I am actually astonished to see the large number of Obama supporters over on Ball-pythons.net. Such a stark contrast to this place.

ANy thoughts?

STUPIDITY IGNORANCE BLINDNESS & etc....

The majority of posters on BP.net are liberals...Liz summed it up pretty good...But your right - A very stark contrast to the BLBC...

I doesn't help that we just had 8 years of what I'd call the worst leadership in US history.... or lack of leadership.

Hippies who love paying high taxes and want the government to solve all their problems maybe???

STUPIDITY IGNORANCE BLINDNESS & etc....

I like this summation the best.

Hippies who love paying high taxes and want the government to solve all their problems maybe???

Yep - People living off hand outs and favors...

Did I mention I love it here? :)

Hippies who love paying high taxes and want the government to solve all their problems maybe???
I liked being a hippie but not for high taxes or government rule

I like this summation the best. Thanks:yourock:

I doesn't help that we just had 8 years of what I'd call the worst leadership in US history.... or lack of leadership. So true but I did NOT vote for him either

I doesn't help that we just had 8 years of what I'd call the worst leadership in US history.... or lack of leadership.

I agree. I just hope people didn't elect more of the same as my gut feeling says.

I doesn't help that we just had 8 years of what I'd call the worst leadership in US history.... or lack of leadership.

Many people may feel this way, I don't fault people for it, but just because someone is 180 degrees in the opposite direction doesn't mean it is good policy either. I do think Bush has made some MAJOR mistakes. Primarily, missing the opportunities to push legislation through when he had a majority in congress for drilling, tax reform, a permanant ban on the fairness doctrine, reform on GSE's like Fannie and Freddie, and a couple other things. This whole bailout fiasco he pushed for, including ever appointing Paulson as the now Financial Czar of the Republic. I didn't really agree with going into Iraq when we did, we probably should have finished the job in Afganistan and Al Qaeda over there before moving in there. Not doing a very good PR job and disagreeing with democrats when they would lie about no uranium being found in Iraq or telling the public that the democrats were the ones that shot down Freddie and Fannie reform, saying everything was fine.

He has done a fairly decent job, though. His tax cuts helped the economy stay on it's feet after 9/11. The country has been doing really well considering the amount of money we've been spending on two wars these last 7 years. He has managed to keep unemployment low. And amazingly, his approval rating is higher than congress's. I don't know why the people didn't take the current state of things out on the democrat controlled congress, but it seems that a majority of voters have been uninformed and were swayed by Obama's orratory prowess.

There's plenty of room for socialist liberals in Canada... or France. :lol:

it seems that a majority of voters have been uninformed and were swayed by Obama's orratory prowess.

He is a fine public speaker, which impressed a lot I believe. I think younger people have a hard time relating to a guy that is 71yrs old as apposed to a slick talking younger guy....

Obama's image has imo been very carefully crafted, McCain carried the "Bush" baggage and the Palin baggage..... bad choice for VP. Not a bad person, just a bad choice I think.

I'm just glad this crap is all over with....

I doesn't help that we just had 8 years of what I'd call the worst leadership in US history.... or lack of leadership.

how old are you sputter ?
if you don't mind my askin', i 'm trying to understand your perspective.
ck

how old are you sputter ?
if you don't mind my askin', i 'm trying to understand your perspective.
ck

39.... just an opinion man.

Many people may feel this way, I don't fault people for it, but just because someone is 180 degrees in the opposite direction doesn't mean it is good policy either. I do think Bush has made some MAJOR mistakes. Primarily, missing the opportunities to push legislation through when he had a majority in congress for drilling, tax reform, a permanant ban on the fairness doctrine, reform on GSE's like Fannie and Freddie, and a couple other things. This whole bailout fiasco he pushed for, including ever appointing Paulson as the now Financial Czar of the Republic. I didn't really agree with going into Iraq when we did, we probably should have finished the job in Afganistan and Al Qaeda over there before moving in there. Not doing a very good PR job and disagreeing with democrats when they would lie about no uranium being found in Iraq or telling the public that the democrats were the ones that shot down Freddie and Fannie reform, saying everything was fine.

He has done a fairly decent job, though. His tax cuts helped the economy stay on it's feet after 9/11. The country has been doing really well considering the amount of money we've been spending on two wars these last 7 years. He has managed to keep unemployment low. And amazingly, his approval rating is higher than congress's. I don't know why the people didn't take the current state of things out on the democrat controlled congress, but it seems that a majority of voters have been uninformed and were swayed by Obama's orratory prowess.

an accurate analysis luce, as usual, coherent, valid, and point on.
ck

He is a fine public speaker, which impressed a lot I believe. I think younger people have a hard time relating to a guy that is 71yrs old as apposed to a slick talking younger guy....

Obama's image has imo been very carefully crafted, McCain carried the "Bush" baggage and the Palin baggage..... bad choice for VP. Not a bad person, just a bad choice I think.

I'm just glad this crap is all over with....

Exactly my same thoughts. I didn't vote for Bill, Bush, or Obama and still we keep getting screwed :lol: Now bend over everyone and get ready for some more cause it's not stopping with this winner :lol: Also who would have ever thought after 911 we would have elected a president with any kind of name similar to the guy who attacked this country.How messed up is that?? My grand father voted for Obama and when he goes to say Obamas name says Osama Bin Landen instead everytime :lol: Whats really sad he ain't the only one I heard at different places making the same mistake young and old!!!

My wife constantly calls Obama, Osama. The sad thing is it's not intentional. I don't think that we shouldn't have elected him because of his name, but the fact that he wants to cut our military, cut spending on future combat systems and missile defense in a world that is increasingly dangerous is just plain retarded. It's hard to know what his true beliefs and ideals are, as he has been extremely careful to hide them from us. The only time you get a glimpse of it, it doesn't look good. His slip with "Joe the Plumber", the 2001 interview with him, the older copies of his books before it was reprinted with passages missing, his long standing relationship with radicals, it just doesn't look like the story he's telling us is true.

Obama's image has imo been very carefully crafted, McCain carried the "Bush" baggage and the Palin baggage..... bad choice for VP. Not a bad person, just a bad choice I think.

