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African Beast

11-05-2008, 08:02 AM

WTF Yankees????
Thanks for making me look like a total doosh to friends, family and the boss…I was so adamant that you guys would elect a real man (Mcain) that I bet my good office chair on it to the new guy….sitting on a crappy old warhorse right now…
They way I see it you guys are in for a rough ride, higher taxes, less freedom, more control..and then the fun debates, IS health care a right or a privilege…etc…
I like this global village idea, I can even have a opinion on a president that has NOTHING to do with my country.
But in the end it doesn’t matter what I say, I am nowhere near the USA…but we have a saying here in good old SA: “Local is LEKKER” meaning local is good/great/nice..by the looks of things you guys just bought the imported TV…

PS-Just for fun, I would have voted for MCian on the basis of him being a war vet (that says something about a man, I don’t care where you come from), older, less excitable and a Republican=Christian, family values…

So guys what happened?...
The B

Tama

11-05-2008, 08:41 AM

norsmis

11-05-2008, 11:59 AM

since I am close to Chicago

I am in Rockford. Where are you located?

luciddream

11-05-2008, 12:15 PM

I think a bunch of people just voted themselves out of jobs.

Unfortunately I think you are right. People got all excited about a handout, thinking Uncle Obama will take care of them, not realizing that it's much better to have a job than a welfare check.

jknudson

11-05-2008, 12:44 PM

I could not knowingly vote for a president that has intentions to strengthen US relations with the Middle East, and pull military funding... trying to leave us with our pants around our ankles???

I really hope I'm wrong about this guy.

Sputnik

11-05-2008, 01:14 PM

Welcome to the mob style politics of the Chicago area, the obama thing aside I am more worried about the democrat's having full run...been watching the news for the past hour and since I am close to Chicago all I am getting is the Obama speech and nothing about the other races and the counts...

Hopefully it is in the papers today but I doubt it...

We may have lots of new programs to help people at our expense.

I'm done with this or I will say things that will piss people off more than I usually do.

I got out state and local results online at CBS....

grunt_11b2007

11-05-2008, 06:01 PM

I understand what Alan means completely. Its hard to swallow doing 4 tours between Iraq and Afghanistan, watching buddy after buddy die, and then having a guy elected to run this country with a middle name of Hussein. To be honest, it down right pisses me off......

Maybe I am wrong but didnt we go after another guy named Hussein?

Exactly!! :master::master: :yessir: :yessir:

Alan

earthpig23

11-05-2008, 06:39 PM

truth is the people just wanted change and went with something new different and full of charisma. which of course has good and bad consequences.

the masses know squat about true leadership and will follow oprah or tom cruise to the ends of the earth if they though they could do something when it comes to change.

I for one hope all the lame ass promises come through in some ways but truth is we may have to think when is enough is enough when it comes to an overbearing controllng manipulating big government and will these new voting masses see it when the :):):):) hits the fan. Im praying the people will continue to pay attention at things around them.

I for one would much rather not have to say i told you so in this case cause if so we are in trouble.

yes im trying to remain optimistic in this time of doubt

constrictorkeeper

11-05-2008, 07:23 PM

I don't know what to say?? I'm embarrassed to have fought for the people that elected this man....

Alan

you fought for their right to have a say, God bless you for that, it's one of the main tenants that this country was founded on.
if you need to feel you fought for someone, thanx from the people here at the bush leagues.
we appreciate all the sacrifice,
ck

constrictorkeeper

11-05-2008, 07:31 PM

JoshJP7

11-05-2008, 07:36 PM

rabernet

11-05-2008, 08:08 PM

Dont all bills and laws and what not still have to go through the house, senate, and congress in order to be passed? I could be wrong(I learned government in like 6th grade) but last I heard the president doesn't have as much power as everyone thinks he has.

Well, Obama is now backed by a Democratic house and senate (making up the congress). Incidentally, the house and senate were also controlled by the Dems for the past 2 years, with a lower approval rating than Bush.

JoshJP7

11-05-2008, 08:21 PM

So Robin does that mean your response is a yes?

Anyone know how to make a poll in this place? If so please PM with the setting up-polls-for idiots guide or please make one in this thread for me...

Will Obama run this country further into the ground? Yes or No

rabernet

11-05-2008, 08:36 PM

So Robin does that mean your response is a yes?

My response is "Dear God, I hope not!"

However, if he is able to do everything he pledged to do - just a few frightening things, but there are many more:

1) End the production of coal
2) Predict that electric bills under his plan will soar
3) Spread the wealth
4) Waving the white flag of surrender in Iraq by pulling troops out

Then yes, my response is yes.

However - I will say this. Although I wish that McCain had won - I will support Obama as my President and genuinely hope that when he leaves the Presidency (be it in four years or eight) that this country will be in better shape than it is today.

As a proud American, I will support my President. Doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

R

JChandler

11-05-2008, 08:41 PM

I am in Rockford. Where are you located?

I'm in Chesterton Indiana, 15 mins outside of Gary and another 40 out of Chicago....right of the tollroad or 94 (borman)...

JoshJP7

11-05-2008, 08:43 PM

Fair statement... I guess the only thing that matters is the day after the election we all forget the BS and remember we are 1 united country regardless of whose at the helm. :yessir:

JChandler

11-05-2008, 08:44 PM

My response is "Dear God, I hope not!"

However, if he is able to do everything he pledged to do - just a few frightening things, but there are many more:

1) End the production of coal
2) Predict that electric bills under his plan will soar
3) Spread the wealth
4) Waving the white flag of surrender in Iraq by pulling troops out

Then yes, my response is yes.

However - I will say this. Although I wish that McCain had won - I will support Obama as my President and genuinely hope that when he leaves the Presidency (be it in four years or eight) that this country will be in better shape than it is today.

As a proud American, I will support my President. Doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

R

Don't forget about their plan to roll our 401K's into some government program....

earthpig23

11-05-2008, 08:47 PM

My response is "Dear God, I hope not!"

However - I will say this. Although I wish that McCain had won - I will support Obama as my President and genuinely hope that when he leaves the Presidency (be it in four years or eight) that this country will be in better shape than it is today.

As a proud American, I will support my President. Doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

R

Damn tahts my kind of words man.:yessir:

KMS

11-05-2008, 10:23 PM

luciddream

11-06-2008, 12:54 PM

luciddream

11-06-2008, 01:00 PM

Wow is all that I have to say..As to the "war" in Iraq what is the final outcome to quote Palin win the war....Its a war that cant be won...I to served my country proudly as a Marine but I feel we cant fix abroad if we cant fix home first...
KMS

I appreciate your service. I really think you've been listening to John Murtha, Harry Reed and John Kerry a little too much, though. We've already greatly improved the situation in Iraq enough that it's possible to start withdrawing troops soon since the surge. You're right, that we have alot to do at home, but since we are already there, do you really feel it's appropriate to surrender and leave without leaving a stable country to fend for itself? If we leave without the Iraqi's able to secure their own country, it will most likely become a country ruled by a theocracy and a sponsor of terrorism. We really don't need another Iran or Afganistan.

constrictorkeeper

11-06-2008, 01:37 PM

Just curious... Everyone really thinks that 1 guy is going to run this nation into the ground?... We'll Bush has pretty much already done that for us so... deeper into the ground? Dont all bills and laws and what not still have to go through the house, senate, and congress in order to be passed? I could be wrong(I learned government in like 6th grade) but last I heard the president doesn't have as much power as everyone thinks he has.

josh
do you actually read what you write ?
although you've idicated that your opinion is based on a sixth grade level evaluation of government (and no one here has any problem believing that), you speak very confidently, then contradict yourself when convenient, all within' the same short paragraph (see above)
i'm not trying to hose you here, i'm trying to help you grasp what has thus far slipped through your hands, please don't take this as me chosing to cornhole you in public, i really feel that there may be a prayer for you, else i wouldn't waste my time.
you emphatically state "last I heard the president doesn't have as much power as everyone thinks he has." but you clearly feel "Everyone really thinks that 1 guy is going to run this nation into the ground?... We'll Bush has pretty much already done that". you can't have it both ways my friend.
was bush the one president who actually had all that power ? ask yourself your own question.
"Dont all bills and laws and what not still have to go through the house, senate, and congress in order to be passed?" now if that's the case, how did your president "run this nation into the ground ?" could it be that the democratic party (party currently in control) had more to do with it than the guy who "doesn't have as much power as everyone thinks he has."
josh, there were no mirrors or smoke screens used here to help you understand what alot of us here already know; just your own words. you are easily influenced by what the media is feeding you, and you regurgitate that misinformation when you get a hankerin' to participate in big boy talk.
please re-read your own words and try to see that you're in a little over your head if you think that your "opinion" is even remotely factually based.
then, if you really want to learn from some truly compelling insight, read luciddream's posts over and over again. it's free knowledge, and it's more accurate than any you'd pay for in college.(i know money is an issue for you).
then open your mouth and regurgitate that which is true in a roomful of your homies, feel their stinging false evaluations of your new found knowledge, and you'll then know what it's like for us here to have to humor the likes of your sixth grade degree in political science (it's tedius listening to your incessant stream of regurgitated word-barf ). make a difference, it really hurts to try, but maybe your light will go on, and you'll be able to shed some of it on someone else. fi it doesn't hurt to try, you're not trying hard enough, try it on some really stupid friends first, they shouldn't be hard for you to find, and you'll have a better shot with them...at least until you get good at it.
by all means, ask us for help, we're here to help.
ck

JoshJP7

11-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Talk about contridicting ... start off by saying you're not trying to corn hole me in public but then go on to make comments like try "it on some stupid friends first, they shouldnt be hard to find"... "it's more accurate than any you'd pay for in college.(i know money is an issue for you)." along with other bashes... It doesn't bother me though b/c I have already admitted I dont know squat about the real government runs...

An opinion is just that ... an opinion... If I wanted to say the sky is green and the sun is purple... thats my opinion... you dont need facts to have an opinion.

Quig

11-06-2008, 03:35 PM

[QUOTE=JoshJP7;11125]

An opinion is just that ... an opinion... If I wanted to say the sky is green and the sun is purple... thats my opinion... QUOTE]

LOL, Josh I'm really tryin' to stay out of this, simply because I don't argue well but THIS opinion will get you more arguements than you can probably handle :lol:

JoshJP7

11-06-2008, 03:43 PM

luciddream

11-06-2008, 04:24 PM

I'm not arguing with anyone... I asked a question and got slammed for it... Now that I look at what I said ... yea its pretty stupid and I probably should have worded it better. Regardless ... I went to school for business and know crap about politics... ignorant to politics... dumb about politics... whatever you wanna call it. Doesn't bother me one bit bc I have zero plans to do anything or go anywhere near politics... I'm just going to chill with my "homies"

The problem is that politics affect all of us. You may not have studied them, but the affect you whether you want them to or not. I can understand not wanting to learn anything about politics. Politicians in general seem to be some of the shadiest characters in society. It's a given that 80% of them have committed multiple felonies while in office. But, to be ignorant to the way our government works is just a bad idea. It's incredible how kids get through school these days without reading the constitution and the declaration of independence. Kids are taught spin instead of history. It's extremely sad to know the state of our education system, and how children can graduate high school without learning to read. Anyways, my point is, it is important to know how your government works, and what it's up to. It's your duty to make an informed decision, so you can help shape the country or stop corrupt politicians from making bad changes. I can't urge people enough that if they don't sit up and pay attention, one day they'll wake up to living in a socialist country. If you look at the history of countries that have recently turned to socialism, they all started down the same path we are no on. That the "rich" weren't contributing enough to the working class. How it was "fair" that the government take from them and give to people more "deserving". We've already headed towards nationalizing (socializing) our banks. Politicians have thrown around the idea of socializing the oil industry. Can you imagine that? Politicians, in America, lightly throwing around the idea of socializing anything? Please, people, it's our obligation to know what our government is up to. We've been handing more and more power over to an ever larger central government and it needs to stop. These are things that are in complete opposition to the ideals this country was founded upon. I don't know what else to say. It just makes me sad when I hear people say that they want nothing to do with politics or government, but then complain about things when they get bent over the chair.

