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Since BHB is going to have a black Friday sale I'm looking to buy a new female. I'm torn between a fire and a chocolate. I realy like the chocolate but I like what the fire does to combos. They're both between 200-350 grams. One more thing the chocolate is a little more expensive, so what should I get.:dunno:

You got to be kidding me, we're going to start doing this crap with living animals. Black Friday sales????? WTF??????

I wouldn't buy from a mass producer who is looking for an excuse to drop prices....

Funny to read people not wanting to get into the mix...

just flat out ignoring you guys and maybe you'll just go away....:lmao:

Funny to read people not wanting to get into the mix...

just flat out ignoring you guys and maybe you'll just go away....:lmao:

Hmmmm, no......:cheers:

Funny to read people not wanting to get into the mix...

just flat out ignoring you guys and maybe you'll just go away....:lmao:

Not trying to bash to OP but I have said it before and I will say it again. I will never buy anything from BHB. Just dont like the way they do business.....

Brain is a good guy and cant knock him. He does have quit a big collection but I just cant hate! As far as buy from him I have but cant do it anymore just because how the whole bola market is id rather wait and buy from a bushleaguer or small breeder.

Good guy or not, mass producing and "Black Friday" sales are BS......this isn't freaking Walmart.....

Good guy or not, mass producing and "Black Friday" sales are BS......this isn't freaking Walmart.....

Gives Black Friday a whole new meaning!

Good guy or not, mass producing and "Black Friday" sales are BS......this isn't freaking Walmart.....

:rockon:

Gives Black Friday a whole new meaning!

Depends on what the prices elsewhere look like after friday once these are out in print...might be black...

Depends on what the prices elsewhere look like after friday once these are out in print...might be black...

Or put others in the red with their projects......

Good guy or not, mass producing and "Black Friday" sales are BS......this isn't freaking Walmart.....

I agree :yessir:

I know people don't like buying from "mass producers" but they’re not like the devil, they need to make a living too. Don't get me wrong I like seeing my money go to a smaller business but sometimes I like to buy from other people. Unlike most mass producers Brian seems, to me, to still have the passion and love for the animals that is the reason why he is probably the only big producer I will buy from. About the black Friday thing it’s really just a gimmick and it’s only for one day to help spur sales. It’s not like he is going to put everything at 50% off and just give away animals. To me it is for people who want a new snake for the holidays but can't afford it, it makes it a little bit easier to buy an animal you want. One last thing, will anyone actually answer my question and stop bitching about Friday. Fire or chocolate?

I know people don't like buying from "mass producers" but they’re not like the devil, they need to make a living too. Don't get me wrong I like seeing my money go to a smaller business but sometimes I like to buy from other people. Unlike most mass producers Brian seems, to me, to still have the passion and love for the animals that is the reason why he is probably the only big producer I will buy from. About the black Friday thing it’s really just a gimmick and it’s only for one day to help spur sales. It’s not like he is going to put everything at 50% off and just give away animals. To me it is for people who want a new snake for the holidays but can't afford it, it makes it a little bit easier to buy an animal you want. One last thing, will anyone actually answer my question and stop bitching about Friday. Fire or chocolate?

Your thread on which one is still in the general ball python section........I split the thread.....

But no, I won't quit bitching.......:devil:

One last thing, will anyone actually answer my question and stop bitching about Friday. Fire or chocolate?

Not trying to be an ahole but I think you might have asked this on the wrong forum.....
And no we wont stop bitching and answer your question.

One last thing, will anyone actually answer my question and stop bitching about Friday. Fire or chocolate?

I don't know if anyone will ever stop bitching but you might want to check your thread over hear to see...:lmao:

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?p=293496#post293496

Not trying to be an ahole but I think you might have asked this on the wrong forum.....
And no we wont stop bitching and answer your question.

:rockon::rockon:

wow that was the quickest I have seen people post on a thread in a long time...:cheers:

I know people don't like buying from "mass producers" but they’re not like the devil, they need to make a living too. Don't get me wrong I like seeing my money go to a smaller business but sometimes I like to buy from other people. Unlike most mass producers Brian seems, to me, to still have the passion and love for the animals that is the reason why he is probably the only big producer I will buy from. About the black Friday thing it’s really just a gimmick and it’s only for one day to help spur sales. It’s not like he is going to put everything at 50% off and just give away animals. To me it is for people who want a new snake for the holidays but can't afford it, it makes it a little bit easier to buy an animal you want. One last thing, will anyone actually answer my question and stop bitching about Friday. Fire or chocolate?


I thought I answered your question? Get what you like, you and only you are going to be opening that tub.

Sorry for sounding like a jerk, but I just wanted an answer to my orginal question. I relize what forum I'm on and you can give whatever opinion you want.

Your thread on which one is still in the general ball python section........I split the thread.....

But no, I won't quit bitching.......:devil:

He won't trust me.....:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Bill

I know people don't like buying from "mass producers" but they’re not like the devil, they need to make a living too. Don't get me wrong I like seeing my money go to a smaller business but sometimes I like to buy from other people. Unlike most mass producers Brian seems, to me, to still have the passion and love for the animals that is the reason why he is probably the only big producer I will buy from. About the black Friday thing it’s really just a gimmick and it’s only for one day to help spur sales. It’s not like he is going to put everything at 50% off and just give away animals. To me it is for people who want a new snake for the holidays but can't afford it, it makes it a little bit easier to buy an animal you want. One last thing, will anyone actually answer my question and stop bitching about Friday. Fire or chocolate?

Mass producers imo are the devils of this hobby/industry because they flood the market repeatedly.

A Gimmick can easily turn into another reason for other dubious crashers to drop their prices, it's nothing more then a cash grab with a fancy title while under cutting everyone else. And setting a tone of "it's time to drop prices even more" and people will to compete.

Fire or chocolate? Depends on the projects you have in mind, I'd probably say fire.

Sorry for sounding like a jerk, but I just wanted an answer to my orginal question. I relize what forum I'm on and you can give whatever opinion you want.

Dude, READ YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD LINKED ABOVE...........this isn't the thread you started.......You are in the Business section....I moved the posts talking about black friday sales.........:dunno:

Thankyou Sputnik I just wanted an answer to my original question. I'm not actualy sure if I wanted to buy from him. The black Friday thing just spured my intrest.

Take your questions about what you want to get back to the original thread so I don't have to move more posts.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=13491

Just my opinion, and I will say right here to get yelled at, I consider Brian a friend of mine. I won't defend him personally in that light however, but will say that if it's a one day only gimmick and is clearly stated as so, to each their own. It's not marking everything at 50% off at a show, nor is it staying at that price. Hell, I will occassionally thow animals on sale for a weekend if they have been there longer than I want them to be. It doesn't stay at that price, and if somebody says on tuesday "Well, I was here on saturday and it was on sale and I want the cheaper price." they don't get it.

I guess the biggest thing that you can do is what I do with companies that are open ON Thanksgiving day, or any of the major holidays, I refuse to shop there. ANY time of the year. Gander Mountain is advertising this year that they are going to be open ON thanksgiving day. Guess what? I will not be buying anything from them ever again. Chase can make his Christmas list from Cabellas instead. A company or person does something that you do not agree with or makes you angry, don't buy from them. And you can for sure tell others your reasons why, but if they haven't had that experience, or don't feel the same way you do, you shouldn't get mad at or hold it against them that they didn't feel the same.

Just my opinion.

(Now quietly ducking back out)

Well,

In my opinion I do not usually shop at the places that make people wake up at 3:00 AM to buy a 5.00 dollar coffee maker the day after Thanksgiving. I would rather just pay the full 10.00 and sleep in. I think the point is that BPs are being exploited with what is traditionally something marketed towards cheap arses....

Regards,
Bill

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You got to be kidding me, we're going to start doing this crap with living animals. Black Friday sales????? WTF??????

Knew they would some how get you men involved in Black Friday! :lmao:

Well,

In my opinion I do not usually shop at the places that make people wake up at 3:00 AM to buy a 5.00 dollar coffee maker the day after Thanksgiving. I would rather just pay the full 10.00 and sleep in. I think the point is that BPs are being exploited with what is traditionally something marketed towards cheap arses....

