After going though the various locales of R Leachianus I have narrowed it down to 4 locales that really caught my eye-- Mainland Riveire Bleue, Offshore Brosse, Nuu Ami, and Caanawa.

Here is where I need some help.
Do I have to keep the same locale and not intermix them?

Are some harder to keep than others? If so...what would people suggest at a good 'beginning' leachie?

I'm no where near ready to dive into them yet just trying to educate myself as much as possible before I make the commitment.

Thanks for the help!

Hurry up and breed some so I can get babies.... :cheers:

I think they are cool as hell!

Hurry up and breed some so I can get babies.... :cheers:

I think they are cool as hell!

Can't hurry a great thing. It will take time but I will put you on the list.:devil:

Can't hurry a great thing. It will take time but I will put you on the list.:devil:

Sweet, I'm first on the list.... which should be a good thing this time.

Can't hurry a great thing. It will take time but I will put you on the list.:devil:

I know what you mean... I am like fine wine... just get better with age!!!

I am with sputter... hurry up and breed some so you can hook a brother up!

I know what you mean... I am like fine wine... just get better with age!!!

I am with sputter... hurry up and breed some so you can hook a brother up!

You guys call Jeff then and explain I have to start the project now.:lmao:

You guys call Jeff then and explain I have to start the project now.:lmao:

Well you know Tama you are making a little cash from us this weekend...... Its a start! :devil:

Well you know Tama you are making a little cash from us this weekend...... Its a start! :devil:

You think Jeff is going to share????:nono::lmao:

Best of luck on the project:cheers:....and put me on the cancellation list if Scott drops out of wanting a pair :lol:

PM me for the prices and deposit amounts...:lmao:

You think Jeff is going to share????:nono::lmao:

Well Jen will have the money so just make sure you guys "go to the bathroom" when we get there.... :lmao:

Well Jen will have the money so just make sure you guys "go to the bathroom" when we get there.... :lmao:

:yessir::rockon:

After going though the various locales of R Leachianus I have narrowed it down to 4 locales that really caught my eye-- Mainland Riveire Bleue, Offshore Brosse, Nuu Ami, and Caanawa.

Here is where I need some help.
Do I have to keep the same locale and not intermix them?

Are some harder to keep than others? If so...what would people suggest at a good 'beginning' leachie?

I'm no where near ready to dive into them yet just trying to educate myself as much as possible before I make the commitment.

Thanks for the help!

They are all kept basically the same, however there are size differences which will lead to grow up time differences, cage sizes, etc.

You can intermix, however than you will not be locale specific. So, that depends on what you personally prefer. Me personally I breed for COLOR. I am not a purist. Think of it this way, there are people that want to know the EXACT location on a cal king, and only breed cal king to cal king. However, there are also people that breed general kingsnakes, mabey a cal king to a speckled king. No longer a California cal king, but if you prefer the way the babies look, than that's your choice. With the leachies, people can be extremely particular. That is their choice. I stay out of it. I breed what I enjoy, and that is exactly what you should do as well, be it Isle specific or just that those are the ones that you prefer.

Wow, I just re-read that and really hope that it made some kind of sense, lol!

I have kept several, and don't think that there is really a good beginner one, they are all about the same. You can for sure have individual animal different personalities, however it does not seem to me to be specified to a locale.

Jeremy, feel free to jump in at any point dear, I am thinking that I am rambling tonight, and may not be making sense...

You think Jeff is going to share????:nono::lmao:

Don't worry Tama! I handle the money and I will make sure I hand it to you girlfriend!!! :rockon:

Well Jen will have the money so just make sure you guys "go to the bathroom" when we get there.... :lmao:

I told you! I told you! :wamma: Jeff you are just SOL buddy!!! :devil:

They are all kept basically the same, however there are size differences which will lead to grow up time differences, cage sizes, etc.

You can intermix, however than you will not be locale specific. So, that depends on what you personally prefer. Me personally I breed for COLOR. I am not a purist. Think of it this way, there are people that want to know the EXACT location on a cal king, and only breed cal king to cal king. However, there are also people that breed general kingsnakes, mabey a cal king to a speckled king. No longer a California cal king, but if you prefer the way the babies look, than that's your choice. With the leachies, people can be extremely particular. That is their choice. I stay out of it. I breed what I enjoy, and that is exactly what you should do as well, be it Isle specific or just that those are the ones that you prefer.

Wow, I just re-read that and really hope that it made some kind of sense, lol!

I have kept several, and don't think that there is really a good beginner one, they are all about the same. You can for sure have individual animal different personalities, however it does not seem to me to be specified to a locale.

Jeremy, feel free to jump in at any point dear, I am thinking that I am rambling tonight, and may not be making sense...

It does make sense Sara. I really like the 'mossy' variety but I also like the others. So it just means I'll need 'several' to play with.:devil:

Don't worry Tama! I handle the money and I will make sure I hand it to you girlfriend!!! :rockon:

Awesome!

There ya go girl! Let me know if you want any snowflake X Isle E... those I have, I think though that the oldest I currently have are about 5 months, sold the oldest one at Tinley.

They are all kept basically the same, however there are size differences which will lead to grow up time differences, cage sizes, etc.

You can intermix, however than you will not be locale specific. So, that depends on what you personally prefer. Me personally I breed for COLOR. I am not a purist. Think of it this way, there are people that want to know the EXACT location on a cal king, and only breed cal king to cal king. However, there are also people that breed general kingsnakes, mabey a cal king to a speckled king. No longer a California cal king, but if you prefer the way the babies look, than that's your choice. With the leachies, people can be extremely particular. That is their choice. I stay out of it. I breed what I enjoy, and that is exactly what you should do as well, be it Isle specific or just that those are the ones that you prefer.

Wow, I just re-read that and really hope that it made some kind of sense, lol!

I have kept several, and don't think that there is really a good beginner one, they are all about the same. You can for sure have individual animal different personalities, however it does not seem to me to be specified to a locale.

Jeremy, feel free to jump in at any point dear, I am thinking that I am rambling tonight, and may not be making sense...

Great info sara! You and ol Jeremy need to throw together a care sheet for us non leachie people! I know nothing about husbandry for these guys....

There ya go girl! Let me know if you want any snowflake X Isle E... those I have, I think though that the oldest I currently have are about 5 months, sold the oldest one at Tinley.

Dangling that carrot.....PM will be sent.

Great info sara! You and ol Jeremy need to throw together a care sheet for us non leachie people! I know nothing about husbandry for these guys....

I would say probably Jeremy, I ramble way too much, lol! He's much better at to the point and clearer than I am, me thinks...

I would say probably Jeremy, I ramble way too much, lol! He's much better at to the point and clearer than I am, me thinks...

You are doing a fine job. I did visit the Leap'n Leachie site for a lot of the info I got so far. However I know there has to be more out there.

Tama, there is an amazing book on them, but it's at work and I can't remember for the life of me what it's called. I'll get that info to you tomorrow as well!

Tama, there is an amazing book on them, but it's at work and I can't remember for the life of me what it's called. I'll get that info to you tomorrow as well!

I appreciate it.

I was going to say put us on the list but Scott covered it already

I was going to say put us on the list but Scott covered it already

Yes he did.:yessir::rockon:

Do have another question that should be here. Leachie tempermant....are they gargoyale gecko friendly or eat your face tokay 'friendly'. The ones I always see seem to be rather docile.

Overall temperment is crested friendly, but I did have one that was tokay MEAN. Now, that was ONE and that was not one of mine and was almost full grown when I got him, I don't think that he had been worked with at all. All the rest have been (to use a bad term) dog tame. I can reach into their cage in the middle of the day while they are sound asleep and grab with no warning and hand them to a small child with no worries. Bruce is even impressed with them!

