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smilin-buddha
10-07-2009, 02:06 PM
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anendeloflorien
10-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Very nice man! Congrats :D Are those just straight womas or is one of them a hybrid?

smilin-buddha
10-07-2009, 02:17 PM
No a Keogan Line female. Being bred by a light unrelated Male.
I hatch more than Hybrids :rebel::yessir:

anendeloflorien
10-07-2009, 02:18 PM
No a Keogan Line female. Being bred by a light unrelated Male.
I hatch more than Hybrids :rebel::yessir:

lol suuuuuuuuure you do :cheers: J/k they look pretty cool man! Good luck with em! Are you planning to do any breeding with the Wall this year?

smilin-buddha
10-07-2009, 02:25 PM
Maybe not sure to what yet. But I have some ideas brewing

tokaysunlimited
10-07-2009, 02:31 PM
Good luck man!!!!!!

FloridaHogs
10-07-2009, 02:37 PM
Not a bad start!

Tama
10-07-2009, 05:44 PM
That's a very nice start. Hope they figure it out.

JChandler
10-07-2009, 05:45 PM
Looks good man, congrats and good luck!

Can't wait to grow up some girls so I can see that site in a few years :cheers:

BallPythons9
10-07-2009, 05:52 PM
Good luck!

MikeCurtin
10-07-2009, 06:57 PM
Can I get a "You can do it!!!!", everybody?

Hope he gets it right, Todd!

tfs
10-07-2009, 08:30 PM
Best wishes

norsmis
10-07-2009, 08:42 PM
Good luck bro! Love those carrot heads!

k-arbogast
10-08-2009, 12:57 PM
Sweet! Always good to get some early action going.

smilin-buddha
10-08-2009, 04:06 PM
I am so hoping this is the year. I also have three other females that should be ready in the next year or two.

pwilliams58
10-08-2009, 04:11 PM
Nice!

smilin-buddha
10-12-2009, 01:54 PM
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smilin-buddha
10-23-2009, 09:14 AM
Seems like I am seeing a lot more locks than last year.

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smilin-buddha
11-11-2009, 07:26 AM
They have been going at it since October. Maybe I will hit it this year.
Cold front coming the BHp will be back together also

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Coming up for air
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Mrs. Sputnik
11-11-2009, 09:10 AM
Congrats

smilin-buddha
11-11-2009, 09:57 AM
I think it might be ovulation. But I am not sure

Tim
11-11-2009, 10:33 AM
I think it might be ovulation. But I am not sure

be careful, it is hard to tell from that angle, but I would be more inclined to think it is the start of vitellogenesis (yolk development) and early follicle development at this point (which is often mistaken for ovulation)... Which is still good! Don't seperate though (or only seperate for a week or so)...

One thing that I have noticed with womas is they seem to breed like crazy both right before vitellogensis and then again right before ovulation - but it seems to slow a bit after each - so, if she is not a "willing" partner for the next week or so, it is ok - even give the male a break and a snack if you want - but breeding will resume shortly if it is in fact just early development.

Good luck with them! and either way, it is a promising sign!

147BOAS
11-11-2009, 10:38 AM
very nice and good luck

smilin-buddha
11-11-2009, 11:17 AM
be careful, it is hard to tell from that angle, but I would be more inclined to think it is the start of vitellogenesis (yolk development) and early follicle development at this point (which is often mistaken for ovulation)... Which is still good! Don't seperate though (or only seperate for a week or so)...

One thing that I have noticed with womas is they seem to breed like crazy both right before vitellogensis and then again right before ovulation - but it seems to slow a bit after each - so, if she is not a "willing" partner for the next week or so, it is ok - even give the male a break and a snack if you want - but breeding will resume shortly if it is in fact just early development.

Good luck with them! and either way, it is a promising sign!

They have been breeding since October. I do not plan to separate. He went off feed in October. She eats all the time. Actually I think she has been to fat on earlier attempts and has been on a diet for some time. Fingers crossed.

xanaxez
11-11-2009, 03:25 PM
Very nice start and good luck. :cheers:

Larry
11-11-2009, 03:40 PM
Good luck brother.. Hopefully you'll hit on a nice early clutch..

