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What to pair with my pie?

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    What to pair with my pie?

    New to this forum, and I love it!! Anyway, the Kansas city reptile show is this weekend, and I'm going to be on the hunt for what to pair with my male pie. As he's only 6 weeks old, I obviously have some time to grow him and whatever female I find. Looking for a hatchling probably. As I'm still learning morphs and genetics, I believe I would like to find something that's Het for pie? So I can at least get some pies out of the clutch. Any good pairings I should look to consider? Give me some ideas?? Click image for larger version. 

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Welcome to the boards!

    I like apple pie.

    Ohh sorry... you mean Pied...

    You are going to spend 8x the time growing up a female. No good pairings to consider... only what YOU want... do what YOU want, not what everyone else says for you to do. Yes... something 100% Het Pied would be ideal, depending on your budget of course

    Good luck! Your Pied is really nice!!!
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    What to pair with my pie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coopers Constrictors View Post
    I like apple pie.

    Ohh sorry... you mean Pied...

    You are going to spend 8x the time growing up a female. No good pairings to consider... only what YOU want... do what YOU want, not what everyone else says for you to do. Yes... something 100% Het Pied would be ideal, depending on your budget of course.

    Good luck!
    I have ideas. I have a female spider, but considering a female Mojave het pied. Because I have a beautiful 1800gram male Mojave and if I get a good female I would
    Like to get some blue eyed Lucy's from her too?

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    There is so many possibilities. Do you like high white pieds? Low whites? 50/50s?
    I am personally working toward the enchi pied project with a future goal of super pastel super enchi pied.
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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Also what's your budget?
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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    The possibilities are endless. What ideas did you have in mind?
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    What to pair with my pie?

    Budget has no limit really. I don't understand the enchi thing. High white pies are great. I don't know what I want? What's the YB pie? How can you tell a YB? Still learning, forgive my ignorance.

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Piedpiper View Post
    Budget has no limit really. I don't understand the enchi thing. High white pies are great. I don't know what I want? What's the YB pie? How can you tell a YB? Still learning, forgive my ignorance.
    Let's get cha' on track with the morph itself first...it's called a Pied, not Pie

    Here's a link that will blow your mind with pied combos...check it out!

    Morph List - World of Ball Pythons
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    What to pair with my pie?

    Quote Originally Posted by nickboles View Post
    Let's get cha' on track with the morph itself first...it's called a Pied, not Pie

    Here's a link that will blow your mind with pied combos...check it out!

    Morph List - World of Ball Pythons
    I apologize for not completing the morph name of Pied. I know what it's called . And I have studied that awesome list for days and weeks and months. Possibilities seem endless. Tha is for the input. I have 15 links on my phone full of BP Info and forums. Learning daily as much as possible. This will be our first clutch.

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Some research will help a lot.
    When you say no budget what does that mean?
    If you really have no budget I would not worry about hets.
    The reason I ask about your budget is this example.
    A enchi het PIED female is around $1500. Where as a enchi PIED female is $5500. That is a low white combo
    Spider het PIED female is around $850. Where as a sPIED is around $2000. That is a high white combo.
    Think about the project you like, then think about the best way to get to your ultimate goal.
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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Everyone has given you great advice so far , everyone has their own opinions on what snakes the like and wanna create ..you are the only person who can decide that for yourself ...there are some snakes that are $300 that I find more visualy apealing then some that are $3000 while you may be able to afford anything I suggest getting something that really tickles your fancy bc if it doesnt apeal to YOU the person breeding them then your heart wont be in it and if your heart isnt in it then why do it at all ! If your really not completly sure of what PIED combos u wanna make I would pick up some HETS from a breeder you trust and raise them up by the time you do u may wanna take your project in a diffrent direction and your really not losing that much money , if you do decide to stick with those het projects and they do prove out hopefully you produce a visual female which you can then hold back and breed in a few seasons. But like I said first and foremost pick something YOU love and go for it !

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Seeing as your just learning it would serve you well to focus on Genetics for some time. Especially the Recessive Genes since you going to be working with Pied's and they are in fact Recessive.
    Also make sure you 100% trust the person you are buying from if your going to use Hets. Nothing worse than not getting what you paid for. Best of Luck!!!