Obama's image was VERY carefully crafted. The reason McCain ended up carrying "Bush's Baggage" mainly had to do with liberal spin on McCain's record. If you had asked most conservatives before McCain was named their candidate, they probably would have told you that McCain infuriates them a good percentage of the time. The only legislation I could think of off hand before the primaries were ones I didn't agree with: McCain - Kennedy, McCain - Feingold, McCain - Lieberman. McCain sure does have a bipartisan record. Not a record alot of conservatives would be very proud of, either. The choice of Palin, in my opinion, is what energized conservatives about McCain. Personally, I think she would have made an excellent VP. If she could have done 1% of what she did for Alaska for the country, I'd have been ecstatic. Sure, she wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'd rather have her than the entire staff of Harvard to govern the country. In my opinion, it was not Palin that made McCain look bad, it was the liberal's and media's spin on Palin. I've heard all sorts of things about her from "informed" people at the University where I work.. saying things about her burning books and refusing to allow evolution to be taught in schools. Most of them were convinced that her child was her daughters fathered by her husband. I mean, it's ridiculous.

You are right that the youth had trouble relating to McCain. Obama also had a very slick campaign and used technology to his advantage. He really managed to get the younger voters out to the polls.

I'm also relieved it's over with.. But I'm also extremely nervous about what's to come. All I know is that it will be a long 4 years, and conservatives or just those that believe that freedom is the answer to the human condition will have to fight this liberal controlled congress and president on pretty much every item they have on their agenda. Soon we'll have a liberal controlled court as well. God help us then.

39.... just an opinion man.

...not gonna ask you to swallow bro.
but i do think you need to read and understand what luccid recently put up.
the growth this country put forth WHILE, coming off 9-11 (i could see the twins from where i live, so i have a little perspective here) in light of all that devastation, the HISTORICALLY low unemployment, the unbelievable excecution of a war on two SIMULTANEOUS fronts with minimal american casualty ( while i don't believe any american casualty is good, i do believe that four thousand over FIVE years is truly amazingly low, we've lost plenty more than that in one battle, in virtually hours, on more than a few ocasions during WW2, but of course, the greatest generation didn't whine about it).
the fact that the standing president was SERIOUSLY distracted from the agenda he ran on is in my opinion ( again, as one who saw the towers afire with naked eye, not t.v. eye) really okay with me. the fact that the iraq engagement has drawn terrorists from all the surrounding middle east countries to die there, where we're also playing with weapons, is once again, really okay with me. the fact that the goal here (remember the goal ? americans have a real short memory, in spite of the fact that the president said from day one, that this will be long and protracted, and that we'd all have to hang in to see it through, and the fact that CONGRESS sends soldiers to their task, we still forget that the goal ) was to change the hearts and minds of an oppressed people. and by doing so stem the flow of terrorists from their breeding ground.
life in iraq sucked hard, it was easy to recruit terrorists, there WERE wmd's there according to ALL international intel, not just CIA. and lets face it, if life sucks so bad for you, why not blow other people and their :):):):) up ? these people had nothing, and nothing to live for, we needed to change that, we needed to kill the cancer, not just cut off the tumor. we needed to get the psycho outta office who was rewarding martyrs by paying their families for blowing themselves up.
don't tell me the leadership stunk, the leadership rocked, the leadership was hosed by the pinkpantywearin'janefondalovin' media, that's probably why you and every other bad memory american ain't kissin' this guy's ass for savin' our sorry butts from what happened because william jefferson didn't get the "other" osama (binladin) when he HAD the chance. granted ol' billyboy was distracted while in orifice too...
see me after school,
ck

My wife constantly calls Obama, Osama. The sad thing is it's not intentional. I don't think that we shouldn't have elected him because of his name, but the fact that he wants to cut our military, cut spending on future combat systems and missile defense in a world that is increasingly dangerous is just plain retarded. It's hard to know what his true beliefs and ideals are, as he has been extremely careful to hide them from us. The only time you get a glimpse of it, it doesn't look good. His slip with "Joe the Plumber", the 2001 interview with him, the older copies of his books before it was reprinted with passages missing, his long standing relationship with radicals, it just doesn't look like the story he's telling us is true.



Obama's image was VERY carefully crafted. The reason McCain ended up carrying "Bush's Baggage" mainly had to do with liberal spin on McCain's record. If you had asked most conservatives before McCain was named their candidate, they probably would have told you that McCain infuriates them a good percentage of the time. The only legislation I could think of off hand before the primaries were ones I didn't agree with: McCain - Kennedy, McCain - Feingold, McCain - Lieberman. McCain sure does have a bipartisan record. Not a record alot of conservatives would be very proud of, either. The choice of Palin, in my opinion, is what energized conservatives about McCain. Personally, I think she would have made an excellent VP. If she could have done 1% of what she did for Alaska for the country, I'd have been ecstatic. Sure, she wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'd rather have her than the entire staff of Harvard to govern the country. In my opinion, it was not Palin that made McCain look bad, it was the liberal's and media's spin on Palin. I've heard all sorts of things about her from "informed" people at the University where I work.. saying things about her burning books and refusing to allow evolution to be taught in schools. Most of them were convinced that her child was her daughters fathered by her husband. I mean, it's ridiculous.

You are right that the youth had trouble relating to McCain. Obama also had a very slick campaign and used technology to his advantage. He really managed to get the younger voters out to the polls.

I'm also relieved it's over with.. But I'm also extremely nervous about what's to come. All I know is that it will be a long 4 years, and conservatives or just those that believe that freedom is the answer to the human condition will have to fight this liberal controlled congress and president on pretty much every item they have on their agenda. Soon we'll have a liberal controlled court as well. God help us then.

and he does it again... kudos brother lucid.
ck

I doesn't help that we just had 8 years of what I'd call the worst leadership in US history.... or lack of leadership.

Please tell me you didn't find leadership in Jim Carter..

My wife constantly calls Obama, Osama. The sad thing is it's not intentional. I don't think that we shouldn't have elected him because of his name, but the fact that he wants to cut our military, cut spending on future combat systems and missile defense in a world that is increasingly dangerous is just plain retarded. It's hard to know what his true beliefs and ideals are, as he has been extremely careful to hide them from us. The only time you get a glimpse of it, it doesn't look good. His slip with "Joe the Plumber", the 2001 interview with him, the older copies of his books before it was reprinted with passages missing, his long standing relationship with radicals, it just doesn't look like the story he's telling us is true.



