http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/29/obama-heads-to-dover-air-_n_337930.html

This really hits me the wrong way, I understand the family gave the okay but I still believe it is wrong for any photo's of the fallen soldiers. He should have just done it like all the other Presidents in the past and just paid respect to the soldiers for what they have done and talked with the families in private, not seeking out a photo op like this...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/29/obama-heads-to-dover-air-_n_337930.html

This really hits me the wrong way, I understand the family gave the okay but I still believe it is wrong for any photo's of the fallen soldiers. He should have just done it like all the other Presidents in the past and just paid respect to the soldiers for what they have done and talked with the families in private, not seeking out a photo op like this...

Jeff, I couldn't agree with you more. With him it's all about being "seen" doing the "Right" thing.

I agree. This is something that doesnt need to be televised or have an "audience". Like I said, I escorted a soldiers remains home and I was the only one, besides the funeral detail and the family, to see his coffin removed from the plane.

I see it as his duty to see what the outcome of his actions are.
He has a great responsibility to send brave men and women into harms way, or not.
Should he send our sons and daughters to Afghanistan ?
If it bothers you that a family gave permission to photograph the transfer of the remains.
Well that's the family's choice. The government should not restrict our freedoms.

I see it as his duty to see what the outcome of his actions are.
He has a great responsibility to send brave men and women into harms way, or not.
Should he send our sons and daughters to Afghanistan ?
If it bothers you that a family gave permission to photograph the transfer of the remains.
Well that's the family's choice. The government should not restrict our freedoms.

And the government shouldn't make a spectical of it either.... He should see what the outcome of his decisions are... but dont make it a political statement by doing it. I think it was distasteful and stupid on his part. Do you actually think the family is thinking rationally right now?????

I see it as his duty to see what the outcome of his actions are.
He has a great responsibility to send brave men and women into harms way, or not.
Should he send our sons and daughters to Afghanistan ?
If it bothers you that a family gave permission to photograph the transfer of the remains.
Well that's the family's choice. The government should not restrict our freedoms.

It doesn't have a damn thing to do with restricting freedoms, it has to do with respect for the family and for the solder who died for our freedoms.

You see it as his duty, it is a private duty and one that every single president in times of war has taken as a private duty...not something to use as a political tool.

And the government shouldn't make a spectical of it either.... He should see what the outcome of his decisions are... but dont make it a political statement by doing it. I think it was distasteful and stupid on his part. Do you actually think the family is thinking rationally right now?????

I saw nothing political in it. He was paying respect to our fallen soldiers.
If it were John McCain doing it would you feel differently about it ?

If it were John McCain doing it would you feel differently about it ?

I would be saying the same exact thing, it is completely disrespectful.

What a political ploy and a disgrace

I saw nothing political in it. He was paying respect to our fallen soldiers.
If it were John McCain doing it would you feel differently about it ?

Not at all. If McCain did it and televised it, I would feel the same way.... Hell if Ross Perot did it I would feel the same way and I voted for that guy!

If it were John McCain doing it would you feel differently about it ?

Nope....it's not about who's doing it...it's about hows it's done.

Not at all. If McCain did it and televised it, I would feel the same way.... Hell if Ross Perot did it I would feel the same way and I voted for that guy!

Ross Perot :rockon:

I saw nothing political in it. He was paying respect to our fallen soldiers.
If it were John McCain doing it would you feel differently about it ?

Claude how come when anyone calls out Obama you always bring up a republican counter part. Have you not realized by now that what is going on is beyond partisain politics and that both parties have failed the country.

But to answer your lame arse question if it was John McCain doing it, I would be equally pissed! Obama took advantage of this families grief for a photo op, the man has zero class.

Claude how come when anyone calls out Obama you always bring up a republican counter part. Have you not realized by now that what is going on is beyond partisain politics and that both parties have failed the country.

But to answer your lame arse question if it was John McCain doing it, I would be equally pissed! Obama took advantage of this families grief for a photo op, the man has zero class.
Maybe because I have been paying attention to politics for 30 years. (not just the last year)
Also one of the worst Presidents was in office when the BLBC started.
Where are the posts about him.
The Politics forum, All I see are attacking Dems or trying to connect them to the problem.
I see no disrespect in the President taking part in the transfer of the remains of 18 of our fallen warriors. :)

I see no disrespect in the President taking part in the transfer of the remains of 18 of our fallen warriors. :)

and I dont either.... until its televised and photographed. Lets not forget Obama was the asshole who lifted the ban on taking pictures of soldiers' remains..... He should see the consequences of his decisions as Commander in Chief. He should NOT be able to turn it into a media spectacle.....

and I dont either.... until its televised and photographed. Lets not forget Obama was the asshole who lifted the ban on taking pictures of soldiers' remains..... He should see the consequences of his decisions as Commander in Chief. He should NOT be able to turn it into a media spectacle.....

So your for a government that tells you what you can't do. (No pics ever)
Against one that lets you decide for yourselves. (families choice)
We shouldn't be hiding our soldiers.
We should be honoring them. :yessir:

So your for a government that tells you what you can't do. (No pics ever)
Against one that lets you decide for yourselves. (families choice)
We shouldn't be hiding our soldiers.
We should be honoring them. :yessir:

The government made that law at the request of the military. Obama never conferred with the military when he lifted the ban. Pretty shitty move if you ask me.
Again I ask, do you think this soldier's family is in their right minds right now?

So your for a government that tells you what you can't do. (No pics ever)
Against one that lets you decide for yourselves. (families choice)
We shouldn't be hiding our soldiers.
We should be honoring them. :yessir:

Honoring them yes...but I for one don't need pictures to tell me war is an ugly thing :nono: The government should be giving the families and their loved ones the respect they so deserve at a time like this.....and not making it some photo opportunity for the media.

This is the thing with this entire issue and them I am done; Bringing home a soldier's remains is a very personal affair. I have first hand experience with it. Should soldiers be celebrated for their ulitmate sacrifice? Absolutely! But not when the soldier isnt even put to rest yet. Anyone who thinks this type of media hype bullshit is ok obviously hasnt had to feel the pain of losing a loved one or a fellow soldier in a traumatic event such as this. Our soldiers shouldnt be hidden away but they and their families should be given enough respect to let private affairs be private. I am done.

This is the thing with this entire issue and them I am done; Bringing home a soldier's remains is a very personal affair. I have first hand experience with it. Should soldiers be celebrated for their ulitmate sacrifice? Absolutely! But not when the soldier isnt even put to rest yet. Anyone who thinks this type of media hype bullshit is ok obviously hasnt had to feel the pain of losing a loved one or a fellow soldier in a traumatic event such as this. Our soldiers shouldnt be hidden away but they and their families should be given enough respect to let private affairs be private. I am done.

Well said Ron :yessir::rebel::yessir::yessir:

When one of my coworkers son was killed in Iraq.
My 2 boys and I went to the funeral and to the cemetery.
The procession went for as far as I could see. In front of us and behind.
People lined the streets. Cars stop and turned on there lights.
It was very moving. Very respectful.
I understand you think Obama did it just for the media.
I think he did it to pay respect. Just my feeling.

Maybe because I have been paying attention to politics for 30 years. (not just the last year)
Also one of the worst Presidents was in office when the BLBC started.
Where are the posts about him.
The Politics forum, All I see are attacking Dems or trying to connect them to the problem.
I see no disrespect in the President taking part in the transfer of the remains of 18 of our fallen warriors. :)

Claude you have been paying attention to a GAME for the last 30 years and I also was a following Dem partisian for that long like you. Sorry if you are offended that as I looked deeper down the rabbit hole during the HR669 deal an started to see some startling truths about both of our political parties and how they are both controlled by the same financial donors. The people that controll the parties want them to create division amongst the population and with an assist from the MSM especially the cable news networks they have been able to achieve that.

As for you seeing attacks on Dems in the forum well many of us are conservative minded and despise freaks like Pelosi, Reid, and Frank. Sorry dude, but those people are not very family friendly unless your family is compossed of cross dressing transgender homos. They do not share the core family values of most americans,..... then again neither do the list of Republicans that can't keep their pecker were it belongs and be faithfull to their spouse!!!

Look Claude, even you have to admit that it is a little convienent that Obama has the ban on photos of returning casualties lifted and then has a photo op almost immediatly after. Reminiscent of "mission accomplished" I think!

The saddest part of all of this is that he seemed to easily make the decision to do this because it could benefit him, but Obama can't decide whether or not to send our troops the reinforcements that commanders are begging for because he is afraid of the political fall out from the left. And don't come back with the typical lib speak that he is taking his time to "make" the right descision, because he has been a full speed on every other issue except the one that involves Afganistan. His military advisers and Robert Gates have been YELLING for more troops yet Obama ignores the military professionals and waits for Rahm to figure out a politically acceptable way to manage the Afganistan mess. As these Washington DC tools play more GAMES, there will be more photo ops for Obama as more US soldiers return home in caskets and now without any privacy protection for the grieving families.

I do find it ironic that Obama will probably confront the issue of gays in the military as it has been reported that he will soon do away with "don't ask don't tell" and make it illegal to discriminate against them before he gets around to making a descision on sending more troops. Nice to know where his priorities are!!!!

Claude you don't have to change your political ideals, but you and everyone else need to realize that right now both parties have sold us out and our only loyalty should be to a soveriegn United States of America and the protection of the US Constitution.

Watch Fall of the Republic........and if you doubt it, do some fact checking....it will open your eyes. I think since American men and women are willing to die in service to their country, the least we can do is be informed about the liars that are putting them in harms way.....JMHO!

Maybe because I have been paying attention to politics for 30 years. (not just the last year)
Also one of the worst Presidents was in office when the BLBC started.
Where are the posts about him.
The Politics forum, All I see are attacking Dems or trying to connect them to the problem.
I see no disrespect in the President taking part in the transfer of the remains of 18 of our fallen warriors. :)
Buddy you maybe right about me not paying much attention to politics unless it aaffects me personally. I am just a dumb ol country boy from Texas. :D But what I do know a little something about is being a soldier. I have been a soldier in some capacity since I was 17 years old, not even old enough to drink a beer! This subject is very touchy to me because I have been affected personally by the deaths in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I saw 7 human beings that I thought of as my own kids die. 2 of them died in my arms. I have also had to deal with the fallout these deaths have caused from grieving mothers to a distraught 17 year old wife and mother of a 6 month old baby. I also know what kind of hoopla it is to have a political figure like the President around out any event. There is secret service agents, CIA, and FBI people running everywhere and causing havoc. Not to mention the asshole media. For a grieving family to deal with all of this is expecting too much on top of dealing with the death to begin with.
I dont give a rat's ass about the politics... what I do care about are those soldiers and their families. Turning this into a media event is wrong.

Buddy you maybe right about me not paying much attention to politics unless it aaffects me personally. I am just a dumb ol country boy from Texas. :D But what I do know a little something about is being a soldier. I have been a soldier in some capacity since I was 17 years old, not even old enough to drink a beer! This subject is very touchy to me because I have been affected personally by the deaths in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I saw 7 human beings that I thought of as my own kids die. 2 of them died in my arms. I have also had to deal with the fallout these deaths have caused from grieving mothers to a distraught 17 year old wife and mother of a 6 month old baby. I also know what kind of hoopla it is to have a political figure like the President around out any event. There is secret service agents, CIA, and FBI people running everywhere and causing havoc. Not to mention the asshole media. For a grieving family to deal with all of this is expecting too much on top of dealing with the death to begin with.
I dont give a rat's ass about the politics... what I do care about are those soldiers and their families. Turning this into a media event is wrong.

Buddy you know I respect your experiences and your opinions.
I just don't see any harm in showing the President paying his respect.

Buddy you know I respect your experiences and your opinions.
I just don't see any harm in showing the President paying his respect.

You are missing my point. By him being there it cause a lot of undue stress on a family already in distress..... There are many more ways he could have shown his respect...

Buddy you know I respect your experiences and your opinions.
I just don't see any harm in showing the President paying his respect.

That's just it Claude...Obama is showing his 'respect' for the media coverage he got. He could have shown respect off air too.

That's just it Claude...Obama is showing his 'respect' for the media coverage he got. He could have shown respect off air too.

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