FRoberts
11-13-2009, 04:07 PM
Good luck with all your pairings, I love the Wall hybrid!!!

smilin-buddha
11-13-2009, 06:44 PM
HE is still trying. My wife is going to think I am a pervert. Sorry for all the pictures. I am a little excited about producing these.


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Sara
11-14-2009, 04:46 PM
And we are excited for you, and waiting to see what happens! Congrats!

FRoberts
11-14-2009, 04:48 PM
And we are excited for you, and waiting to see what happens! Congrats!

I concur!!!! :cheers:

Charles Shanklin
11-18-2009, 06:40 PM
You are a pervert, your looking at a snakes snake LOL.

constrictorkeeper
11-20-2009, 12:00 PM
good luck evan !
here's to big healthy hatchlings !
ck

smilin-buddha
11-27-2009, 03:29 PM
She looks swollen

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MikeCurtin
11-27-2009, 03:48 PM
She's gettin' HUGE!!! Read your quote over a couple of times, and picture that girl all fat and full of eggs basking belly up!! Can't wait to see some shots of that. This is the year, Todd!

Sara
11-27-2009, 07:35 PM
Woah momma, she's swollen! Yay!

smilin-buddha
12-11-2009, 06:47 PM
Sorry if you are getting sick of the update shots


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MikeCurtin
12-11-2009, 06:57 PM
Not at all!

bob-978
12-15-2009, 06:27 PM
good luck man

dempserg
12-15-2009, 06:37 PM
Soooo jealous. I really need a pair or two. Get some eggs already!!!!! Awesome animals.

Rob

smilin-buddha
12-15-2009, 06:58 PM
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Sara
12-15-2009, 11:47 PM
Goodness! She looks like if ya just squeezed her a little bit... lol!

Wild Bill
12-16-2009, 02:38 PM
Wow, looking good man!!! :yessir: She looks huge!!!

FRoberts
12-16-2009, 03:19 PM
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She looks like she will be inverting soon!!!!!!!!!! :rockon:

Sputnik
12-16-2009, 05:42 PM
Very cool, congrats! :rockon:

smilin-buddha
12-19-2009, 08:18 AM
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bhmorrill
12-20-2009, 11:19 AM
Looks like she is progressing nicely! Obviously hasn't had her pre-lay shed yet huh? Either way, can't be too much longer. Good luck with them, nothing much better than carrot tops coming out of pearly whites :)

smilin-buddha
12-20-2009, 11:31 AM
Actually she shed yesterday. Not sure if the picture is before or after. She is a little Dark, but dad is light. Think he might get moved out. Time to set up the incubator. Almost thought of maternal incubation.

Tim
12-24-2009, 07:54 PM
Actually she shed yesterday. Not sure if the picture is before or after. She is a little Dark, but dad is light. Think he might get moved out. Time to set up the incubator. Almost thought of maternal incubation.

good luck with her man!

If you decide to do the MI, let me know and keep me posted... I am seriously considering letting one of my womas try it this year. I have never tried MI before, but I am certainly curious...

smilin-buddha
01-01-2010, 08:44 PM
Looking good


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MikeCurtin
01-01-2010, 11:00 PM
Holy fat sweetness, Todd!!!

smilin-buddha
01-01-2010, 11:05 PM
I bought more boxes for eggs tonight. Also have a buddy loaning me a second bigger incubator. She looks loaded.

MikeCurtin
01-02-2010, 02:26 AM
I'm almost definitely doing MI this year....that is, if I have more than 1 clutch.

FRoberts
01-02-2010, 01:29 PM
Told ya she would be inverting soon....looking real good!!!

Tom Keogan
01-09-2010, 09:59 AM
What's the latest update?

constrictorkeeper
01-09-2010, 11:55 AM
nicely inverted !
good luck,
ck

smilin-buddha
01-09-2010, 06:42 PM
Well she is not to happy and seems to be cruising the cage. I think this might be the year. I tried to get the best shots, but with her size and her cruising it was not easy

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Wil
01-12-2010, 08:44 PM
I sure looks like you will be getting some eggs. Is she in shed right now?
Good luck.

MikeCurtin
01-12-2010, 09:10 PM
Haha! She's Huuuuge!

smilin-buddha
01-12-2010, 09:39 PM
She has already shed. I guess she is dark with eggs. She is a monster. 5 years old and her first clutch. IT should be large.


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MikeCurtin
01-12-2010, 09:41 PM
Almost thought of maternal incubation.

Oh, yeah....BTW...wuss!:lmao:

Just kiddin'.....I may give it a shot and let you know how it works out.:cheers:

smilin-buddha
01-13-2010, 06:20 AM
I still may try if I could split up the clutch. It is possible. This is the first time I have almost produced Womas. I do not want to risk my first carrot head hatch

FRoberts
01-13-2010, 08:09 AM
looks like she is going to pop !!!

smilin-buddha
01-13-2010, 08:36 AM
Funny enough she is easier to work with right now. I can move her and clean the cage. Normally she is a little pissy

MikeCurtin
01-13-2010, 12:45 PM
I still may try if I could split up the clutch. It is possible. This is the first time I have almost produced Womas. I do not want to risk my first carrot head hatch
I honestly don't blame you. It's easier to take risks after you've already been successful using standard procedures.:cheers:

Funny enough she is easier to work with right now. I can move her and clean the cage. Normally she is a little pissy
That's 'cause she's miserably fat!!!!!:eek:

smilin-buddha
01-20-2010, 10:34 PM
I am pleased to announce we have eggs. 10 good three duds. One I had to manipulate out of her. She looks spent.

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Her nose and head took a beating I started to put some neosporin on it. Thanks for all the tips.

jknudson
01-20-2010, 10:43 PM
Big congrats, great looking eggs! I'm sure she'll be glad to have some rest and rats! :cheers:

Sara
01-20-2010, 11:57 PM
Congratulations!!! Now she gets a good rest and tlc, and you get to go thru the second round of waiting, lol!! Can't wait for the new baby pics!

MikeCurtin
01-22-2010, 12:24 AM
Wooohoooo!!!! One of my girls always looks like she's been through a war by the time she gets to this point! Diggin' and rubbin' and nestin' really beats them up. All the best to you with incubation. It may not hurt to go a little bigger on the egg box if possible.

smilin-buddha
01-22-2010, 05:58 AM
I already split up the clutch. I had ten minutes at home between jobs the other day when she laid

kare
01-22-2010, 08:22 AM
WOW! Good luck on getting some beautiful hatchlings. 10 eggs is a nice clutch.

Larry
01-22-2010, 08:35 AM
Awesome man....http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/NetBuM/you-can-do-it.jpg.......:rockon:

Larry
01-22-2010, 08:35 AM
ps Please please keep us updated on the incubation process..

Sputnik
01-22-2010, 12:26 PM
That's great to see, congrats on the eggs and good luck with em.... :cheers:

smilin-buddha
01-22-2010, 12:29 PM
Everything I own is crossed. It has been a long haul getting to this stage. I just hope I do not screw up the eggs. :rebel:

MikeCurtin
01-23-2010, 12:40 AM
Everything I own is crossed. It has been a long haul getting to this stage. I just hope I do not screw up the eggs. :rebel:

I'm sure you'll do fine! Just remember.....keep 'em on the dry side.:cheers:

Tim
01-23-2010, 01:51 PM
Congrats man!

Good luck w/ those eggs! Keep em a bit dry and I am sure in a couple months you will have some little orange heads poking out...

jonf
01-23-2010, 09:29 PM
congrats man!!! Looking forward to seeing some little orange heads! :cheers:

smilin-buddha
01-30-2010, 07:53 AM
Lost one egg yesterday

Jah Luv
01-30-2010, 08:29 AM
Big Congrats...

norsmis
01-30-2010, 10:12 AM
Congrats man!

Good luck w/ those eggs! Keep em a bit dry and I am sure in a couple months you will have some little orange heads poking out...

