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So, my ball python killed itself.

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    So, my ball python killed itself.

    Okay,

    Last few nights i have heard thudding coming from one of my snake tubs... Every time i'd look, my Mojo male would just strike at me.. Cause he's vicious.
    My brother complained to me about the thudding the other day... but nothing was weird... i couldnt figure it out... Till i saw it as it happened.

    Last night Uri (my male mojo) attacked himself. Straight up brawl... but without an opponent. He bit himself - fairly close to the back of his head, probably like an inch and a half back cause he's so small... Well, he bit himself, then twisted around himself and started constricting. I felt him constricting himself. It was really odd... well i got him to let go.... but when i put him back in his tub, he did it again... i got his jaw off again, and left him, cause i knew if i tried unwrapping him i would probably just hurt him. So yeah.

    This morning, he was untangled, feisty as ever....
    I went to class, and when i came back, he was dead.

    Dead in the act of biting himself...

    Does anyone know what caused this? Temps were good, he was well hydrated, he ate like a little monster. I just cant figure it out...

    Any thoughts would help, and im willing to answer any questions... cause i wanna know why this happened. It is so bizarre.

    Thanks!!
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    Wow, so sorry to hear this. I have had snakes bite themselves, but only during feeding. Maybe he had the scent of the last meal on him that was causing this reaction, but this is the first I have heard of repeated biting and to this extreme.
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    Its bizarre. I cant figure it out...

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    I've read about this happening before - so hopefully someone has an answer!
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    Sometimes you find dead snakes that have their jaws locked on themselves. I think it may not necessarily be killing itself but it could be a reflexive action or possibly a response to agony.

    Dan

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    Was it a recent acquisition? Did you quarantine it if so?

    I am more being paranoid than anything but there are some illnesses that alter behavior (think rabies). There are also some parasites that incite this same type of behavior. So you may want to take it to a vet and get an autopsy, with a specific emphasis on the brain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan W View Post
    Sometimes you find dead snakes that have their jaws locked on themselves. I think it may not necessarily be killing itself but it could be a reflexive action or possibly a response to agony.

    Dan

    yep- ive seen this too in a pet shop near by. it was a gaboonviper which was a wc animal. he said that that happened a lot with wc venomous snakes.

    the snake bite himself and i thought it poisoned himself (lol- ok i was 16 and had no clue).

    according to him its a reflex from cramps.



    but this is something different i guess. the fact that u saw him constricting himself is really weird.


    could this be IBD (just a random thought- never seen a python with ibd before)?


    i heard that lampropeltis eat them selfs sometimes- maybe this is something similar.


    i would definitely make an autopsy (it doesn't cost that much- ok at least here in germany) to figure out what was going on.

    thats really weird and tbh i just heard that the first time now
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    i just searched the web a bit. i found some threads in a german herpetology forum.


    in both threads the snake were send to the vet and he determined a hormonal disorder.

    according to the threads the snakes dont get it that the part of them belongs to them and they think its an intruder- so they try to kill it.

    because they bite them self they feel the pain and think the intruder fends- so they try to kill it even harder.




    i have no clue if this is true or not. it were different threads at different times with different snakes (first a lampropeltis getula and then a python regius).


    one thing is in both cases different than yours. the one snake bite itself in the middle of the body (and there was blood from a prey item it ate before).

    in the other case was no food involved and this one bite itself in the tail- not behind its neck.



    maybe this helps a bit.

    i still would go to a good vet (reptile vet) and make an autopsy...
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    Our male cinnamon recently was exhibiting signs like this. He died shortly after, but it turned out to be liver failure that caused it. I'm not sure if he was biting himself out of pain or if he had just gone insane. He was also striking the sides of his tub.

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    dang horrid
    I hope you can get a necropsy done .

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