Obama's image was VERY carefully crafted. The reason McCain ended up carrying "Bush's Baggage" mainly had to do with liberal spin on McCain's record. If you had asked most conservatives before McCain was named their candidate, they probably would have told you that McCain infuriates them a good percentage of the time. The only legislation I could think of off hand before the primaries were ones I didn't agree with: McCain - Kennedy, McCain - Feingold, McCain - Lieberman. McCain sure does have a bipartisan record. Not a record alot of conservatives would be very proud of, either. The choice of Palin, in my opinion, is what energized conservatives about McCain. Personally, I think she would have made an excellent VP. If she could have done 1% of what she did for Alaska for the country, I'd have been ecstatic. Sure, she wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'd rather have her than the entire staff of Harvard to govern the country. In my opinion, it was not Palin that made McCain look bad, it was the liberal's and media's spin on Palin. I've heard all sorts of things about her from "informed" people at the University where I work.. saying things about her burning books and refusing to allow evolution to be taught in schools. Most of them were convinced that her child was her daughters fathered by her husband. I mean, it's ridiculous.

You are right that the youth had trouble relating to McCain. Obama also had a very slick campaign and used technology to his advantage. He really managed to get the younger voters out to the polls.

I'm also relieved it's over with.. But I'm also extremely nervous about what's to come. All I know is that it will be a long 4 years, and conservatives or just those that believe that freedom is the answer to the human condition will have to fight this liberal controlled congress and president on pretty much every item they have on their agenda. Soon we'll have a liberal controlled court as well. God help us then.

We've seen in the past what happens when military spending cuts are made, England, France and the US are good examples while Germany/Japan geared up before the 2nd WW!

The "US" haters have got to love this result....

The problem with universities like you mentioned is their influence over students in politics.... it's not a positive influence either. Preaching a whole lot of BS....

The media did make Palin look bad, but that was always going to happen.... part of why I think she was a bad choice. They really needed someone that could handle the media better.... it's not an after thought. It's just that when you have the media, Hollywood and Oprah backing the preacher of poetic works you need someone that can handle them.

I think too many people were swooned over by his polished rhetoric and failed to take a closer look at what this person isn't telling us and what he stands for.... and sadly, the Republican's didn't touch on this!

I think it won't be long before we all see what "Change" really means....

[QUOTE=luciddream;10636]My wife constantly calls Obama, Osama. The sad thing is it's not intentional. I don't think that we shouldn't have elected him because of his nameQUOTE]


Thats to funny :lol: I didn't mean you shouldn't have voted Obama either because of his name. But more so it was just the thought of how common people so casually mis say his name with a known terrorist name. I think it's just plain funny to me and sad and surprising. Thats all I was getting in what I ment to say :) Sorry if I came off wrong on that in what I said earlier I didn't mean to.

Please tell me you didn't find leadership in Jim Carter..


No, He got the boot after one term.... that should tell you something. lol

Thats to funny :lol: I didn't mean you shouldn't have voted Obama either because of his name. But more so it was just the thought of how common people so casually mis say his name with a known terrorist name. I think it's just plain funny to me and sad and surprising. Thats all I was getting in what I ment to say :) Sorry if I came off wrong on that in what I said earlier I didn't mean to.

I didn't take it that way. I just wanted to clarify my statements. Yesterday a local radio host told a life story that sounded like he was talking about Obama. The story he was telling happened to be Hitler's. It's stuff like that, that gets conservatives labeled as fear mongerers. I don't know if that's a word, but I'm going with it. Anyways, it bothered me at the time, and I just wanted to make it known that I wasn't comparing Obama to Osama because their names sound eerily similar.

We've seen in the past what happens when military spending cuts are made, England, France and the US are good examples while Germany/Japan geared up before the 2nd WW!

The "US" haters have got to love this result....

The problem with universities like you mentioned is their influence over students in politics.... it's not a positive influence either. Preaching a whole lot of BS....

The media did make Palin look bad, but that was always going to happen.... part of why I think she was a bad choice. They really needed someone that could handle the media better.... it's not an after thought. It's just that when you have the media, Hollywood and Oprah backing the preacher of poetic works you need someone that can handle them.

I think too many people were swooned over by his polished rhetoric and failed to take a closer look at what this person isn't telling us and what he stands for.... and sadly, the Republican's didn't touch on this!

I think it won't be long before we all see what "Change" really means....

It really says something when your enemies give their support to a certain candidate. I think people have forgotten too quickly that alot of these fundamentalists want to kill us. They don't care about sitting down and talking. Our existence alone is enough for them to want to take us out.

I don't think Palin necessarily did a bad job handling the media. She should have been a bit more prepared, but it was obvious to me, from watching the entire interviews, that the liberals in the media were doing everything they could to try to trip her up and make her look bad. Then play those clips over and over. Could McCain have picked a better VP? Probably. I can't think of one off hand that had the effect with his base as Palin did, and was able to temporarily demoralize the democrats like this pick did. I'm sure that he could have come up with someone better, though. Condi may have been an ok pick, but she has more "Bush baggage" than McCain did. Speaking of Bush baggage, I also find the whole Powell's support for Obama being touted by liberals hilarious. The day before he threw his support for Obama, he was the Bush lap dog that lied to the UN to get support for the war in most liberals views.

As far as univerisities go, when you have a guy like Bill Ayers shaping the education system in this country, what else would you expect? It is incredible, the atmosphere that is created in universities, where supposedly intelligent people don't question what they are being fed. And the pressure that is put on students to conform to "non conformity". LOL It's truly amazing that there are political science professors and history professors that distort the history of the country to serve their agendas and political parties.

You're right, conservatives didn't adequetely explain their positions or explain the ramifications of Obama's positions. They got all hung up on the radical associations that Obama kept, and instead of resinating with people, apparently it looked desperate. It has largely to do with the refusal of the media to do it's job. It's one thing when the opposing party brings these things to light, it's something else entirely when it's exposed by the media. The democrats did a good job at preempting these things by saying they would be smeared. And that's what it looked like the conservatives were doing, considering the media wouldn't run these stories. And unfortunately it seems like one of the first items on the liberal agenda is to silence those alternative media sources that provide the news that the mainstream media refuses to put out there. We will see what change means. We will see it soon. And I'm sure that most people aren't going to like it.

I really gotta stop posting these giant diatribes.. I'm just pissed and I'm being a sore loser.

I didn't take it that way. I just wanted to clarify my statements. Yesterday a local radio host told a life story that sounded like he was talking about Obama. The story he was telling happened to be Hitler's. It's stuff like that, that gets conservatives labeled as fear mongerers. I don't know if that's a word, but I'm going with it. Anyways, it bothered me at the time, and I just wanted to make it known that I wasn't comparing Obama to Osama because their names sound eerily similar.

Got ya. :D Same here as well about the names being similar.

It really says something when your enemies give their support to a certain candidate. I think people have forgotten too quickly that alot of these fundamentalists want to kill us. They don't care about sitting down and talking. Our existence alone is enough for them to want to take us out.

I don't think Palin necessarily did a bad job handling the media. She should have been a bit more prepared, but it was obvious to me, from watching the entire interviews, that the liberals in the media were doing everything they could to try to trip her up and make her look bad. Then play those clips over and over. Could McCain have picked a better VP? Probably. I can't think of one off hand that had the effect with his base as Palin did, and was able to temporarily demoralize the democrats like this pick did. I'm sure that he could have come up with someone better, though. Condi may have been an ok pick, but she has more "Bush baggage" than McCain did. Speaking of Bush baggage, I also find the whole Powell's support for Obama being touted by liberals hilarious. The day before he threw his support for Obama, he was the Bush lap dog that lied to the UN to get support for the war in most liberals views.

As far as univerisities go, when you have a guy like Bill Ayers shaping the education system in this country, what else would you expect? It is incredible, the atmosphere that is created in universities, where supposedly intelligent people don't question what they are being fed. And the pressure that is put on students to conform to "non conformity". LOL It's truly amazing that there are political science professors and history professors that distort the history of the country to serve their agendas and political parties.

You're right, conservatives didn't adequetely explain their positions or explain the ramifications of Obama's positions. They got all hung up on the radical associations that Obama kept, and instead of resinating with people, apparently it looked desperate. It has largely to do with the refusal of the media to do it's job. It's one thing when the opposing party brings these things to light, it's something else entirely when it's exposed by the media. The democrats did a good job at preempting these things by saying they would be smeared. And that's what it looked like the conservatives were doing, considering the media wouldn't run these stories. And unfortunately it seems like one of the first items on the liberal agenda is to silence those alternative media sources that provide the news that the mainstream media refuses to put out there. We will see what change means. We will see it soon. And I'm sure that most people aren't going to like it.

I really gotta stop posting these giant diatribes.. I'm just pissed and I'm being a sore loser.

don't stop unless you REALLY want to, your eloquent "unvenomed" delivery is both refreshing and appreciated. carry on...
ck

don't stop unless you REALLY want to, your eloquent "unvenomed" delivery is both refreshing and appreciated. carry on...
ck

LOL. Ok, Ok, if you insist. LOL

Thanks, btw.

Liberals in the Media? The Media is 1 big machine of poo and glue...

LOL. Ok, Ok, if you insist. LOL

Thanks, btw.

I agree with ck.... keep it up if you want to. Don't forget to breathe and take a break, I keep forgetting to do that too.... need a break at times or it all gets too gloomy!

:cheers:

You know this is the first time that I have paid attention to the places that support a particular candidate, maybe the other times I didn't care because my pick won and since Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet when Bill was running but I am finding that this type of support is going to effect where I do my business....now mind you I am talking from a pure hobbiest stand point and I am not calling for some mass boycott over the liberal supporters or anything.

Maybe it is just me being a sore loser to and maybe it will change in a few months but I would prefer honestly bigger places like that not to have a political view unless it is against someone attempting to harm the industry not an entire party....

You know this is the first time that I have paid attention to the places that support a particular candidate, maybe the other times I didn't care because my pick won and since Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet when Bill was running but I am finding that this type of support is going to effect where I do my business....now mind you I am talking from a pure hobbiest stand point and I am not calling for some mass boycott over the liberal supporters or anything.

Maybe it is just me being a sore loser to and maybe it will change in a few months but I would prefer honestly bigger places like that not to have a political view unless it is against someone attempting to harm the industry not an entire party....

I feel that any business or organization has the right to throw their support for whatever candidate or party they so choose. And it honestly shouldn't affect the way I do business, except, I do not want to patronize businesses or organizations that contribute to causes that I strongly disagree with. For example, PETA and USHS. They contribute to domestic terrorist groups and lobby against our hobby. They produce deceptive ad compaigns to make people think they are for animal welfare, when animal rights is a far cry from animal welfare. There are other so called charitable organizations and even businesses that contribute to shady organizations, and it is important to know who you are supporting with your purchases and patronage. Just like Bush League supporting conservative values, I have no problem with BP.net supporting liberal ideals.. I just won't patronize that site. Atleast they are relatively upfront about it.

That's the beauty of the internet and the personally owned sites. BP.net can support Obama, and Bush League can support McCain. You can go to both like I do, or you can avoid one or the other because they don't support the same politics as you do.
Myself, I visit the reptiles sites because of reptile stuff.

Yeah after rethinking most of that was based on me being a sore loser...:lol:

Any group that supports PETA will not get my business period. That one will never change.

Myself, I visit the reptiles sites because of reptile stuff.

Hallelujah!

I think we should invest in soup kitchens we are going to need them, we can call it "obama soups to go"

LOL. Yeah. It can be delivery, and when you order, it gets delivered to someone else.

Maybe it is just me being a sore loser to and maybe it will change in a few months but I would prefer honestly bigger places like that not to have a political view unless it is against someone attempting to harm the industry not an entire party....

Jeff, as one of the admins at BP.net - I can assure you that the site itself did not make any official endorsement of either candidate. The views shared on BP.net (in the Quarantine Room, that you have to ask to have access to and not available to someone just lurking on the site) were made by a small percentage of the membership who wanted to discuss the election, but NEVER as an official endorsement by the staff.

As you can clearly see here - I am a conservative and voted for McCain and when I dared to participate in the discussions there, always supported McCain.