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    What to pair with my pie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Damage, Inc. View Post
    Seeing as your just learning it would serve you well to focus on Genetics for some time. Especially the Recessive Genes since you going to be working with Pied's and they are in fact Recessive.
    Also make sure you 100% trust the person you are buying from if your going to use Hets. Nothing worse than not getting what you paid for. Best of Luck!!!

    Solid advice on the trusted breeders.
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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    If theres no budget at all.. look for a coral glow het pied female!

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Out of all seriousness though, do what you like. When i made my first big investment (also a pied freak) i did what i loved at the time.. and still do! Picked up a pastel ghost het pied male X ghost het pied female, as well as a pair of enchi het pieds. I loved the potential of the group and lost sleep over waiting for the end result (still not sleeping.. enchi het pied X enchi het pied clutch hatches in Oct

    Do what YOU want to do, what YOU want to produce.. maybe find some potential eventually to produce something thats never been done before. Always nice to have big goals!
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    What to pair with my pie?

    Just picked up some coconut husk bedding for all my BP. Anxious to see how the humidity does.

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

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    What to pair with my pie?
    I think many would choose ice cream!
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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Besides the Standard Combos, out of which most have been around for a while, it might be worth a thought, to do things, that others avoid. Double Recessive is infact something, a lot of people won't touch. It's more time, and cost involving, you need more patience, and possibly get less "yield". The "But" is, what you do get...

    If you spend some time looking into say the Lighting Pieds, Ultramel Pieds or even the Ghost Pied Projects... you soon come to see animals that not many people breed. Another plus here is: you can enter any of these projects at stages, and cost you can afford.

    Another aspect is... breeding Piebalds, that look different in terms of colour. There's MANY you'll reconginse as babies, or juvenile animals, but once they reach a certain size/weight a lot of them start to fade, and loose colour...
    Anohter aspect is: what's available. Since we've seen the first pictures of Banana/Coral Glow Pieds a few weeks ago: there won't be very many available, since everyone will want to get their hands on het. animals now. Besides: They'll be costing an arm and 2 legs.
    Afer all...as everyone keeps telling you... it comes down to taste.

    And since you asked:
    YellowBelly or Pumpkin Pieds are a VERY clever choice for breeding Pieds, since they'll be stunning, even as a double or tripple Pied Combo maker..., and this is what they look like:

    Just out of the egg:

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    And here's the change of colouration I talked about! This is Oliver, the father of the hatchlings obove.... I still know he's a Pumpkin Pied, but you wouldn't, since he lost a lot, of his Baby-Orange/Pumpkin madness!

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    The best thing you've also been told!!! As a beginner ONLY EVER!!! buy from very trusted breeders. They'll be there for you after you've bought from them, and they'll help, long after the animal is yours....
    For all Hobbits share a love for things that grow...

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    What to pair with my pie?

    Invaluable In formation. Oliver is a beautiful boy. I want to do something unique. That's the beauty of morphs. I am crazy about the pied coloration, and combinations. Uniqueness is important, but not to the point that that's all I wanna do . And since I'm still trying to learn and figure out all the genetics, perhaps I should keep it simple.

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    As someone who started out in the same way I would recommend getting a breedable female in the near future, as it will help to practice all aspects of breeding husbandry - I found it helped me tune things in considerably.
    IMHO if you were to get a nice adult or almost adult morph female now that you are interested in making hets with your Pied male, you could get some serious weight on her and be prepared for his first season.
    In the end, it is a dangerous addiction you have entered into... I bought my ex 1 BP as a pet, and I am now feeding around 80 lol
    Good luck!

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    Lightbulb Re: What to pair with my pie?

    there are also many different types of pieds

    double hets are always cool
    exspecially clown pied ( all time favorite ) there's not a lot out there and im honestly very surprised

    its a judgment call on your part

    great things come with patience
    its really just your call and your money so your going to do what you like regardless of what anyone says here
    just go with something that really get you excited and something you want to see produced by you

    theres nothing like looking and anticipating a clutch that you are really hoping for and all of a sudden you make one

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    out of the blue....!

    No, it's not working like this. First comes the know-how, after that the considerations, after that the questions, after these sleepless nights and doubts, and after that, the insight that more insight is needed.

    I must admit, in my own case I didn't expext the Banana Pieds working out, like they seem to do, but if the pictures of that very first clutch are anything to go by (which I don't really know, or quite believe yet, since they're so bad!!!)... it's worth getting into the Banana Pieds, without any doubt. Given that these specific pictures of that first owner are so bad, I'll wait for someone with decent pictures, but if Banana Pieds (and ultimately the Super Banana Pied) really are what I guess they look like.... that's the way to go. What more could anyone ask for? Co-Dom X Ressesive, Bananas (back) in your frist clutch...., backhold them, sell of the rest, raise them, breed them.... for Pieds, Bananas, Superbananas, and that unthinkable!!!

    Mind: If you started out....with a Combo Pied x Banana....the story gets too wild, to even consider.
    For all Hobbits share a love for things that grow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hobbit View Post
    out of the blue....!

    No, it's not working like this. First comes the know-how, after that the considerations, after that the questions, after these sleepless nights and doubts, and after that, the insight that more insight is needed.

    I must admit, in my own case I didn't expext the Banana Pieds working out, like they seem to do, but if the pictures of that very first clutch are anything to go by (which I don't really know, or quite believe yet, since they're so bad!!!)... it's worth getting into the Banana Pieds, without any doubt. Given that these specific pictures of that first owner are so bad, I'll wait for someone with decent pictures, but if Banana Pieds (and ultimately the Super Banana Pied) really are what I guess they look like.... that's the way to go. What more could anyone ask for? Co-Dom X Ressesive, Bananas (back) in your frist clutch...., backhold them, sell of the rest, raise them, breed them.... for Pieds, Bananas, Superbananas, and that unthinkable!!!

    Mind: If you started out....with a Combo Pied x Banana....the story gets too wild, to even consider.
    Combo pied? Fill me in here.

    To answer a post above, I started with a normal female hatchling. About 9 months ago....... I now have an adult (rescue female normal) with unknown genetic line (6 years of age) who pounds anything you give her now. An adult male Mojave (3 years of age). An adult male pastel %100 Het ghost. (So the breeder told me) A 3 month old spider female who is a total pig!! Beautiful color ( got her at 1 month old 100grams) she's now at 300 grams. She went from pounding 5 rat pinkys to a wein rat last month. I decided that was too much for her and picked up 100 rat pups. And last but definately not least our 2 month old (now) male pied. Who hadn't eaten in 3 weeks, wasn't interested at all. So I did my homework and learned to assist feed him. Saturday the 21st of September he took down his first mice fuzzy under my roof. On Wednesday Sep 25th I'm going to attempt to give him a rat pinky. I want all my snakes on rats. But the smaller mouse fuzzy seemed a more logical choice. He was at 75 grams when we got him and was at 70 grams when I made the decision to assist feed him.

    So in conclusion I have indeed started a habit that I see no quick relief from... I'm hooked!!

    Keep the great advice coming. I'm going to go check out pics of a banana? Not familiar with that morph. Nor have I seen one at my local reptile expos.

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    Ok just seen the banana!!! Beautiful. The banana clown is also very appealing as well. That's a great combo there.

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Mojave Pieds are nice, here's a couple I recently hatched and they're one of the few combos that actually get better looking as they mature.





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    So if I pair a pie with a spider, I have to breed back one of the offspring to my pied again to possibly get a pied spider? Am I correct in this assumption?

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Piedpiper View Post
    So if I pair a pie with a spider, I have to breed back one of the offspring to my pied again to possibly get a pied spider? Am I correct in this assumption?
    That is correct unless the Spider is a het Pied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpents_Den View Post
    That is correct unless the Spider is a het Pied.
    They did not inform me of any het genetics , so who knows

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    Re: What to pair with my pie?

    Quote Originally Posted by Piedpiper View Post
    They did not inform me of any het genetics , so who knows
    Than it's likely a normal non het. Spiders tend to lose the white sides when being het like this girl.


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