Just wondering why you havent responded to that thread or the person?

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=110252

Seems a little jacked up to me.....

I just talked to him, it's been straightened out apparently.

Neither party has had the time or desire to update the thread yet as the issue is being straightened out between them now.

*this is just what I was told* ADAM, I hope it was ok to post this.

I was curious to ask Adam what the deal was as most of us know of his good standing in the community as well as his involvement in USARK.

I feel this is all I should say as it's not my business transaction and either party can chime in if they choose to.

I just talked to him, it's been straightened out apparently.

Neither party has had the time or desire to update the thread yet it appears as the issue is being straightened out between them.

*this is just what I was told*

I was curious to ask Adam what the deal was as most of us know of his good standing in the community as well as his involvement in USARK.

I feel this is all I should say as it's not my business transaction and either party can chime in if they choose to.
I am not sure about his involvement with USARK.... All I ever see from him is about the other organization he belongs too....

Yeah NATPET.

I must have been mistaken Ron, sorry.

I thought he was helping out USARK at first and then branched off to start up NATPET.

Upon checking out USARK's website, he's not a listed "member"





I am not sure about his involvement with USARK.... All I ever see from him is about the other organization he belongs too....

Yeah NATPET.

I must have been mistaken Ron, sorry.

I thought he was helping out USARK at first and then branched off to start up NATPET.

Upon checking out USARK's website, he's not a listed "member"

thats the one.
Not trying be an ass here but deals left hanging like that with someone of his stature in this industry just isnt cool......

I understand completely!

I know with his involvement with all the current legislation that forum "browsing" may not be something that is came upon very often. He does post the latest info regarding the bills though.

Like I said, I'm not trying to stand up for the guy as I dont know him personally or ever done business with him. I just know of his good standing with many people.

I found it odd that neither party felt the need to update the thread as well, I agree with you there!

Hope my babbling makes sense....




thats the one.
Not trying be an ass here but deals left hanging like that with someone of his stature in this industry just isnt cool......

Yea, i'd like to know or atleast hear both sides myself. although i am a little confused as to why someone in Africa "ball python heaven" is ordering normal ball pythons from someone in the U.S.

I have no info on either side of the story but that is messed up. No way in hell does it take just about 2 years (and counting) to export :lol: That is a lame excuse.
I've imported from the USA before the 24 hour CITES permits, etc. and the CITES permits took less than 3 months (I want to say roughly 1 month, but I don't really remember unless I look it up, but deffo less than 3 months). The excuse of no vet is also pretty lame.

Something else to consider, what the South African guy paid for 2 years ago for X morphs is deffo not what they're worth today.

Anyways, not my problem.

Upon checking out USARK's website, he's not a listed "member"

Just curious, but unless you are part of the "Leadership Team", I don't see where you would be able to verify that anyone is a member of USARK?? Did I miss something? :dunno:

Just curious, but unless you are part of the "Leadership Team", I don't see where you would be able to verify that anyone is a member of USARK?? Did I miss something? :dunno:

I believe he was thinking Adam was a member of the leadership team because of his post about the organization he belongs to.... NATPET or whatever it is....

Adam has gone above & beyond what any us has done with this legislation,nomatter what organization he belongs too. He gives everyone information on all the pending bills at every show he does.I read that post awhile ago something seems fishy on the other side of that to me?

Adam has gone above & beyond what any us has done with this legislation,nomatter what organization he belongs too. He gives everyone information on all the pending bills at every show he does.I read that post awhile ago something seems fishy on the other side of that to me?

Then why hasnt it been addressed?

Then why hasnt it been addressed?

Yep, that's all I ask.... I'm not siding with either, it could well be something fishy and he has read this thread BTW.

Then why hasnt it been addressed?

It has been ... privately.

Thank you for your concern, it's appreciated.

-adam

Bingo!

Thanks Ron.

I believe he was thinking Adam was a member of the leadership team because of his post about the organization he belongs to.... NATPET or whatever it is....

It has been ... privately.

Thank you for your concern, it's appreciated.

-adam

Any reason why it took 2 years to resolve?

Any reason why it took 2 years to resolve?

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Thanks for the response!

i have delt with adam a few times and im sure if he says it was delt with and resolved it is hell he sent me a free snake during the airline strike because he had to delay shipping for a week and that wasnt even his fault as far as im concernd he is a stand up honest guy

i have delt with adam a few times and im sure if he says it was delt with and resolved it is hell he sent me a free snake during the airline strike because he had to delay shipping for a week and that wasnt even his fault as far as im concernd he is a stand up honest guy

Imagine how many free ones he would of sent you if he had to delay shipping for 2 years.... :lmao:

Imagine how many free ones he would of sent you if he had to delay shipping for 2 years.... :lmao:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Wow, another 2 months later and this still hasn't been resolved.... :dunno:

Wow, another 2 months later and this still hasn't been resolved.... :dunno:

Really? I thought Adam took care of this? Thats what he said anyway..... :dunno:

Wow, another 2 months later and this still hasn't been resolved.... :dunno:

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

I thought this resolved it?

I thought this resolved it?

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=110252&page=2

I think Adam has some explaining to do as to why this isn't taken care and why he came on here and lied to all of us.

Say what you mean, and mean what you say. A man's only as good as his (or her) word.

I think Adam has some explaining to do as to why this isn't taken care and why he came on here and lied to all of us.
Because it couldn't possibly be the buyer that's lying? :dunno:

Because it couldn't possibly be the buyer that's lying? :dunno:

Really?

What do you have to back such a suggestion?

Adam said above he took responsibility....

Really?

What do you have to back such a suggestion?
Absolutely nothing, just like xanaxes.

Absolutely nothing, just like xanaxes.

Way to contribute.... :rolleyes:

Way to contribute.... :rolleyes:
Just hate seeing people jumping to conclusions is all. I'll be quiet now. ;)

Just hate seeing people jumping to conclusions is all. I'll be quiet now. ;)

I find it strange that 2 months later it's not resolved, (Obviously there is a lot going on we ain't privy to) who is to blame for that, I don't know.... I ain't gunna pin it on either end, but it looks like the balls in the OP's court now....

Just hate seeing people jumping to conclusions is all. I'll be quiet now. ;)

How is this jumping to conclusions?

In my opinion wouldn't you go out of your way to settle up with someone over something that wasn't resolved the first time, would you forget again?? Then here it is 2 months later the buyer is still without his snakes or contact from Adam and Adam said that his email isn't working properly...something just doesn't seem to add up here, we are all busy but damn not even a thought....

Because it couldn't possibly be the buyer that's lying? :dunno:

was he lying the first time? No, adam even made it clear that it was his fault. why would the buyer still be asking for a refund or his snakes? why would he still be trying to get some one to contact him to resolve it publicly? this isn't an attack..it was "privately" taken care of.. now its still "publicly" unresolved.

Absolutely nothing, just like xanaxes.

Maybe you should follow the post more often. doesn't look like a "hey you got your animals or money" post to me. or a he's lying/scamming me post lol. but in the bold below.. he is now all set?

Andrew,

I responded to your PM ... As requested, please use my adam@natpet.org email address for all contacts. My 8ballpythons.com address does not seem to be working reliably and I don't check my PM's here often enough.

I'm all set on this end.

-adam

What I hate seeing is big breeders being defended because they are big breeders. If you screw someone out of money for 2 YEARS and have to be run down constantly to get anything from you, I think its time to hang it up in this industry. I, for one, will not give anyone a free pass just because they are a big breeder.