constrictorkeeper

11-06-2008, 04:45 PM

The problem is that politics affect all of us. You may not have studied them, but the affect you whether you want them to or not. I can understand not wanting to learn anything about politics. Politicians in general seem to be some of the shadiest characters in society. It's a given that 80% of them have committed multiple felonies while in office. But, to be ignorant to the way our government works is just a bad idea. It's incredible how kids get through school these days without reading the constitution and the declaration of independence. Kids are taught spin instead of history. It's extremely sad to know the state of our education system, and how children can graduate high school without learning to read. Anyways, my point is, it is important to know how your government works, and what it's up to. It's your duty to make an informed decision, so you can help shape the country or stop corrupt politicians from making bad changes. I can't urge people enough that if they don't sit up and pay attention, one day they'll wake up to living in a socialist country. If you look at the history of countries that have recently turned to socialism, they all started down the same path we are no on. That the "rich" weren't contributing enough to the working class. How it was "fair" that the government take from them and give to people more "deserving". We've already headed towards nationalizing (socializing) our banks. Politicians have thrown around the idea of socializing the oil industry. Can you imagine that? Politicians, in America, lightly throwing around the idea of socializing anything? Please, people, it's our obligation to know what our government is up to. We've been handing more and more power over to an ever larger central government and it needs to stop. These are things that are in complete opposition to the ideals this country was founded upon. I don't know what else to say. It just makes me sad when I hear people say that they want nothing to do with politics or government, but then complain about things when they get bent over the chair.

amen,
ck

wolfyhound

11-06-2008, 07:32 PM

Oh let's face it, you just accused Josh of regurgitating party line from what he's heard(on the democrat side), but you do exactly the same thing from your side. At least Josh didn't throw a lot of insults into his post.
All of the politics will accomplish one thing, politicians will get richer, and we won't. It doesn't matter if Bush or Obama or Bill Ray is in office, if they are politicians, they lied to get there, and will vote for more money for themselves.
Here's a prediction.. if the country gets better, it will be becuase "Bush set things in motion, and things got accomplished in spite of Obama and the democrats". If the country doesn't improve it'll be because "Obama and democrats are ruining the country".
Over in democrat forums, it's the opposite. Democrats are ALREADY saying "Well.. we're in power.. but you know, it might be too much to get anything actually improved... you know.. because of Bush ruining everything.." So if they fail, they'll say it's not their fault, it's because Bush screwed everything up too much beforehand.
Obama will put up, or shut up at this point. The democrats are in power becuase the People wanted it that way. Be watchful as to what laws are proposed, just like always. It's not been Obama running things into the ground before now.. so let's watch and see if he improves things, or continues the same old same old.

JChandler

11-06-2008, 08:52 PM

I am not going to sit here and say things are better or worse because of something someone put into motion years ago....that is bad practice.

I don't have any ayres inspired higher learning establishment brainwashed ideas in my head so I don't know what that makes me...maybe one of the uneducated masses that can make balanced choices based on my life and my experiences.

Nothing I say is regurgitated from any party, I speak from the hip (sometimes shooting myself in the foot in the process) but I am a man that can stand up and say this is what I believe based on what is best for me.

We can go round for round on the difference in the parties and what should have happened but it is what it is, over....now all we can do is sit back and watch.

Honestly I hope everything goes perfect for us and for our country.

147BOAS

11-07-2008, 09:35 PM

Nixon started it by taking the dollar off the gold standerd and Clinton really by nafta and thats how we got where we are today. so both parties are to blame

buzzboa

11-07-2008, 10:14 PM

I tried hard to be open minded during this election. I just don't understand what my fellow american see in obama. people can say what that won't about president Bush, I have allot of respect for him and how he has protected american soil from terrorist attacks since 9/11.
I spent allot of time in Israel and have seen how they live in constant fear of terrorist attacks.
I just hope and pray this does not happen in america, it can if the current adm lets its guard down.

