Does anyone work with them? I understand they're kept like other old world rats (cool and humid) but i never see any CBB or CH ones, just wild caught adults. is there a reason they aren't that popular? They're very pretty just like the other old world rats and the one pair i handled were very calm (for rat snakes) and nice.

I know one person who works with him. I only see him at shows, though, so I'll try and get some info for you then.

Mike

thanks, i'd really appreciate that.

From all that I have heard and read about them, they are a bit more tricky about their willingness to breed in captivity without the correct conditions. Add to this that w/c imports are highly parasitized, and often die soon after acquisition, they aren't common to see in the hobby as of yet.

This is much like the Mandarin Ratsnakes were years ago before some captives were able to be produced. Those w/c imports often perished shortly after being acquired, and they would just seem to die out of nowhere. Now that captives without parasites are in the mainstream, the fatality factor is virtually nonexistent. Hopefully it will be that way for moellendorf's as well one day.


~Doug

From all that I have heard and read about them, they are a bit more tricky about their willingness to breed in captivity without the correct conditions. Add to this that w/c imports are highly parasitized, and often die soon after acquisition, they aren't common to see in the hobby as of yet.

This is much like the Mandarin Ratsnakes were years ago before some captives were able to be produced. Those w/c imports often perished shortly after being acquired, and they would just seem to die out of nowhere. Now that captives without parasites are in the mainstream, the fatality factor is virtually nonexistent. Hopefully it will be that way for moellendorf's as well one day.


~Doug

what he said.....:yessir::yessir::yessir:

i figured it had to be something like this. but theyre SO PRETTY. thanks for the info everyone, i appreciate it.

From all that I have heard and read about them, they are a bit more tricky about their willingness to breed in captivity without the correct conditions. Add to this that w/c imports are highly parasitized, and often die soon after acquisition, they aren't common to see in the hobby as of yet.

This is much like the Mandarin Ratsnakes were years ago before some captives were able to be produced. Those w/c imports often perished shortly after being acquired, and they would just seem to die out of nowhere. Now that captives without parasites are in the mainstream, the fatality factor is virtually nonexistent. Hopefully it will be that way for moellendorf's as well one day.


~Doug

Not sure how up to date this is

http://www.upscalereptiles.com/ratsnakes.html

They've proven hard to establish in captivity, every once in a while youll see babies for sale and it seems most are captive born, i myself love em! I believe a guy by the name Larry Keller breeds them but im not sure

I'm working with these guys, and they are awesome! Mine are all CB, and while it can be hard to get the hatchlings started feeding sometimes, they do very well overall. Talk about eye candy! :D

Pics please, I am not sure I have ever seen one.

I think the biggest issue with our high turn over instant gratification based society is that they take 5-7 years to reach sexual maturity and are more geared to turtle keepers who are used to that wait time. Snake guys have no patience for that normally. I adore these snakes but I have not had the money at the same time they have been available. There are a couple morphs that just popped up on the market too, hypo and maybe patternless or something...

Stunning snakes in their normal form and impressive sized animals.

Jason

Hello,

I know about a few people here in The Netherlands working with them and breeding them on regular basis.

So there should be enough cb babies available :).

Best regards,
Gidi

I think the biggest issue with our high turn over instant gratification based society is that they take 5-7 years to reach sexual maturity and are more geared to turtle keepers who are used to that wait time. Snake guys have no patience for that normally. I adore these snakes but I have not had the money at the same time they have been available. There are a couple morphs that just popped up on the market too, hypo and maybe patternless or something...

Stunning snakes in their normal form and impressive sized animals.

Jason

That's a VERY accurate observation Jason. I could not agree more about that. Hell, seems that many people now days can't even wait long enough to acqure the same freakin subspecies of snake and will throw any ol' thing they have on hand in with the other one just to see some snouts pop out of the eggs!! :dunno:

I HATE that aspect of the hobby personally.



~Doug