What I hate seeing is big breeders being defended because they are big breeders. If you screw someone out of money for 2 YEARS and have to be run down constantly to get anything from you, I think its time to hang it up in this industry. I, for one, will not give anyone a free pass just because they are a big breeder.

Well stated. :yessir:

Maybe you should follow the post more often. doesn't look like a "hey you got your animals or money" post to me. or a he's lying/scamming me post lol. but in the bold below.. he is now all set?

Andrew,

I responded to your PM ... As requested, please use my adam@natpet.org email address for all contacts. My 8ballpythons.com address does not seem to be working reliably and I don't check my PM's here often enough.

I'm all set on this end.

-adam

The point is that we DON'T know what's going on. Maybe he got the snakes, maybe he didn't. I just hate to see someone called a liar when we obviously don't have the full story.

What I hate seeing is big breeders being defended because they are big breeders. If you screw someone out of money for 2 YEARS and have to be run down constantly to get anything from you, I think its time to hang it up in this industry. I, for one, will not give anyone a free pass just because they are a big breeder.

Guilty until proven innocent?

The point is that we DON'T know what's going on. Maybe he got the snakes, maybe he didn't. I just hate to see someone called a liar when we obviously don't have the full story.


Guilty until proven innocent?

I think the BP.net thread sums it up pretty well that he hasnt fulfilled his obligation to the op. do you honestly think if it had been taken care of, Adam would have let it be known in stead of telling the guy to email him and that he's ready on his end.. in stead




In this case, yes... the guilt has been admitted and proven. this is no attack on you either Mookfu.. but you're in denial bro.

The point is that we DON'T know what's going on. Maybe he got the snakes, maybe he didn't. I just hate to see someone called a liar when we obviously don't have the full story.



Guilty until proven innocent?



Adam states (2 days ago) clearly that he is "ready to go" on his end, obviously the buyer hasn't got what they paid for and it's not yet resolved another 2 months later. How you could suggest they have got the snakes or got what they paid for is beyond me.... I hate seeing people twist things around to play devil's advocate when they have nothing to back what they are claiming except "Maybe this or Maybe that."

Adam has accepted responsibility, but somehow you keep suggesting the buyer could be at fault?

Thought this was taken care of Adam? 2 1/2 years? Are you kidding me?
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185856

Isnt that sad Ron?





Thought this was taken care of Adam? 2 1/2 years? Are you kidding me?
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185856

Isnt that sad Ron?

Extremely sad. Cant believe someone who was such a large breeder can possibly justify this. Complete scam if you ask me..... :dunno:

Sad and Pathetic.

And this is the guy that wants our money for NATPET? I think not -

And this is the guy that wants our money for NATPET? I think not -

I would recommend putting all your dimes towards USARK - they are the ones with our interests at heart. We don't need splinter groups forming up to try to do the job that USARK does better. Remember, divide and your conquered.... send your cash to USARK, make them stronger. :yessir:

unacceptable. I don't care what the excuse is.

I would recommend putting all your dimes towards USARK - they are the ones with our interests at heart. We don't need splinter groups forming up to try to do the job that USARK does better. Remember, divide and your conquered.... send your cash to USARK, make them stronger. :yessir:

Well said Sput -

I'd don't get the " hard to get ahold of stuff ". Every time I see this it pisses me off.

I work 50 hrs a week , have 100 snakes , breed rats , have 4 dogs , a fiancee and somewhat of a life and I still have time to respond to any and all emails I receive.

Hard to get ahold of = too lazy or doesn't give a shit to respond IMO!!!

I'd don't get the " hard to get ahold of stuff ". Every time I see this it pisses me off.

I work 50 hrs a week , have 100 snakes , breed rats , have 4 dogs , a fiancee and somewhat of a life and I still have time to respond to any and all emails I receive.

Hard to get ahold of = too lazy or doesn't give a shit to respond IMO!!!

I think it's past the "hard to get a hold of"...If I read this right - It's been 2 years...The guys in South Africa...Not to hard to figure out - Ol boy got dicked...

I would recommend putting all your dimes towards USARK - they are the ones with our interests at heart. We don't need splinter groups forming up to try to do the job that USARK does better. Remember, divide and your conquered.... send your cash to USARK, make them stronger. :yessir:
:yessir: :cheers: :rebel: Couldnt have said it better myself Sputter!

I think it's past the "hard to get a hold of"...If I read this right - It's been 2 years...The guys in South Africa...Not to hard to figure out - Ol boy got dicked...

Yeah Adam just plain ol screwed this guy. Not the kind of person who will get my money or my business! :asshat:

I think it's past the "hard to get a hold of"...If I read this right - It's been 2 years...The guys in South Africa...Not to hard to figure out - Ol boy got dicked...

What a joke!! Maybe you guys should have Adam on the show again and ask him about it. :dunno: Could make for an interesting show.

What a joke!! Maybe you guys should have Adam on the show again and ask him about it. :dunno: Could make for an interesting show.

He's too busy to worry about us peons now.... :lmao:

He's too busy to worry about us peons now.... :lmao:

Ahhh I forgot , too hard to get ahold of anyway. :rolleyes:

I'd don't get the " hard to get ahold of stuff ". Every time I see this it pisses me off.

I work 50 hrs a week , have 100 snakes , breed rats , have 4 dogs , a fiancee and somewhat of a life and I still have time to respond to any and all emails I receive.

Hard to get ahold of = too lazy or doesn't give a shit to respond IMO!!!

I almost have the same responsibilities. The fiancee part is the hardest thing to take care of, and she has way more expenses than the snakes will ever have:yes:

I think this issue was brought up a while back.... he never responded then, don't expect him to bother now....

I think this issue was brought up a while back.... he never responded then, don't expect him to bother now....

I think the guy is screwed...sad really

Then why hasnt it been addressed?

It has been ... privately.

Thank you for your concern, it's appreciated.

-adam

I think the guy is screwed...sad really

Looks that way - Adam states it was addressed way back on page 1. He then re-enforced that statement back in January. He has said nothing here since....

Clearly nothing was righted and it was just a feel good statement put out to appease the thread by Adam.... Unless it has since been resolved (I see nothing to support that) then I don't see any reason why you would put your trust and your money in NATPET's hands (Who you never hear of anyway) when you have some serious ethics issues and a lack of responsibility and neglect being shown by Adam Wysoki.

Looks that way - Adam states it was addressed way back on page 1. He then re-enforced that statement back in January. He has said nothing here since....

Clearly nothing was righted and it was just a feel good statement put out to appease the thread by Adam.... Unless it has since been resolved (I see nothing to support that) then I don't see any reason why you would put your trust and your money in NATPET's hands (Who you never hear of anyway) when you have some serious ethics issues and a lack of responsibility and neglect being shown by Adam Wysoki.

I will be 100% honest, I wasnt happy about this NATPET being started right in the middle of the ban's hitting congress. I will never support the organization completely based on Adam and his actions.

I will be 100% honest, I wasnt happy about this NATPET being started right in the middle of the ban's hitting congress. I will never support the organization completely based on Adam and his actions.

Nope me niether.... I think adam is the biggest joke along with Nat pet. They pulled the USARK auction out of Repticon because nat pet said andrew wyatt just threw the burmese python under the bus? Not sure what thats all about. That rumor came from a group that helps NAT PET at Repticon.

There's no possible excuse for this. Ths South African should show up on Adam's doorstep.

I have to ask, does NATPET even still exist anymore? Or has it gone down the drain already?

I have to ask, does NATPET even still exist anymore? Or has it gone down the drain already?

Not sure. Havent heard anything about them in a while.....

Hey everyone......was pointed towards this thread as I was not aware of it.

