Hey guys just wanted to share a link to a petition asking to see Barrack Obamas ACTUAL birth certificate. Everything that he's presented in the past has been either an outright forgery or partial birth certificates. The media *****s have chosen to overlook this and the government, even the republicans in some cases (???????) have been doing the same.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81585


PLEASE sign this petition. Even if it's not going to go anywhere let's at least let the media and the government know that we do have a voice!

So far 15,230 people have signed....... that's not going to make much of an impact on its own so send it to as many people as you can! Even if you supported Obama in his run for president shouldn't the CONSTITUTION that many of us have sworn to uphold come before a man?

It would have been great if the law suits that demanded to see his birth certificate had made any head way before the election. Honestly, I don't think it will make a difference now. It would end up being another one of those selected not elected things. Even if he was born in Kenya, there's a pretty good chance he does have a Hawaiian birth certificate anyway. He may have relinquished his citizenship by living in Indonesia, getting a passport, using that passport, etc, but I don't see it making a big difference in the minds of most of those that supported him. I'm fairly sure that even a court would rule in his favor, and come up with some technicality to do so. It's ridiculous, but that's most likely how it will go. I signed the petition anyway, it'd be nice to know the truth even if the constitution will get trampled upon.

I signed as well.

I am not an Obama supporter in any way. I did not vote for Obama. but the truth is this petition is a waste of time the birth certificate is not fake/forged. there will be no more investigations as they have conducted many of them. this has been going for some time now.


link to the investigations into it
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

linke to snopes.com which I like to use cause of the HUGE amount of internet rumors out there.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Thanks guys! I know it probably won't mean anything in the long run since the courts will find some way around the constitution (should that even be allowed to be said in any courtroom?) but we have to try......

I am not an Obama supporter in any way. I did not vote for Obama. but the truth is this petition is a waste of time the birth certificate is not fake/forged. there will be no more investigations as they have conducted many of them. this has been going for some time now.


link to the investigations into it
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

linke to snopes.com which I like to use cause of the HUGE amount of internet rumors out there.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

I'm with EPig on this one. I was following at least one pretty big lawsuit before the election where they where trying to force Obama to show proof of his citizen ship and birth certificate. Which I believe he did finally release them.

Just like they were fussing about the fact that McCain was born in PANAMA, technically he shouldn't be a citizen either.
Both are wrong, check snopes.
Obama was born in Hawaii, and McCain was born on a U.S. military base in Panama.
Also, signing online petitions is usually useless. Most entities will not acknowledge a online petition, they need physical signed proof.

Not that it matters now but up until 1968 the standard term for african was 'negroe'. He was born in 1961 and they would not have printed african as his fathers race. It would have been more believable if they would have used the term 'black' which was used until the 80's I believe. We (America) were not politically correct in anyway back then, even in hawaii. It was just general practice used in every one of the 50 states.

So despite one way or the other we are talking about American history and stuff that can be verified.

Believers are going to believe what they want and non believers are going to believe what they want but you can't argue with history, right or wrong it is a fact that can be traced easily enough.

So I believe the certificate that was given out to be nothing more than a forgery based on the facts of our history.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

Not that it matters now but up until 1968 the standard term for african was 'negroe'. He was born in 1961 and they would not have printed african as his fathers race. It would have been more believable if they would have used the term 'black' which was used until the 80's I believe. We (America) were not politically correct in anyway back then, even in hawaii. It was just general practice used in every one of the 50 states.

So despite one way or the other we are talking about American history and stuff that can be verified.

Believers are going to believe what they want and non believers are going to believe what they want but you can't argue with history, right or wrong it is a fact that can be traced easily enough.

So I believe the certificate that was given out to be nothing more than a forgery based on the facts of our history.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

I agree with you on all this Jeff but as you said people are going to believe what they want and nothing will come of it.......Sad but true

Also dont forget the certicate had no signature or seal on it

not that i am sticking up for the man but he has a birth certificate
and if you dont think he does and he got as fare as he did i have bridge for sale at a cheep price like $1000 good deal dont pass it up one time offer
mcain was not born in the usa they tried to say that and he was not
what i am saying is dont be foolled

not that i am sticking up for the man but he has a birth certificate
and if you dont think he does and he got as fare as he did i have bridge for sale at a cheep price like $1000 good deal dont pass it up one time offer
mcain was not born in the usa they tried to say that and he was not
what i am saying is dont be foolled

What birth certificate though? I mean have you seen it? What does it hurt to sign a petition asking to see the man that people elected to the highest office in our nations birth certificate to ensure that he is actually legally able to take that office? I see no harm in it. I don't actually believe that any of the coke-fiends in Washington will take any notice of it even if it does come out that he is NOT legal to be the president.