Gator

11-08-2008, 11:46 PM

you guys-and gals-are freakin hilarious! We're living in a democracy and Grunt, you (and I) signed up to defend this country and that includes whomever you consider to be an idiot as well as those you who share your opinions.
No matter whose to blame, our nation is in the ****ter right now and I don't care who fixes it, but I haven't see anything substantive from anyone in power up to this point.
We need real solutions from everyone and not half a nation who says 'We're f&*^^%^ed!' and goes to sleep for the next four years. Just think about it.

Gator

11-09-2008, 12:20 AM

All of the vets who posted on this site who are upset about the election and are "embarrassed" to have defended those who voted to elect the President should be embarrassed that their posts show a frightening lack of knowledge about what they did sign up to defend. Go check your oath-you didn't swear to protect and defend Democrats and Republicans, gays and straights, blacks and whites, Christians and Muslims-you swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. And what exactly did happen last Tuesday? Democracy happened! 110 million+ Americans exercised their constitutional rights-in no small part thanks to you-to vote and elect a fellow American (and don't even bring up that birth certificate business) to the highest office in the land.
If that's not impressive, get on a flight to Singapore and try to get through customs with a pack of chewing gum (Yeah, it's illegal there, along with not flushing public toilets).

This is my last post on this topic and this forum. The election's over and we can all try-in our small ways-to be part of the solution, or we can continue to add to the big mess of problems our country is in.

xanaxez

11-09-2008, 04:57 AM

Wow is all that I have to say..As to the "war" in Iraq what is the final outcome to quote Palin win the war....Its a war that cant be won...I to served my country proudly as a Marine but I feel we cant fix abroad if we cant fix home first...
KMS

all i can say is WOW. tell that to all of the men and women that have died for our country to protect it. tell it to all of the innocent victims and there familys. last i heard we were winning the war. you may not see it and others may not but think of it this way if we wasnt winning the war and keeping them on the run and in hiding, how many more innocent people would die in the united states and other countries they have bombed or blown something up? i'm glad you served our country and faught for us and made it home safely i truley admire you for that but think of the ones that fault and died for a war they believed that could be won. a war is won in many ways not just who has the upper hand or whos getting the most kills. the way i see it is that just by the fighting being on there soil and not ours keeping the american people and its allies safe is a win in itself. if we wasnt fighting it and winning then innocent people and families all over the world that has fail victim to there ruthless acts would be facing these action over and over every day but they arent so in my opinion we are alive and and not forced to face devistating events such as 9-11 occuring constantly like it would if we wasnt winning the war. so in my opinion i feel like our troops are doing one HELL of a job at winning this war.

Larry

11-09-2008, 12:29 PM

This is my last post on this topic and this forum.

You are seriously going to leave because of a thread in the politics section? Damn brother you are thin skinned, lighten up a bit, we are all friends around here despite our political views.

If you do come back don't go near the Saloon..

About the election

I'm not happy with the election. I honestly think history will veiw this election as the year the American people got duped by the main stream media..

Very sad to think about the huge majority of people that voted for Obama because of “Obama Mania” but don’t have a clue about his policies and views.

With that being said he will be my President in Jan and I'll give the position the respect it deserves..

:yessir:

Tosha

11-09-2008, 12:30 PM

With that being said he will be my President in Jan and I'll give the position the respect it deserves..

:yessir:

I dont think he takes office until somewhere around the 20th :yessir:

Larry

11-09-2008, 12:41 PM

I dont think he takes office until somewhere around the 20th :yessir:

Good thats buys us 20 more days....:D

jasballs

11-09-2008, 12:43 PM

Good thats buys us 20 more days....:D

:lol::rockon:

constrictorkeeper

11-09-2008, 03:49 PM

Good thats buys us 20 more days....:D

doesn't buy 'em, they just get tacked on at the end...
if you'll recall, that's the time ol' bill used to steal the silverware from airforce1, and pardon like 250 cons...good times.
ck

Larry

11-09-2008, 04:35 PM

doesn't buy 'em, they just get tacked on at the end...
if you'll recall, that's the time ol' bill used to steal the silverware from airforce1, and pardon like 250 cons...good times.
ck

Ol' bill did make out pretty good on that ordeal...

luciddream

11-10-2008, 12:07 PM

Ol' bill did make out pretty good on that ordeal...

I'm hoping Bush will push through some stuff to try to make our 4 years of Obama a little more tolerable. First being an executive moratorium on the "Fairness Doctrine". Sure, Obama could drop it, but it'll be harder for him to say he doesn't support the Fairness Doctrine and that it's just the FCC that put enacted the regulation when he'd have to do away with the moratorium first. He should also pardon those Border Officers as well. I can't think of anything else offhand that I'd like to see get done that Bush could do without congress but I'm sure he could do a few things to make pushing their agenda through a little harder. Time will tell.

On another note, does anyone else have a gigantic problem with Obama choosing Gov Jennifer Granholm to be part of his economic advisory board? I mean, Michigan has been in a one state depression for years now, and Granholm has been a big part of it's problems. I really don't want that woman coming near any part of the government that deals with the national economy. And Henry Rivera to the FCC transition Team? Rohm Emmanuel as the Cheif of Staff? This guy sends dead fish to people in the mail. Give me a break. The country is slowing circling the drain and going down the pipe. :mad:

The_Boaphile

11-10-2008, 09:08 PM

I'm hoping Bush will push through some stuff to try to make our 4 years of Obama a little more tolerable. First being an executive moratorium on the "Fairness Doctrine". Sure, Obama could drop it, but it'll be harder for him to say he doesn't support the Fairness Doctrine and that it's just the FCC that put enacted the regulation when he'd have to do away with the moratorium first. He should also pardon those Border Officers as well. I can't think of anything else offhand that I'd like to see get done that Bush could do without congress but I'm sure he could do a few things to make pushing their agenda through a little harder. Time will tell.

On another note, does anyone else have a gigantic problem with Obama choosing Gov Jennifer Granholm to be part of his economic advisory board? I mean, Michigan has been in a one state depression for years now, and Granholm has been a big part of it's problems. I really don't want that woman coming near any part of the government that deals with the national economy. And Henry Rivera to the FCC transition Team? Rohm Emmanuel as the Cheif of Staff? This guy sends dead fish to people in the mail. Give me a break. The country is slowing circling the drain and going down the pipe. :mad:

Actually I think Gov Jennifer, from Mich, is there to explain exactly how not to do to anything to do with an economy. But then she hasn't had much help from the American auto makers and other industry, who are largely the victims of Big Unions. I doubt anyone could do a whole lot better with the mess those guys have made in Mich.

I admire the sending of a dead fish to an adversary! I think that is hilarious, but then that is coming from a guy who sent someone a box of dog crap once. Once. That was really funny too. Ask me about it and I'll tell you sometime.

In a way, I am relieved to see who Obama has appointed so far. He is at least trying to give the impression that he is not the radical I feared he actually was, and I still fear that he might very well be. Another term of a President Clinton, absent Clinton's uncontrollable womanizing eye, is about 100 times better than I feared. Truly. But...

Before I get to relieved, Obama is reputed to be selecting a supporter of the Fairness Doctrine to be the new head of the FCC. He supposidly was not a supporter of it, but actions speak a whole lot louder than words. Empty words. "Just words" as he said in one plagiarized speech.

Remember this, Obama won this election by running as a tax cutter, which truly will help our economy. He out conservatived the imitation conservative, McCain. We'll see what he really does, but I expect him to do exactly as Clinton did, who also won an election claiming a tax cut for the middle class in 1992, only to take back his promise within his first 100 days, saying, "I've never worked on anything so hard in my life". Then BOOM! Exactly what he planned all along, a tax increase. I FULLY expect Obama do to the exact same thing, and so do about 65% the people who voted for him. The others are the morons who are among the mindless masses who don't know a dead fish from a box of dog poop.

The other thing that is floating around out there that concerns me is the suggestion that we need something called the Civilian National Security Force or something like that. Sounds something like the "Secret Police" that the commies had and used to imprison those with whom they disagreed. This under the pretense that those who disagree are just mentally disturbed. Christians in Russia were imprisoned on the grounds that they were mentally ill. I actually sat across from a coworker, who was an admitted "communist", that told me that he thought I was mentally ill. Mentally ill because of my faith. Seriously.

He, like most Marxist, beleives that Marxism will work. It will. The only reason it hasn't, is the wrong people have tried it. I GUARANTEE that fellow is HOPING with everything in his body, exactly what some of us fear about Obama.

I just comfort myself with the mostly middle of the road recycled Clinton people that Obama seems to be surrounding himself with. I'll feel a whole lot better when the MoveOn.org freaks begin to protest him. That will really make me feel a LOT better.

SublimeBoa

11-11-2008, 06:47 AM

luciddream

11-11-2008, 06:57 AM

I will feel alot better when the MoveOn.org people start to protest him also. Unfortunately, I don't think it will happen. My feelings are similar to yours, in that the majority of Americans were hoodwinked by the Obama campaign. He will not cut taxes, he will most likely do the opposite and raise them on the people that count most, the ones that create jobs.

I really hope Granholm is there to explain what not to do to the economy. I agree that the American auto industry is a victim of big unions and a failing business model. The states economic plans haven't helped matters at all, though. The environmental radicals have been doing everything in their power to bring them down as well. But people have been fleeing Michigan in droves because of the tax and other socialist policies the state has been levying on it's citizens. I fear that the nation will soon see policies like what has been killing business in Michigan.

I'm also extremely worried about the FCC and the Fairness Doctrine. We'll see how that plays out. Hopefully, if they do institute it, we may be able to get a Supreme Court ruling before Obama appoints a judge. I'm not too hopeful on the matter, but I will try to fight it in any way I can, if it does come down that way.

Hopefully, Obama's administration will be akin to another Clinton term, but with his background and the things he's been saying he will do, that's not very hopeful, either. I worry about the "Security Force", as well. I have a feeling they will reinstitute the draft, with joining the brown shirts as a way to avoid military service. It will essentially be indoctrination of our youth into socialism. For now, I'll be cautiously optimistic in my hopes that Obama will get some understanding of the nations needs and how his current policies aren't going to be the solutions we need. I'm still fairly worried about his appointments thus far, though.

luciddream

11-11-2008, 07:13 AM

I don't know how he got elected. His entire campaign has shown his racist agenda. He is not the answer to Americas problems, that is for sure. And it shames me that American citizens actually elected him. I didn't serve my country to support this kind of crap.

And to any that feel they need to support him, just because he is president.....well, that's not a good enough reason for me. I ain't in the military any longer, so he isn't MY commander in chief. I don't have to support, or believe in his empty promises, and prejudicial beliefs. I support what America was founded on, not this twerps fanatical ideas of what our founding fathers had in mind. This guy is another Malcolm X all over again. Just not so brazen or ballsy as the original one.

Sad part is, no matter who is in office, America will not be a truly united nation, until American citizens learn to become one. We are still segregated into groups by order of a hyphenation. Asian-American, Mexican-American, African-American, Anglo-American. When we, ALL OF US, learn to be JUST Americans, and only Americans, things will start to get much better.

My nickles worth.
Rick

I thank you for your service. I agree that we will not be united as a nation until we stop separating ourselves into groups. We are all Americans, well atleast those of us in the country legally. The problem I see with alot of liberals is their pandering to groups and claiming that these groups grievances should be dealt with with social and economic "justice".

I will disagree with you on supporting Obama because he is our president. I, too, am extremely disappointed in the public, the media, pretty much anyone else that didn't fulfill their obligation to do their homework and know what they were voting for or perpetuating the deception of the Obama campaign. That being said, he is our president-elect. He will be president in January, as long as nothing terrible befalls him or some court doesn't strike down the decision based upon any new findings in his eligibility to actually have become president. I wish no ill will upon him, and will support him as president because this is how our system works. I support our system of government and that means a peaceful transition of power. That doesn't mean that I won't fight in any way legally allowable when I disagree with his actions or policies, but he is the president, and I will support him when he is right. There were too many people that I felt disgusted with when Bush was elected that refused to accept him as their president, and I won't be like those people. I won't call for the man's impeachment until he actually does something that warrants such action. We have to give the man a chance. Hopefully he will prove us all wrong, for the sake of the country and our future. I'm hoping that once he becomes president and learns the reality of our situation and the threats that face our nation, it will temper his decisions to go ahead with his policies and the pushing through of the radical agenda the liberals have been waiting for.

SublimeBoa

11-11-2008, 07:55 AM

luciddream

11-11-2008, 09:11 AM

Well, just the fact that you CAN disagree with me, is part of why this nation is such a great place.

However, the Presidency is a huge obligation to ALL of America. Until he proves he's for the betterment of the nation as a whole, and not certain targeted groups, then he won't get a lick of support from me.

Our great Nation wasn't founded on the idea that a "title" warrants automatic support. He has an obligation to fulfill yet. If he appears to stand up to that challenge, then I may change my stance. But I won't support anyone, JUST because they are "President".

I understand where you're coming from. The thing is, it's not just a title, he won the election because more people voted for him. They may not have realized what they were voting for, but they did vote for him, which means that the majority of the voting population thinks he is the man for the job. That is the reason he deserves our support as president UNTIL he actually does something that we disagree with.

SublimeBoa

11-11-2008, 06:34 PM

UNTIL he actually does something that we disagree with.

Well, bringing ethnicity into it early on, calling on minorities to support him, instead of "Americans" to support him, like he's gonna make their life all sweet from now on, bringing his mother into it, so he could prove he's has the ethnic genes to be properly called the "First Black President", too many inconsistencies in his campaign to count, trying to change our foundations of being a Christian country. (I could go on, but what's the point)................I guess IMHO, he's already done plenty wrong.

But being the American that I am, I won't fault you for doing what you feel is the right thing to do. You support him all you want. :cheers:

As for me, I don't really care if God himself voted for the man. I need for him to prove he's for the country as a whole, because his campaign led me to believe otherwise. :yessir:

luciddream

11-11-2008, 07:49 PM

Well, bringing ethnicity into it early on, calling on minorities to support him, instead of "Americans" to support him, like he's gonna make their life all sweet from now on, bringing his mother into it, so he could prove he's has the ethnic genes to be properly called the "First Black President", too many inconsistencies in his campaign to count, trying to change our foundations of being a Christian country. (I could go on, but what's the point)................I guess IMHO, he's already done plenty wrong.

But being the American that I am, I won't fault you for doing what you feel is the right thing to do. You support him all you want. :cheers:

As for me, I don't really care if God himself voted for the man. I need for him to prove he's for the country as a whole, because his campaign led me to believe otherwise. :yessir:

Oh, believe me, I don't trust the man as far as I can throw him (which probably isn't very far, but we can hope it's far enough to have him land in oncoming traffic). Anyways.. You're right, he's done plenty wrong in his life and in his campaign. He will have to prove himself to me that he isn't the socialist and radical we think he is. All that being said, I hope he does well. For the country's sake, I hope he succeeds. He's won the election, and has become the president of the greatest nation on earth. So, as a patriotic American, I will support the president-elect as my president since that's how our system of a representative republic works and it's the best system of government that history has seen and I love it. I will vehemently oppose him when I don't agree with his policies, but considering he will be the president and that there is nothing short of killing the man that we can do to prevent him from becoming the president, I will support him as the president. Like it or not, we are stuck with the SOB for four years, so as the man who was elected I'll support him in his endeavors until he implements a policy I disagree with or that I feel is bad for the country.

I also support your right to not support him, and I understand why you would prefer not to support the man... as it's very hard for me to do so as well. I would have liked the media to have done their job, and done some actual vetting of the man, but seeing as they refused, he's who we've got. I'm gonna shut up about this topic now.. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
:cheers:

Again, thank you for your service. You're sacrifice means alot to alot of people. :yessir: