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SublimeBoa
10-14-2009, 07:24 AM
Well, I thought I had me a good operation going, since it's worked for so long without any problems. I use indented kraft paper (http://www.uline.com/BL_1961/Indented-Kraft-Paper?searchedkeywords=indented%20kraft%20paper) as a substrate, and at first just laid it in the cage. Then they figured out they could hide underneath it, but the roughness of the 60 lb paper was causing nose rubs to develop, and I don't like my snakes with scabs on their noses. So I started taping down the edges of the paper.
This has worked really well for me over the yrs I been doing it, although I admit the whole taping down the edges is a big pain in the butt.

Well recently, I obtained a nice little BC Sabogae. Been wanting one for a while now, and finally got one. He's a tiny little guy. About as big as a night crawler and probably doesn't weigh any more then one either. He hazed over after eating a couple mouse crawlers, and was just at the state where he's clearing up. That means 3-4 days before he sloughs his skin.

So I bring up his humidity a little and start keeping a closer eye on him, waiting for the big moment of his first shed in my care. That's to me is always a special moment. I come home Monday after noon from work, and go check on him, and I don't see him in his hide where he's been since he started the ecdysis process. So I look around the cage, and there he is, just laying there stretched out with tight little "S" shapes running the length of his body. I reach in and touch him, he's cold, and didn't move. My heart just sank. :(

So I go to pick him up, and he had a go at me. Tried pretty hard anyway. Can't hold that against him though. The poor dude worked loose a piece of the tape, and managed to stick his entire belly to it. I'm sure he was quite upset about it. So I patiently unstick him from the tape, and carefully examine him. Seems the tape forced his slough to happen a couple days early, as it was also stuck in pieces to the tape.

You might think, "no biggy", but in reality, it is. To me anyway. Ecdysis is a very delicate process of fluid and chemical exchanges in the body and dermis and it's really important that they complete this process before they lose the old skin. By forcing the old skin off early, you risk permanent scarring and skin fungi problems. You don't want either one, believe me. It's one thing to have a messed up snake, quite another to know it's your fault.

So, we got him cleaned up, soaked real well, and examined again. Unfortunately, he may have some scarring from the ordeal, which saddens me to no end. :( I am hoping after a couple more sheds, it will clear up the splotches and rough scales left behind by this ordeal. Can't do much more then that except keep him in hospital like conditions till his next shed to prevent any fungal problems.

MORAL of the story:

Learn from my mistake. Many people have voiced a liking to the method I use for the substrate. That's fine, but you will no longer find any tape in my cages. Tape and snakes is an evil combination. PLEASE KEEP TAPE OUT OF THE ENCLOSURES.

It just absolutely kills me to think of what this poor little guy went through.

I hope someone learns from this, is the only reason I am sharing this embarrassment. Take heed, please.
Rick

JChandler
10-14-2009, 07:43 AM
Good lord man I am glad he is alive!

Damn what an ordeal....

Danny
10-14-2009, 07:47 AM
I hope there's no permanent damage to the little boa. I have heard of similar incidents and they turned out just fine after a shed or two, hope your does too!
Thank you for sharing. Why was he cold though?

Out of curiosity, what made you tape the paper along the edges? Is it just that you want to be able to see the snakes all the time and you don't want them under the paper?

SublimeBoa
10-14-2009, 07:55 AM
Nose rubs, like I mentioned above...

http://www.sublimeboa.com/Content/Photos/Rosy/03-21-09/DSC_0663.JPG

They sure don't make that beautiful Sunglow look any better. That scar will be there for life.

Danny
10-14-2009, 08:03 AM
Is that type of paper substrate abrasive on its lower side? I've never used it...

SublimeBoa
10-14-2009, 08:08 AM
It's 60 pound paper, so it's pretty thick. The indention's help them with mobility is why I like it. They slide around on the smoother stuff. But the indention's are on both sides, so it rubs their nose.

Otherwise it's pretty good substrate.

Tama
10-14-2009, 08:08 AM
Sounds like the little guy will be okay and that is good. Sorry you had to go through this but as you said -- live and learn.

Danny
10-14-2009, 08:12 AM
That explains it then! I'm a bit slow today :lol:

SublimeBoa
10-14-2009, 08:14 AM
Sounds like the little guy will be okay and that is good. Sorry you had to go through this but as you said -- live and learn.

Yeah, just think, if I wasn't so anal about checking on them a couple times a day, and only did rounds every few days like some...I'd probably be out one Sabogae right now. :(

Live and learn. Tape is for boxes.

norsmis
10-14-2009, 08:17 AM
Man Rick I hope the little guy comes out ok. Its weird how you can do do something for years with no problems and then BANG! That one incident happens!
Good luck with him bro!

Wild Bill
10-14-2009, 10:21 AM
Sorry to hear that Rick, keep us updated on his condition.

SublimeBoa
10-14-2009, 06:29 PM
Thanks guys. I am hoping for the best. We'll see in time.

Of course you know, since I have to pay him so much more attention right now, he's likely to become my favorite. I seem to attach myself to the "patients". LOL

Alicia Holmes
10-14-2009, 10:07 PM
Nothin wrong with making him a favorite :D i think the little worms are just going to end up having that effect on ANYONE that owns one.....

Little goobers....

kare
10-14-2009, 10:28 PM
I hope all turns out well for him. Poor little guy. Thanks for sharing the lesson.

SublimeBoa
11-14-2009, 10:38 PM
WOO HOO!!


Just got a perfect shed off him like 5 minutes ago and not a scratch, mark or flaw can be seen on his new skin.

You don't know just how jazzed I am. :cheers:

JChandler
11-14-2009, 10:39 PM
That is great news!

JOHNS6068
11-14-2009, 10:50 PM
Now you know were gonna needs pictures :lol: Congrats that is awesome :cheers:

Sara
11-15-2009, 12:15 AM
Congrats!!! Happy to hear it!

Rapture
11-15-2009, 01:53 AM
Thanks for sharing. I had a snake get stuck on tape once and now I make absolutely sure there's no tape around any of the snakes. They really mess themselves up on that stuff don't they? Glad to hear he is looking good after his shed. Maybe you can add some heavy stuff to the enclosures to keep the paper down like branches or rocks, maybe a couple of bricks in the corners?

norsmis
11-15-2009, 05:38 AM
Good news Rick! Glad he is good to go!

J-N. Turcotte
11-18-2009, 07:25 PM
Tape is not good in an enclosure at all. I have been lucky in the past when I used tape for decoration in my first terra.

This summer I bought a lot of water bowl at the dollar store. I always wash them nicely and remove the price sticker. Well, looks like I did remove it on all, but on one I did a bad job at removing the glue, probably that it just slipped in the bad pile.

Well, I got home a few days later and I opened a bin and the little snake was caught on it. So I used water and removed it carefully. The snake is in good shape but could have been worst.

I also got one that got stuck in a water bowl one time. The bowl had a hole and she went threw it but kept going instead of going back to a point where it was stuck at the first 1/3 of her body. I got her to the vet, got some medecine to clean up the scares and now she seem fine and ready to give me some babies (I hope).

SublimeBoa
11-18-2009, 07:31 PM
I got lucky, but I learned from it. I still use the Aluminum tape to hold down probes, but all the rest is history.

Here he is after his next shed...
http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=13260

Sara
11-19-2009, 12:29 AM
Well, I got home a few days later and I opened a bin and the little snake was caught on it. So I used water and removed it carefully. The snake is in good shape but could have been worst.

It suprises me that water worked, generally I tell people to use flour or something along those lines, and have done that myself when I had a leopard gecko somehow manage to affix its entire body onto a glue trap. Straight water I have never had any luck with, as it does nothing to nullify the stickiness.

SublimeBoa
11-19-2009, 06:47 AM
A Q-Tip and olive oil or vegetable oil. :cheers:

FloridaHogs
11-19-2009, 10:10 AM
Glad it all worked out!

Sara
11-19-2009, 06:41 PM
A Q-Tip and olive oil or vegetable oil. :cheers:

This I am going to tuck away to be able to tell people, and hope that I never have the reason to use it!!! Thanks! And, why didn't I think of that? I use baby oil to get sticker residue off... der. :cheers: