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This is a discussion on Does anyone have any brains anymore? within the Ball Python Morphs forums, part of the Ball Python Forum category; I've been talking with people in the ball world about pricing and morphs. I think it's ridiculous that a friend ...

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    Does anyone have any brains anymore?

    I've been talking with people in the ball world about pricing and morphs. I think it's ridiculous that a friend of mine who knows nothing at all about the ball market can tell me that from what I tell him nobody has any long term goals in mind. He's right. The majority of breeders in the ball market only think about what they can get 'today' for a morph and not what they can make on it over years time. I see people panic all of the time and dump animals just to get some cash. Here's an example of how things should pan out. I can place an ad for a baby male GHI at $10,000.00 (yes they still sell for $10,000.00). If he doesn't sell right away...I don't panic and drop the price to $7,500.00. I wait, I feed him up, and when he's 350 grams he's offered again and will eventually sell for the $10,000.00. Now...in two to three months time I saved $2,500.00 by not dumping the price and the market is stable...and people don't panic. Prices will eventually come down and even my non ball python buddy knows this. Because of good planning, not panicking, not caving to rumors of $2,500.00 male GHIs for sale and $5,000.00 combo male GHIs for sale, and all around a good head on my shoulders, the GHI ball is the most stable morph in the industry...and they've been available since 2009!

    Why can't breeders not be so desperate to make a quick buck and keep the market elevated? There are of course the people who call me and say, "why are you selling proven breeder male GHIs on Kingsnake for $10,000.00?". I simply send a link to my ad with one for sale at $17,500.00 and get a response like, "oh man...that's not what so and so told me". You know...if people with nothing better to do would stop flapping their gums and stirring the pot it would be all rosy. Grow up, make smart decisions, don't start rumors, have fun, and make a nice living. Don't do those things and bagging groceries, writing parking tickets, and selling cars again is just around the corner.

    How's that?


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    Theirs quite a few with long term plans, I'm looking years ahead on some of mine..not the norm I know but each to their own

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    Because you managed the project ridiculously well Matt..

    Hats off to you.. Thank you for proving that co dom morphs when managed properly can be an awesome investment for people and proving when a project is managed well longevity goes hand in hand

    It also helps that the GHI is a sick sick morph

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    I agree. Unfortunately this can be a volatile market when folks do not keep their heads on straight. I also submit that some of issues with folks keeping some projects at higher prices through misinformation has burned a bridge or two for the folks trying to properly manage a project. It makes one very leery to invest a lot of money, especially in a inc dom project.

    I think the GHI is a great example of proper management.

    Also, DANG that snake is beyond hot.
    Dave Jenkins

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    I agree with you, Matt and I give you props for working to protect the GHI project-it's outstanding!
    Every year we see something nearly driven into the ground by a rush to sell quickly. You nailed it when you mentioned the reoccurring price drop that takes place online. When it's out in the public like that, for everyone to see, it creates a ripple effect and some people start to panic...thinking that they too need to drop the price each week until they find a buyer willing to snatch up their deal that has inevitably been reduced to a small fraction of it's original price.
    It's pretty easy to understand how the allure of immediate money in one's pocket can cloud their better judgement, but those of us who want to protect these projects, probably need to do a better job of communicating the long-term investment value of what we're offering.
    I don't like to see prices drop, but it's understandable that there will be shifts as more animals become available. If we all panic then we might as well through in the towel, because that's when things get real ugly, but, if we see these fluctuations as opportunities to open up the market to new investors, then we can continue to enjoy these projects for years and the sustained success they bring. I want my friends and customers to do well, so I put it upon myself to keep lines of communication open (those from whom I buy or sell to), price my animals competitively and keep projects exciting by taking them in different directions. I can't control what others do, but I am encourage by how often I meet people who are just getting into ball pythons or investing in certain projects for the first time and they are wide-eyed with enthusiasm about the possibilities that are ahead. I say this because these individuals are proof that there's no shortage of opportunity...we just need to be reminded sometimes of how awesome this industry is and how great we have it.
    I appreciate you starting this conversation, Matt, and I look forward to the years and new projects we have ahead.
    John

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    I agree with you Matt, but you have to take something into consideration. The economy is in bad shape, because of this from time to time people run in to financial obstacles that require them to seek a quick buck to survive. Not everyone out there is in your position where you (being smart AND lucky) made killer money on a new project and can wait through those financial bumps without having to make any choices that may negatively affect a market. When it's all said and done, the animals belong to these people and they are entitled to do with them what they please. we can only hope people are smart like you were and lucky enough not to run into problems along the way.

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    Does anyone have any brains anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by SOCOReptiles View Post
    I agree with you Matt, but you have to take something into consideration. The economy is in bad shape, because of this from time to time people run in to financial obstacles that require them to seek a quick buck to survive. Not everyone out there is in your position where you (being smart AND lucky) made killer money on a new project and can wait through those financial bumps without having to make any choices that may negatively affect a market. When it's all said and done, the animals belong to these people and they are entitled to do with them what they please. we can only hope people are smart like you were and lucky enough not to run into problems along the way.
    In these situations if your smart and have the cash you can buy into a project and snatch it up before the market has been effected.

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    I guess you gotta sell the offspring to someone who won't panic as well.

    But alas.............

    Sometimes I wish I had the cash to purchase at someone's panic price
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    Quote Originally Posted by HerpVenue View Post
    I guess you gotta sell the offspring to someone who won't panic as well.

    But alas.............

    Sometimes I wish I had the cash to purchase at someone's panic price
    I missed out on one such opportunity, and did not miss the second one!!

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    As far as ur rant, I see ur point but i will never pay 10,000 for a single snake unless were talking yen. As with all snakes, including your GHI's the price will come down. I know there are those breeders who rely solely on the income of their snakes, and the fact they can do that is awesome but i dont feel like bitching about selling snakes for cheaper is any better than the joe schmoe down the road offering u 5k for a snake u have priced at 10k. If u dont like his offer, dont sell it. I feel like the term "gold fever" should apply to this hobby but maybe ill have to come up with a different name like "Brown Ball Fever" where everyone just gets crazy all the time for all sorts of retarded stuff. I think u sir just need some medicine for ur Brown Ball Fever and maybe get some yoga classes lol

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