I just wanted to clear that up and assure you that BP.net did not endorse either candidate.

That's the beauty of the internet and the personally owned sites. BP.net can support Obama, and Bush League can support McCain. You can go to both like I do, or you can avoid one or the other because they don't support the same politics as you do.
Myself, I visit the reptiles sites because of reptile stuff.

Teresa, as I stated above - the management of the site did not endorse Obama. We simply had a venue (The Quarantine Room - "where messy matters are discussed") that allowed certain membership to share their views, uncensored - but not in the public forums.

At no time was there ever an announcement by the staff of BP.net that stated that we endorsed one candidate over another. It has never been our mission to be a political site, but rather an educational site where membership from new members to experienced members can come together to share their love of reptiles.

Teresa, as I stated above - the management of the site did not endorse Obama. We simply had a venue (The Quarantine Room - "where messy matters are discussed") that allowed certain membership to share their views, uncensored - but not in the public forums.

At no time was there ever an announcement by the staff of BP.net that stated that we endorsed one candidate over another. It has never been our mission to be a political site, but rather an educational site where membership from new members to experienced members can come together to share their love of reptiles.

I just go there for reptiles.... :cheers:

Jeff, as one of the admins at BP.net - I can assure you that the site itself did not make any official endorsement of either candidate. The views shared on BP.net (in the Quarantine Room, that you have to ask to have access to and not available to someone just lurking on the site) were made by a small percentage of the membership who wanted to discuss the election, but NEVER as an official endorsement by the staff.

As you can clearly see here - I am a conservative and voted for McCain and when I dared to participate in the discussions there, always supported McCain.

I just wanted to clear that up and assure you that BP.net did not endorse either candidate.

I have never gone to anything but the normal reptile sections over there and I can say I haven't been back over there more than a handful of times since I joined here...

Not that I wouldn't but I just only have so much time in a day...now if people would start posting links over to there showing cool stuff I would look for sure....I made a stupid statement based on alot of other stuff not directly related and just being a normal ass at the time...

I have to go places that have killer reptiles...but good to know that it is mainly just the members...I'm sure there are some here that feel the same as they do over there but once things get rolling in a certain direction it gets hard to fight momentum.

Jeff, as one of the admins at BP.net - I can assure you that the site itself did not make any official endorsement of either candidate. The views shared on BP.net (in the Quarantine Room, that you have to ask to have access to and not available to someone just lurking on the site) were made by a small percentage of the membership who wanted to discuss the election, but NEVER as an official endorsement by the staff.

As you can clearly see here - I am a conservative and voted for McCain and when I dared to participate in the discussions there, always supported McCain.

I just wanted to clear that up and assure you that BP.net did not endorse either candidate.

Thanks for clearing that up. It was also kind of stupid for me to say that I wouldn't read that site because of an affiliation, whether it be of the members or the site in general. The point I was trying to make was that it's important to know who organizations you patronize support, but not necessarily to boycott such places because of it. I have never been over to BP.net, so I don't have any idea about what goes on over there or if it has knowledgeable people or whatever. I did, however, make a snap judgement based on what appears to be some faulty information, and I'm sorry.

Thanks for clearing that up. It was also kind of stupid for me to say that I wouldn't read that site because of an affiliation, whether it be of the members or the site in general. The point I was trying to make was that it's important to know who organizations you patronize support, but not necessarily to boycott such places because of it. I have never been over to BP.net, so I don't have any idea about what goes on over there or if it has knowledgeable people or whatever. I did, however, make a snap judgement based on what appears to be some faulty information, and I'm sorry.

Understood! :)

Just wanted to clear up the mis-conceptions!

I am actually astonished to see the large number of Obama supporters over on Ball-pythons.net. Such a stark contrast to this place.

ANy thoughts?

it does seem as though the two are in polar opposition (reptile keepers and those who favor big gov ).
most reptile keepers are vehemently against further invasion of our freedoms, as evidenced by the overwhelming fervor created by the whole big snake ban issue from earlier this year. one would think hippocritic thoughts of someone who wants to supersize their gov, while wanting to be able to supersize their serptiles too.
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it does seem as though the two are in polar opposition (reptile keepers and those who favor big gov ).
most reptile keepers are vehemently against further invasion of our freedoms, as evidenced by the overwhelming fervor created by the whole big snake ban issue from earlier this year. one would think hippocritic thoughts of someone who wants to supersize their gov, while wanting to be able to supersize their serptiles too.
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You're absolutely right. It never makes sense to me when I see people on forums say that they are voting democrat because they are less likely to mess with their herps. People don't seem to know what they are voting for or supporting. People just want "change", or they think that the democrats look out for the little guys and the republicans look out for the rich. They don't generally stop to think about exactly what it is that they support and what the policies they are advocating will do to their lives.

There have been alot of republican politicians that have lost their way, and have been advocating the ever expanding government. These are the ones that have put their names on legislation for reptile bans, but if you look into the records, more democrats have proposed such legislation than those "Republican In Name Only" politicans. I really hope, no matter what happens with the country over the next 4 years, since people will really get a taste of what they've been supporting, they will wake up and take notice of what is going on in government and what their representatives are all about. That they will learn about the principles the country was founded upon and see how far from there we have gone with what results.

You're absolutely right. It never makes sense to me when I see people on forums say that they are voting democrat because they are less likely to mess with their herps. People don't seem to know what they are voting for or supporting. People just want "change", or they think that the democrats look out for the little guys and the republicans look out for the rich. They don't generally stop to think about exactly what it is that they support and what the policies they are advocating will do to their lives.

There have been alot of republican politicians that have lost their way, and have been advocating the ever expanding government. These are the ones that have put their names on legislation for reptile bans, but if you look into the records, more democrats have proposed such legislation than those "Republican In Name Only" politicans. I really hope, no matter what happens with the country over the next 4 years, since people will really get a taste of what they've been supporting, they will wake up and take notice of what is going on in government and what their representatives are all about. That they will learn about the principles the country was founded upon and see how far from there we have gone with what results.

I hear you loud and clear!

http://www.heritage.org/ - AWESOME site!

I hear you loud and clear!

http://www.heritage.org/ - AWESOME site!