All I have to say is "Don't blame me I voted McCain Palin" :machinegun::rockon:

Did you guys actually read the Fact check link earlier in this thread? It covers all of the concerns brought up in this thread.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Did you guys actually read the Fact check link earlier in this thread? It covers all of the concerns brought up in this thread.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I also has pics of the actual document along the left side of that screen.

*sigh* He wouldnt have become our next president if he wasnt a legal us citizen....

*sigh* He wouldnt have become our next president if he wasnt a legal us citizen....

thank you i am not an obama fan but people need to get over it if he dint have one Mcain would have brought it up and the average joe ok we now have to just get through the next 4 years and go from there

The democratic party would not have put someone up that wasn't eligible. Just like the republican party wouldn't have put McCain up if they weren't sure that the FACT he was born in PAnama would not be an issue. Something as simple as a birth certificate is easily proven and HAS BEEN.
Check the facts. And African was used as far back as the early days of slavery, especially to refer to someone FROM africa, as opposed to just of african descent. There's plenty of slave auction fliers available in history files(I've seen actual ones recently in a display), that advertised both "negroes" and "africans", in addition to "african negros".
Please, please don't fall for a party line, without checking your OWN facts and sources.

The democratic party would not have put someone up that wasn't eligible. Just like the republican party wouldn't have put McCain up if they weren't sure that the FACT he was born in PAnama would not be an issue. Something as simple as a birth certificate is easily proven and HAS BEEN.
Check the facts. And African was used as far back as the early days of slavery, especially to refer to someone FROM africa, as opposed to just of african descent. There's plenty of slave auction fliers available in history files(I've seen actual ones recently in a display), that advertised both "negroes" and "africans", in addition to "african negros".
Please, please don't fall for a party line, without checking your OWN facts and sources.

thank you this was getting old

What birth certificate though? I mean have you seen it? What does it hurt to sign a petition asking to see the man that people elected to the highest office in our nations birth certificate to ensure that he is actually legally able to take that office? I see no harm in it. I don't actually believe that any of the coke-fiends in Washington will take any notice of it even if it does come out that he is NOT legal to be the president.


All I have to say is "Don't blame me I voted McCain Palin" :machinegun::rockon:

do you think the republican party is that dumb that they would let oboma win if that was true if so i need to change my party

Not that it matters now but up until 1968 the standard term for african was 'negroe'. He was born in 1961 and they would not have printed african as his fathers race. It would have been more believable if they would have used the term 'black' which was used until the 80's I believe. We (America) were not politically correct in anyway back then, even in hawaii. It was just general practice used in every one of the 50 states.

So despite one way or the other we are talking about American history and stuff that can be verified.

Believers are going to believe what they want and non believers are going to believe what they want but you can't argue with history, right or wrong it is a fact that can be traced easily enough.

So I believe the certificate that was given out to be nothing more than a forgery based on the facts of our history.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

Valid point and you are correct the term used was Negro even by the US census in the 1960's and 70's.


of all the "proof" and arguments for the fact that this is a forgery this one is the most reasonable and yes is still the largest question mark. however if the race is a write in section and not a check the block back then. its to easy to argue that although the term negro was used by the population does not mean that a black person would label himself as such and could have viewed himself as african.

Malcom X refered to himself and many blacks during his speeches at the time, which yes included 1961, as African not negro. with the history of obama and his family being involved in radicals id say it isnt a stretch to say that Obama sr. was a follower of Malcolm X and would consider himself as african and not Negro if trying to make a point on an official document.

example of malcom X claim as african

"We are African, and we happened to be in America. We are not American. We are people who formally were Africans who were kidnapped and brought to America. Our forefathers weren't the Pilgrims, we didn't land on Plymouth Rock, the rock was landed on us. We were brought here against our will. We were not brought here to be made citizens. We were not brought here to enjoy the constitutional gifts that they speak so beautifully about today"

---Malcom X circa 1964

im actually with you on this Jeff and only playing devil's advocate to show how those that won't belive its a forgry has just as much ammo for it being real. so in the end it will be excepted as a authentic certificate regardless. and will always be a conspiracy theory.

and will always be a conspiracy theory.

Truly that is point I was trying to make, no matter what side your on you will not believe what the other side says.

I do believe that the B/C in question is a fake, does that mean I don't believe he is a citizen, hell no I believe he is one....there is no way the democratic party would allow someone to run who isn't an American citizen just as the republican party wouldn't allow it. I don't care if they were born on a military base in the middle of Siberia as long as it was on the base they are Americans.

Truly that is point I was trying to make, no matter what side your on you will not believe what the other side says.

I do believe that the B/C in question is a fake, does that mean I don't believe he is a citizen, hell no I believe he is one....there is no way the democratic party would allow someone to run who isn't an American citizen just as the republican party wouldn't allow it. I don't care if they were born on a military base in the middle of Siberia as long as it was on the base they are Americans.

exactly! well put my man.

I don't care if they were born on a military base in the middle of Siberia as long as it was on the base they are Americans.

EXACTLY! Our military posted overseas should never have to worry that their children will not be perceived as US citizens. A US military base is US soil. But the fanatics on the other side will still use it as an excuse. Same with a birth certificate, that Obama refuses to show it, when he has. The idea that both parties would allow a person to run for office without checking eligibility is ridiculous. Even politicians are not that dumb, both McCain and Obama were eligible for office, and Obama was liked by the majority, so he won.

EXACTLY! Our military posted overseas should never have to worry that their children will not be perceived as US citizens. A US military base is US soil. But the fanatics on the other side will still use it as an excuse. Same with a birth certificate, that Obama refuses to show it, when he has. The idea that both parties would allow a person to run for office without checking eligibility is ridiculous. Even politicians are not that dumb, both McCain and Obama were eligible for office, and Obama was liked by the majority, so he won.

yes thank you :yessir: i cant undersand how people think some one would be able to hide some thing like birth certificates and army bases overseas are u.s.a. ground like i said i am not a obama fan but he won its time to move on

Yeah, I didn't like either McCain OR Obama. McCain seemed a little bit less anti-gun than Obama did. Otherwise, both were liars, and consumate politicians.

You know, I think you guys are all giving the democratic and republican parties a lot more credit than they are due. You really think they asked Obama to show them his Birth Certificate before he started to run for office? You think they asked to see it at the democratic convention? I think that if they had known about half of the stuff that came up during the election, they would have nominated Hillary or someone else. There were lawsuits filed by DNC members to make him produce his birth certificate. The finding of the one that I know about was that the guy who filed it didn't have standing to bring the suit in the first place, which seems like utter BS to me. Any citizen should have the standing to bring a lawsuit to know whether the man running for president can legally hold the office.

Anyways, I don't think it will matter now, whether he is technically a citizen or not. It would be nice to know, but I don't think a birth certificate is going to prove it one way or another. Even IF he was born in Hawaii, he may have inadvertantly given up his citizenship when he moved to Indonesia and was adopted there. Now, I've heard that there are technicalities around that issue as well, so really, it still seems like it won't matter. If he was born in Kenya, like I think he was, his mother very likely could have gotten a Hawaiian birth certificate for him when they got back there. Anywho, my point is, we will never, very likely, know whether or not he was born in Hawaii unless they release the hospital records. I don't see that happening, if he wasn't born there, so it doesn't matter what the truth is. The people have chosen a president, and it seems like we will be stuck with him for atleast 4 years. Even if we do find out that he's not a citizen, I doubt he would be removed from office. Though I'm thinking Biden wouldn't be quite as bad.

It doesn't even matter if he would've been born in Africa, as long as one parent is a US citizen he would still be considered a citizen. The only difference is being born in the US you get a birth certificate and outside the US you get a Certificate of Citizenship. So either way he is still a US citizen.

It doesn't even matter if he would've been born in Africa, as long as one parent is a US citizen he would still be considered a citizen. The only difference is being born in the US you get a birth certificate and outside the US you get a Certificate of Citizenship. So either way he is still a US citizen.

That only applies if he had been born on or after Nov 14th 1986. I think the constitution is a little bit more specific when it comes to the office of the president, though. I believe, without going and looking it up, that the person must have been born in the United States, and is not just a citizen. The fact that McCain was born on a Military Base, which is considered US Soil, is different than being born in Kenya to an American citizen, who didn't spend 5 years in the US since her 18th birthday. I kind of remember seeing something like that in the law, though I think the law has changed since then. Anyways, like I said, it won't make a difference, but it would be nice to really know the truth. I'd love to just take his word for it, but with all the other shady things he's tried to either cover up or lie about, I won't believe it till I see the Hawaiian hospital records stating he was born in Hawaii. His own relatives in Kenya have stated that they were present at his birth IN Kenya, that his mother tried to fly back to Hawaii, but was denied boarding because she was so close to labor. I don't know what the truth is, and I have a hard time believing either story. It wouldn't be such a big deal to me, if it weren't for Obama's radical associations with people who hate this country and his associations with radical politicians in Kenya or elsewhere. I understand what the rationale behind the law of having to be born in this country. If he was indeed born in Kenya, to a Kenyan parent, he may have a hard time putting US interests over Kenyan interests. This becomes extremely apparent considering the people he has associated with his entire life. It's very obvious, that even though he only knew his father for a short time, his life has been a great influence on his ideals, and his father was a socialist.

We've had alot of people become blind to the history of the world and the role that socialism has played in it for the last couple of years. I've even heard prominent economists on the radio saying that we can't keep being afraid of "socializing" things. We are on a path that is so far from what the framers and colonists had envisioned so long ago that it's frightening. Just in the last couple of months we've had the essential takeover of the banks in the nation by the federal bank. What kind of lunacy has been going on that ANY politician or citizen would agree to such a thing? If you factor in the radical direction Obama is likely to take the country, we'll have a soviet style collapse before we know it. I realize that IF he was not born here, that IF he is not a citizen for any other reason, he will likely still be our president. I would just prefer that we have transparency in government. That we know who are elected officials are, who they associate with and what their beliefs and ideals are. I'm sure no petition is going to get to the bottom of the issue, but maybe, just maybe, if enough people demand it, maybe we'll get some sort of answer or atleast make sure that we don't get too infatuated by a personality that we forget to do the proper vetting in the future.

Well, by that reasoning, McCain could have been born off the US military base in Panama. They might have just lied.. heck.. he might not even be related to the McCains.. it could be a grand conspiracy. His mother could have faked the pregnancy, and picked him up off the street in panama, and now he was running for president!
Obama produced a birth certificate. When he did so, some said "AHHHH, but it could be a fake one!" If you're going to go by that type of logic, then nothing will ever satisfy you as to what the truth is, once you've decided what the truth should be in your mind.
Everything is not a conspiracy. Sometimes the problem is plain. More U.S. citizens voted for Obama. Personally, I think neither candidate would/will do well for the country, but then, my opinion wasn't solicited by either political party, so I had no real say. Maybe Obama will put up some programs to improve the country. Maybe he'll run it into the ground. Maybe(most likely in my mind) he won't do much of anything to help or hinder the country, just like most presidents in the past.
I think politicians should be outlawed, and businesspeople allowed to run the country. At least the U.S. might be able to make a profit then.

Obama produced a birth certificate. When he did so, some said "AHHHH, but it could be a fake one!"

It wasn't that just that some people said it COULD be fake, document experts said it was a forgery. It may not have been, but it was suspicious that it was not signed and did not have the raised seal and was a recent copy, dated from the last 10 years. Apparently a judge found there to be enough dispute of the document to rule that the plaintiff didn't have standing to bring the suit instead of declaring that a document was already produced and the suit was unnecessary. In all likelihood, he probably does have a genuine birth certificate. That still doesn't mean that he was born in the US, considering that his relatives have stated they were there for his birth, in Kenya.

Well, by that reasoning, McCain could have been born off the US military base in Panama. They might have just lied.. heck.. he might not even be related to the McCains.. it could be a grand conspiracy. His mother could have faked the pregnancy, and picked him up off the street in panama, and now he was running for president!

That may well be true, but we didn't have McCain's relatives claiming such or have McCain dodge producing a birth certificate, then when it finally was produced, was suspicious at the very least.


Everything is not a conspiracy. Sometimes the problem is plain. More U.S. citizens voted for Obama. Personally, I think neither candidate would/will do well for the country, but then, my opinion wasn't solicited by either political party, so I had no real say. Maybe Obama will put up some programs to improve the country. Maybe he'll run it into the ground. Maybe(most likely in my mind) he won't do much of anything to help or hinder the country, just like most presidents in the past.
I think politicians should be outlawed, and businesspeople allowed to run the country. At least the U.S. might be able to make a profit then.


No one ever claimed to know the truth, well, maybe except for Jerome Corsi. As a general rule, I tend to discount conspiracy theories, since they are generally just way out there. I am of the opinion that it is definitely more than possible that Obama was not born in the US. I am also of the opinion that if he was indeed born in the US, that he probably inadvertently relinquished his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. What makes me think these things? The fact that he avoided the issue and avoided producing valid documents when first asked, the statements by relatives and investigations done by several people that have found it to be likely to be so. Do I think it matters, not in the scheme of things. Would I like to know either way, sure. It could all be cleared up easily.

Hopefully he will not do any lasting damage to the country. He's already making himself out to be the next FDR, though, and we still haven't been able to undo the damage that man did to the country.I, too, was not very pleased with the choices, as they both would do harm to the ideas that are fundamental to this country, it was just which one of them would I rather live with. I don't think there is anything wrong with "politicians". Most probably start out as noble and idealistic, but seem to become corrupted with the power and money that has become part of the system now a days. A business person may be able to run the government more efficiently, but it even seems like that is less of a possibility these days, with all sorts of businesses asking for handouts from the government. The problem is that the system relies on people, which by our very nature, are generally out for ourselves before others. We're supposed to have systems in place to prevent these sorts of corruption, but it seems like there is a good old boys mentality in Washington, and it will require severe change to put an end to it. From what I've seen from Obama's choices of his staff positions and transition teams, it's not likely that his is indeed the politics of change.