Is to keep pounding them with the food...I keep feeding twice a week - Sometimes 3 times a week with smaller meals and keep pairing them up with females...They'll usually stop eating in mid Jan to early Feb...You want them fat enough to keep going and to be able to lose some weight without getting to thin if that make sany sense...

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Thats is intresting. Most the time you here fat males make lazy breeders.

:master:

Keep in mind that these young males are going to work their asses off during the breeding season so the extra weight gets burned pretty fast..IMO

Thats is intresting. Most the time you here fat males make lazy breeders.

:master:

Fat older males are typically lazy breeders...In my experience with young males - Their horny - Doesn't matter if their fat or skinny...I get mine good and fat because they will stop eating and I want that extra weight on them so they'll last thru the season...Works for me...:yessir:

Interesting and makes sense. Hell, my adult normal male quits eating about this time every year and wont eat again until February/March time frame. He has never been bred!

Interesting and makes sense. Hell, my adult normal male quits eating about this time every year and wont eat again until February/March time frame. He has never been bred!

I have the same problem with one of my Adult normal males. Who has never been bred either.

I have an 02 het Pied male that only eats 6 months out the year...Same thing like clock work every year - What can you do...

Thanks for the tip BT. I've got a few young males I'm hoping will do a little work for me this season.

Thats is intresting. Most the time you here fat males make lazy breeders.

:master:

maybe fat old males !
not them chubby youngin's though !
ck

Thanks for the tip, I have a couple youngsers that I swear are gay.

I bred a couple of young males this past season and it work pretty well. But after seeing just how hard it can be on them, especially if they stop eating early, I will wait until they have a year under their belt. JP

I bred a couple of young males this past season and it work pretty well. But after seeing just how hard it can be on them, especially if they stop eating early, I will wait until they have a year under their belt. JP

He's alive...:yessir:

I was thinking I'd like to get a couple of my early 08s up to size and breeding this season -- but after seeing some of my one and two year olds go off feed and wither down to nothing -- I admit to being much too chicken -- the spinner might go as I don't think he'd ever refuse a meal -- but otherwise I'll be living vicariously through you boys. :master:

My young males never go off feed? Maybe because I dont cool them?

My young males never go off feed? Maybe because I dont cool them?

I don't cool mine near as much as the females either..

I don't cool mine near as much as the females either..

Do yours go off food? Just seeing if its just me or not lol...

Mine go off feed reguardless if I cool them or not...Must be that smell in the air...:rockon:

Do yours go off food? Just seeing if its just me or not lol...

Some do, some don't. It seems that they don't kick off feed til late in the season..

Must be me then lol.. I couldnt make mine go off feed. Hell even my females eat up to ovulation. Make sme wish I raised my own rodents lol.

Must be that East River water they're drinking..;)

My females will usually feed right up to ovulation -- but my males will start dropping off shortly after I start pairing them up -- I don't cool much -- heat is stays the same but I cool the room by cracking the window -- but around here it's still quite warm until January.

I'm really pounding my one 08 male.. I hope he'll start getting the idea.. I've paired him up twice now but he's not really done much.. But he's only 400g... I'll keep putting the rats to him and maybe he'll take off..

Alan

I didn't cool my males last year either. In fact I don't keep them above 88 degrees all year long. Ambient temps fall to about 74 in the winter. I just am not nearly as happy with the size and appearance of my 07 male POG as I am with the 06 guys that had an extra year before going thru the vigors of breeding. JP

P.S. Yes alive. Don't you got a Pastel girl for that boy or what :cool:

P.S. Yes alive. Don't you got a Pastel girl for that boy or what :cool:

Yep - I got a few special girls lined up for little man...:yessir:

Thanks for the tip BT.

All of my males eat during the breeding season and get fed while on break.... :)

Great advice BT!

My first breeding ever was with a pastel I had bought back in Oct 06' he was a early-mid 06' and was about 200g's + or - a gram or two and I fed him 2-3x's a week a sm. rat and by Jan-Feb he was 450-500g's and trying his hardest with a monster female I had at the time.

But what about the males that just wont do the deed?

Anyway to spark their interest?

I have a 550 gram pin that's for sure a fruit.

I also have a 420ish gram mojave that also has shown 0 interest... any idea on how to spark them into getting their groove on?

My 500g lesser just shed and I got him in with the pastel girl about 3:00 today. checked on him a little while ago he was piled up on top of her. So we will see. My pied male was about 500g and he produced one clutch for me last year. He only ate about 6 times the whole breeding season. My pinstripe boy is growing like a weed. Haven't paired him yet. Pinstripe took a couple meals to get switched over to rats but he is well on his on way now. I will probably give him his first shot at the ladies in the next couple of days. Thanks for the tips BT I needed them. :yourock:

I just need the luck of BT........ :)

But what about the males that just wont do the deed?

Anyway to spark their interest?

I have a 550 gram pin that's for sure a fruit.

I also have a 420ish gram mojave that also has shown 0 interest... any idea on how to spark them into getting their groove on?

Some just take longer to mature.... and sometimes, you just may of missed seeing it!

You can always try a little combat... but be careful. A person I know locally stuck a pastel male in with a similar sized BEL, both around 400g and the pastel killed the BEL.

Damn that sucks. I don't know if I could look at the lil pastel the same..

Alan

But what about the males that just wont do the deed?

Anyway to spark their interest?

I have a 550 gram pin that's for sure a fruit.

I also have a 420ish gram mojave that also has shown 0 interest... any idea on how to spark them into getting their groove on?

jason
take 'em for a car ride... just bag the animals (separately) put 'em in the trunk, drive around for an hour or so, put 'em in with the smallest female breeders first.
small males have bigger aspirations (in my opinion) if you start 'em off on smaller girls first. try it, but make sure they took at least a few days off feed first, don't want 'em to hurl in your ride.
let me know if this helps,
ck

jason
take 'em for a car ride... just bag the animals (separately) put 'em in the trunk, drive around for an hour or so, put 'em in with the smallest female breeders first.
small males have bigger aspirations (in my opinion) if you start 'em off on smaller girls first. try it, but make sure they took at least a few days off feed first, don't want 'em to hurl in your ride.
let me know if this helps,
ck

Ive heard of this trick for fasting animals... but not for fruity males... I might have to give to give it a shot... lololol

Good luck with the lesser bee BT. He will make some hot babies.

But what about the males that just wont do the deed?

Anyway to spark their interest?

I have a 550 gram pin that's for sure a fruit.

I also have a 420ish gram mojave that also has shown 0 interest... any idea on how to spark them into getting their groove on?

Just show them the door to the freezer. They will get the idea quick! LOL J/K!!

Just show them the door to the freezer. They will get the idea quick! LOL J/K!!

ouch!!!!

Thanks for the info. BT. I'm going to give a couple of young males a try this year. Hopefully some of that BT luck will rub off this way.