LOL. Strange coincidence, my pocket constitution and election thingy just came in the mail today. A little late, but that's cool. I've been a member over there for a little while now.

Oh, and I'm really excited that we're getting this here in Atlanta!

http://www.museumofpatriotism.org/

Oh, and I'm really excited that we're getting this here in Atlanta!

http://www.museumofpatriotism.org/

Very cool. There should be something similar in every city. :yessir:

The biggest problem with government is the politicians. I would rather vote in a leader than a politician but unfortunately getting the financial backing for an independent non-political leader is beyond difficult when the politics has seeped so deep into business and drifted away from " for the people."

I made a joke about running myself in 2012 on another forum. I talked to the missus about it and she asked what my qualifications were. We went the list comparing me to the politicians. When she said I wasn't qualified , I simply said " And those qualifications the politicians have helped us how?"

Get a leader in the big chair that is not about playing politics but about fixing what needs to be fixed and we'll be alright. Basically , stop voting in politicians and vote in one of the people.

The biggest problem with government is the politicians. I would rather vote in a leader than a politician but unfortunately getting the financial backing for an independent non-political leader is beyond difficult when the politics has seeped so deep into business and drifted away from " for the people."

I made a joke about running myself in 2012 on another forum. I talked to the missus about it and she asked what my qualifications were. We went the list comparing me to the politicians. When she said I wasn't qualified , I simply said " And those qualifications the politicians have helped us how?"

Get a leader in the big chair that is not about playing politics but about fixing what needs to be fixed and we'll be alright. Basically , stop voting in politicians and vote in one of the people.

You're absolutely right. The problem we have in this country, it seems to me, is the media's cozy relationship with the politicians and politicians making it extremely difficult for third party candidates to get on the ballot. It makes me sick when I hear about the RNC or the DNC sueing to have a third party candidate removed from the ballot. The libertarians almost lost their access to the ballot in my state and I know they weren't on the ballot in most of the states. It requires alot of money to even get your candidate to be on the ballot to begin with. It's very sad. There were alot of people that were running for president this year, most of them the majority of America never even knew were candidates. Check Baldwin ran for the Constitution Party, Bob Barr as a libertarian, Cynthia McKinney on the Green party ticket... Of those only Bob Barr was on the ballot in my state. These candidates had no access to the debates.. The media wouldn't take them seriously.. Something needs to be done to convince the "powers that be" that they need to interview everyone, not just the 2 parties that have done nothing for us, and everything to keep themselves in power. I don't know what that would be, other than going out and telling the people to get informed. In my eyes, the mainstream media officially died this campaign cycle. I don't know if there is anything that can be done to sway them back to reporting the news rather than spinning it. The only positive I see about it, though, is that alot of people now realize just how biased the media is, and may just try to find some alternative sources of information.

LOL. Strange coincidence, my pocket constitution and election thingy just came in the mail today. A little late, but that's cool. I've been a member over there for a little while now.

is that what they call that now... a pocket constitution and an election thingy ?
you crazy kids !
i can just hear it now on the street...
yo babe, let me rub my pocket constitution on 'yo election thingy !
i can follow that, just don't understand what it was doing in the mail ?
is that some more new jargon that i'm not hip to ?
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is that what they call that now... a pocket constitution and an election thingy ?
you crazy kids !
i can just hear it now on the street...
yo babe, let me rub my pocket constitution on 'yo election thingy !
i can follow that, just don't understand what it was doing in the mail ?
is that some more new jargon that i'm not hip to ?
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:lmao:

The Heritage Foundation was sending out a copy of the constitution in a small "pocket" form and their election guide to anyone who signed up for it on their website. I suppose it really didn't need an explanation, but you got one anyway.

You're absolutely right. The problem we have in this country, it seems to me, is the media's cozy relationship with the politicians and politicians making it extremely difficult for third party candidates to get on the ballot. It makes me sick when I hear about the RNC or the DNC sueing to have a third party candidate removed from the ballot. The libertarians almost lost their access to the ballot in my state and I know they weren't on the ballot in most of the states. It requires alot of money to even get your candidate to be on the ballot to begin with. It's very sad. There were alot of people that were running for president this year, most of them the majority of America never even knew were candidates. Check Baldwin ran for the Constitution Party, Bob Barr as a libertarian, Cynthia McKinney on the Green party ticket... Of those only Bob Barr was on the ballot in my state. These candidates had no access to the debates.. The media wouldn't take them seriously.. Something needs to be done to convince the "powers that be" that they need to interview everyone, not just the 2 parties that have done nothing for us, and everything to keep themselves in power. I don't know what that would be, other than going out and telling the people to get informed. In my eyes, the mainstream media officially died this campaign cycle. I don't know if there is anything that can be done to sway them back to reporting the news rather than spinning it. The only positive I see about it, though, is that alot of people now realize just how biased the media is, and may just try to find some alternative sources of information.

We had 3 - 5 folks jump on but heard about them once. It was so poorly covered I don't even remember how many exactly in our state took up the challenge.

1st, sorry if I continued the implication that BP.net endorsed either candidate. I meant to use it as a example of any site is allowed to endorse whatever they like. Since BP.net moves the politics to a quarentine forum, I don't read the threads, and therefor was only aware of the cool reptile stuff there.
2nd, we need a Businessman(woman) to run the country. If a business operated like the country does today, it would go under in short order. A moral businessperson might be able to salvage things, without bogging down in who owes which party a favor first.

I would still like to know how this guy went from a nobody in national politics, to being a US Senator, to the President in such a SHORT time.

Who is backing and grooming him?

Something just doesn't sit right with me. He rose in power way too fast.

I don't like him, I didn't vote for him, and I don't get this crazy admiration people have for him. It's really scary how some people are so devoted to him.

I really think we are going to become a full socialist society with Obama in office.

Obama worries me but the people who are blindly following him worry me even more.

I would still like to know how this guy went from a nobody in national politics, to being a US Senator, to the President in such a SHORT time.

Who is backing and grooming him?

Something just doesn't sit right with me. He rose in power way too fast.

I don't like him, I didn't vote for him, and I don't get this crazy admiration people have for him. It's really scary how some people are so devoted to him.

I really think we are going to become a full socialist society with Obama in office.

Obama worries me but the people who are blindly following him worry me even more.