Unfortunately yet to hear from Adam. I have emailed 8ballpythons (bounced), adam@natpet and general natpet enquiries but got no replies from anyone.

I am going to put together a detailed timeline so it can't be said that i did not detail all the facts but the summary is I ordered 17 snakes, $4750 & $1000 paid in full, have not received any snakes and mutually agreed to cancel the transaction and get refunded in full but that's where it ended.

Any idea what route I should take now?

I understand if he is in financial difficulty but the least he can do is get back to me. It's funny because when I first contacted him I asked if we could do a payment plan over a year and he said it was too long. I paid in full unfortunately....... I suppose I am too trusting.

Hey everyone......was pointed towards this thread as I was not aware of it.

Unfortunately yet to hear from Adam. I have emailed 8ballpythons (bounced), adam@natpet and general natpet enquiries but got no replies from anyone.

I am going to put together a detailed timeline so it can't be said that i did not detail all the facts but the summary is I ordered 17 snakes, $4750 & $1000 paid in full, have not received any snakes and mutually agreed to cancel the transaction and get refunded in full but that's where it ended.

Any idea what route I should take now?

I understand if he is in financial difficulty but the least he can do is get back to me. It's funny because when I first contacted him I asked if we could do a payment plan over a year and he said it was too long. I paid in full unfortunately....... I suppose I am too trusting.

Thieves are low lifes.... I hope you can get something done to get yourself some kind of compensation.

I hope that you get your money from him! He claimed at one time to the biggest the baddest ball breeder! Wow how hard they fall!

Brock

Hey everyone......was pointed towards this thread as I was not aware of it.

Unfortunately yet to hear from Adam. I have emailed 8ballpythons (bounced), adam@natpet and general natpet enquiries but got no replies from anyone.

I am going to put together a detailed timeline so it can't be said that i did not detail all the facts but the summary is I ordered 17 snakes, $4750 & $1000 paid in full, have not received any snakes and mutually agreed to cancel the transaction and get refunded in full but that's where it ended.

Any idea what route I should take now?

I understand if he is in financial difficulty but the least he can do is get back to me. It's funny because when I first contacted him I asked if we could do a payment plan over a year and he said it was too long. I paid in full unfortunately....... I suppose I am too trusting.

Thieves are low lifes.... I hope you can get something done to get yourself some kind of compensation.

Sorry to hear you were taken by this scumbag. Hopefully you get something out of this from him....

NATPET was at the last Columbia, SC repticon show and that when i found that they were going to stop usark from being there.i will not support natpet im for usark and cant belive repticon is give usark the cold shoulder like that.

I've been reading this thread and just put 2 and 2 together as to who this guy is... I've been like... "IDK who this is" since it was started (blonde moment) ... This is the guy I got my first ideas on how and what to breed from.... i read his blogs/journal and got my 'breeding calendar' off his site.... emailed him with questions and got helpful responses... I never bought from him though and I'm glad I didn't now...

Wow how people change.....


I truly, truly hope this gets resolved. I cannot fathom how seriously POed I would be if this were my hard earned money out the window....

~Beth

NATPET was at the last Columbia, SC repticon show and that when i found that they were going to stop usark from being there.i will not support natpet im for usark and cant belive repticon is give usark the cold shoulder like that.

Can you explain a little bit on the "when i found that they were going to stop usark from being there"...

Can you explain a little bit on the "when i found that they were going to stop usark from being there"...

I agree..i'd like know myself.

natpet took the auction at the repticon show from usark by telling repticon that usark is throwing the burm under the bus.thats what everyone was talking about at the show.i figure there is more to the story but that is all i have.

This is terrible. I can not believe all the places this is posted and Adam is completely ignoring it everywere. He hasn't logged into his account here since March and I am not holding my breath to see him address it here or on the BOI. I certainly hope this guy is able to get his money back from this POS.

I tell ya I just do not understand what is happening to our hobby. So many people that were initially deemed trustworthy are shooting their entire reputation down the drain like a smell wet turd.

This is terrible. I can not believe all the places this is posted and Adam is completely ignoring it everywere. He hasn't logged into his account here since March and I am not holding my breath to see him address it here or on the BOI. I certainly hope this guy is able to get his money back from this POS.

I tell ya I just do not understand what is happening to our hobby. So many people that were initially deemed trustworthy are shooting their entire reputation down the drain like a smell wet turd.

Of course he is ignoring it - it will die as an issue quicker if he makes no comment.

Of course he is ignoring it - it will die as an issue quicker if he makes no comment.

Well I for one dont plan on letting this die. THis is a guy who has made a fortune off this industry and now is taking a big dump on it. Not cool in my book no matter who you are..... Adam stop being a douchebag and pay the guy his money.

Well I for one dont plan on letting this die. THis is a guy who has made a fortune off this industry and now is taking a big dump on it. Not cool in my book no matter who you are..... Adam stop being a douchebag and pay the guy his money.

And why he is at it explain the repticon auction and USARK thing to me...I'm not understanding that one to clearly, how an organization such as USARK that does so much for all of us gets that kind of treatment.

Could be just a rumor, but it was said on another forum that he was handing the reins of NatPet to someone else. Anyone have more info on that?

Could be just a rumor, but it was said on another forum that he was handing the reins of NatPet to someone else. Anyone have more info on that?

If he handles that like he did this deal, I would see why.....

Could be just a rumor, but it was said on another forum that he was handing the reins of NatPet to someone else. Anyone have more info on that?

I don't care who takes over, my cash goes to USARK.... :yessir:

I don't care who takes over, my cash goes to USARK.... :yessir:

HHOOOAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!! :yessir:

I don't care who takes over, my cash goes to USARK.... :yessir:

It's not about who takes over or who the cash goes to. Mine goes to USARK as well. I'm just curious as to the why behind it if it's true.

I hope that you get your money from him! He claimed at one time to the biggest the baddest ball breeder! Wow how hard they fall!

Brock

Typical scumbag behavior, Brock. I would expect nothing less from you or the others on this thread (and this site). Bush league really does describe what goes on here. You guys keep flapping your gums and maybe one day this guy will post some proof and a timeline of the events. Although, why bother with facts when when it is so easy to slam someone who has been a top notch breeder in this industry and spent an assload of time fighting for the rights of all of you. Brock, I seem to remember when you were a nobody starting out a few years ago and Adam helped you through email with question after question. ############## ponderous...

I have never been so glad to be out of this business/hobby and to disassociate myself with the likes of some of you. Maybe I'll come back one day when the sludge has been washed away...

I would expect nothing less from you or the others on this thread (and this site)

:lmao::lmao::lmao: It's an Wysocki fanboy :lmao:

:lmao::lmao::lmao: It's an Wysocki fanboy :lmao:

Actually to correct your use of our language, it would be: It's a Wysocki fanboy.

If wanting to see some proof (and more specifically a timeline) of these alleged crimes against our friend from South Africa makes me a fanboy, then guilty as charged.
:yessir:

Actually to correct your use of our language, it would be: It's a Wysocki fanboy.

If wanting to see some proof (and more specifically a timeline) of these alleged crimes against our friend from South Africa makes me a fanboy, then guilty as charged.
:yessir:

Yes you are correct, a not an. Must have typed the extra n when I was laughing to hard...

Yes you are correct, a not an. Must have typed the extra n when I was laughing to hard...

Yeah, that must have been it.

It has been ... privately.

Thank you for your concern, it's appreciated.

-adam

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Typical scumbag behavior, Brock. I would expect nothing less from you or the others on this thread (and this site). Bush league really does describe what goes on here. You guys keep flapping your gums and maybe one day this guy will post some proof and a timeline of the events. Although, why bother with facts when when it is so easy to slam someone who has been a top notch breeder in this industry and spent an assload of time fighting for the rights of all of you. Brock, I seem to remember when you were a nobody starting out a few years ago and Adam helped you through email with question after question. ############## ponderous...

I have never been so glad to be out of this business/hobby and to disassociate myself with the likes of some of you. Maybe I'll come back one day when the sludge has been washed away...

Actually to correct your use of our language, it would be: It's a Wysocki fanboy.

If wanting to see some proof (and more specifically a timeline) of these alleged crimes against our friend from South Africa makes me a fanboy, then guilty as charged.
:yessir:

Well Jamie, I have always gotten along with you. But as you can see Adam took responsibility for this at the beginning of this thread and said he was going to take care of it, so there is nothing alleged about it. Why should we now have to have a time line and proof? :dunno: Adam knows of this thread and if he had already taken care of it would have come here and stated so. You have participated in many threads a lot worse than this on Fauna and didn't have problems with it. I just hope your friendship with Adam doesn't blind you to the truth. Sorry to hear you left the hobby.....

Well Jamie, I have always gotten along with you. But as you can see Adam took responsibility for this at the beginning of this thread and said he was going to take care of it, so there is nothing alleged about it. Why should we now have to have a time line and proof? :dunno: Adam knows of this thread and if he had already taken care of it would have come here and stated so. You have participated in many threads a lot worse than this on Fauna and didn't have problems with it. I just hope your friendship with Adam doesn't blind you to the truth. Sorry to hear you left the hobby.....

Bill,

There are two sides to every story. I don't know the facts and would like to. I have a problem with a lot of the people who frequent this forum and how things are run here. This isn't the first time someone has been attacked and beaten down on a personal level without cause.

Respectfully,

Jamie

Read below.

Brock

Jamie your response is typical of you and your elk. I remember when Adam and his club tried to run every breeder that was competition for him off BP.NET! Oh how it was entertaining to have people contact me after they saw the light and will tell me about the plots and scheming and all of the lies. I want you to look at the scoreboard now I am still here and my business is doing better than ever!

Tell your boy to take care of this guy!

Brock

Jamie your behavior is typical of you and your elk. At least you guys don't run BP.NET like you used to. You guys tried hard to run off Adams competition but hey look at the scoreboard I am still here and thriving betterbthan ever! Tell your boy to pay the man his refund!


Brock
My elk...Priceless!!


You really are as much of an ass as you always have been. Who tried to run off anyone's competition? All a figment of your wild imagination. Take care pal.

My elk...Priceless!!


You really are as much of an ass as you always have been. Who tried to run off anyone's competition? All a figment of your wild imagination. Take care pal.

By the way, I had to get to 5 posts on this site to post a link so here is my elk. Ass.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/jglass38/elk.jpg

Jamie you will never change. Did you get married to that one gal? Honest question.

Have fun doing whatever you do Jamie and thanks for stopping by!

Brock

Jamie you will never change. Did you get married to that one gal? Honest question.

Have fun doing whatever you do Jamie and thanks for stopping by!

Brock

Not sure what you are talking about (as usual) but thanks for the interest in my personal life. Best of luck!

Oh and sorry for the IPAD typo I am sure you will smoke something and laugh at it for six months.

Damn thing.

Brock

The girl that was on BP.NET she was your girlfriend remember did you two get married?

Brock

The girl that was on BP.NET she was your girlfriend remember did you two get married?

Brock

Not that it's any of your business but we are living happily together. Hope it brightens your day!

Best Regards,

Jamie

This isn't the first time someone has been attacked and beaten down on a personal level without cause.



Like who?

Bill,

There are two sides to every story. I don't know the facts and would like to. I have a problem with a lot of the people who frequent this forum and how things are run here. This isn't the first time someone has been attacked and beaten down on a personal level without cause.

Respectfully,

Jamie

The one fact that stands out is Adam has admitted FULL responsibility, he has denied nothing up to that statement he made on Jan 22nd, but nothing has been followed through on to right an obvious wrong and Adam won't comment.

I'd also like to know who has been beaten down and attacked for no reason?

I'd also like to know who has been beaten down and attacked for no reason?

Since I don't want to bring the person's name up who was attacked and treated like a criminal without evidence, I will just say I don't expect much more from a forum called bush league and run by the redneck from the south (I think that is what he calls himself).

run by the redneck from the south (I think that is what he calls himself).

...:rebel:

...:rebel:

Right...The guy who along with Larry Suttles kissed Adam's ass on your radio show but then allows him to be bashed on your site without even a presentation of proof or a timeline. He deserves better from you. Just my 2 cents, couldn't give a crap whether the people on this fringe site agree with it or not.

Right...The guy who along with Larry Suttles kissed Adam's ass on your radio show but then allows him to be bashed on your site without even a presentation of proof or a timeline. He deserves better from you. Just my 2 cents, couldn't give a crap whether the people on this fringe site agree with it or not.

Kissed Adamss ass? Come on now Jamie - Get real...

This site that your bashing - It ain't (that's redneck talk) BP.net...Adam's reply right here in this thread is enough for me...Adams silence isn't helping his case...

I'm off to work...You wanna keep it going - No problem...Just give me an hour or so and we'll pick it right back up...:rebel:

Kissed Adamss ass? Come on now Jamie - Get real...

This site that your bashing - It ain't (that's redneck talk) BP.net...Adam's reply right here in this thread is enough for me...Adams silence isn't helping his case...

I'm off to work...You wanna keep it going - No problem...Just give me an hour or so and we'll pick it right back up...:rebel:

I actually think it was something more than ass kissing...I'd say taint massaging. :rockon: Regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am not active on bp.net (or any reptile forum) and haven't been in quite awhile. I really couldn't give a crap what is going on in the reptile world, most of which is inhabited by scumbags and scammers. I just know Adam is not one of those guys and you do as well. Have a great day at work and let the bashing begin. I can take it. :cheers:

Since I don't want to bring the person's name up who was attacked and treated like a criminal without evidence, I will just say I don't expect much more from a forum called bush league and run by the redneck from the south (I think that is what he calls himself).

So you can make the claim, but you can't back it up.... you answer a question by attacking the site and one of the owners. Which has nothing to do with the issue, which is Adam's silence and an unresolved complaint that he freely admitted blame for.

I actually think it was something more than ass kissing...I'd say taint massaging. :rockon: Regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am not active on bp.net (or any reptile forum) and haven't been in quite awhile. I really couldn't give a crap what is going on in the reptile world, most of which is inhabited by scumbags and scammers. I just know Adam is not one of those guys and you do as well. Have a great day at work and let the bashing begin. I can take it. :cheers:

Clearly that isn't true, if you didn't give a crap you wouldn't be here posting....

Clearly that isn't true, if you didn't give a crap you wouldn't be here posting....

Nope, don't give a crap about the industry. I had some free time on a Sunday and felt like posting on this thread in defense of a person I believe has done a great deal for the hobby. :yessir:

I have never been so glad to be out of this business/hobby and to disassociate myself with the likes of some of you. Maybe I'll come back one day when the sludge has been washed away...

Sorry to hear you feel that way, Jamie. :(

Nope, don't give a crap about the industry. I had some free time on a Sunday and felt like posting on this thread in defense of a person I believe has done a great deal for the hobby. :yessir:

There has been alot of Sundays since this first happened...why now since you have stated numerous times you don't give a crap about the industry but want to defend a person 'who has done a great deal for the hobby' you don't give a crap about...

Right...The guy who along with Larry Suttles kissed Adam's ass on your radio show but then allows him to be bashed on your site without even a presentation of proof or a timeline. He deserves better from you. Just my 2 cents, couldn't give a crap whether the people on this fringe site agree with it or not.

Don't you think the person who Adam has left high and dry for two and half years deserves better? Adam has been on RR a few times, that's a lot of good advertising for him.... must of been terrible to get that free airtime. Why does he need to prove a time line, he admitted responsibility in full?

It's interesting you label Brock Wagner a scumbag, someone who has not left a paying customer high and dry for years. Someone who has through his success with ball pythons generated tremendous interest in them and the hobby, but somehow he's a scumbag? He didn't take someone's hard earned cash and then not deliver what was paid for.

Yet you defend someone who did just that. :dunno:

He didn't take someone's hard earned cash and then not deliver what was paid for.


Twice if you take into account Wysocki doing all those shows and selling off his animals to fund whatever...that means he would have sold them two times.

I actually think it was something more than ass kissing...I'd say taint massaging. :rockon: Regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am not active on bp.net (or any reptile forum) and haven't been in quite awhile. I really couldn't give a crap what is going on in the reptile world, most of which is inhabited by scumbags and scammers. I just know Adam is not one of those guys and you do as well. Have a great day at work and let the bashing begin. I can take it. :cheers:

Your a funny guy Jamie...True be told - I never wanted Adam on as a guest - Period...I always thought he came across as being fake but that's just me...

I'm not here to bash you...This thread isn't about you - me - your love for Brock or this board...It's about Adam's failure to deliver snakes or a refund to a guy in South Africa...

What I do find interesting is more than one person came out on Fauna saying Adam dicked them too...IMO - Bill hit the nail on the head...Your blind by your friendship with Adam...

I think this would be a really good conversation to have Saturday night...:yes:

I think this would be a really good conversation to have Saturday night...:yes:

Totally have stayed out of all of this, but that one gets my vote!!:yessir:

There has been alot of Sundays since this first happened...why now since you have stated numerous times you don't give a crap about the industry but want to defend a person 'who has done a great deal for the hobby' you don't give a crap about...

Was there a question in there?

Your a funny guy Jamie...True be told - I never wanted Adam on as a guest - Period...I always thought he came across as being fake but that's just me...

I'm not here to bash you...This thread isn't about you - me - your love for Brock or this board...It's about Adam's failure to deliver snakes or a refund to a guy in South Africa...

What I do find interesting is more than one person came out on Fauna saying Adam dicked them too...IMO - Bill hit the nail on the head...Your blind by your friendship with Adam...

I think this would be a really good conversation to have Saturday night...:yes:

Sure you didn't, BT. Quit being a phony for 5 minutes. You had him on, what, twice? Now who is being fake?

Sure you didn't, BT. Quit being a phony for 5 minutes. You had him on, what, twice? Now who is being fake?

Ask anybody...Ask Phil Buscher - Ask Larry - Ask anybody that KNOWS me...I've always said Adam sounded like a fake ass used car salesman -

Your silly Jamie - Real silly...Keep reachin' -

Any reason why it took 2 years to resolve?

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Jamie - do you deny Adam wrote this reply? And what would be your reasoning that it has taken 2 years without the offered resolution being completed?

Please keep the off topic comments/insults to the saloon thread..... Below post has been moved there for all your viewing entertainment.


http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=20977

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Please keep the off topic comments/insults to the saloon thread..... Below post has been moved there for all your viewing entertainment.


http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=20977

Thanks Sput...

Jamie - If you'd like access to the Saloon to carry on with the "off topic" comments just let me know...

Jamie - do you deny Adam wrote this reply? And what would be your reasoning that it has taken 2 years without the offered resolution being completed?

Kare,

Glad to see an intelligent post put forth that strictly asks a question without a ton of rhetoric. To answer, I really have no idea. I don't deny that he wrote it obviously but don't know exactly what context it was meant in as it related to the deal with Andrew. I could surmise that there were some CITES issues which caused the process to be dragged out and if paperwork had to be resubmitted a few times for any reason, it could certainly have been a long winded process. I don't know what the offered resolution was, how long it was to be paid out over, how many payments were made, what was left over or any other details. Sure, I could guess that may partial payments were made and a financial problem occurred on Adam's end. Communication may have broken down. I don't know. I wish I had the answers. If I did I would tell everyone. I just don't.

Thanks Sput...

Jamie - If you'd like access to the Saloon to carry on with the "off topic" comments just let me know...

Sure..

If only just to read what is written about me. I like being the center of attention. :yes:

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Sure..

If only just to read what is written about me. I like being the center of attention. :yes:

You have to say "please"?

You have to say "please"?

Does pretty please work for ya?

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Kare,

Glad to see an intelligent post put forth that strictly asks a question without a ton of rhetoric. To answer, I really have no idea. I don't deny that he wrote it obviously but don't know exactly what context it was meant in as it related to the deal with Andrew. I could surmise that there were some CITES issues which caused the process to be dragged out and if paperwork had to be resubmitted a few times for any reason, it could certainly have been a long winded process. I don't know what the offered resolution was, how long it was to be paid out over, how many payments were made, what was left over or any other details. Sure, I could guess that may partial payments were made and a financial problem occurred on Adam's end. Communication may have broken down. I don't know. I wish I had the answers. If I did I would tell everyone. I just don't.

How do you not know what context "Yes, several. I take full responsibility." it was meant? Seriously?

Yes, several. I take full responsibility. I have apologized to the buyers for my mistakes, and offered a resolution that was happily accepted. All parties involved are moving forward positively and I've taken steps to make sure that my mistakes are not repeated.

-adam

Does pretty please work for ya?

Nope - Just please...And "ya" - That's redneck talk...:yes:

How do you not know what context "Yes, several. I take full responsibility." it was meant? Seriously?

I understand what the phrase means, BT. I make mistakes every day as we all do. He may have been speaking about his lack of communication during the deal or a mistake on CITES paperwork that led to delays and the need to resubmit said paperwork. Again, I just don't know.

From Wikipedia: Context is the surroundings, circumstances, environment, background, or settings which determine, specify, or clarify the meaning of an event.

I still don't have a timeline or even a single piece of useful info from Andrew to know for sure how things went down. Just because someone admits to having made a mistake doesn't mean everything was their fault or that the other person didn't make even larger mistakes in the deal.

Nope - Just please...And "ya" - That's redneck talk...:yes:

I'm well aware of redneck talk. I grew up in a cow town in Ohio and know a thing or two... :yes:

I wouldnt waste my time with this moron Jamie Ass. He knows he is nothing but a shit stirrer and always has been. If he had any sense in that little piss ant brain of his he would be able to comprehend what this site is all about but apparently kissing Wysocki's ass is more important than defending the guy Wysocki screwed over. Smae old shit Jamie.... same old shit.

I wouldnt waste my time with this moron Jamie Ass. He knows he is nothing but a shit stirrer and always has been. If he had any sense in that little piss ant brain of his he would be able to comprehend what this site is all about but apparently kissing Wysocki's ass is more important than defending the guy Wysocki screwed over. Smae old shit Jamie.... same old shit.

Brilliant post jerky...Get your head out of your ass for five minutes and try to comprehend the written language. :yessir:

Brilliant post jerky...Get your head out of your ass for five minutes and try to comprehend the written language. :yessir:

Yep, same old idiot. Thanks for proving my point Jamie! :cheers:

Yep, same old idiot. Thanks for proving my point Jamie! :cheers:

Which point did I prove? That you are too illiterate to have a meaningful conversation? I know you need to try to defend your site and your captain or general or whatever the hell ranking system goes on here but try to focus on the facts for a minute or two. Thanks!

Brilliant post jerky...Get your head out of your ass for five minutes and try to comprehend the written language. :yessir:

I would ask you to do the same but then again you can't read the words that your boy wrote right here...

It's written out, it's been quoted, it's been pointed out...

Instead of wasting our time why not do what the South African guy can't and call your buddy and ask him about it all?

I understand what the phrase means, BT. I make mistakes every day as we all do. He may have been speaking about his lack of communication during the deal or a mistake on CITES paperwork that led to delays and the need to resubmit said paperwork. Again, I just don't know.

You see - That's were that friendship is blinding you...

If your such good friends with the guy - Why not just call him and see what's up?

Which point did I prove? That you are too illiterate to have a meaningful conversation? I know you need to try to defend your site and your captain or general or whatever the hell ranking system goes on here but try to focus on the facts for a minute or two. Thanks!

You are just full of all the good cheer about this forum aren't you...:lmao:

Can't help your buddy so you are just lashing out like a little 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum...:yes:

You see - That's were that friendship is blinding you...

If your such good friends with the guy - Why not just call him and see what's up?

Not my job, mang. We can all go back and forth but it's clear my previous posts where I laid out context, timelines and proof either went over some heads or is just easier to ignore. This is becoming boring for me... <yawn>

However, if anything good can come out of this, I think I have found a new site where I can contribute and really be part of things! Unless of course I am banned quickly for expressing my opinions. I hope not because I want to move up in rank! :yes:

THe fact is Adam screwed a guy out of thousands of dollars and has had 2 years to make it right. He wont even talk to the guy or return an email and somehow Adam isnt to blame? Hmmmm.... just doesnt add up to me....

THe fact is Adam screwed a guy out of thousands of dollars and has had 2 years to make it right. He wont even talk to the guy or return an email and somehow Adam isnt to blame? Hmmmm.... just doesnt add up to me....

Please..I am begging you..Put aside your hatred for a minute and go back and read the last long post I made. Just saying he screwed someone and has had 2 years to make it right is likely not quite accurate. I really don't want to rehash it since I just typed it minutes ago and I am too lazy to quote the post.

You are just full of all the good cheer about this forum aren't you...:lmao:

Can't help your buddy so you are just lashing out like a little 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum...:yes:

I am doing a 180 on this forum. I love it now! :wamma:

I don't need to help anyone. He is a big boy. Just the facts ma'am (or sir if you wish).

Please..I am begging you..Put aside your hatred for a minute and go back and read the last long post I made. Just saying he screwed someone and has had 2 years to make it right is likely not quite accurate. I really don't want to rehash it since I just typed it minutes ago and I am too lazy to quote the post.
Not that you will get to read this but I have no hatred toward Adam... Hell I dont even breed ball pythons. What I dont like is someone who is supposed to be a top breeder in this industry screwing people over.

I am doing a 180 on this forum. I love it now! :wamma:

I don't need to help anyone. He is a big boy. Just the facts ma'am (or sir if you wish).

Being it was asked on post #120 to keep the off topic comments/insults to the saloon thread version and you can't comprehend that and have continued to just ignore that the point system has booted you for 7 days.... when you get back, try keeping the insults etc to the saloon version.

Sorry for bringing your 180 to a grinding halt.... and before you cry foul that you got singled out, you were not the only one that got pts.

LOL...Fun times at the BLBC -

LOL...Fun times at the BLBC -

Where else would you rather be on a slow Sunday afternoon! :cheers:

Not that you will get to read this but I have no hatred toward Adam... Hell I dont even breed ball pythons. What I dont like is someone who is supposed to be a top breeder in this industry screwing people over.

Where else would you rather be on a slow Sunday afternoon! :cheers:

No where but here Sput...No where but here -

Being it was asked on post #120 to keep the off topic comments/insults to the saloon thread version and you can't comprehend that and have continued to just ignore that the point system has booted you for 7 days.... when you get back, try keeping the insults etc to the saloon version.

Sorry for bringing your 180 to a grinding halt.... and before you cry foul that you got singled out, you were not the only one that got pts.

Just to update.... here is the saloon version.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?p=440516#post440516

BT I wonder if Jamie sold all of his balls to IAN G cheap as well? Probably did. He will never change and he is way to dumb to ever figure it out. He has been a well oiled manipulated monkey ever since I have known him!

Good riddance Jamie Glass!

Brock

BT I wonder if Jamie sold all of his balls to IAN G cheap as well? Probably did. He will never change and he is way to dumb to ever figure it out. He has been a well oiled manipulated monkey ever since I have known him!

Good riddance Jamie Glass!

Brock

No, sweetpea. He sold a good majority of them to me. And I can assure you they were NOT cheap.

Probably a good thing Jamie has left the hobby. An individual who supports a bonified douchebag doesn't have any credibility in my books.

Regardless of Adam selling his collection to focus on something else, he should have made good with his customers. How does he suppose his coat tail riding association, will benefit from kicking people in the face that are directly involved in the hobby he is trying to "support". Time to hang the hat on this one, because Natpet and 8 ball are officially in the shitter.

Natpet = Not amounting to piss eh thief?

I gotta start posting more, I need in the saloon! BLBC Rocks!!

Post straight off Fauna from Andrew -

"Sorry everyone I have been sick and not on the forums for a while......

I have heard from Adam via email and been promised a full refund over the next 6 months.

I will keep updating so everyone knows what is going on.

If you still want proof uploaded I can do this.....or send me your email"

What say you now Mr. Glass...

I say you got your foot in your mouth and your head up your ass...LOL

Post straight off Fauna from Andrew -

"Sorry everyone I have been sick and not on the forums for a while......

I have heard from Adam via email and been promised a full refund over the next 6 months.

I will keep updating so everyone knows what is going on.

If you still want proof uploaded I can do this.....or send me your email"

What say you now Mr. Glass...

I say you got your foot in your mouth and your head up your ass...LOL
Things that make you go hhhmmmmmmmmm......

Typical scumbag behavior, Brock. I would expect nothing less from you or the others on this thread (and this site). Bush league really does describe what goes on here. You guys keep flapping your gums and maybe one day this guy will post some proof and a timeline of the events. Although, why bother with facts when when it is so easy to slam someone who has been a top notch breeder in this industry and spent an assload of time fighting for the rights of all of you. Brock, I seem to remember when you were a nobody starting out a few years ago and Adam helped you through email with question after question. ############## ponderous...

I have never been so glad to be out of this business/hobby and to disassociate myself with the likes of some of you. Maybe I'll come back one day when the sludge has been washed away...

Well he ain't the brightest bean in the tin is he?

Post straight off Fauna from Andrew -

"Sorry everyone I have been sick and not on the forums for a while......

I have heard from Adam via email and been promised a full refund over the next 6 months.

I will keep updating so everyone knows what is going on.

If you still want proof uploaded I can do this.....or send me your email"

What say you now Mr. Glass...

I say you got your foot in your mouth and your head up your ass...LOL

Most trolls usually do have their foot in the mouth and their head up their ass or up someone elses. :cheers:


I hope Adam actually follows through with the promise this time.... :yes:

Most trolls usually do have their foot in the mouth and their head up their ass or up someone elses. :cheers:


I hope Adam actually follows through with the promise this time.... :yes:

Dont hold your breath.....

I just read this entire post and I would never do biz w Wysocki or Glass. Sounds like the shit birds dont fly to far from the shit tree. Thats Canadian trailer park boy redneck talk lol

That hole is getting deeper and deeper aint it wysocki?

Latest update from the guy he screwed:

It has been a while and thought I would post an update

Adam said he closed his Paypal Account so the only way we could receive a refund was by cheque.

I received $400 in August leaving over $5000 still outstanding but following that I have received nothing.

Apparently a further cheque was sent in September but there was an error in the "bank payment system" APPARENTLY

Another two cheques were apparently sent last month but still nothing.

Also.....apparently he does not get a tracking number from the US postal service - hard to believe. So I have no way of knowing if anything has been sent at all!

He is going through a lot I understand in his personal life but I will gladly accept that but all I ask for is honesty not this fraudulent activity of lying about sending payments.

What should I do? Has anyone seen him at anymore shows?

Apparently Mr. Wysocki is unaware that international wire transfers have been a possibility for years now :lmao:
You don't need Paypal for that.

What a joke!

Apparently Mr. Wysocki is unaware that international wire transfers have been a possibility for years now :lmao:
You don't need Paypal for that.

What a joke!

Correct - this is another lame excuse to not honor or man up.

Anyone looked at Natpet? Is he still involved? I ask, because I couldn't find anything about anyone that is involved?

The site is pretty empty - there are numerous links that are just a title.... you click on them and there is nothing on the page.... dead empty page. Ironic that a link under articles that says "Together we can all make a difference" you click on it and dead empty page.... I wouldn't waste my time donating or promoting such an empty shell of a site.

All I found on Wysoki was when clicking on the reptiles section... which all it has is a link to ball python care... that's it for reptiles, nothing else is mentioned.... no other species, nada.

There is a small blurb at the bottom telling you how Adam is committed to helping pet owners.... doesn't seem like he wants to help this guy out one bit!

Wysoki and Natpet get the thumbs down from me - what a joke. I sure wouldn't donate my money, because who knows what it's really getting used for?

I can see that site fading off to oblivion....

USARK all the way - I know where the money goes and I know I can trust these guys!

Correct - this is another lame excuse to not honor or man up.

Anyone looked at Natpet? Is he still involved? I ask, because I couldn't find anything about anyone that is involved?

The site is pretty empty - there are numerous links that are just a title.... you click on them and there is nothing on the page.... dead empty page. Ironic that a link under articles that says "Together we can all make a difference" you click on it and dead empty page.... I wouldn't waste my time donating or promoting such an empty shell of a site.

All I found on Wysoki was when clicking on the reptiles section... which all it has is a link to ball python care... that's it for reptiles, nothing else is mentioned.... no other species, nada.

There is a small blurb at the bottom telling you how Adam is committed to helping pet owners.... doesn't seem like he wants to help this guy out one bit!

Wysoki and Natpet get the thumbs down from me - what a joke. I sure wouldn't donate my money, because who knows what it's really getting used for?

I can see that site fading off to oblivion....

USARK all the way - I know where the money goes and I know I can trust these guys!

:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

damn- i think this thread has the most red cards and points i saw till now. what a scumbag this adam is- but jamie is even worse. adam did wrong but jamie even defends this- unbelievable. im really sad for the "buyer". u dont earn 5500$ in two days (at least most off us dont).

i think it would be a hard battle, but i would carry this scumbag to court. its even harder because its in two different lands, but that dont give him the right to tread him like this. u dont pay 5500$ without paperwork, so he can probably bring all the evidence and should win this fight.


otherwise he would probably wait another 3 years for the next 400 buck cheque.


its really a shame that people that were well known breeders in this industrie behave like this.
if he would still be in business this would probably would have ruined him- or he would have behaved different.

i really hope he get his money back, but honstly he should get more than just his money. if he had that on a bank he would have much more now, or if he recieved the animals he would have even much more

Not really my place, but Jamie, wow. you are an ass. Speaks volumes about your lack of integrity, defending an obvious wrong doing/er. If your wife commited murder would you help her hide the body? Probably. Sad.

Hello - My name is David and I am the other person in South Africa that Adam owes money to - It is almost three years since Andrew and myself paid Adam Wysocki our very hard earned money for ball pythons that we never received . I was going to "piggy back" on Andrew's shipment and I purchased 2 ball pythons from Adam for 2000 USD . I have also tried on numerous occasions to contact Adam but with no success !! On one occassion he told me that he could not reply to me because he was at his sick son's bedside , only to be told at a later stage that Adam actually attended the Hamm show over that period ??? He is a liar and my opinion is that he cannot be trusted to receive donation's from the general public (NATPET). He did send me a cheque in August (2010) for 400 USD but have since been lied to and told by Adam that the cheque is in the post ??? (Can you believe that his preffered way of paying is by posting a cheque - unbelievable ?? )
? I have also asked Adam to take me ball pythons to the value of 1600 USD to the Hamm show, I would then get a friend to collect the snakes for me - BUT , I have not heard anything from Adam !!! Jamie ps ask Adam to contact me ? I am also willing to provide proof of this transaction with Adam - BUT , oh , I forgot Adam already admitted to everything on this thread !!!

Ps tell him that if he does not contact me I will be reporting him to the local police in Maryland and I will also be informing your IRS that he is a con man and that he is receiving donations from NATPET - Ps tell him that I am not just going to go away !!! I will go on every forum until he pay's me my money (And Andrew).

I really do hope that the American people also apply pressure on Adam and Natpet as he cannot be trusted .

David

David, sorry you guys got taken advantage of. Please consider this experience with US breeders an exception rather than the rule. Also, you won't find much, if any Natpet support around these parts.

David, sorry you guys got taken advantage of. Please consider this experience with US breeders an exception rather than the rule. Also, you won't find much, if any Natpet support around these parts.

I agree. Adam is a scumbag and not the kind of people we support. We have tried to put pressure on him but since he is "out of the business", he doesnt seem to care. I too am sorry he is such a loser scumbag and wont pay you guys. I hope someday he grows a pair and pays you both the money he owes....

This really Sucks to see happen. I used to think Adam was a friend. Although I dont agree with the "scumbag" part I do agree with the "loser" part, Just because he let this go on for so long. Sorry you guys are getting The Shaft!:mad:

David, in all fairness I'd be looking for more than $1600, you're not taking into account interests nor the fact that the US $ has lost part of its value in the last 3 years.
You are so nice about this. If he were to send you animals to Hamm, Germany you'd still have to pay out of your own pocket the trip from Germany to South Africa. For what it's worth I haven't seen him over in Hamm this year.

Hope you get what your are owed.

Hello - My name is David and I am the other person in South Africa that Adam owes money to - It is almost three years since Andrew and myself paid Adam Wysocki our very hard earned money for ball pythons that we never received . I was going to "piggy back" on Andrew's shipment and I purchased 2 ball pythons from Adam for 2000 USD . I have also tried on numerous occasions to contact Adam but with no success !! On one occassion he told me that he could not reply to me because he was at his sick son's bedside , only to be told at a later stage that Adam actually attended the Hamm show over that period ??? He is a liar and my opinion is that he cannot be trusted to receive donation's from the general public (NATPET). He did send me a cheque in August (2010) for 400 USD but have since been lied to and told by Adam that the cheque is in the post ??? (Can you believe that his preffered way of paying is by posting a cheque - unbelievable ?? )
? I have also asked Adam to take me ball pythons to the value of 1600 USD to the Hamm show, I would then get a friend to collect the snakes for me - BUT , I have not heard anything from Adam !!! Jamie ps ask Adam to contact me ? I am also willing to provide proof of this transaction with Adam - BUT , oh , I forgot Adam already admitted to everything on this thread !!!

Ps tell him that if he does not contact me I will be reporting him to the local police in Maryland and I will also be informing your IRS that he is a con man and that he is receiving donations from NATPET - Ps tell him that I am not just going to go away !!! I will go on every forum until he pay's me my money (And Andrew).

I really do hope that the American people also apply pressure on Adam and Natpet as he cannot be trusted .

David

David, in all fairness I'd be looking for more than $1600, you're not taking into account interests nor the fact that the US $ has lost part of its value in the last 3 years.
You are so nice about this. If he were to send you animals to Hamm, Germany you'd still have to pay out of your own pocket the trip from Germany to South Africa. For what it's worth I haven't seen him over in Hamm this year.

Hope you get what your are owed.

Hi Danny - You are correct in saying that we should be asking for more money .... when I paid Adam almost 3 years ago the exchange rate was 12:1 and as you aware the current exchange rate is about 7:1 .... so the loss is huge !!!! This is not even taking the interest into consideration !! Believe me when I say that I am very pissed off with Adam for what he has done to Andrew and myself , but it is no use blowing my fuse on a magic forum like this !! I tried to give Adam another way out and most likely would also not cost him that much , and that was to take my snakes to Hamm , a friend of mine would have collected the snakes and he would have sent it to me with his shipment . He sends about 3 shipments from the UK to South Africa every year and he would not have charged me because he knows how much money we lost by dealing with Adam !! My friends are looking very forward to meeting Adam at the next Hamm show !!

I do not think that Adam will refund the rest of my money , but for the next few years I will go on different forum's and just generally make people aware about his fraudulent transactions - I will also report him to the American Embassy in South Africa , IRS and the local authorities - I will also try my best to have him Audited - And if he has been spending the donation money from NATPET then the law must take it's course !!! I will only stop once I receive my money !!!

Can anyone ps let me know if Adam live's in Maryland ?

Can anyone ps let me know if Adam live's in Maryland ?

I'm pretty sure I saw him at the Havre de Grace, Maryland Show when I was there a few months ago...I'm not sure exactly where he lives though..:dunno:

Call Peter Kahl and ask him, he lives 5 minutes away from Adam and they hang out all the time. They are drinking buddies. If Pete says he doesn't know adam's phone number or address he is lieing through his teeth. If anyone knows where adam lives it's Peter Kahl.

Call Peter Kahl and ask him, he lives 5 minutes away from Adam and they hang out all the time. They are drinking buddies. If Pete says he doesn't know adam's phone number or address he is lieing through his teeth. If anyone knows where adam lives it's Peter Kahl.

Thanks for the info - I did make contact with Peter (email) and he did respond and said that we need to chat and that we should talk telephonically . He also gave me his contact telephone number and he also said that he was willing to call me telephonically - however .I have been having difficulty in making contact with Peter but I will keep on trying .

I just appreciate the fact that Peter is willing to talk to me and possibly wanting to help to sort this mess out !!

I

Hello

I thought that I will give some feedback regarding Adam ! I managed to make contact with Peter Kahl and he said that he did inform Adam that I am wanting him to make contact with me .... but unfortunately Adam has not made any contact with me yet !!!
Can anyone ps send me the Itinarary for all the big (and small) snake shows in the USA , as I would like to start informing all the organizers about the fact that Adam is a fraudster and that they must NOT give him any donation's for NATPET as he is a fraudster and that they should rather give their donations to USARK .

This is how he operates , he first gets big reptile breeders to donate I-pods and other electronic goods which HE then gives away at these shows to make himself look good and then he starts to ask for donations from the general public !!! He say's that he is a non profit organization , has anyone requested to have a look at his books ??

Adam Wysoki is damn good at what he does and that is to scam people out of their hard earned money - Please folk's , lets all stand together and stop him from scamming other people !! Boycott him at all the shows and do not give him any donations for "NATPET" .

Thanks
David:

so am im correct thinking that he hasnt shown up in hamm this weekend and met ur friend?

No , apparently he was not at Hamm and the idiot (Adam Wysocki) has still not made contact with us !!!!!!

Adam Wysoki is damn good at what he does and that is to scam people out of their hard earned money - Please folk's , lets all stand together and stop him from scamming other people !! Boycott him at all the shows and do not give him any donations for "NATPET" .


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I agree 100%! Dont give this clown any more money. He obviously is a thief based on this story! :mad:

I agree 100%! Dont give this clown any more money. He obviously is a thief based on this story! :mad:

People like this give the hobby/industry such an undeserved bad name.... it's really a shame we have people like this dirtying it up with this kind of disservice. Disgraceful really. I feel bad for you guys...

Does anyone know if he is actually doing anything at all with reptiles/natpet still? I heard a rumor a while back that he had sold all his animals off and wasn't breeding anymore. If that's the case, trying to get in contact with him at shows is probably going to be a waste of your time...

Last time I saw him, he said he'd sold off pretty much everything to _focus_ on NatPet.

Whether you'll see him at a show . . . .

~Bruce

Recently went to natpet.org out of curiousity from this thread and it immediately prompts for a login with no place to register. Not looking too good.

Recently went to natpet.org out of curiousity from this thread and it immediately prompts for a login with no place to register. Not looking too good.

Makes me glad our best interests are in the reliable hands of USARK!

I saw him with a booth selling animals at a local Richmond show last year in July. I've actually seen him at some of the other local shows run by Maryland Reptile Farm. That's really the only information I know since this situation happened.

I saw him with a booth selling animals at a local Richmond show last year in July. I've actually seen him at some of the other local shows run by Maryland Reptile Farm. That's really the only information I know since this situation happened.

So did I...How ever I didn't see him at the last MD show though this past month....

Just an update......I have yet to hear from Adam Wysocki from 8ballpythons and natpet , and he still owes me over $5000

Can anyone suggest how I may be able to get hold of him.

I have tried his friends Jamie Glass and Charlie From Royal Q Pythons but they are either not interested or support scamming reptile enthusiasts(harsh but true).

I hope someone can help.....I still cannot believe this was done to a fellow reptile enthusiast

I hate to say it but Adam has pretty much disappeared from the online community. He knows people are looking for him and is laying low.

There's a very good chance he may be staying at the Iron Bar Motel. The last I heard on this the international customer was turning this in to the Feds via his cousin in Cali.

This simply blows me away. Adam was such a help to Mike and I in our early days keeping snakes and particularly in saving the life of a very seriously skinny WC female we were trying to rehab back then. Hard to believe this but the evidence if pretty damning and I'm no pollyanna to refuse to see what you've all laid out here.

I still have that female ball python and she's doing well now. I think I'll focus on that good deed he did for some newbs like us back then and pray that where ever life took him to end up like this now, he mans up fast. Just sad though to come back 2 years later and find this.

Recently went to natpet.org out of curiousity from this thread and it immediately prompts for a login with no place to register. Not looking too good.

I know the thread is months old, but thought I'd make a comment:

In mid/late 2010, I had "donated" $20 to NatPet to get the T-shirt "I own snakes, and I VOTE". It didn't arrive after six months, so I emailed NatPet. By the time I rec'd a reply, it was to the tune that they didn't have my size, did I want another one. I told them I'd wait until they had my size in stock again. Never heard another word, so assumed that my $$ had gone the way of the dodo bird.......wouldn't get it back, and wouldn't get a shirt out of it.

So, the gist is, he got $20 free dollars for NatPet (or his pocket...whichever it happened to be). Glad I didn't buy any animals from him like I had planned.

Damn….just read that entire thread, I feel like I need to take a shower! Talk about leaving people high and dry! I too would like to know if anybody ever found this douchebag.