Yeppers! That is the biggest mistake by most people is too much moisture. Good luck bro!

smilin-buddha
02-02-2010, 09:43 AM
Things are returning to normal with the female Woma
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4324699141_9b0ca3402e.jpg

MikeCurtin
02-02-2010, 09:52 AM
George, did you just conratulate him for losing an egg? WTF?

Aaaah, yes....womas love to eat!

Derek Roddy
02-02-2010, 11:02 AM
Things are returning to normal with the female Woma
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4324699141_9b0ca3402e.jpg

:lmao:looks like it.

How are the eggs holding up?

Did you change out any of the substrate? Remember...don't do it all at once....make it gradual.... if you're going to do it.

D.

Dave
02-02-2010, 08:05 PM
Looks like the female is a real joy lol. Sorry you lost one, but good luck with the rest!

FRoberts
02-02-2010, 09:57 PM
Things are returning to normal with the female Woma
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4324699141_9b0ca3402e.jpg

:lol: gatta love them woma's :)

smilin-buddha
03-09-2010, 06:18 PM
Looks like I have lost them all. Think I need a new hobby

:mad:

This really hurts

MikeCurtin
03-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Looks like I have lost them all. Think I need a new hobby

:mad:

This really hurts

Hey!!! Enough of that noise!!!! What happened to your Evan Tanner quote, beeotch?!?!?! Sorry I took the liberty, but it seems like you needed a good ol' internet forum slap to snap you out of it.

Sorry you lost them. Did you document anything? I hatched 1 of 15 my first year with womas, and it sucked....really bad. On the plus side, I kept the second clutch from a different female that year considerably drier and managed 9 of 14. You've got one year under your belt, and I'm sure you may have an idea of where you went wrong. It's time to reach out and tweak your incubation methods like a big ol' nipple!!! :yes:

Hope this helps a little....you will succeed! :cheers:

jonf
03-10-2010, 09:19 PM
sorry to hear that. Keep the faith though. Don't give up. I know this isn't very much consolation but you got the pair to mate and you got her to lay eggs - that's something right? And like Mike said, you've got a year under your belt now. It can only get better from here.

jgjulander
03-11-2010, 11:54 AM
Congrats on the nice clutch! Womas rule. Looks like your girl has the typical post-egg laying huger. Good luck beefing her back up.
Justin

norsmis
03-11-2010, 12:19 PM
Hey!!! Enough of that noise!!!! What happened to your Evan Tanner quote, beeotch?!?!?! Sorry I took the liberty, but it seems like you needed a good ol' internet forum slap to snap you out of it.

Sorry you lost them. Did you document anything? I hatched 1 of 15 my first year with womas, and it sucked....really bad. On the plus side, I kept the second clutch from a different female that year considerably drier and managed 9 of 14. You've got one year under your belt, and I'm sure you may have an idea of where you went wrong. It's time to reach out and tweak your incubation methods like a big ol' nipple!!! :yes:

Hope this helps a little....you will succeed! :cheers:

I agree on the moisture thing bro. I incubated mine so dry I thought they would surely go bad but had 7 of 9 hatch for me. Its gotta be DRY for them. From what I hear, this is the biggest mistake most people make with woma eggs.
Better luck next time bro! And keep your chin up man! It happens!!!!!!

HulihZack
03-11-2010, 02:52 PM
Hey, you've gotten further than a lot of people! If breeders gave up after one failure we wouldn't have a reptile industry. Hang in there, it'll pay off.

smilin-buddha
03-18-2010, 05:41 PM
Well today was day 58 I was pretty sure they were dead, but wanted to check so I cut them and I was right. Hope everyone else has better luck this year.

FRoberts
03-18-2010, 05:42 PM
Sorry to hear.....I hate when that happens...we all know what your feeling...

MikeCurtin
03-18-2010, 07:11 PM
Thanks, Todd. Next year will be better for you as well.

kare
03-18-2010, 07:13 PM
So sorry, Todd. It'll be better next year! You've learned alot already about them.