There is something phony about him.... but I have a feeling we'll find out what it is pretty soon.

People just wanted change.... anyone could of won this election, people just wanted republican's out!

Welcome to Chicago politics and all that goes with it...:cheers:

I would still like to know how this guy went from a nobody in national politics, to being a US Senator, to the President in such a SHORT time.

Who is backing and grooming him?

Something just doesn't sit right with me. He rose in power way too fast.

I don't like him, I didn't vote for him, and I don't get this crazy admiration people have for him. It's really scary how some people are so devoted to him.

I really think we are going to become a full socialist society with Obama in office.

Obama worries me but the people who are blindly following him worry me even more.

My thoughts exactly. Anyone ever read the books Left Behind? Obama reminds me of Carpathia..... just saying....

My thoughts exactly. Anyone ever read the books Left Behind? Obama reminds me of Carpathia..... just saying....

:lol:

My thoughts exactly. Anyone ever read the books Left Behind? Obama reminds me of Carpathia..... just saying....

Read the books...and have had the same thoughts.

Read the books...and have had the same thoughts.

At least if I am crazy, I am not the only one! :lol:

My thoughts exactly. Anyone ever read the books Left Behind? Obama reminds me of Carpathia..... just saying....

Very true and a really scary thought.

Great, you're comparing a living person to a work of fiction. And not even very good fiction.

My thoughts exactly. Anyone ever read the books Left Behind? Obama reminds me of Carpathia..... just saying....
Has crossed my mind as well.....



What i just LOVE is this whole, first afriacan american in office the media is toting....isn't he half white?

Great, you're comparing a living person to a work of fiction. And not even very good fiction.

But its ok to compare Ted Bundy to terrorists???????
I could have compared him to Donald Duck because thats what he sounds like to me when he talks. Would that be better for you?

Has crossed my mind as well.....



What i just LOVE is this whole, first afriacan american in office the media is toting....isn't he half white?

Yes he is and he was raised by his white mother after his black father left him.....

Did anyone hear the poem part of which was "...When White can do right..."

WTF????

Yes he is and he was raised by his white mother after his black father left him.....

Did anyone hear the poem part of which was "...When White can do right..."

WTF????

I know.. They say it isn't supposed to be about race, then they make it about race anyway... Perhaps they should have added, "If you're black, don't look back" aimed toward creating the message that it is time to look ahead and stop letting the past drive one's idealogy.

I know.. They say it isn't supposed to be about race, then they make it about race anyway... Perhaps they should have added, "If you're black, don't look back" aimed toward creating the message that it is time to look ahead and stop letting the past drive one's idealogy.
You need to consider the source of the quote.
He is from the older civil rights generation and was friends with MLK.
It's hard for the people that lived thru that era to not look back.

It's when the younger crowd who never experienced the hardships of the civil rights say things like that ticks me off.

At least if I am crazy, I am not the only one! :lol:

Well add me to the crazy list as well then...cause I feel the same way :lol:

Well add me to the crazy list as well then...cause I feel the same way :lol:


Me too..!! I thought I was nuts.. :lol: When he gives speeches it's like you really want to listen... I don't know... I'm prolly just nuts!!! :yessir:

Yes he is and he was raised by his white mother after his black father left him.....

Did anyone hear the poem part of which was "...When White can do right..."

WTF????

I know.. They say it isn't supposed to be about race, then they make it about race anyway... Perhaps they should have added, "If you're black, don't look back" aimed toward creating the message that it is time to look ahead and stop letting the past drive one's idealogy.

Google the prayer (if you can call it that) and you'll find an old song with similar lyrics that he changed around a bit....

<------------------- Not a democrat, I grew up to see the effect of liberal politics, social medicine etc, so NO thank you.
or France. :lol: Hey now! lol

But you are right though, hopefully the new french president might correct decades of socialism though I really doubt it, once you give people everything, they are not gonna let you take it back.

But its ok to compare Ted Bundy to terrorists???????
I could have compared him to Donald Duck because thats what he sounds like to me when he talks. Would that be better for you?

I never compared Ted Bundy to terrorists. The point I was trying to get across was that assuming everyone with the name "Hussein" is a terrorist is like assuming everyone with the name Ted is a serial killer.

I never compared Ted Bundy to terrorists. The point I was trying to get across was that assuming everyone with the name "Hussein" is a terrorist is like assuming everyone with the name Ted is a serial killer.

Would you vote for a presidential candidate named Ted Bundy?

Would you vote for a presidential candidate named Ted Bundy?

If I thought he was the better candidate? Yes, I would. Your name is given to you by your parents. It has nothing to do with what kind of person you are. One of my cousins named his son "Connor" after John Connor from Terminator. I sure as hell don't think he's going to lead a human resistance against machines in the future.

If I thought he was the better candidate? Yes, I would. Your name is given to you by your parents. It has nothing to do with what kind of person you are. One of my cousins named his son "Connor" after John Connor from Terminator. I sure as hell don't think he's going to lead a human resistance against machines in the future.

:lol: You are reaching now.... I doubt anyone with the name Ted Bundy would ever get voted into office... of course I never though anyone name Hussein would either.....

II sure as hell don't think he's going to lead a human resistance against machines in the future.

How do you know he won't, we cannot predict the future and I'll be quite frank with you.... I don't like the way my washing machine looks at me. :cheers:

How do you know he won't, we cannot predict the future and I'll be quite frank with you.... I don't like the way my washing machine looks at me. :cheers:
I thought I was the only one!!!! :devil:

How do you know he won't, we cannot predict the future and I'll be quite frank with you.... I don't like the way my washing machine looks at me. :cheers:

:lol:

I thought I was the only one!!!! :devil:

I swear, when it's bouncing around, no matter where I stand it heads in that direction.... just creepy! :eek:

:lol: You are reaching now....

Just trying to lighten the mood a little, it was getting a little too serious for my tastes. :p

Anyways, how abouts we just go back to agreeing to disagree on this subject? After all, isn't that what's great about being American? :yessir:

I swear, when it's bouncing around, no matter where I stand it heads in that direction.... just creepy! :eek:
Shoot it!

I swear, when it's bouncing around, no matter where I stand it heads in that direction.... just creepy! :eek:
It is just you magnetic personality Scott!

Just trying to lighten the mood a little, it was getting a little too serious for my tastes. :p

Anyways, how abouts we just go back to agreeing to disagree on this subject? After all, isn't that what's great about being American? :yessir:

Yes sir it is. I get little heated on this subject and know I shouldnt... not a damn thing I can do about it except vote and I did that......

Hey look! Dancing bananas!!!

:wamma::wamma::wamma:

Yes sir it is. I get little heated on this subject and know I shouldnt... not a damn thing I can do about it except vote and I did that......

Hey look! Dancing bananas!!!

:wamma::wamma::wamma:

Roger!!! I at least hope something good comes of his election, but I'm not holding my breath... LOL

Yes sir it is. I get little heated on this subject and know I shouldnt... not a damn thing I can do about it except vote and I did that......

Hey look! Dancing bananas!!!

:wamma::wamma::wamma:

I'll see your bananas... :wamma::wamma::wamma:
and raise you some beers! :cheers:

I'll see your bananas... :wamma::wamma::wamma:
and raise you some beers! :cheers:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

The majority of posters on BP.net are liberals...Liz summed it up pretty good...But your right - A very stark contrast to the BLBC...

I don't call myself a democrat or a republican. I'm a registered independent, and always vote for the candidate who I think will do the best.

However, I believe that regardless of who is in office, herpers should always abide by the laws so that the right to keep reptiles remains intact and legal.

I don't participate on BP.net anymore even though I think there is a lot of good info on that forum. They were so "liberal" that they refused to do anything about a member who openly bragged about breaking the law (regarding reptile ownership). I thought that it was this type of thing that is damaging to the hobby. Their mods told me that I was being "too negative."

Pretty liberal, eh?

can I say this is my main site now!!!!!!!!!! BP is loaded with idiots,see lots of the people that are'nt the idiots over here,like it here much better!

I don't call myself a democrat or a republican. I'm a registered independent, and always vote for the candidate who I think will do the best.

However, I believe that regardless of who is in office, herpers should always abide by the laws so that the right to keep reptiles remains intact and legal.

I don't participate on BP.net anymore even though I think there is a lot of good info on that forum. They were so "liberal" that they refused to do anything about a member who openly bragged about breaking the law (regarding reptile ownership). I thought that it was this type of thing that is damaging to the hobby. Their mods told me that I was being "too negative."

Pretty liberal, eh?

I'm right there with ya man. I don't consider myself a republican or a democrat. I am a conservative/libertarian and I don't believe either party represents what I truly believe. After getting caught up in a couple of political discussions over at Bp.net and getting slammed as a "Bush lover" and having people get really down right personal because I disagree with just about everything that Obama has said and done (which by the way are almost always 2 different things) I just gave it up over there.

I love the Bush League! :yessir:

Wow I guess the saying...."Your either with BLBC, or against em"......is true

WHAT HAS OBAMA SAID? NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! HAS'NT SAID ANYTHING THAT HAS ANY MEANING TO IT. NOBODY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX WHAT HAS HAPPEN. SPENDING A TRILLION DOLLARS TO TRY TO FIX IT IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS.HEY WHERE DID THE FIRST 350 BILLION GO? NOBODY KNOWS! ITS GONE .

Wow I guess the saying...."Your either with BLBC, or against em"......is true

Sorry Pat, but what the hell does that mean?

I'm right there with ya man. I don't consider myself a republican or a democrat. I am a conservative/libertarian and I don't believe either party represents what I truly believe. After getting caught up in a couple of political discussions over at Bp.net and getting slammed as a "Bush lover" and having people get really down right personal because I disagree with just about everything that Obama has said and done (which by the way are almost always 2 different things) I just gave it up over there.

I love the Bush League! :yessir:

I dunno - I'm able to enjoy BOTH forums. You are aware that the QT part of BP.net isn't representative of BP.net as a whole - it's a completely off topic section of the site? I'm a repbulican, and I hated the debates in QT as well, but I didn't measure the rest of the site against a few people who disagreed with me.

What's ironic is that most of the staff is also republican - we allowed people to debate the politics in the QT room. Had we not allowed open discussion, we would have been accused of censorship. Part of running a forum though, is recognizing that you can't please every body.

WHAT HAS OBAMA SAID? NOTHING BUT HOGWASH! HAS'NT SAID ANYTHING THAT HAS ANY MEANING TO IT. NOBODY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX WHAT HAS HAPPEN. SPENDING A TRILLION DOLLARS TO TRY TO FIX IT IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS.HEY WHERE DID THE FIRST 350 BILLION GO? NOBODY KNOWS! ITS GONE .
The same can be said of McCain and Palin. As far as I'm concerned, it's pointless to argue about it. Regardless of who you voted for, Obama IS the new president. McCain would have been just as screwed as far as the economy goes if he would have won.

That's the beauty of the internet and the personally owned sites. BP.net can support Obama, and Bush League can support McCain. You can go to both like I do, or you can avoid one or the other because they don't support the same politics as you do.
Myself, I visit the reptiles sites because of reptile stuff.

AMEN

Thats the truth! They should get some DNA from Reagan & clone him!:) If only we could!

I sure as hell ain't against the BLBC (have you seen some of the characters here :lol:) but politics aside BP.net just isn't my brand of whiskey.

If you point me to a thread over there with a cool picture then I am all over it but not to get into the mix...I am all for looking at badass reptiles.

I sure as hell ain't against the BLBC (have you seen some of the characters here :lol:) but politics aside BP.net just isn't my brand of whiskey.

If you point me to a thread over there with a cool picture then I am all over it but not to get into the mix...I am all for looking at badass reptiles.

I agree. I'll visit the site anytime to check out the great photos...I just don't login or participate anymore.

Thats the truth! They should get some DNA from Reagan & clone him!:) If only we could!
Reagan was the first President I voted for but he wasn't perfect. Massive deficit spending. Lets not forget amnesty to all illegal aliens. Iran contra.
That deficit caused my favorite President to raise taxes. Cost him his reelection. George Bush 41.
That action helped push us in the right direction that Clinton continued.
Bush 43 squandered it and now Obama needs to make the tough choices to turn us in the right direction just as Bush 41 did.
Lets hope he can do it . :cheers: