Wow what a sad sad day for the reptile community. As it sits at this moment it appears that s373 has been amended to the "9" species that the USGS did their risk assessment on. I can't believe it has come to this..

* Indian or Burmese Python
(Python molurus)

* Northern African Python
(Python sebae)

* Southern African Python
(Python natalensis)

* Reticulated Python
(Broghammerus/Python reticulatus)

* Boa Constrictor
(Boa constrictor)

* Green Anaconda
(Eunectes murinus)

* Yellow Anaconda
(Eunectes notaeus)

* Beni or Bolivian Anaconda
(Eunectes beniensis)

* DeSchauensee’s Anaconda
(Eunectes deschauenseei)

I agree, it is a sad day for the reptile community.

Larry, sad indeed, has it been verified that it's only the 9? The language seems confusing. Thanks!

This has to be treated as though it is all reptile species.... ridiculous, bogus science should not be allowed to destroy people's lively hoods, lives and aspirations for the sake of a political career man and a deceitful organization (HSUS).

What a sad day for Science and the people (AHOLES) that govern us.

Bill

This has to be treated as though it is all reptile species.... ridiculous, bogus science should not be allowed to destroy people's lively hoods, lives and aspirations for the sake of a political career man and a deceitful organization (HSUS).

You are so freaking right here bro! 9 species for now... whats next? Corn snakes? Ball Pythons? Gold fish? If anyone thinks for a minute it will stop here you are crazy. ALL SPECIES are on the hit list!

Larry, sad indeed, has it been verified that it's only the 9? The language seems confusing. Thanks!

No. It is not confirmed. That's the general consensus at this point. I'm sure USARK will give the confirmation soon enough. Either way it's a devastating loss..

From what i have heard Ball Pythons are safe, But Boa's and the other big nine are gone.

Did anyone else catch the comments about skins? Are they suggesting we be given time to skin our beloved pets? Gee, maybe I could start with my cat and work my way up to skinning the snakes...

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.LiveStream&Hearing_id=6b79ad42-802a-23ad-40fc-2fa705fac4f7

At 40:25.

This does suck, but its not over yet. Can there still be something done about it?

Sad thing, is that all politicians are going to do is follow the money.

I was in shock when I heard that come out of his mouth.

Listening to some of things that they were saying floored me. It is amazing how uneducated some of these people are.

Has anyone heard that the bill has been put on "hold" due to issues? This could be good news..:dunno:

Can there still be something done about it?

Maybe for the Boas, but the rest are done.

did anyone else catch that they didn't seem to have a quorum...
no quorum, no progress, no ammendment, at least for now.
unless i'm mistaken...
ck

I had not heard that it was put on hold, that would be good.

Has anyone heard that the bill has been put on "hold" due to issues? This could be good news..:dunno:

yep........in a few other forums, there was mention of this. :dunno:

Has anyone heard that the bill has been put on "hold" due to issues? This could be good news..:dunno:

Big L, ...where did you hear this???

oh and where did it say only the 9 large snakes, i thought the amend. was to add the other large snakes that werent pythons.....? not to remove the smaller pythons???

This does not mean its law it has to be voted on.its not over yet.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aTRK6iuTN.i4

send the guy that wrote this our media letters

mdrajem@bloomberg.net

he wrote this story

By Mark Drajem

Dec. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Burmese pythons, anacondas and boa constrictors are among nine types of snakes that would be banned as imports under a measure backed by U.S. lawmakers, who said escaped or abandoned pets are overrunning Florida’s Everglades.

“As stewards of our country’s vast public lands and natural resources we have to deal with the threats posed by invasive species,” Senator Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat and the measure’s sponsor, said in a statement.

The bill, approved by voice vote today by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, now goes to the full Senate. The Obama administration supports the legislation and is trying to deal with Burmese pythons that are threatening endangered species and harming the ecosystem in the Everglades, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar wrote in a letter to Nelson on Dec. 7.

The green anaconda has been found in the Big Cypress National Preserve in South Florida. Many lawmakers didn’t take note of the dangers posed by the snakes until a pet python killed a two-year-old Florida girl in her crib last summer, Nelson said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Mark Drajem in Washington at mdrajem@bloomberg.net

has anyone heard that the bill has been put on "hold" due to issues? This could be good news..:dunno:

please be good news

Its not over yet. We are not going down without a fight :yessir:! Guns will be blazing :machinegun: The battle is not over. so :police: the :censor: (Female dog) and keep on fighting :battleflag: Sucks that we have to fight so hard to enjoy what we love but I wont give up and never will :hellyea:

:loveyou::wyatt:

Haha
Peace
Jeremey

i did find this too...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20091210/pl_usnw/DC24149_1

:( I own SEVERAL OF THOSE SPECIES!!

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar in is support of s373....i dont think he knows our side of this.....we should start email him with USARK's help in the matter....?

http://www.doi.gov/contact.html

found their site....