Overall temperment is crested friendly, but I did have one that was tokay MEAN. Now, that was ONE and that was not one of mine and was almost full grown when I got him, I don't think that he had been worked with at all. All the rest have been (to use a bad term) dog tame. I can reach into their cage in the middle of the day while they are sound asleep and grab with no warning and hand them to a small child with no worries. Bruce is even impressed with them!

Oh no then we can't have them, they aren't mean enough...:lmao:

Thanks for the response Sara.:cheers:

Oh no then we can't have them, they aren't mean enough...:lmao:

Figures....... :rolleyes:

Figures....... :rolleyes:

I still want beaded lizards...they are just a tad bigger....:lol:

Oh no then we can't have them, they aren't mean enough...:lmao:

We won't have them...they will be mine.:yessir::greenman:

Figures....... :rolleyes:

I'm still getting them Ron.

Oh no then we can't have them, they aren't mean enough...:lmao:

Well Jeff, if you would prefer I can catch this one that should be coming out of that egg any month now and start immediatly poking it with a stick. Than continue doing that daily for several weeks, while randomly withholding food. Never let it sleep, and leave it always dirty. Ummm, that's all that I can think of off the top of my head, trying to make it meaner, but thinking of those things with the leachies it'll end up just making it even tamer, lol!

However, these shall be for TAMA, so therefore they will be nice and sweet and wonderful geckos... :p

If you left them alone and treated them like leachies maybe their temperment wouldn't be so nice. But if your like Sara and treat them like pet MUPPETS then they learn to just think "aw shit, not again" and put up with it.:lmao: Honestly I was impressed with the temperment of her breeders. They are very docile and generalyy will sit still or slowly walk on you without showing any signs of aggression.

pet muppets....:lol:

If you left them alone and treated them like leachies maybe their temperment wouldn't be so nice. But if your like Sara and treat them like pet MUPPETS then they learn to just think "aw shit, not again" and put up with it.:lmao: Honestly I was impressed with the temperment of her breeders. They are very docile and generalyy will sit still or slowly walk on you without showing any signs of aggression.

I'm a bit more like Sara then...they'll be new new 'kids'.:devil:

If you left them alone and treated them like leachies maybe their temperment wouldn't be so nice. But if your like Sara and treat them like pet MUPPETS then they learn to just think "aw shit, not again" and put up with it.:lmao: Honestly I was impressed with the temperment of her breeders. They are very docile and generalyy will sit still or slowly walk on you without showing any signs of aggression.

:lmao: Okay, so I work with my critters sometimes a bit much, that's okay, right? :dunno: Actually and honestly I really don't handle them that much, couple times a week just checks, but that (to me) makes it even more impressive that they are so good!

If you left them alone and treated them like leachies maybe their temperment wouldn't be so nice. But if your like Sara and treat them like pet MUPPETS then they learn to just think "aw shit, not again" and put up with it.:lmao: Honestly I was impressed with the temperment of her breeders. They are very docile and generalyy will sit still or slowly walk on you without showing any signs of aggression.

LMAO!

and I plan on Nuu Ami in my future.....

I have been working with leachies for years now. their great geckos....I dont have temperment problems. Their has been problems with locale breeding becuase of the lack of some that were broght in from the wild....some were only acouple pairs.....with inbreeding them for years. Go to http://www.forums.repashy.com/index.php has alot of info just on leachies. Their looking into female leachies able to produce offspring without a male.....Parthenogenesis leachianus is the newest thing with these...im testing this myself.

I have been working with leachies for years now. their great geckos....I dont have temperment problems. Their has been problems with locale breeding becuase of the lack of some that were broght in from the wild....some were only acouple pairs.....with inbreeding them for years. Go to http://www.forums.repashy.com/index.php has alot of info just on leachies. Their looking into female leachies able to produce offspring without a male.....Parthenogenesis leachianus is the newest thing with these...im testing this myself.

Hasn't there now been a few cases of this, with mabey one that has lived? (Sorry, I should read the link before writing, but it's late, I'll check it out tomorrow)

i havent read that post in some time....

After going though the various locales of R Leachianus I have narrowed it down to 4 locales that really caught my eye-- Mainland Riveire Bleue, Offshore Brosse, Nuu Ami, and Caanawa.

Here is where I need some help.
Do I have to keep the same locale and not intermix them?

Are some harder to keep than others? If so...what would people suggest at a good 'beginning' leachie?

I'm no where near ready to dive into them yet just trying to educate myself as much as possible before I make the commitment.

Thanks for the help!

Honestly I'd still buy "pure" animals to breed even if you want to intermix yourself. Finding animals that have a clear history can be sometime difficult. Without knowing the history of an animal, you can arrive at the same issues of line-breeding strictly because you don't know who's related to who. Hope that makes sense.

As far as which leachie to start with, I'd start with some of the island forms as opposed to Grand Terre animals for the 2 reasons: (1) The GT animals cost anywhere from 1.5-3 x the cost of some of the Island Forms such as Isle E (2) The temperament in GTs are typically more aggressive and pair compatibility is more of a pronounced issue.

Do have another question that should be here. Leachie tempermant....are they gargoyale gecko friendly or eat your face tokay 'friendly'. The ones I always see seem to be rather docile.

I no longer keep any leachianus, but I did keep them for several years. R. leachianus are really a different beast altogether from gargoyles. I know a breeder that has a GT specimen that's gotta be close to 17" and is puppy-dog tame. My female Nuu Ami (Isle form) was under 10" and quite aggressive inside the cage and quite vocal outside. I got her when she was about 2 months and she was about 30 months when I parted with her. (And yes she was handled.) They are like many other animals, handling has no bearing on temperament. Some just don't like to be bothered and unfortunately that isn't totally clear until you have a sexually mature animal on your hands (no pun intended).

I can probably dig around some old emails and find some leachianus bite marks from friends over the years. Not all are aggressive, but don't be misled by the docile one's you've seen. They are quite capable geckos.

All for now,
Harold

I still want beaded lizards...they are just a tad bigger....:lol:

Awesome, let me know when you produce these too.... :cheers:

Sara and Harold pretty much covered it!!!
The Nuu Ami are going to be your cheapest bet hands down.
Care is all similar to cresteds etc.
I am with Harold on the pure local thing.I would take your time and make sure you are getting ones that are not crossbred also.Pretty sure there have been problems with that as of lately.
As far as them being calm..Ehhhhh you know how things are over here soooo.
My wifes little babies are like Bruce said **muppets**.
With any luck i should have some Morro and GT's hatching out this spring.
They definatly have a nice set of vocals on them also.
You or Jeff give me a ring if you need anything answered,just worked a 12 hour shift so my brain is mush right now.:cheers:

Now were talking....possible mean babies...I like where this is heading...lol

Really I like and prefer the locality based projects myself just because...not saying there isn't anything wrong with the mixes since more than half my snake stock is not a pure locality of any kind exception being the woma's, carpets, bloods (except the cross I did) and a few of the boa's....

Good to get some of the info out there...now some good old fashion reading since it looks like Tama is going to be more than hooked on them...:cheers:

Harold thank you for the added information. I will also check out the link posted in this thread and keep on researching. Jeremy...my babies will be 'muppets' also. No meanies.:rockon:

Tama, you're welcome on the book info, sorry, my phone died. Also, I didn't get a chance to do pics today, it was just not a good day all around. Will for sure get them tomorrow! (As long as Bruce remembers the camera, he is so much better at stuff like that than I am!)

Tama, you're welcome on the book info, sorry, my phone died. Also, I didn't get a chance to do pics today, it was just not a good day all around. Will for sure get them tomorrow! (As long as Bruce remembers the camera, he is so much better at stuff like that than I am!)

That's okay I got your text but with the head cold forgot to text back right away since I was cleaning rodent cages. Will look for the book online.