Spin this with all your wisdom on how great Socialism is...LOL...:rolleyes:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/08/01/abc-s-stossel-slams-socialized-medicine-finds-obama-expressed-interes

Insightful article. :yessir:

Wow if that doesn't open your eyes I don't know what will.

Someone please explain to me how the **** this sorry ass goverment is gonna run a universal healthcare system when it's predicted that Medicaid will be bankrupt by 2017? Hell - Look at the services they provide our finest in uniform in the VA - It's down right shameful...Watch - This shit will come to a head...

Anybody catch the town hall meeting with Spector? LOL...Awesome stuff and it's only Aug. 3rd...

Working in the healthcare field this shit is scary

Considering that these morons can't run a simple cash for clunkers program, I doubt they can handle healthcare. At the same time, my mom is a school teacher and just found out that her health insurance that includes her, my dad, and my little sister, is going up almost $200 a month. On a teachers salary she is going to be paying $880 a month for healthcare and at my parents age it is not something they can do without.

There has to be some sort of middle ground here, because the middle class is gettin' so streched that people are already snapping and it will only get worse. There is a rage building and a dissatifaction with government that is being more openly discussed than at any other recent time. Hopefully this rage can be channeled into something productive, however given the average sheeples knowledge of how we got here I think general chaos is more likely.

Just my 2 cents on the matter!:dunno:

Senator Spector gets owned at 1:45
YouTube - Crowd Explodes When Arlen Specter Urges That We "Do This Fast"

ANGER IS A GIFT ~ Rage Against the Machine

Austin, TX lettin' their Rep Lloyd Doggett feel some Texas heat over healthcare!:rebel:
YouTube - Lloyd Doggett's meeting on Obamacare in south Austin, TX, 1 Aug 2009

New Yorkers feeling the anger too!
YouTube - TIM BISHOP PROTEST, SETAUKET, NY (part one)

Brian,

It does seem like this universal health care thing is not going to work out all that well. In fact, the waiting lists in the Netherlands are quite long too, but they are working (with success) on making these waiting lists a lot shorter.

No health care system is without flaw. Some are more than others. We're just gonna have to wait and see what happens in the United States.

Later, Matt

Socialism is a great way to run things... on paper.
When you add reality and humans into the equation, it breaks down completely. It doesn't work in real life, unfortunately. That's why 95% of communes(true communes) end up folding after a certain number of years. No matter how ideal the people are in the beginning, it just doesn't end up working in real life with people.

Varying degrees of socialism can and do work. Sometimes I get the feeling some of you think I'm a communist. LOL

Later, Matt

Varying degrees of socialism can and do work. Sometimes I get the feeling some of you think I'm a communist. LOL

Later, Matt

Well I can't say it hasn't crossed my mind for some reason :dunno: You do support it more then anyone I know here :cheers:

Well I can't say it hasn't crossed my mind for some reason :dunno: You do support it more then anyone I know here :cheers:

Well, that's incorrect.

Socialism - or the degree of it that I support - is in between capitalism and communism. Where did I ever support communism?

Later, Matt

Socialism is a great way to run things... on paper.
When you add reality and humans into the equation, it breaks down completely. It doesn't work in real life, unfortunately. That's why 95% of communes(true communes) end up folding after a certain number of years. No matter how ideal the people are in the beginning, it just doesn't end up working in real life with people.

...:yessir:

Brian,

It does seem like this universal health care thing is not going to work out all that well. In fact, the waiting lists in the Netherlands are quite long too, but they are working (with success) on making these waiting lists a lot shorter.

No health care system is without flaw. Some are more than others. We're just gonna have to wait and see what happens in the United States.

Later, Matt

Universal Healthcare is a joke...What's so hard for you to understand about that? You enjoy waiting in line for care? Why are people coming here for care? Why does America have the best healthcare in the world? Why are people in Canada pulling their own teeth? Using super glue to hold them together? Lines a lot shorter huh? LOL...You keep your lines - That shit isn't wanted here in the US - Open your eyes...