Phone: 202-208-3100
E-Mail: feedback@ios.doi.gov

I will be shocked if all pythons aren't banned when all this comes to a close. Sad day for common sense and rational thought.

Glad I spent 8 years in the military trying to help protect our rights only to have em stripped away... :(

Just cause we are not on the first list does not mean they will not come for us.

Sad the death of Boas as we know it.

This might just be a plan to make us relax until it hits the floor. Don't relax people, get a hold of the reps for your state get letters signed and get ready to send them in. We need to do a letter campaign like we did for HR 669....don't wait, get started now!!!!

Screw the HSUS.


http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2009/12/constrictor_snake_bill_senate_panel_121009.html


December 10, 2009
Senate Panel Approves Large Constrictor Snake Trade Ban

The Humane Society of the United States and the Humane Society Legislative Fund applaud the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee for approving S. 373, a bill to add certain constrictor snakes to the list of injurious species that cannot be imported or moved in interstate commerce as pets. The committee amended the bill to cover nine species of large constrictor snakes identified by the U.S. Geological Survey as posing high or medium risk to the environment. The amendment was supported by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, Sen. Bill Nelson and The HSUS. The bill now moves to the full Senate for consideration.

"The Humane Society of the United States is grateful to lawmakers and Interior Department officials for working to prohibit the trade in all nine species of large constrictor snakes, getting ahead of this problem and not facing the next new fad in the exotic pet trade," said Michael Markarian, chief operating officer for The HSUS. "Congress must swiftly pass this important bill to prevent further threats to public safety, animal welfare and our natural resources."

The HSUS and HSLF express their thanks to bill sponsor Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., Committee Chair Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Subcommittee Chair Ben Cardin, D-Md., for their leadership on this measure.

"As stewards of our country's vast public lands and natural resources, we have to deal with the threats posed by invasive species," Sen. Nelson said, adding that more still needs to be done to better regulate all kinds of foreign plants and animals coming into the United States.

If large constrictor snakes escape or are released outdoors, they can multiply rapidly and prey on native wildlife, depleting vulnerable species. Burmese pythons are already widely established in the Everglades, making it difficult if not impossible to remove them, and boa constrictors and Northern African pythons have been found in a smaller area of Florida. Action is needed now to prevent these snakes from spreading further and to prevent other species from becoming established. If only a few species are included, the trade will simply shift from one giant snake to another.

Facts

* A 2-year-old Florida girl killed by a python this year was the fourth person killed by a pet python in the United States since 2006. The others were adults with experience handling reptiles, two of them killed by reticulated pythons.
* S. 373 targets the exotic pet trade. These snakes could still be imported and moved in interstate commerce for zoological, educational, medical and scientific purposes with a permit.
* The bill would not affect possession or sales within a state. People would keep and retain responsibility for existing animals.
* The nine species included in the amended bill are: Burmese/Indian pythons, Northern African pythons, Southern African pythons, reticulated pythons, boa constrictors and four species of anacondas.
* Related legislation (H.R. 2811) was approved by the House Judiciary Committee, which held a hearing on Nov. 6 where HSUS testified in support of the bill and urged an amendment to cover nine species.

I will be shocked if all pythons aren't banned when all this comes to a close. Sad day for common sense and rational thought.

Glad I spent 8 years in the military trying to help protect our rights only to have em stripped away... :(

me too man...me too

Im sure they're about to see alot more in the wild now. they went about it the wrong way...i think this is going to bite them in the butt.

Im sure they're about to see alot more in the wild now. they went about it the wrong way...i think this is going to bite them in the butt.

sadly xan...if mass releases do happen, it is our butts that will be bitten. (and not in a good way...)
ck

Facts

* A 2-year-old Florida girl killed by a python this year was the fourth person killed by a pet python in the United States since 2006. The others were adults with experience handling reptiles, two of them killed by reticulated pythons.


Ok it sucks this little girl died. It was not the snakes fault, It was the owners not being responsible. Does anyone know if the snake was trying to eat the girl, coiled around the girl,or was it just coiled up trying to find a warm spot to lay? Also any bite marks on the girl? I'm not to sure on the details. Either way it was still the parents fault. Where are all the people bitching about dogs, they have killed way more people since 2006 than reptiles. Where is the ban on dogs. Dont get me wrong, I love dogs. I have a few and wouldn't give them up for anything. Same with my snakes.

If the snake was not trying to eat her.( no bite marks, not coiled around her) Then its not like the snake was trying to kill her/eat her. It was just looking for somewhere warm. If thats the case, its no fault of the reptile, but the owners are at fault. For not providing the proper care,and housing for the animal. So where is the ban on stupid people?

If someone could prove there were no bite marks,or that the snake was not coiled around the girl, but coiled up on top of the girl. Either way still bad that the little girl died, but there is a difference. Was the snake a man eating monster, or just being a snake and looking for a warm place, because the owners didn't know how to take care of it?


Snakes are not dangerous,Stupid people with snakes are dangerous.

i see HSUS has a facebook........think we should start posting on their.....

http://www.facebook.com/humanesociety

ps...found their myspace...think i might be a good idea for their members to see what their going to our country.........

So if they are successful with this all these boas would be on the list, correct?


Subspecies[2] Taxon author[2] Common name Geographic range
B. c. amarali - Stull, 1932 Amaral's boa Brazil, Bolivia and Paraguay[26]
B. c. constrictor - Linnaeus, 1758 Red-tailed boa South America[26]
B. c. imperator - Daudin, 1803 Common northern boa Central America and northern South America[26]
B. c. longicauda - Price & Russo, 1991 Tumbes Peru boa Northern Peru[26]
B. c. melanogaster - Langhammer, 1983 Ecuadorian boa Ecuador[27]
B. c. nebulosa - (Lazell, 1964) Dominican clouded boa Dominica[26]
B. c. occidentalis - Philippi, 1873 Argentine boa Argentina and Paraguay[26]
B. c. orophias - Linnaeus, 1758 St. Lucia boa St. Lucia[26]
B. c. ortonii - Cope, 1878 Orton's boa South America[26]
B. c. sabogae - (Barbour, 1906) Pearl Island boa "Pearl Islands" off the coast of Panama

LP, if I remember correctly.

They delete ANY bad publicity.

But madascar ground boas etc. wouldn't be on the list? I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.....

LP, if I remember correctly.

They delete ANY bad publicity.

yes, but if theirs 100's and 1000's of posts everyday they wont be able to remove them all.....

I just tried posting on HSUS Facebook, My post on their was removed in about 3 seconds after I posted it. So not looking like posting there will work.

But madascar ground boas etc. wouldn't be on the list? I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.....

:nono:quite....dont give them more ideas bill, they might be looking on fourms (like this one to add to their fight)....lol,

I just tried posting on HSUS Facebook, My post on their was was removed in about 3 seconds after I posted it. So not looking like posting there will work.

yeah one post is easy to remove.....but if usark got all of us to post 1000's every day by 1000's of reptile keepers....you do the math, i couldnt remove that many posts, it would take all day......just an idea.....

yeah one post is easy to remove.....but if usark got all of us to post 1000's every day by 1000's of reptile keepers....you do the math, i couldnt remove that many posts, it would take all day......just an idea.....

They can remove them as fast as you can post them, one click to delete......Take that energy and direct it to your local state reps with letters and phone calls.......:yessir:

They can remove them as fast as you can post them, one click to delete......Take that energy and direct it to your local state reps with letters and phone calls.......:yessir:

:yessir:

tryed calling mine the last few days...all full voicemail boxes...... dont we have any pc nerds that know how to hack stuff....lol

But madascar ground boas etc. wouldn't be on the list? I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.....

Looks that way. Very disturbing the entire scenario!!

:machinegun:

tryed calling mine the last few days...all full voicemail boxes...... dont we have any pc nerds that know how to hack stuff....lol

I'm serious, take some printed letters down to the local pet shops and ask them to have people sign them. Then just before this goes to vote we can send them to our local reps......I already started.

I'm serious, take some printed letters down to the local pet shops and ask them to have people sign them. Then just before this goes to vote we can send them to our local reps......I already started.

Well we better get cracking look at this on Bill nelsons page and read all...

BUT realy read the last paragraph!!!!!

http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=320677

i did find this too...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20091210/pl_usnw/DC24149_1

You can "buzz this up" to get more eyeballs on it - it's worth a shot.

Sic 'em!

~Bruce

Well we better get cracking look at this on Bill nelsons page and read all...

BUT realy read the last paragraph!!!!!


That last paragraph refers to the Senate version of 669 that Cardin, Boxer, and Nelson are working on. It is expected to be filed in March or April. It will be much more refined that the houses invasive species legislation and a little more difficult to fight.

As far as the boas go, it depends on how the final text of the amendment is written up. Could be b. constrictor or it could be b. constrictor constrictor. I think Andrew will have a copy of the final text this evening and will be able to shed some light on that tonight. My guess would be that the Democrats took the broader path.

The hold is possible but questionable. There are several Republican Senators that have said that they would put a hold on S 373, but it's not likely to happen so soon out of committee. It could be just a mis-communication (someone thinking that the intent to do a hold in the future meant the hold was starting now). I'll be in touch with my contacts in DC in the morning to confirm, but I doubt it. According to the EPW staff that I met with this afternoon, a hold would buy us a couple of days, but it certainly won't make it go away.

Hope this helps.

-adam

Well we better get cracking look at this on Bill nelsons page and read all...

BUT realy read the last paragraph!!!!!

http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=320677

Click on Constituent Help, then Grants. We should all apply for a grant from him to feed our families if he outlaws our snakes.

Well we better get cracking look at this on Bill nelsons page and read all...

BUT realy read the last paragraph!!!!!

http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=320677

thats HR 2811 right??

Thanks Adam keep us up to date!!