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This is a discussion on Mites mites mites!!!! within the Ball Python Morphs forums, part of the Ball Python Forum category; hoooooooooooo boyyyyyyyyyy spent all last weekend cleaning tubs and bathing snakes ...............spraying etc..................and they are back i need to buy ...

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    Mites mites mites!!!!

    hoooooooooooo boyyyyyyyyyy spent all last weekend cleaning tubs and bathing snakes ...............spraying etc..................and they are back i need to buy some PAM ASAP.................pet kingdom is $40 a can outragous........Tim how much does Ken sell his for if he has any ..........guess i have to pay the price for a emergency!!!!!!!!!!

    online is $14

    guess im going to suck it up and buy a can tomorrow and order a can for the future!

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    Not sure if you have a Wal Mart near you but the Equate brand Bedding spray has the same ingredients and works wonderfully.
    It's usually around $5 or $6.
    I've used it when I had an out break years ago and a couple times a year I do preventitive so I never have to go through the headache again.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damian667 View Post
    Not sure if you have a Wal Mart near you but the Equate brand Bedding spray has the same ingredients and works wonderfully.
    It's usually around $5 or $6.
    I've used it when I had an out break years ago and a couple times a year I do preventitive so I never have to go through the headache again.

    Good luck.
    Hey Mike, is that bedding spray? I thought it was like a spray for head lice?
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    It is for head lice-- the bedding spray is used for mattresses or your car--- things you can't fit in a washing machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damian667 View Post
    Not sure if you have a Wal Mart near you but the Equate brand Bedding spray has the same ingredients and works wonderfully.
    It's usually around $5 or $6.
    I've used it when I had an out break years ago and a couple times a year I do preventitive so I never have to go through the headache again.

    Good luck.
    this is great info for the non-millionaires on here !
    thanx for sharing bro, it's what our forum is all about.
    forty bucks a can seems like a substantial beating, hope phunky saw this in time.
    good luck phunky,
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    Not sure if this helps. I picked up the Aerosol version last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damian667 View Post
    Not sure if you have a Wal Mart near you but the Equate brand Bedding spray has the same ingredients and works wonderfully.
    It's usually around $5 or $6.
    I've used it when I had an out break years ago and a couple times a year I do preventitive so I never have to go through the headache again.

    Good luck.
    Just a word of caution, while the dilution factor of permethrin in both PAM and Equate are the same, they ARE NOT the same product. The inactive chemicals are not the same. The manufacturing process is not the same, nor are the chemical reactions created while mfg of this chemical compound the same. While the other ingredients are classed as inactive, this doesn't mean it is or is not safe for use w/ reptiles.

    I can understand trying to save a buck here or there, but with the time, energy and passion I have for my collection - I am just not willing to take a chance and play chemistry lab with harsh chemicals not intended for use w/ reptiles.

    PAM is to easy to get to be experimenting, esp when animals lives are stake.

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    The Bean Farm -- Black Knight -- $24/can -- works best -- lasts forever -- spray everything -- no need to skinch on the health of your animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Just a word of caution, while the dilution factor of permethrin in both PAM and Equate are the same, they ARE NOT the same product. The inactive chemicals are not the same. The manufacturing process is not the same, nor are the chemical reactions created while mfg of this chemical compound the same. While the other ingredients are classed as inactive, this doesn't mean it is or is not safe for use w/ reptiles.

    I can understand trying to save a buck here or there, but with the time, energy and passion I have for my collection - I am just not willing to take a chance and play chemistry lab with harsh chemicals not intended for use w/ reptiles.

    PAM is to easy to get to be experimenting, esp when animals lives are stake.
    I thought the ingredients were identical on both products? I've never used the Equate and only use PAM as a preventative in Quarantine. But I've seen threads about this stuff in the past and was told the ingredients on the side of the can are identical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Bill & Amy View Post
    I thought the ingredients were identical on both products? I've never used the Equate and only use PAM as a preventative in Quarantine. But I've seen threads about this stuff in the past and was told the ingredients on the side of the can are identical.
    The listed ingredients are the same, but with items like PAM and Equate, they don't have to list all of the ingredients (and don't). The inactive ingredients aren't listed - and they make up approx 95% of the compounds. This is were the difference is, and the unknown is a bit scary sometimes.

    I am not saying equate won't do the trick, just that it is not the same thing, nor is it intended for use w/ reptiles. With that in mind, I am not going to risk it.

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    Yeah, when I got my first ball she was Loooooooooooaded with mites. I was an idiot and just went to petsmart and got the mite treatment stuff. Doesn't work for jack. So I went to NERD and picked up a can of BKII and that stuff works freakin AWESOME! Can't really compare it to anything else but i know for sure that it works and they never came back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Just a word of caution, while the dilution factor of permethrin in both PAM and Equate are the same, they ARE NOT the same product. The inactive chemicals are not the same. The manufacturing process is not the same, nor are the chemical reactions created while mfg of this chemical compound the same. While the other ingredients are classed as inactive, this doesn't mean it is or is not safe for use w/ reptiles.

    I can understand trying to save a buck here or there, but with the time, energy and passion I have for my collection - I am just not willing to take a chance and play chemistry lab with harsh chemicals not intended for use w/ reptiles.

    PAM is to easy to get to be experimenting, esp when animals lives are stake.
    Well, I guess I'm confused. Do you know if the manufacturing processes and chemicals are the different? Do we know for a fact the the "inactive" ingredients are different? If so, do you have a link to that info?
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    lowes sells a no pest strip you hang on the outside of the cages/racks. i have several friends that have used them and swear by them now. doesnt seem to harm the snakes at all, and kills all mites within a day or 2. they leaving them hanging for about a week though to make sure any eggs layed gets hatched and dies also.
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    I would rather support Bob for creating such a great product designed FOR us.. PAM is the way to go. id easily spend 40 bucks on a can of PAM even if walmart had something similar for $4. Its all about supporting the entire herp community imo.
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    I won't get into the evils of walmart...LOL

    In the bedding spray it is the same stuff that they used/still do use in the spray you used to use on nylon tents...that is what I used before the bedding spray was readily available...not good stuff by any means and I don't know crap about the chemical compounds.

    Then I ran across the PAM and BKII, I am a huge fan of BKII...I use it on me, my animals that I take to shows and the table cloth...expensive but I have basically fogged snakes with it to no harm...granted certain species you have to be careful with no matter what like hoggies but for the less sensitive ones I will not use anything else.

    Saving money is cool but I won't risk it over a few dollars personally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Bill & Amy View Post
    Well, I guess I'm confused. Do you know if the manufacturing processes and chemicals are the different? Do we know for a fact the the "inactive" ingredients are different? If so, do you have a link to that info?
    Yes, we know for fact the inactive ingredients are different.

    Do we know what the differences are? or how much they vary? No.. we don't. Both companies have protected their "recipes" and they are not available.

    How do we know they are different?

    Simple, both products carry a patent. The patents are different. Both companies have a proven track record of defending their products w/ great ferocity. If it was the same, you can be assured, there would have been a battle in the court rooms and one or the other would be off the market.

    Are they similar? Who knows... the two things we know for a fact is (1) that they are different (in chemical comp and/or mfg process), atleast enough that they are allowed to produce the product w/ the current patent laws and (2) we know the active ingedient (0.5% of the total composition - I mistakenly said inactive was 95% below, should be 99.5%) is the same.

    Again, it is the unknown that worries me... and that 99.5% is a lot of unknown.

    I would certainly prefer to err on the side of safety with this.

    One last thing... ProProducts / Bob has a complete line of products for the herp world, Equate is big business creating products for the masses (and undercutting prices of their competition)... hmmm... I thought the bush league was in favor of supporting those that support the herp world... just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Yes, we know for fact the inactive ingredients are different.

    Do we know what the differences are? or how much they vary? No.. we don't. Both companies have protected their "recipes" and they are not available.

    How do we know they are different?

    Simple, both products carry a patent. The patents are different. Both companies have a proven track record of defending their products w/ great ferocity. If it was the same, you can be assured, there would have been a battle in the court rooms and one or the other would be off the market.

    Are they similar? Who knows... the two things we know for a fact is (1) that they are different (in chemical comp and/or mfg process), atleast enough that they are allowed to produce the product w/ the current patent laws and (2) we know the active ingedient (0.5% of the total composition - I mistakenly said inactive was 95% below, should be 99.5%) is the same.

    Again, it is the unknown that worries me... and that 99.5% is a lot of unknown.

    I would certainly prefer to err on the side of safety with this.

    One last thing... ProProducts / Bob has a complete line of products for the herp world, Equate is big business creating products for the masses... hmmm... I thought the bush league was in favor of supporting those that support the herp world... just saying.
    I was just asking, you act as if you had some inside knowledge about the production. I thought maybe you had some real information to share. I never said by Equate and don't by PAM. So don't get your panties in a bunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Bill & Amy View Post
    So don't get your panties in a bunch.
    Now there's a phrase I haven't seen in a very long time
    "My head is like a bad neighbourhood and I shouldn't go in there alone."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    One last thing... ProProducts / Bob has a complete line of products for the herp world, Equate is big business creating products for the masses (and undercutting prices of their competition)... hmmm... I thought the bush league was in favor of supporting those that support the herp world... just saying.
    The BLBC is also about not being a jerk to other members... unless they deserve it. Chill with the condescending attitude bro..... Bill is only discussing the issue here.
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    i thank everyone for their input and help ........i support the herp community 100% and look to save money here and there.......so i may spend more on the other things i need .....so i started building racks and breeding mice.......i also support our local pet stores...but $40 a can seems like rape if its $14 plus shipping online....but im willing to pay for the sake and saftey of my animals since so far i spent close to $4,000 this year on animals and supplies and material..........

    I did forget to pick up a can on the way home from work........the honey do list is long LOL........im heading out now for it..........that petco stuff only works for mites and not eggs.........so scratch that.............clorox solution diluted didnt even kill the eggs..................wish me luck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Bill & Amy View Post
    I was just asking, you act as if you had some inside knowledge about the production. I thought maybe you had some real information to share. I never said by Equate and don't by PAM. So don't get your panties in a bunch.
    My panties aren't in a bunch, sorry if you took it that way.

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    hey Tim ...........i didnt know you wear panties...? just kidding trying to lighten the mood here..............hows everything going with you and the wife?i been real sick with all the smoke from california ..................the wifes been helping alot........her birthday is comming up next week...........so i guess we going shopping LOL


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