Universal Healthcare is a joke...What's so hard for you to understand about that? You enjoy waiting in line for care? Why are people coming here for care? Why does America have the best healthcare in the world? Why are people in Canada pulling their own teeth? Using super glue to hold them together? Lines a lot shorter huh? LOL...You keep your lines - That shit isn't wanted here in the US - Open your eyes...

It's hard for me to understand because it can and does work in places.

There ARE lines here - lines in the clinics for the uninsured. Whether these people are uninsured out of laziness, getting fired from their jobs, not making enough money to support a family, you name it, but they're uninsured. Do these people deserve to wait in line and have their condition get worse, maybe even die?

Maybe they do, according to you, but not to me.

I'm not saying I want Canada's or Britain's health care system in the US. It's clearly a system that doesn't work out, but don't go believing this shit never happens in the US.

My eyes are wide open.

Later, Matt

It's hard for me to understand because it can and does work in places.

There ARE lines here - lines in the clinics for the uninsured. Whether these people are uninsured out of laziness, getting fired from their jobs, not making enough money to support a family, you name it, but they're uninsured. Do these people deserve to wait in line and have their condition get worse, maybe even die?

Maybe they do, according to you, but not to me.

I'm not saying I want Canada's or Britain's health care system in the US. It's clearly a system that doesn't work out, but don't go believing this shit never happens in the US.

My eyes are wide open.

Later, Matt

Names these places...

The lines here are nothing compared to the months of waiting in a Socialized system...Once again - Why does everybody want to come to the US...They sure the hell ain't beating down the Netherlands doors to get in...LOL...Well maybe the ****** are to get married...LOL

Names these places...

The lines here are nothing compared to the months of waiting in a Socialized system...Once again - Why does everybody want to come to the US...They sure the hell ain't beating down the Netherlands doors to get in...LOL...Well maybe the ****** are to get married...LOL

The United States is far from the best nation as far as health care goes. Yes, you have the best doctors, equipment, etc, but your system still remains inferior.

Ever wonder why the average life expectancy is like, 40th-something in the world?

Later, Matt

The United States is far from the best nation as far as health care goes. Yes, you have the best doctors, equipment, etc, but your system still remains inferior.

Ever wonder why the average life expectancy is like, 40th-something in the world?

Later, Matt

'Inferior system' but the rest of the world has a 40 something life expectancy....something isn't adding up in that entire quote man. The system can't be as flawed as you are claiming if we have double the worlds life expectancy.

'Inferior system' but the rest of the world has a 40 something life expectancy....something isn't adding up in that entire quote man. The system can't be as flawed as you are claiming if we have double the worlds life expectancy.

I see you have gone up to #30.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Many western countries have higher life expectancy than the US....

Later, Matt

I see you have gone up to #30.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Many western countries have higher life expectancy than the US....

Later, Matt

Not saying that there are not better life expectancy numbers elsewhere in the world I was however calling your logic for calling our system inferior flawed.

I see you have gone up to #30.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Many western countries have higher life expectancy than the US....

Later, Matt

Life expectancy doesn't always relate to the quality of health care. In many cases there are cultural differences that contribute as well. As a general rule Americans live a fast paced aggressive lifestyle compared with many of the countries on the top of that list. As Americans we eat more fast food, drive faster, take more risks, and live with more violence than the average developed nations. We have more freedom to take risks and that renegade spirit is something unique among industrialized nations.:rebel:

There are flaws in our health care system, but to use life expectancy as a barometer leaves out to many variables that are unique to American culture.

Apart from the fast food, do you have any more variables? I doubt Americans drive faster and take more risks than other nations...

Later, Matt

Life expectancy doesn't always relate to the quality of health care. In many cases there are cultural differences that contribute as well. As a general rule Americans live a fast paced aggressive lifestyle compared with many of the countries on the top of that list. As Americans we eat more fast food, drive faster, take more risks, and live with more violence than the average developed nations. We have more freedom to take risks and that renegade spirit is something unique among industrialized nations.:rebel:

There are flaws in our health care system, but to use life expectancy as a barometer leaves out to many variables that are unique to American culture.

That's what I was getting at but having issues with stringing the correct sequence of words together....:lmao:

Life expectancy doesn't always relate to the quality of health care. In many cases there are cultural differences that contribute as well. As a general rule Americans live a fast paced aggressive lifestyle compared with many of the countries on the top of that list. As Americans we eat more fast food, drive faster, take more risks, and live with more violence than the average developed nations. We have more freedom to take risks and that renegade spirit is something unique among industrialized nations.:rebel:

There are flaws in our health care system, but to use life expectancy as a barometer leaves out to many variables that are unique to American culture.

Very well stated.

That's what I was getting at but having issues with stringing the correct sequence of words together....:lmao:

I've got your back bro.........HAHA!:lmao:

It's useless arguing with a 15 year old...I should have learned my lesson...I'll take our "expensive" and "flawed" system over any other countries plan all day long...At least I'm not waiting months to see a doc...Using super glue to keep my teeth together...LOL...

Dutch - You still haven't answered my question...Name these countries where Socialism is working...

Tell me how the US goverment is going to run a universal plan when Medicaid is broke...Medicare is busted...The VA is a shameful joke...Please share more of your vast knowledge...

Expalin to me why more people want to come and live in the US than any other country in the world...It sure ain't for the Socialism...

Maybe you missed this one Dutch -

The Definition of Socialism

[1] Socialism, like libertarianism, is an exceedingly vague ideology. The definition of socialism is founded on two fundamental maxims: Thomas Jefferson's, "All men are created equal," and Karl Marx's "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."1 Problematically, socialists offer few practical details about how these two principles are to be realized.

[2] Just as libertarians see the world through the lens of the individual, socialists see the world through the lens of society. Whereas for the libertarian, the genius of Mozart can be explained in terms of individual talent and hard work, for the socialist, Mozart must be considered within a social context, such as the environment in which he was raised and the historical and social forces surrounding him.

[3] This societal lens will already be familiar to students in the humanities and social sciences; socialism is the ideology of the intellectual class, which takes Jefferson's maxim quite literally and has resolved to scientifically explain any and every instance of inequality. A "liberal education" is now largely a sociological education, and sociology, as Isaiah Berlin points out, is the invention of Marx.2

[4] This brings us to the Marxian maxim at the heart of the definition of socialism, the famous, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Both capitalism and communism, despite the latter's claims to the contrary, address only half of this problem.

[5] Capitalism grants the individual the freedom to achieve the first part of Marx's dream, that is, the "from each according to his ability." It does not fully address the problem of "to each according to his needs," however, because it presumes the individual is capable of using his abilities to fulfill his needs. A liberal economy is a mixed economy which marries the efficiencies of free markets with a modest redistribution of wealth to provide for those who cannot provide for themselves.

[6] Communism, on the other hand, is far more concerned with unmet needs than realized abilities, for the communist is well aware that the freedom to make the most of one's abilities inevitably produces unequal results. By using state coercion to fulfill unmet needs, communism severely restricts individual freedoms, thereby diminishing both the means and incentive to make the most of one's talents.

[7] The definition of socialism, while seemingly a compromise between the twin extremes of capitalism and communism, is far closer to communism than it is to capitalism. Socialism is perhaps best described as Marxism in the conceptual phase. While socialists recoil from the totalitarian reality of communism, they are nevertheless convinced that everyone's needs can be met and everyone's potential fulfilled without the restriction of freedom.

[8] Marx considered this kind of thinking "utopian." In the Manifesto, Marx complains of socialists who "want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom."3 Essentially, socialists want to live in a Marxian society without a dictatorship of the proletariat.

[9] The definition of socialism, then, may be said to be a formal economic system in which society exerts considerable control over the nation's wealth and property in the pursuit of social justice. "Considerable control" may or may not entail public ownership, while "social justice" usually depends upon the whims of a bureaucratic elite. Generally speaking, a market-based economy is antithetical to socialist principles, and some form of benevolent planning is advocated.

[10] Of course, such a definition of socialism is exceedingly vague, but the pursuit of "fairness"—the ultimate goal of socialism—is necessarily vague, given that each of humanity's several billion individuals has a unique view of what "fairness" entails.

[11] And it is precisely in this lack of specificity that the danger of socialism consists.

The Tyranny of the Many Over the Few

[12] Although socialism is often defined by socialists as "real democracy," it is in fact mobocracy, or the tyranny of the many over the few. To see why, let us consider an example.

[13] Imagine that you are factory owner manufacturing cars. Under communism, your factory would be confiscated by the dictatorship of the proletariat and its production managed by a centralized bureaucracy. The difference between a communist and a socialist, however, is that the socialist does everything in half-measures. Under socialism, you may well be allowed to keep your factory on the conditions that you do not earn an "excessive" profit and that you provide well-paying, spiritually-fulfilling jobs to your employees, allowing each of them a vote in all of your decisions.

[14] Recall that "fairness" is crucial to the definition of socialism and note that this term is defined through a societal lens. From a socialist perspective, it is unfair that you own the factory in the first place and your authority over your employees is seen as "exploitation," regardless of how well you pay them or how kindly you treat them. Socialists are only willing to allow you to maintain ownership because they balk at the prospects of workers mortgaging their homes for working capital or a dictatorship of the proletariat assuming direct control of the factory.

[15] Imagine that you decide to manufacture a new type of car. To do so, you will have to get the approval of your employees, who have little incentive to give you their permission without receiving anything in return. Additionally, you will have to get the approval of "societal stakeholders," such as the people who live in the same city as your factory who feel that more car production may increase air pollution and decrease their quality of life. Finally, you will have to incorporate into your designs the "helpful suggestions" of government bureaucrats, who exist to promote the social good.

[16] Of course, if the car is manufactured and no one buys it, you will personally absorb all losses. Nor will you reap any substantial reward from its success. You are essentially expected to produce wealth for everyone's benefit except your own, and far from receiving any thanks, to endure abuse and scorn in return. Would you manufacture cars under these conditions?

[17] Not many people would, and therein lies the problem with the definition of socialism; it provides no incentive for production, and it sacrifices individual economic freedoms for a vaguely defined "social good." Economic freedom is little loved by most people when corporate interests are concerned, but the same restrictions imposed on wealthy factory owners affect the single mother running a small catering business out of her kitchen.

Socialism and Bureaucracy

[18] The definition of socialism necessarily implies a large government bureaucracy because it is simply impractical to hold a national referendum every time a business decision must be made. As such, government bureaucrats must be appointed to represent the "social good" by approving or disapproving business initiatives.

[19] Ironically, a tyranny of the many over the few is virtually identical to a tyranny of the few over the many, in so far as power becomes concentrated in the hands of an elite group of unelected officials.

[20] Like libertarianism, socialism produces a transitory tyranny. Eventually, a tyranny of the many over the few ends when the few either buckle under the weight of the burden they are asked to bear for society, or simply give up. Given the similarities between the definition of socialism and the definition of communism, it is hardly surprising that what takes the place of the tyranny of the many over the few is the dictatorship of the proletariat, or the tyranny of all over one.

You know what, maybe you're right. Maybe my views will change. Until then, deal with it.

It's useless arguing with a 15 year old...I should have learned my lesson

You keep saying this, but I find it hard to believe when you dedicate this thread to me.

Thanks, bruther.

Later, Matt

LOL!

You know what, maybe you're right. Maybe my views will change. Until then, deal with it.