Regards,
Bill

We love it and we make our coffee at home beacuse we are not those high maintenance wemen that need Starbucks! :lmao: Really, my mom is a blast to be around (you have to ask Ron) and we love the laughs we have on this day on top of the sales. Don't know why, but we do this crazy stuff every year!!! Just a tradition for us! I agree that paying 10.00 more would be much easier, but less fun for us! :lmao:

Knew they would some how get you men involved in Black Friday! :lmao:

Not hardly, Darling........ask Ron about BHB and what we think of this "sale".......:devil:

Not hardly, Darling........ask Ron about BHB and what we think of this "sale".......:devil:

I will bring her up to speed wild man... she is knew to all this.....

I will bring her up to speed wild man... she is knew to all this.....

I know buddy.......:lmao:

IDK why he needs to have a sale, based on the KS ads I just saw his prices are already lower than market...

IDK why he needs to have a sale, based on the KS ads I just saw his prices are already lower than market...

Mass production and an overstock I'm guessing.........once he dips the price further so will everyone else. Just because he wants to over produce.....:machinegun:

Good guy or not, mass producing and "Black Friday" sales are BS......this isn't freaking Walmart.....

You mean Ball~Mart...

Mass production and an overstock I'm guessing.........once he dips the price further so will everyone else. Just because he wants to over produce.....:machinegun:

So true is like opening pandora box...Once lowered they cant go up..it's live animals people..not a pair of shoes or a tie..
No to Ball~mart

So true is like opening pandora box...Once lowered they cant go up..it's live animals people..not a pair of shoes or a tie..
No to Ball~mart

well said kevin.... :cheers:

Only a few balls on the list, everything looked reasonably priced except $750 low white pieds but I think we have all seen that price unfortunately.

I wasn't impressed with the sale as far as the corns went. There were some ok deals. However if you check Fauna or Kingsnake you can find better prices if you aren't in a hurry. What I thought was weird was the fact they didn't say if the snakes for sale were male or female. They also did not say size or age. They just said eating fuzzies, small adults or adults. I mean a corn snake can eat a fuzzy anywhere from 30 to 140 grams depending on who is feeding them. That is a huge difference when it comes to corns.

Well, you just don't get the point. They started this whole idea of bringing in the "Black Friday Sales" it was only a matter of time for someone else to pick it up and make it even worse. Which Big Daddy now has......

Bill I do get the point. I was just saying that his sale was set up kind of dumb. I also wanted to point out that none of the deals for the corns anyway were that good. I understand where you are coming from. In the corn market sales are going on all the time. A day or a weekend or what have you. I guess because of that it isn't that big of a deal to me.

Bill I do get the point. I was just saying that his sale was set up kind of dumb. I also wanted to point out that none of the deals for the corns anyway were that good. I understand where you are coming from. In the corn market sales are going on all the time. A day or a weekend or what have you. I guess because of that it isn't that big of a deal to me.


I notice that most of the big produces don't have very competitive prices on their actual site. Places like kingsnake or fauna are by far better from what I've seen.

But I think the main problem is that they must be selling a lot of animals in bulk to someone, and that someone is on those sites, so it does have an effect, but to avoid patronizing it you have to go a lot further than just not buying directly from them. You need to find where all their animals go, because I am almost sure they don't all get sold through their site to individuals, probably half of them.

I've only bought direct from a big breeder once, and that was pro exotics for my male desert, and that was because of the three people/companies I found selling desert males they were the cheapest. Everything else in my collection is from shows (I have a male mojo from Ben Siegel that I got from a show, but things are always massively discounted at shows, so that doesn't really count).

I've only bought direct from a big breeder once, and that was pro exotics for my male desert, and that was because of the three people/companies I found selling desert males they were the cheapest. Everything else in my collection is from shows (I have a male mojo from Ben Siegel that I got from a show, but things are always massively discounted at shows, so that doesn't really count).

Okay, this is probably going to end up somewhere else, but that is what it comes down to. People get mad that prices come down, people are mad about black friday sales (which LLL also had and how many others? And the prices weren't even all that great???) And yet how many people go where it's cheapest, or get mad about the prices dropping, but follow in the next breathe that it's great for them cuz now they can afford a pied! Or whatever morph! I am sorry I just think that's hypocritical. Not to call anybody names, that's not me, but geeze!

Okay end rant.

Okay, this is probably going to end up somewhere else, but that is what it comes down to. People get mad that prices come down, people are mad about black friday sales (which LLL also had and how many others? And the prices weren't even all that great???) And yet how many people go where it's cheapest, or get mad about the prices dropping, but follow in the next breathe that it's great for them cuz now they can afford a pied! Or whatever morph! I am sorry I just think that's hypocritical. Not to call anybody names, that's not me, but geeze!

Okay end rant.


I pretty much agree. I think it is pretty sweet I've been able to get such cool looking morphs to work with. It is good for the hobby if a person just starting can get animals that look vastly different from normals to work with right off the bat. I mean if you took anyone's BP collection in this thread back in time 5 years it'd be worth hundreds of thousands more, if not millions. But when you are just getting in to it it is pretty cool to be able to start with spiders, mojaves, pastels, lessers, fires, et cetera for all under $300-400.

I dunno, theres two sides to every coin, to use a nice cliche for price dropping.

Nobody gets mad that prices come down. They will, but it's how these scuzzbuckets do it that people get mad about. I don't go where the cheapest is, never. I go to the people with the best customer service and the quality of animal that I want to buy. I don't even compare prices to what else is being sold, because I don't care if it's the cheapest. Is negotiation part of selling an item? Of course it is. But when people can't make sales because they don't put the work in and decide to play the "cheap" ads game, that's BS. These aren't used cars.....:dunno:

Nobody gets mad that prices come down. They will, but it's how these scuzzbuckets do it that people get mad about. I don't go where the cheapest is, never. I go to the people with the best customer service and the quality of animal that I want to buy. I don't even compare prices to what else is being sold, because I don't care if it's the cheapest. Is negotiation part of selling an item? Of course it is. But when people can't make sales because they don't put the work in and decide to play the "cheap" ads game, that's BS. These aren't used cars.....:dunno:


Well that assumes that the cheapest animal isn't quality. Personally I go by the animal first, and I think I've done pretty well by my collection (and the since I got mites I am not sure where they came from, if they came from the albino I just got screwed by lack of proper quarantine on my part, since the guy had good customer service, but I am guessing I just caught his mite problem, and thats my snake with the worst problem, so I am just assuming thats where it came from, aside over). All of my animals come from breeders that I could contact and receive a response from within 24hours, all were below market price, and all are good-to-great examples of their morph, and until this mite thing (which could have resulted from one infested animal, or all of them infested) I've never had a problem and am happy with every animal. So I think it is entirely possible to pay under the standard price (whatever that is, and however we determine it) without going "cheap" if you get what I am saying.

I mean, hell, the desert in my avatar was the least expensive I could find and is a pretty kick ass desert and who I bought it from has great customer service (Pro Exotics), or my lesser, fire, and my baby pastel are all from a great guy that I still talk to just to chat with. So I think its almost too much in the other direction to say that paying a cheap price means you have to sacrifice animal quality or customer service (aka the bigdaddy route haha). There are a ton of quality animals out there being sold by bush-league type people for really low prices, and even more great-to-ok animals out there sold by bigdaddy and his ilk for similar prices. So you gotta watch out (and twice I've had to get out of a deal after I learned about the seller, but I've started doing better research, and have done research on who I've bought from in the past as well, I was too much focused on just price and animal picture when I first started out, but quickly learned that who you buy from matters, and I am still only 8 months in to owning BPs, so my perspective is a lot different from most people here who've been doing it way longer).

Cheap isn't always bad
Expensive isn't always good.

But, you always do get what you pay for, whether that be customer service, peace of mind, or the animal.

IMO, I think its great these animals drop in price, Id rather produce 10 500$ animals, than 5 1000$ animals, the cheaper prices make them more affordable and appealing to the novice, which means you can sell more, but just a little cheaper. Now selling something for 100$ or 400 less isn't crashing the market, while I agree in minor discounts, i don't agree with a 10k animal dropping to 3k in 2 years, thats just nuts.

So the sale is over? If so are the prices now staying that way? Probably to soon to tell....

A "sale" is just that...a limited time offer to save a few bucks. Are the prices back up to where they were, now?

And also, why can't you have a sale on animals? I see nothing wrong with that. Pet shops do it all the time. It's a marketing tool to gain interest in your products for a limited time.

Sara said it perfectly about having weekend sales at Bruce's store. I've been there when he has had them, and may have picked up an animal or two in the past. Come Monday, they all go back to the normal price.

A "sale" is just that...a limited time offer to save a few bucks. Are the prices back up to where they were, now?

And also, why can't you have a sale on animals? I see nothing wrong with that. Pet shops do it all the time. It's a marketing tool to gain interest in your products for a limited time.

Sara said it perfectly about having weekend sales at Bruce's store. I've been there when he has had them, and may have picked up an animal or two in the past. Come Monday, they all go back to the normal price.

In this industry and the ball market have you ever seen the prices go back up after a big "sale"......:rolleyes:

Local pet stores don't do nationwide announcements........:rolleyes:

In this industry and the ball market have you ever seen the prices go back up after a big "sale"......:rolleyes:

Yes, sometimes...usually because of supply and demand. Not as many animals left after the sale, so the price is higher for the remaining animals.

Local pet stores don't do nationwide announcements........:rolleyes:

True.

Yes, sometimes...usually because of supply and demand. Not as many animals left after the sale, so the price is higher for the remaining animals.



From what I've seen, the prices either stay that low or even go lower. Because someone else saw that sale and think they have to beat it. It's a chain reaction, the blind leading the blind......

From what I've seen, the prices either stay that low or even go lower. Because someone else saw that sale and think they have to beat it. It's a chain reaction, the blind leading the blind......

Yes, that happens more often than not...especially with ball pythons. But not always.

I guess I was thinking about king snakes. Cal king morphs were going for $35-$40 last year on Kingsnake.com are $50-$60 this year (newborns each time...not the same snake).

I really don't follow the ball python market any more since I got royally screwed by the price drops on spider balls. BUT, that's water under the bridge and I don't dwell on it. I'm just trying to make SOME money back from the offspring.

I guess I was thinking about king snakes. Cal king morphs were going for $35-$40 last year on Kingsnake.com are $50-$60 this year (newborns each time...not the same snake).



Right, on low end animals, there are price points where some people will quit producing and the price will rise back up slightly on them. But with higher dollar animals rarely does the price come back up.....

I am going to blur the lines here between captive breeding and wild caught animals. But since I have been in this business I have seen animals come back up in many cases over time. Sometimes due to production, sometimes due to import quotas/regulations etc. This is in NO WAY an argument for price dropping but just an opinion on where some things have gone. These prices are approximate and are just taken from memory (which is sometimes very questionable). First price is peak market, then bottom price and then current prices, again just approximates. Not serious research numbers.
Albino boas 10,000.00/350.00/350.00
Albino burmese 5,000.00/100.00/250.00
Prehensile tailed skinks 750.00/45.00/800.00
Crocodile lizards 750.00/100.00/1,000.00
Green Iguanas(babies) 45.00/10.00/35.00
Burmese pythons 65.00/35.00/125.00
Lg WC Ball pythons 65.00/30.00/150.00
Woma pythons 10,000.00/400.00/400.00
WC Emerald tree boas 250.00/250.00/500.00
Baby corns 20.00/5.00/30.00
I don't like price crashing any more than the next person. I make my living doing this so when I see an animal available on line for say $100.00 that I had to purchase for $80.00 and I have to sell for $150.00 to make it worthwhile it pisses me off. But I have a choice to either hold firm and maybe NOT make the sale or reduce the price, either publicly or privately to make the sale. It's not simply black & white as a lot of people think. Just my take on this thread.

From what I've seen, the prices either stay that low or even go lower. Because someone else saw that sale and think they have to beat it. It's a chain reaction, the blind leading the blind......


This is true to an extent, but it will never, over the long term, violate basic supply/demand. BPs have great demand, but with a lot of morphs supply is just sky rocketing on babies, so the price has dropped. But it is way different on say, adult/sub-adult females. Those will always hold great value because they are rarer (not because they cost more in feed and housing, labor theory of value is false, as we all know) and in high demand because they are breedable either immediately or within a few months compared to two years when buying a baby female.

Males are just kinda screwed, except when dealing with new expensive morphs (and my only experience with that is with my desert male). So they kinda mess things up since demand drops off a lot faster, but everyone always has different demands, but it will, in general, always be lower than females in the long term.

This is true to an extent, but it will never, over the long term, violate basic supply/demand. BPs have great demand, but with a lot of morphs supply is just sky rocketing on babies, so the price has dropped. But it is way different on say, adult/sub-adult females. Those will always hold great value because they are rarer (not because they cost more in feed and housing, labor theory of value is false, as we all know) and in high demand because they are breedable either immediately or within a few months compared to two years when buying a baby female.

Males are just kinda screwed, except when dealing with new expensive morphs (and my only experience with that is with my desert male). So they kinda mess things up since demand drops off a lot faster, but everyone always has different demands, but it will, in general, always be lower than females in the long term.

Market crashers have always affected prices, regardless of supply and demand. The only time that actual supply and demand principles will work anymore is when the morph reaches rock bottom and mass producers quit producing them. Then the price will rebound slightly like Panhead described. But I have seen the market crashers effect prices beyond simple supply and demand and those prices don't rebound. People simply assume that's the new market and continue the trend to try and get fast easy sales. You are rather new to this hobby and have a lot to see yet........

The ball market has never followed simple economic principles.....

Today is "cyber Monday" and yes there are breeders following this one as well.

Market crashers have always affected prices, regardless of supply and demand. The only time that actual supply and demand principles will work anymore is when the morph reaches rock bottom and mass producers quit producing them. Then the price will rebound slightly like Panhead described. But I have seen the market crashers effect prices beyond simple supply and demand and those prices don't rebound. People simply assume that's the new market and continue the trend to try and get fast easy sales. You are rather new to this hobby and have a lot to see yet........

The ball market has never followed simple economic principles.....

Wild Man is right. These variables arent anything taught in any type of economics class (Micro or Macro).

Today is "cyber Monday" and yes there are breeders following this one as well.

We even some morons here on the board are taking part in this...apparently they don't read the posts here and are just using the place as an outlet to place their ads.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=552

I didn't see this yesterday so I don't know if the prices are different but this probably isn't the only place that it was posted...what's next, cheapest animal around sales here on the board.

I guess the moron will chime in....
Jeff, I have a lot of respect for you. Not having worked directly with you but from what I have heard from other people so I'll address this post.
1. The post was a one day only "Sale". Prices were changed back at 7:00pm Monday night, just like I had mentioned in all my posts.
2. Only 4 leopard geckos and a handful of small pictus geckos.
3. I am certainly not a 'big time" breeder :)
4. While I do not have thousands of posts, I have been active on the lizard boards... wish I knew more about snakes so I could contribute more. I am certainly not using BLBC for any post and run.
5. "Apparently they don't read the post here"- nope. missed this one. I did read the rules (TOS) and did not see anything prohibiting this ad but if I'm wrong, I will re-read them and follow them more closely in the future.
6. Nothing in the ad mentioned "Cheapest animals around sale". For 4 leopard geckos advertised for 14 hours I doubt this will send the market into a tailspin :)

I am always open via Email as well if anyone would like more information on this.

To be honest there are so many leopard geckos produced they are like a commodity. You could go broke 10 times over trying to crash that market.

I guess the moron will chime in....
Jeff, I have a lot of respect for you. Not having worked directly with you but from what I have heard from other people so I'll address this post.
1. The post was a one day only "Sale". Prices were changed back at 7:00pm Monday night, just like I had mentioned in all my posts.
2. Only 4 leopard geckos and a handful of small pictus geckos.
3. I am certainly not a 'big time" breeder :)
4. While I do not have thousands of posts, I have been active on the lizard boards... wish I knew more about snakes so I could contribute more. I am certainly not using BLBC for any post and run.
5. "Apparently they don't read the post here"- nope. missed this one. I did read the rules (TOS) and did not see anything prohibiting this ad but if I'm wrong, I will re-read them and follow them more closely in the future.
6. Nothing in the ad mentioned "Cheapest animals around sale". For 4 leopard geckos advertised for 14 hours I doubt this will send the market into a tailspin :)

I am always open via Email as well if anyone would like more information on this.

It was this morning I meant to send you a PM, for that I apologize...

As for the ad it was more about the wording of a cyber monday sale that struck a cord with me more than any prices, which I didn't see or look since I didn't see it until this morning....it would be the same if you ran a black friday sale also to me.

Well, this moron is forgiving and accepts your apology. Any time you would like to pick up one or more of our leopard geckos at our Non-Cyber Monday sale price, feel free to stop by our store. :)

What I'm gathering from this thread is that the use of the word "sale" in any ads for reptiles is a no-no? Kinda reduces your marketing tools...

I should just take all of this and stick it in my profile so I don’t have the same conversations over and over about these topics but if you're offended by me calling you a moron than I suggest you get thicker skin.

Look I’m a moderator here but I have my own ideas and thoughts on subjects, I’m not some brain dead robot that towing the party line…None of us here are, granted we have a lot of the same ideals here on the boards but that is what draws you and everyone else here. We don’t always agree just look in the politics section but my thoughts are the same as they were before I was given a moderator spot, my opinions are my own just as yours are.

You can view my thousands of posts as a bad thing or at least imply it however I view it as a good thing. You can look and not comment on others threads or choose not to start your own on your projects but I choose to comment when I see the work and the time people have put into a project, maybe that is where the issue is….

All these flipper/middle men/mass producers/advertising threads have one thing in common with my posts, I value my animals and myself for the work and the time that I have put into the. What you all view as jazzed up advertising I view as devaluing of your animals and yourself even if you don’t that is my take on the subject, always has been. I could go on and tell you how I always find homes for everything that I plan on selling and even have a waiting list for future gargoyles without any advertising sales or undercutting the guy next to me but all you would do is view that as bragging instead of me honestly just sharing my experiences like I am.

Since you made the comment about non sale prices, quality has always been king in my eyes, I search out the best examples of the animals despite the price but stop there because I am not calling your animals less quality…I really don’t know.

That is the 50 cent version because I honestly didn’t have the time last night or this morning to properly respond.

What I'm gathering from this thread is that the use of the word "sale" in any ads for reptiles is a no-no? Kinda reduces your marketing tools...

Quality well established animals sell, you don't need fancy ads with catchy slogans or catch phrases to do it :dunno:

I should just take all of this and stick it in my profile so I don’t have the same conversations over and over about these topics but if you're offended by me calling you a moron than I suggest you get thicker skin.

Look I’m a moderator here but I have my own ideas and thoughts on subjects, I’m not some brain dead robot that towing the party line…None of us here are, granted we have a lot of the same ideals here on the boards but that is what draws you and everyone else here. We don’t always agree just look in the politics section but my thoughts are the same as they were before I was given a moderator spot, my opinions are my own just as yours are.

You can view my thousands of posts as a bad thing or at least imply it however I view it as a good thing. You can look and not comment on others threads or choose not to start your own on your projects but I choose to comment when I see the work and the time people have put into a project, maybe that is where the issue is….

All these flipper/middle men/mass producers/advertising threads have one thing in common with my posts, I value my animals and myself for the work and the time that I have put into the. What you all view as jazzed up advertising I view as devaluing of your animals and yourself even if you don’t that is my take on the subject, always has been. I could go on and tell you how I always find homes for everything that I plan on selling and even have a waiting list for future gargoyles without any advertising sales or undercutting the guy next to me but all you would do is view that as bragging instead of me honestly just sharing my experiences like I am.

Since you made the comment about non sale prices, quality has always been king in my eyes, I search out the best examples of the animals despite the price but stop there because I am not calling your animals less quality…I really don’t know.

That is the 50 cent version because I honestly didn’t have the time last night or this morning to properly respond.

Quality well established animals sell, you don't need fancy ads with catchy slogans or catch phrases to do it :dunno:

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Right on man!!!

Quality well established animals sell, you don't need fancy ads with catchy slogans or catch phrases to do it :dunno:

Jeff, I don't take offense by you throwing the 'moron' comment around so freely. I have a great sense of humor and got a kick out of this.

Your comment above though is well put and I agree completely that quality sells, especially with repeat customers. However, to what degree breeders promote their product is the question. How they build their web sites, the ads they take out, whatever they us is up to them.
Absolutely a catch phrase, tricky slogan or whatever used without a quality product will not keep customers coming back. The starting point is a nice animal and then sales and marketing can follow.
We agree 99.99% on this other then the fact I tagged onto the 'Cyber Monday' pitch, and that is fine.