You keep saying this, but I find it hard to believe when you dedicate this thread to me.

Thanks, bruther.

Later, Matt

Deal with it? LOL...Ain't nothing to deal with - Your just a little misguided Dutch KID living in the States who tells all us Americans how great Socialism is...

You never did name them countries...:rolleyes:

Why is it so important to you that DutchHerp change his mind? He isn't allowed his own opinions here? I thought the forum allowed opinions.

I personally think socialism is a lousy system, because in general, people suck. It would be particularly bad in the US, where the general population gets lazier and lazier every year, and more into entitlement than ever before in our history. Socialism as a government encourages the basic citizen to do the least effort by rewarding without production.

But our health care is great only if you can afford it. Otherwise, you're standing in line hoping you can get an antibiotic for pneumonia you've had for a month, because you might make a little TOO much to qualify for free care, unless you're a minor. We DO have free clinics, and good set-ups for kids to get basic care if your'e poor. And if you work for most bigger companies, you get health care insurance, if you're lucky. But middle income families often can't afford health insurance if it doesn't come with the job, and so here's all us middle-aged middle-income people having to pay through the nose to get seen by a doctor if anything does go wrong.

The proposed health scheme that *I* read about seems to be a low-cost health insurance written by the federal government, and not a socialized health care system. I'd support low cost insurance over a revized healthcare system any day. Our health care system isn't that bad, except for the cost of it.

The only problem I see is that the federal government hasn't taken over anything that I can think of... and done BETTER, at a LOWER cost than private companies. Look at the state of VA hospitals! NO ONE who can go to a regular hospital CHOOSES to go to the VA that I know of. I'm sitting between two major VA areas, and no one prefers the VA hospitals or doctors. The government runs the VA. So I really don't want them mucking about with all the health care systems.

However, if it really is just some low-cost health insurance.. maybe I'd look into that. As long as it's just an option, and not a complete replacement. If I want to pay more, I can get a better private plan, which would cover more, and offer more stuff. If I can't afford the private plan, I could choose the government plan(which I have no doubt I'll somehow not be elligiable for!!!). That would make more sense, and that's what I read when I read up on the new proposed health plan system.

Why is it so important to you that DutchHerp change his mind? He isn't allowed his own opinions here? I thought the forum allowed opinions.

An opinion, sure...

But, according to BT,

Yes - The left wing is crap...

so nothing that has a left-ish tint to it...

Later, Matt

Why is it so important to you that DutchHerp change his mind? He isn't allowed his own opinions here? I thought the forum allowed opinions.


Who's stopping him from posting his opinion? Who said he isn't allowed an opinion here?

This forum is full of opinions!

First off I just want to say that I really don't know much about how the health system works in the US so I'm not here to say one system is better then the other.

After watching that video I was shocked to see the portrayal of the medical systems here in Canada. IMO those stats on waiting times are greatly exaggerated. If it was REALLY a 23 hour average wait for the emergency rooms we'd be dropping like flies up here. I've never personally heard of anyone waiting over 1 hour.

Over the last 2 years we have spent too many days at the hospital with many family health issues and have never seen anything close to the waiting times claimed to be the average. The one problem I will say we do have is that not all hospitals here are equipped to deal with all emergencies so from time to time people will have to be flown to other hospital.

I pay around $60 a month in health care premiums and feel the service is more then adequate. As far as Canadians going to the US for treatment , I would agree you DO have the best doctors in the world. If I had a SERIOUS health problem and I could afford it , I would want to be treated by the best as well.

IMO that video comes across as a bit of a propaganda machine. Just an opinion from someone looking at it from outside the US.

Again I'm not saying our system here in Canada is perfect , but it's not near as bad as it was portrayed in that video.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/manglerMCG/canada-flag-14.gif

Thanks for sharing, Trevor.

Later, Matt

Why is it so important to you that DutchHerp change his mind? He isn't allowed his own opinions here? I thought the forum allowed opinions.

I'm not trying top change the little fellas mind...I find it very irritating that a Dutch KID tells all us Americans on this board how great Socialism is...And I get a kick of throwing it is his face...If he doesn't like - You don't like - Don't read it...Pretty simple if you ask me...

Don't start that stupid shit "I thought the forum allowed opinions"...If they weren't then he, you and everybody else wouldn't be posting their opinions...

Who's stopping him from posting his opinion? Who said he isn't allowed an opinion here?

This forum is full of opinions!

Yeah Sput - I get pretty tired of hearing that stupid shit...

Right. You basically call him out, and post stuff that's slanted towards your POV, but then it's him bashing the US if he says the system he likes would work better?

"I find it very irritating that a Dutch KID tells all us Americans on this board how great Socialism is."
Why is it irritating that he tells you socialism is great? Why is it irritating that he's a kid? At least he's not spouting off about stupid video game stuff like that's the center of the universe like MOST kids today.

I find it amusing that the hint of saying the forum isn't perfect gets a "I get tired of hearing that stupid shit". Why is it stupid shit to point out that the forum allows opinions? I saw a bunch of people piling up on one person, just because HE has a differing opinion. Argueing political systems can be done, without expecting that anyone change their mind. What does it matter what age he is? At least he's not posting in third person with leetspeak and foul language every other word.

I find it amusing that the hint of saying the forum isn't perfect gets a "I get tired of hearing that stupid shit". Why is it stupid shit to point out that the forum allows opinions?

I don't even get what that means :dunno:

I don't even get what that means :dunno:

LOL...Me either Sput...

Wolfy - You ask if opinions were allowed here...I answered you...The "I get tired of hearing that stupid shit" was in response to your "He isn't allowed his own opinions here? I thought the forum allowed opinions."...

Where do you get that I'm trying to change his mind? This is the political forum - People can and do post their opinions here everyday...If you view it as a bunch of people piling up on one person that's fine...I view it as a bunch of people who don't believe in Matt's views...

What's his age got to do with it? Go back and dig thru some threads - We've been down that road and I have better things to do with my time and type that shit (oops - another curse word) out again...

One last thing - I cuss...Don't like - Don't read it...Don't like arguing about politics - Don't open the thread...I could careless if you think the forum isn't perfect - No one forced you to sign up and no one forces you to be a member...

If you're not trying to change his mind, why start a thread aimed at him?

I really couldn't care less if you want to curse, I see tons of people who use foul language all over the board. If it bothered me that badly, I wouldn't read the forums at all.

I just find it funny that when I questioned why you are singling a member out for their opinion, you had to respond with calling it "stupid shit". I didn't say you didn't allow any differing opinions. I just questioned why all the jabbing.

I'm not surprised that there aren't more people on the side of socialism. Most US people don't believe in it. I'm not going to dig through the entire forum, just to find out why you keep pointing out "KID".

There's no perfect forum. If this one turns into something I don't want to participate in, I won't. You won't even get the long drawn out emo "I'm leaving forever" thread that people love to post. I promise! Those are just irritating. I have no illusions that I am some valued member of the board. I don't share a lot of views, I'm not rabidly political. The board has value in it, and parts I enjoy. I popped into this thread to see why it was titled with one members name.

I'm interested in human/human interactions, and the why's of social groups. When I ask WHY you do something.. it's not bashing you for doing it.. it's asking WHY you do it. What's the motivation. What's the group dynamic pushing the actions on a forum?

Well poop. I had a nice response explaining it. Then I accidentally hit the backspace button. Sigh.

Anyway. I don't see why both you and BT are oversenstive when I said "I thought he was entitled to his opinion" and have to start with "stupid shit" and all? Is it because I imply the forum is a bit one-sided in opinions?

BT started the thread to jab at someone's opinion, and it's continued in order for more to jab at his opinion. Why? Is it because you feel he HAS to change it? In order to point out his opinion is wrong? In order to feel like part of the pack? If Dutch is completely entitled to like socialism, why the baiting?

Is there some underlying friendly jabbing going on? An ongoing discussion between rivalling opinions? I don't read every thread, especially I don't usually bother reading the politics threads.

I just don't see Dutch getting rude or ignorant(not saying responses are rude and ignorant), even though he's being singled out for believeing something different than most other forum members. I mean, I don't like squash. Should I expect threads aimed at me, with tons of stuff about squash being the savior of humankind?

I rarely curse on forums, and don't try to start drama or trouble. I also rarely will join in on political threads, because it's remarkably one-sided on most forums. As I said to begin with, I don't believe sociallism is a viable form of government either. I just wonder at the amount of effort and jabbing, in order to make one member defend his opinion?

Who says I'm over sensitive - it's politics, I couldn't care less... :dunno: I don't know why people start suggesting what people's emotions are when they cannot possibly know them unless being in the same room... :dunno:

Squash and politics - yep, now there's a great comparison - so alike :lmao:

If you're not trying to change his mind, why start a thread aimed at him?

I really couldn't care less if you want to curse, I see tons of people who use foul language all over the board. If it bothered me that badly, I wouldn't read the forums at all.

I just find it funny that when I questioned why you are singling a member out for their opinion, you had to respond with calling it "stupid shit". I didn't say you didn't allow any differing opinions. I just questioned why all the jabbing.

I'm not surprised that there aren't more people on the side of socialism. Most US people don't believe in it. I'm not going to dig through the entire forum, just to find out why you keep pointing out "KID".

There's no perfect forum. If this one turns into something I don't want to participate in, I won't. You won't even get the long drawn out emo "I'm leaving forever" thread that people love to post. I promise! Those are just irritating. I have no illusions that I am some valued member of the board. I don't share a lot of views, I'm not rabidly political. The board has value in it, and parts I enjoy. I popped into this thread to see why it was titled with one members name.

I'm interested in human/human interactions, and the why's of social groups. When I ask WHY you do something.. it's not bashing you for doing it.. it's asking WHY you do it. What's the motivation. What's the group dynamic pushing the actions on a forum?

Because I don't like Matt...Can't stand him...That's why...Any other questions?

Oops, sorry Spunik, I posted, saw that BT posted, and editted my post to reflect what he wrote.

Because I don't like Matt...Can't stand him...Thats' why...Any other questions?

Ahhhhh!! Now it makes sense. Thanks. I don't read enough to know you don't like Matt. Confusion solved.

I think disabled Americans, retired Americans, and US war veterans should be provided with health care.

Everybody else (unless there are other groups I didn't mention that are actually in NEED of free health care), it's a free country - if you want to be able to afford the best health care possible, get a student loan, go to school, get an education, get rich... anyone can do it in this country.

I am personally not that well off financially, but I did find a job where the company I work for has a health care plan. I pay my monthly fees on that and that's the end of it for me.

The above statement is my personal opinion^^^^^^^^

I'm not trying top change the little fellas mind...I find it very irritating that a Dutch KID tells all us Americans on this board how great Socialism is...And I get a kick of throwing it is his face...If he doesn't like - You don't like - Don't read it...Pretty simple if you ask me...

I thought you didn't know why you were answering me?

Later, Matt

Because I don't like Matt...Can't stand him...That's why...Any other questions?

Oh, before I forget, a sincere thank you for making me laugh out loud, buddy!

:loveyou:

Later, Matt

No problem ***...Here's one that will make you laugh even harder...Your name turned pink...:yessir:

No problem ***...Here's one that will make you laugh even harder...Your name turned pink...:yessir:

Could see that coming from a 100 miles away.... he never did answer your question?

Could see that coming from a 100 miles away.... he never did answer your question?

And he never will - He won't be back...:rebel:

Why did the little fellow get banned ?:dunno: