Wondering what everyones thoughts were on legalizing marijuana? California is basically on its way to being a full blown state where it will no longer be criminalized and I'm sure they wont be the last. With our ridiculous national debt I dont think it would be such a bad thing. Somewhere around 25 million americans smoke it anyways so why not just make it legal and tax it so the government can make some money on it? If they released all the prisioners from jail charged for marijuana posessions and no longer charged people with marijuana related offenses and taxed it I'd have to think we'd make back a good chunk of our debt... debate away :yessir:

I remember doing research on this... there's something like 12+ billion dollars spent annually on marijuana related arrests. And that was in 2007. Yea, I think that money could be spent more effectively... especially in these days.

I don't do drugs, kinda frown on them, but to each his own as long as it's not affecting me. (ie - my property value going down because of the crack house that moved in on the hill. etc..)

So many people do it, they may as well legalize it and tax the holy hell out of it like they do cigarettes. :dunno:

I used to smoke almost religiously, can hardly afford to now. I do think they should legalize it though. With the regulating and taxing that could be done on it, it could save the country millions, I'm sure. Decriminalizing it would free up jail space AND save money. Oh, and as long as we're on THAT subject I think we should put to death all death row inmates. Forty-leven appeals for murders and rapists is NOT the way to run a business :D. Save money AND make room in the system. JMHO

Who's seen the movie Gamer? I think that's a great idea for death row inmates.

Who's seen the movie Gamer? I think that's a great idea for death row inmates.

Haven't seen it but I may have to check it out now :D

I used to smoke a lot. I used to have no money or ambition.

I no longer smoke. I now have money and ambition. :dunno:

I'm not so sure if legalizing marijuana with the intent of taxing it would be a good idea. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would be a bad one. If there was suddenly a sin tax on tomatoes, do you think the government would be making a bunch of money on tomato taxes? No, people would grow them at home, as many folks do now with marijuana.

Other than that, I've met precious few motivated potheads out there. I'm sure they exist, but I'm not so sure making it easier for 30 something year old adolescents to get stoned and take naps in their parents' basements is particularly good for our economy.

Legalize it!

We don't need more people filling the jails over a joint or an ounce for that matter! I'm glade here in California were making a change, its ridiculous that the U.S. spends big money to prosecute people for position or growing MJ. They should use that same money they're pumping in to the war on weed to our school system, the lack of educational funds in California alone are ridiculous.

I have mixed views on the subject. I tried weed MANY years ago, didn't like it, and never used it again. The point was made about all the wasted money to arrest, jail, and police the illegal use of weed and also how the government can tax it and make some money. However, Mike makes a good point of having potheads laying around in their parents basements...are they employed and making any money to support themselves? If I'd be trading one waste of money (the enforcing the current drug laws) for another waste of money (supporting all the additional unemployed loser potheads with welfare), then I don't know if it's a good idea or not.

Also, since I don't have any experience with it, how would smoking weed affect your motor skills? Like, can you still drive a car sanely, or is it somewhat like alcohol and impairs you? THAT would be a big problem with legalization.

Oh yeah, one more thing....Since a lot of states are curtailing smoking in public ares (secondhand smoke issues), would the same thing apply to smoking weed. What if you light up in public and the person next to you doesn't want to get high? How do you address that?

I dont smoke riligiously but do part take it in on the weekends. To debate against Mike, pot actually does the opposite for me. I have been smoking for about 10 years now and there are different levels of "high". Yea I can smoke a whole 10 sack and be retarded and not do anything... that to me is "stoned" and is your typical pot head that does nothing. If you smoke a joint... take a couple hits from a tube you just get "high" and when I'm high I am highly motivated. My fiance actually prefers I smoke on the weekends bc I clean the house like a crazed man. Dishes... wash clothes... mow the lawn... wax the floors... anything and everything. The difference is I dont "abuse" it in my head. Just like anything be it pain killers... aderol... mcdonalds... ice cream... pot... moderation is ok.

I watched a thing on CNN about the marijuana industry in CA and 1 provider to the "coffee shops" who grows/sells pays $700,000 a year in taxes... Thats ONE provider in ONE county... Times that by the whole country and throw in less money spent on jails and prosecuting people and you have a whooooooooole bunch of money available to pay for schools and other needs around the country.

I have mixed views on the subject. I tried weed MANY years ago, didn't like it, and never used it again. The point was made about all the wasted money to arrest, jail, and police the illegal use of weed and also how the government can tax it and make some money. However, Mike makes a good point of having potheads laying around in their parents basements...are they employed and making any money to support themselves? If I'd be trading one waste of money (the enforcing the current drug laws) for another waste of money (supporting all the additional unemployed loser potheads with welfare), then I don't know if it's a good idea or not.

Also, since I don't have any experience with it, how would smoking weed affect your motor skills? Like, can you still drive a car sanely, or is it somewhat like alcohol and impairs you? THAT would be a big problem with legalization.

Oh yeah, one more thing....Since a lot of states are curtailing smoking in public ares (secondhand smoke issues), would the same thing apply to smoking weed. What if you light up in public and the person next to you doesn't want to get high? How do you address that?

Well, if it did ever become legal (which I doubt it will). It would be treated the same as alcohol and cigarettes. You wouldn't be able to drive any vehicles etc while using etc and would fall into the same as cigarettes, not be allowed in ceratin places and publc. There are also laws about drinking in public places etc that would also be enforced onto marijuana.

Also, since I don't have any experience with it, how would smoking weed affect your motor skills? Like, can you still drive a car sanely, or is it somewhat like alcohol and impairs you? THAT would be a big problem with legalization.

Oh yeah, one more thing....Since a lot of states are curtailing smoking in public ares (secondhand smoke issues), would the same thing apply to smoking weed. What if you light up in public and the person next to you doesn't want to get high? How do you address that?

You can definitely still operate a vehicle high and be 1000000 times better than a drunk person. It doesnt effect your vision but obviously you can get distracted but hows that any different than a cell phone or GPS? The main hurdle in leaglizing it is the fact there is no test to verify whether you are high on the spot like a breathalyzer.

As far as smoking in public places... Amsterdam is a great example of it. The people there are so polite and its just common courtesy to ask before you do it around other people and I'm pretty sure they dont allow smoking just anywhere and they try to keep it at the coffee shops. I am totally for keeping it a private matter and out of the public eye.

You can definitely still operate a vehicle high and be 1000000 times better than a drunk person.


:lmao::lmao::lmao: That's ridiculous to even say........

:lmao::lmao::lmao: That's ridiculous to even say........

Not as ridiculous as you think the BBC did a test on driving on MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3zou4F00Ic

:lmao::lmao::lmao: That's ridiculous to even say........

How so? You drink a bottle and Ill smoke an 1/8th and we'll do a driving course... Ill do it in reverse to you going forward and I will bet everything I own I'll knock down less cones. As a teen with parents who are against smoking weed there is only one place to do it.... your car. Ive been in 0 car accidents and have 0 tickets and I've smoked weed in my car more times than I have in my home. Anyone who has smoked weed for a couple years on a daily/weekly basis can confirm the side effects are nothing alike. Tell me what the number of people killed by a high driver is compared to a drunk driver?

I just came across this on MSN.com and found it pretty interesting...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35519187/ns/health-aging/?GT1=43001

How so? You drink a bottle and Ill smoke an 1/8th and it do a driving course in reverse to you going forward and knock down less cones. As a teen with parents who are against smoking weed there is only one place to do it.... your car. Ive been in 0 car accidents and have 0 tickets and I've smoked weed in my car more times than I have in my home. Anyone who has smoked weed for a couple years on a daily/weekly basis can confirm the side effects are nothing alike. Tell me what the number of people killed by a high driver is compared to a drunk driver?

I just came across this on MSN.com and found it pretty interesting...


There's a lot of variables at stake that you can't measure with weed. I can list a ton of people that drink and drive on a regular basis that have never been in an accident and have never been pulled over. Does that mean they should be doing it? NO!! I've have several friends that smoke weed and I have been in there when they are when driving while high. There reaction time isn't any better than someone that has been drinking.

How many "high" tests are there for officers to give to drivers? How many are available to every officer in the country? So drunk driver numbers will be higher by default. I wonder how many drunk drivers busted are also under the influence of marijuana?

I don't think its ok to smoke MJ and drive, the effect of MJ is different for everyone. Me personally never drive high or smoke while driving. Does that mean that I cant drive while high no just being responsible. Having a licence is a privilege that I don't take advantage of.

I'm not so sure if legalizing marijuana with the intent of taxing it would be a good idea. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would be a bad one. If there was suddenly a sin tax on tomatoes, do you think the government would be making a bunch of money on tomato taxes? No, people would grow them at home, as many folks do now with marijuana.

Other than that, I've met precious few motivated potheads out there. I'm sure they exist, but I'm not so sure making it easier for 30 something year old adolescents to get stoned and take naps in their parents' basements is particularly good for our economy.

:yessir:

There's a lot of variables at stake that you can't measure with weed. I can list a ton of people that drink and drive on a regular basis that have never been in an accident and have never been pulled over. Does that mean they should be doing it? NO!! I've have several friends that smoke weed and I have been in ther are when driving while high. There reaction time isn't any better than someone that has been drinking.

How many "high" tests are there for officers to give to drivers? How many are available to every officer in the country? So drunk driver numbers will be higher by default. I wonder how many drunk drivers busted are also under the influence of marijuana?

I dont disagree that you shouldnt smoke and drive... Now that I have a house I very rarely ever drive high. When I was younger I couldnt just smoke in my house and had to go drive somewhere to do it. There's also a difference like you said in tolerance. I can be over the legal limit in NY of .08 and still be fine to drive. With pot there comes a point where you are "maxed out" in how high you are. Booze is different... you keep drinking you keep getting more and more messed up... Not the same situation with pot.

Originaly Posted By Wildbill
Well, if it did ever become legal (which I doubt it will)

I dont know were you live but here in California its vary much a possibility that we are going to Legalize it. Judge James P. Gray makes great point about legalizing MJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDKarCeC_Ic

Well, California lives in it's own world.......:lmao:

Other than that, I've met precious few motivated potheads out there. I'm sure they exist, but I'm not so sure making it easier for 30 something year old adolescents to get stoned and take naps in their parents' basements is particularly good for our economy.

Is the root cause the pot or their parents? If the guy is sitting home blazing in his parents basement and they dont do a thing about it then it sounds like we need to prevent him and his family from reproducing!! I was raised well and work 60hrs a week and most of my friends are the same way.

This is the sterotypical view of anyone who smokes pot... sit home... eat food watch tv play video games and sleep. 99.9% of my friend who choose to smoke do not portray this sterotype... I have one friend who take a couple hits and then goes running bc it helps him focus on his breathing... but again... he's high... not stoned out of his mind.

Well, California lives in it's own world.......:lmao:

Thats funny we say the same about the MidWest....:yessir:

Thats funny we say the same about the MidWest....:yessir:

Getting marijuana passed here would be like getting everyone to convert to Muslim.....:lmao:

This is the sterotypical view of anyone who smokes pot... sit home... eat food watch tv play video games and sleep. 99.9% of my friend who choose to smoke do not portray this sterotype... I have one friend who take a couple hits and then goes running bc it helps him focus on his breathing... but again... he's high... not stoned out of his mind.

well about 110 % of mine do....and for that fact is why I haven't and never will touch the stuff :yessir:

Getting marijuana passed here would be like getting everyone to convert to Muslim.....:lmao:

:lmao:

well about 110 % of mine do....and for that fact is why I haven't and never will touch the stuff :yessir:

Just curious if you dont mind me asking... how old are you? I'm still young... 25 and my generation is when pot became a very popular drug ... atleast according to my parents:lmao: My 2 older brothers, 35 and 30 never touched it.

Just curious if you dont mind me asking... how old are you? I'm still young... 25 and my generation is when pot became a very popular drug ... atleast according to my parents:lmao: My 2 older brothers, 35 and 30 never touched it.

My age is listed the same place as yours on here.....You been smokin some today?? :lol:

dont do too much on here other than browse and post here and there... Just clicked around a little and found it :) ... And no not yet... out of work in about 10 mins athough it is 420 now paaaaaaaaah!

I used to smoke a lot. I used to have no money or ambition.

I no longer smoke. I now have money and ambition. :dunno:

I'm not so sure if legalizing marijuana with the intent of taxing it would be a good idea. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would be a bad one. If there was suddenly a sin tax on tomatoes, do you think the government would be making a bunch of money on tomato taxes? No, people would grow them at home, as many folks do now with marijuana.

Other than that, I've met precious few motivated potheads out there. I'm sure they exist, but I'm not so sure making it easier for 30 something year old adolescents to get stoned and take naps in their parents' basements is particularly good for our economy.


I used to smoke. I used to have money. I used to have ambition. I used to embrace mundane tasks. I used to embrace recreational activities. I could focus, despite having ADD. I used to be happy.

I no longer smoke. I no longer have money. I no longer have ambition. I no longer embrace mundane tasks. I no longer embrace.... you get the idea.

Just like benadryl jazzes some people up and puts others to sleep, and overdoses of anything aren't any good, each person has to find what works for him/her. If an herb makes people happy and productive either St. John's Wort or Marijuana, I don't think anyone should be told that they can't use it.

I think people should be responsible for their behavior, and not blame it on a substance. The same idiots blazing up in their parents' basements wouldn't be any more motivated if they weren't high.

Funny thing is.... there are estimated millions of pot smokers. The ones I know are no longer the 25 year old kids. Sorry Josh, but yours is NOT the first one to have a preponderance of smokers. They're the engineers, the teachers, the IT professionals, all walks of life, plenty of people with real grown up jobs and families and responsibilities.

I fully support decriminalization. I don't smoke now, but you will see me RUN FAST to the first store that sells it. And does anyone know an eye doctor in NJ who can prescribe it for my low-pressure glaucoma?????

;)

I used to smoke. I used to have money. I used to have ambition. I used to embrace mundane tasks. I used to embrace recreational activities. I could focus, despite having ADD. I used to be happy.

I no longer smoke. I no longer have money. I no longer have ambition. I no longer embrace mundane tasks. I no longer embrace.... you get the idea.

Just like benadryl jazzes some people up and puts others to sleep, and overdoses of anything aren't any good, each person has to find what works for him/her. If an herb makes people happy and productive either St. John's Wort or Marijuana, I don't think anyone should be told that they can't use it.

I think people should be responsible for their behavior, and not blame it on a substance. The same idiots blazing up in their parents' basements wouldn't be any more motivated if they weren't high.

Funny thing is.... there are estimated millions of pot smokers. The ones I know are no longer the 25 year old kids. Sorry Josh, but yours is NOT the first one to have a preponderance of smokers. They're the engineers, the teachers, the IT professionals, all walks of life, plenty of people with real grown up jobs and families and responsibilities.

I fully support decriminalization. I don't smoke now, but you will see me RUN FAST to the first store that sells it. And does anyone know an eye doctor in NJ who can prescribe it for my low-pressure glaucoma?????

;)


:yessir:

I really don't think the effects of smoking pot are the concern government wise. There are things that are way worse and are legal. I think regulation is the problem. They want control over it and know that they won't. I have a CDL which means I can get tested randomly. I don't smoke for this reason because I have to much to lose. My question would be how are they going to test for it if it is legalized? If I smoke on Sat and get tested on Thurs I will fail. I have been around the block and have yet to find anything that good. I have lots of friends that have been caught with it. Not large amounts, but they pretty much lose their license or probation. Never have I heard of jail time for a j or a bowl. I have a feeling we will still be having this debate in ten years. Also on a side note if you are advocating it does not affect you negatively check your grammar and spelling on your posts. Just joking, but seriously this is the image portrayed and you know what they say about stereotypes. I am just saying don't give nay sayers more ammo.
Gary

I personally don't smoke it (not in the last 8 years anyways :rolleyes:) but I do know lots of people that do. Some of them you would never suspect to be potheads. There's no loss of ambition/lack of common sense, etc.

One person I know very well is bipolar. But he doesn't have insurance so he doesn't have any meds or anything. So he smokes weed. I have seen him without it and it's not pretty. In his particular case, I'd rather not ever see him sober!

As for the argument that it'll be a bigger problem if it's legalized, I think that's flat out wrong. It's so readily available now to anybody looking for it that anybody who would like to smoke it, very likely already is. I doubt very much that there'll be a big increase on the number of people that smoke it if/when it's legalized.

On another note, I'd rather deal with a pothead than an alcoholic anyday! :yessir:

I think they should as long as it doesn't effect me...
aka don't drive while high, i shouldn't smell pot every were I go ect... And I also think that the violence to get the pot will go away once theres a higher supply than demand, but also no Mexicans smugling it across the border...

I really don't think the effects of smoking pot are the concern government wise. There are things that are way worse and are legal. I think regulation is the problem. They want control over it and know that they won't. I have a CDL which means I can get tested randomly. I don't smoke for this reason because I have to much to lose. My question would be how are they going to test for it if it is legalized? If I smoke on Sat and get tested on Thurs I will fail. I have been around the block and have yet to find anything that good. I have lots of friends that have been caught with it. Not large amounts, but they pretty much lose their license or probation. Never have I heard of jail time for a j or a bowl. I have a feeling we will still be having this debate in ten years. Also on a side note if you are advocating it does not affect you negatively check your grammar and spelling on your posts. Just joking, but seriously this is the image portrayed and you know what they say about stereotypes. I am just saying don't give nay sayers more ammo.
Gary

Welcome to the club! I'm a fellow CDL holder working for UPS. I do NOT smoke weed, so don't really know all the effects of it. I used to date a woman that smoked regularly and I would leave the room when she fired up. Wouldn't you know it, I got picked twice that year for random drug testing. Luckily, no problems. I did, however have a couple buddies at work get popped for a positive test. First time is a suspension. The second time is out the door. One buddy got popped twice and lost his job. Just not worth it.

Wow, just noticed this one! Legalize it!!! I do not smoke, haven't in about 20 years. Would not start back up. But for the money that is wasted on jailing, court costs, etc, etc, etc, lagalize it. Also, agree with Melanie 1000%, way rather deal with people that are high than people that are drunk! I deal with potheads darn near daily, and for the most part they are much easier going then the ones coming in smelling like booze!!

CDL holder here as well. My brother started driving truck a few years after I did, and lost it all in a random. For months he struggled to find a company that'd get anywhere near him, only to mess up again a couple years down the line. Last I heard he's living in some farming commune down south, no electricity. Probably farming "tomatoes".

I personally don't smoke it (not in the last 8 years anyways :rolleyes:) but I do know lots of people that do. Some of them you would never suspect to be potheads. There's no loss of ambition/lack of common sense, etc.

One person I know very well is bipolar. But he doesn't have insurance so he doesn't have any meds or anything. So he smokes weed. I have seen him without it and it's not pretty. In his particular case, I'd rather not ever see him sober!

As for the argument that it'll be a bigger problem if it's legalized, I think that's flat out wrong. It's so readily available now to anybody looking for it that anybody who would like to smoke it, very likely already is. I doubt very much that there'll be a big increase on the number of people that smoke it if/when it's legalized.

On another note, I'd rather deal with a pothead than an alcoholic anyday! :yessir:

Yep, potheads don't want to be aggressive, aren't nearly as sloppy, and most driving mistakes I've experienced, were merely the driver waiting for the stop SIGN to change. :)

Marijuana has been proven to be a wonderful therapeutic in some mood and personality disorders.

My question would be how are they going to test for it if it is legalized? If I smoke on Sat and get tested on Thurs I will fail.

... I have a feeling we will still be having this debate in ten years.

...Also on a side note if you are advocating it does not affect you negatively check your grammar and spelling on your posts.
Gary

"They" very well can test for it on an accurate basis. There is a mouth swab that can be done to test for recent (within hours) use. Anyone who can find me pot that lasts more than "hours", when it becomes legal, *I want some of that.*

If more people that supported decriminalization voted and spoke out in accord with their feelings, we could put this debate to rest before a decade has elapsed. That's about the only reason I like not smoking. I can speak out to anyone... search me, test me, all you'll get is a harassment law suit.

Plenty of people who do not smoke do not have a full command of their native language, while many accomplished writers smoke. Hmmm, perhaps the money we spend fighting the "drug war" would be better spent on a literacy campaign.

Wow, just noticed this one! Legalize it!!! I do not smoke, haven't in about 20 years. Would not start back up. But for the money that is wasted on jailing, court costs, etc, etc, etc, lagalize it. Also, agree with Melanie 1000%, way rather deal with people that are high than people that are drunk! I deal with potheads darn near daily, and for the most part they are much easier going then the ones coming in smelling like booze!!

Agree.

I've seen many posts including impairment references. Why is everyone so very concerned about someone who smokes a joint driving, and not at all concerned that there is a ridiculously high percentage of Americans suffering from sleep deprivation? If one takes a driving test deprived of sleep, and one takes a test drunk, the results are pretty much equivalent. There are devices that can test solely for impairment, regardless of the source. They are no more expensive than are breathalyzers or the expense of random drug testing. One investment, and EVERYONE on the job can be tested, EVERY day. Punch the clock, look into the impairment tester (forgot the tech name for it), and go to work if the green light comes on. One investment, and when people breathalyze clean, police can still remove a dangerous person from the road without a blood or urine test for drugs. In addition, a sleep-deprived driver would be removed as well.

Do we really care if people are impaired or just want to control people???

In this day and age, I know far too many people on prescription pain killers, as well. Nodding off, passing out, full of Oxycontin, progressing to Heroin because Heroin is cheaper than Oxy... Wow, that sounds so much better than smoking a plant that is not chemically altered, a renewable resource, and all parts of the plant can be used, for oil, fibre, etc.

In it's unadulterated state, pot works. There are receptors in the brain for it (discovered in 1988 by St. Louis Med School ?). However, alcohol and synthetics do not have receptors, they act to enhance neurotransmitter function or impair it, either in the release phase or reuptake phase. Sounds to me like the Man Upstairs DESIGNED us to indulge in his Cannabinoid bounty!!!!!!!

:)

I have no real ambition to try the stuff, I am way to high strung and like my head clear....even when I used (don't any longer) drink I could only drink to a goofy stage but never shitfaced laying in the gutter drunk....just a personality thing I believe...don't take that as me being some elitist asshole I grew up around marijuana, have family members and close personal friends who smoke it on a regular basis just not my cup of tea...

You will have people who abuse anything from alcohol to marijuana to fast food...just the nature but when people are spending more time in jail or equal time in jail as violent offenders something needs to reworked in our system...Mike your reference to the tomato tax doesn't apply in my mind since we don't have the ability to buy it legally now so really you would just be adding another item that the government can gain something from...granted their would be people who don't grow their own or just don't want to and would pay a tax in order to obtain it....plus any monies spent on the care and upkeep of the people in jail would add more money to the till...

I don't think it is clear cut, but as with most of my stances on things that deal with the government I am all for a legalization and tax on it...less intrusive involvement on any level is a good thing even if you choose not to partake in it...wouldn't effect me in the least since I don't smoke it or choose not to but chance of some pothead attacking (isn't that like an oxymoron) me in the street will still be the same and all the deadbeats that already sit around doing nothing won't change but maybe we can recoup some of the money we give some of them for welfare...

I think it's pretty interesting that even people who choose not to smoke it think it's a good idea to legalize it. As far as those with CDL's there are going to be jobs that require random tests and if you want to perform those jobs then you will have to sacrafice to keep your job.

What I think is absolutely crazy is my employer does random testing and we refurbish computers. Company has been in operation for 25 years and just started randoms last year. On the other hand my fiance is a kindergarden teacher for the state... she DOESNT get tested. So here I am in charge of people receiving in 4k computer per day that can not smoke pot outside of work if they choose but shes teaching our future generations but she can? She does a little on the weekends but neither of us do during the week as the "dank over" is a little challenging in the morning when the alarm goes off at 430:)

Legalize it!

We don't need more people filling the jails over a joint or an ounce for that matter! I'm glade here in California were making a change, its ridiculous that the U.S. spends big money to prosecute people for position or growing MJ. They should use that same money they're pumping in to the war on weed to our school system, the lack of educational funds in California alone are ridiculous.
OK, then can we at least use the jails for gang bangers and murderers that have been convicted of killing people/shootings/drive by's over drug territory? :dunno: I'd rather not have them walking around.

How so? You drink a bottle and Ill smoke an 1/8th and we'll do a driving course... Ill do it in reverse to you going forward and I will bet everything I own I'll knock down less cones. As a teen with parents who are against smoking weed there is only one place to do it.... your car. Ive been in 0 car accidents and have 0 tickets and I've smoked weed in my car more times than I have in my home. Anyone who has smoked weed for a couple years on a daily/weekly basis can confirm the side effects are nothing alike. Tell me what the number of people killed by a high driver is compared to a drunk driver?

I just came across this on MSN.com and found it pretty interesting...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35519187/ns/health-aging/?GT1=43001
Okay.....don't know if mess nbc is the best source, but ok.

I dont disagree that you shouldnt smoke and drive... Now that I have a house I very rarely ever drive high. When I was younger I couldnt just smoke in my house and had to go drive somewhere to do it. There's also a difference like you said in tolerance. I can be over the legal limit in NY of .08 and still be fine to drive. With pot there comes a point where you are "maxed out" in how high you are. Booze is different... you keep drinking you keep getting more and more messed up... Not the same situation with pot.

If there's nothing wrong with driving high, why don't you think you should smoke and drive?:dunno:

Is the root cause the pot or their parents? If the guy is sitting home blazing in his parents basement and they dont do a thing about it then it sounds like we need to prevent him and his family from reproducing!! I was raised well and work 60hrs a week and most of my friends are the same way.

This is the sterotypical view of anyone who smokes pot... sit home... eat food watch tv play video games and sleep. 99.9% of my friend who choose to smoke do not portray this sterotype... I have one friend who take a couple hits and then goes running bc it helps him focus on his breathing... but again... he's high... not stoned out of his mind.
I think it's a shared responsibility. Yes, there are parents who just don't care if their kid's wasting his/her life smoking weed. There are others, though, that do everything in their power to give their kids a good upbringing, and then have to watch it all go down the tubes as they try to do damage control.

I used to smoke. I used to have money. I used to have ambition. I used to embrace mundane tasks. I used to embrace recreational activities. I could focus, despite having ADD. I used to be happy.

I no longer smoke. I no longer have money. I no longer have ambition. I no longer embrace mundane tasks. I no longer embrace.... you get the idea.

Just like benadryl jazzes some people up and puts others to sleep, and overdoses of anything aren't any good, each person has to find what works for him/her. If an herb makes people happy and productive either St. John's Wort or Marijuana, I don't think anyone should be told that they can't use it.

I think people should be responsible for their behavior, and not blame it on a substance. The same idiots blazing up in their parents' basements wouldn't be any more motivated if they weren't high.

Funny thing is.... there are estimated millions of pot smokers. The ones I know are no longer the 25 year old kids. Sorry Josh, but yours is NOT the first one to have a preponderance of smokers. They're the engineers, the teachers, the IT professionals, all walks of life, plenty of people with real grown up jobs and families and responsibilities.

I fully support decriminalization. I don't smoke now, but you will see me RUN FAST to the first store that sells it. And does anyone know an eye doctor in NJ who can prescribe it for my low-pressure glaucoma?????

;)
Do you honestly believe the change in your behavior and/or happiness is the result of no longer smoking weed? If the lack of weed has had that big an effect on your life, there's got to be something else going on there.

You know me. I'm a pretty motivated guy, and I can honestly say that pot was a motivation vampire in my life. Yeah, there was other stuff going on, but pot (and everything else that followed) was a pretty big factor. I know people who smoke, and the vast majority of them are not productive.

I personally don't smoke it (not in the last 8 years anyways :rolleyes:) but I do know lots of people that do. Some of them you would never suspect to be potheads. There's no loss of ambition/lack of common sense, etc.

One person I know very well is bipolar. But he doesn't have insurance so he doesn't have any meds or anything. So he smokes weed. I have seen him without it and it's not pretty. In his particular case, I'd rather not ever see him sober!

As for the argument that it'll be a bigger problem if it's legalized, I think that's flat out wrong. It's so readily available now to anybody looking for it that anybody who would like to smoke it, very likely already is. I doubt very much that there'll be a big increase on the number of people that smoke it if/when it's legalized.

On another note, I'd rather deal with a pothead than an alcoholic anyday! :yessir:
Like I said, there are always exceptions, but your average user is someone just trying to get high.

I think they should as long as it doesn't effect me...
aka don't drive while high, i shouldn't smell pot every were I go ect... And I also think that the violence to get the pot will go away once theres a higher supply than demand, but also no Mexicans smugling it across the border...
For the record, Rev and Melanie, I wouldn't be totally opposed to legalization, with some stipulations (none of which involve taxes). You get caught driving high, same penalties as driving drunk...even though I, too, would rather deal with a pothead than a drunk myself.

NO government subsidies for potheads. That means no welfare, no food stamps, no health care....period! This should apply to alcohol and cigarettes as well. If you can afford to compromise your health with any of these things, I don't want to support you. I believe that there should be random drug testing for all these programs even now.

Last I heard he's living in some farming commune down south, no electricity. Probably farming "tomatoes".
Hehe...."tomatoes". :lmao:


You will have people who abuse anything from alcohol to marijuana to fast food...just the nature but when people are spending more time in jail or equal time in jail as violent offenders something needs to reworked in our system...Mike your reference to the tomato tax doesn't apply in my mind since we don't have the ability to buy it legally now so really you would just be adding another item that the government can gain something from...granted their would be people who don't grow their own or just don't want to and would pay a tax in order to obtain it....plus any monies spent on the care and upkeep of the people in jail would add more money to the till...

I don't think it is clear cut, but as with most of my stances on things that deal with the government I am all for a legalization and tax on it...less intrusive involvement on any level is a good thing even if you choose not to partake in it...wouldn't effect me in the least since I don't smoke it or choose not to but chance of some pothead attacking (isn't that like an oxymoron) me in the street will still be the same and all the deadbeats that already sit around doing nothing won't change but maybe we can recoup some of the money we give some of them for welfare...
See above quote.:yes: Also, the tomato reference was what could happen in the case of legalization, and how it was impractical to try and argue the point from a tax revenue increase stance.

I think it's pretty interesting that even people who choose not to smoke it think it's a good idea to legalize it. As far as those with CDL's there are going to be jobs that require random tests and if you want to perform those jobs then you will have to sacrafice to keep your job.

What I think is absolutely crazy is my employer does random testing and we refurbish computers. Company has been in operation for 25 years and just started randoms last year. On the other hand my fiance is a kindergarden teacher for the state... she DOESNT get tested. So here I am in charge of people receiving in 4k computer per day that can not smoke pot outside of work if they choose but shes teaching our future generations but she can? She does a little on the weekends but neither of us do during the week as the "dank over" is a little challenging in the morning when the alarm goes off at 430:)
Your company has probably seen some studies on productivity, and are trying to keep their employees as productive as possible. While I don't agree with the government randomly testing citizens, I'm all for the private sector doing it as a condition of employment.

OK, then can we at least use the jails for gang bangers and murderers that have been convicted of killing people/shootings/drive by's over drug territory? :dunno: I'd rather not have them walking around.



Do you honestly believe the change in your behavior and/or happiness is the result of no longer smoking weed? If the lack of weed has had that big an effect on your life, there's got to be something else going on there.

You know me. I'm a pretty motivated guy, and I can honestly say that pot was a motivation vampire in my life. Yeah, there was other stuff going on, but pot (and everything else that followed) was a pretty big factor. I know people who smoke, and the vast majority of them are not productive.


I personally don't care what a shooting, murder, beating, drive-by, rape, act of vandalism, or any other crime of damage or violence is "over", be it drug territory, a woman, money, power, control, anger, etc.. It's the actual crime people for which people should be punished. I believe in "an it Harm None, do as you will." If they want to go all Zoolander and Dance Fight over gang turf, they shouldn't be prosecuted, they're not hurting anyone. Start hurting people, and then throw the book at them.


I smoked in High School (no pun intended). I quit for a marking period to see if "THEY" were right... that sobriety was better. I went from an A student to a C-F student. Started back after that marking period, went back to an A. Same in college. When I smoked, good grades, when I didn't, not good grades. As a "grown up", when I smoked, I ENJOY mundane crappy tasks, and embrace doing them, not to mention feeling more motivated to do fun stuff.

It may have been a life-sucker for you, and I don't discount your experience at all. However, I don't agree that because some people have that experience, they should outlaw it for everyone. I believe in personal responsibility. If a person isn't getting the results they want, they have to change what they can about the situation, and work with or around what they can't.

Because I can't smoke, and can't afford the adderall, I have to work a LOT harder and spend more of my time on Behavior Modification strategies. I'm more productive than if I don't work at it, but not as productive as when I'm able to medicate with MJ or Adderall for the ADD. I had to work a LOT harder and devote more time to ONE class last semester than I ever did on a full course load to get an A.

AND ITS A FREAKING PLANT. What's next? Roses? Jasmine?? Vanilla Beans???? Just because they haven't done it yet, no, wait, isn't Jimson Weed illegal????? I bet someone somewhere is trying to criminalize Salvia, too. Say good bye to sage stuffing at Thanksgiving.

Kind of like the python ban... slippery slope...

NO government subsidies for potheads. That means no welfare, no food stamps, no health care....period! This should apply to alcohol and cigarettes as well. If you can afford to compromise your health with any of these things, I don't want to support you. I believe that there should be random drug testing for all these programs even now.



How about just NO government aid to non-productive members of society?

If there's nothing wrong with driving high, why don't you think you should smoke and drive?:dunno:

It's just not a responsible thing to do. Same with taking prescription pain pills... drinking... smoking pot. As someone mentioned driving is a priviledge and not a right so putting other people at risk is not a responsible thing to do. I can easily operate a vehicle after drinking 4-5 beers in an hour and being over the legal limit doesnt mean its the right thing to do. Just because you can do something doesnt mean its right. :nono:

Picture is worth a 1000 words:machinegun:... I can positively say I could operate a vehicle in cirlces around a drunk. Served 4 yrs for this country, jumped out of planes HIGH, go to work everyday, come home everyday and spend time with my family:yessir:!!!! I work all day tattooing people and would be unable if I were a sloppy drunk:cheers: They cannot figure a way to TAX it, it is that simple:dunno:.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo136/jroiksrtfo/NORML_Remember_Prohibition.jpg

If one drunk had been a pothead my brother would still probably be here:mad:?
http://www.rossireptiles.com/AldoARossiJr.html

Sorry about your brother, Jason.

You're right about it all. Love the poster.

This what we were told in the old days America :yessir:
"It's all a conspiracy!!!!!!! It was first outlawed in 1937, because they told the white people that it made blacks & mexicans "crazy!!!" and that they would dare to look at a white woman twice. So of course, all the white people went crazy and said... OH MY GOD!!!! WE MUST MAKE THIS ILLEGAL!! "ITS THE DEVILS HARVEST!!!!"... but then after World War 2, (1945)... they turned around and said the COMPLETE opposite. They made it illegal because it makes you lazy & a "pacifist"... which made the soldiers not want to fight!!!!! So this "Reefer Madness" spread like crazy, and till this day, many people are still stuck in that lie. There is SCIENTIFIC evidence that it is MUCH safer than alcohol, and cigarettes. (not to mention many other prescription drugs.)"

Picture is worth a 1000 words:machinegun:... I can positively say I could operate a vehicle in cirlces around a drunk. Served 4 yrs for this country, jumped out of planes HIGH, go to work everyday, come home everyday and spend time with my family:yessir:!!!! I work all day tattooing people and would be unable if I were a sloppy drunk:cheers: They cannot figure a way to TAX it, it is that simple:dunno:.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo136/jroiksrtfo/NORML_Remember_Prohibition.jpg

If one drunk had been a pothead my brother would still probably be here:mad:?
http://www.rossireptiles.com/AldoARossiJr.html

First of all Jason, thanks for your service. Althuough I'll NEVER understand why people want to jump OUT of a perfectly good airplane :D.

I'm also sorry for the loss of your brother.

That being said, this might be a long response. I smoked pot for longer than many of you have been alive, nearly 40 years. 20 of that began immediately after Nam, actually during Nam, in combination with vast quantities of alcohol to numb myself out from the emotions, memories and flash backs the war bought out in me that I couldn't control otherwise. I finally quit drinking, to a point, in 2001 when I was diagnosed with two strains of hepatitis in an effort to try NOT to kill myself outright. Came to the realization that I can still have a drink now and then without having to close down the bar or damaging my liver, moderation y'all. I also cut back on my dope smoking, mostly because of cost, to the point of only using it for 'medicinal' purposes. I'm one of those that believes that pot has it's place in the medical field for several reasons, including ADD.

When I smoked in excess I was near brain dead all the time. I worked when it suited me and bummed when it didn't. I could still function better high than drunk, but got pretty good at drunk too. You do what you HAVE to in order to get by. Mostly I worked in some sort of shop or other as a general laborer which was work that was repetitive. That's easy to do f*^ked up.

When I quit smoking to get high, I smoked, as I said, for medicinal purposes. In small doses it DOES help relieve pain, calms a busy mind, makes some more active and prone to perfection in things they DO do and actually helps in colds or sinus problems (it dries up mucous mambranes), among other things. But just like alcohol I learned I could live without it and pretty much do now.

At the risk of repeating what others have already said, pot AND alcohol react differently in different people. There are MANY factors to consider in this. It may be good for some and not so good for others. One SHOULD be mature enough to know their own self well enough to make the right decision about its use.

And Stefi, Watch out with that Jimson weed. It CAN be dangerous. I've seen it in action first hand.

I haven't touched all I wanted to with this. I get too side tracked sometimes. Not from excess smoke damage but PTSD :yessir:. But this'll do for now.

There is SCIENTIFIC evidence that it is MUCH safer than alcohol, and cigarettes. (not to mention many other prescription drugs.)"

Oh man don't even get me started on prescription drugs. A lot of my high school friends started getting into vicodin, oxycontin, and whatever other pills they could get their hands on. Those drugs are a serious problem, and have very dangerous effects. I had to stop hanging with a lot of friends because of dumb shit like that. THAT is where they need to be cracking down, not on weed.

I used weed a lot during high school and college, but I recently quit now that I'm a few months away from finishing. I was smoking every day, then one day, just lost all will to do it again. I have a business to build now, and to me, weed has no place in that. It was getting too expensive too, I have better things to spend my money on now (snakes :)). Just my two cents.

Like I've always said, the less government involvement, the better. Despite this, at this moment, it is illegal, so anyone buying, selling, or using is contributing to the violence that comes with the illegal drug trade. This applies locally, nationally, and internationally. How do you think most street gangs fund their activities? :dunno: The next time one of your dealers tells you he's out until he makes a trip to this city or that city, stop and think about whether it's a high crime or low crime area. Chances are it's not someplace you want to take the kids on vacation.

As for everyone who keeps giving anecdotes about how it helps with this problem or that problem, ask yourself if you truly believe you are the exception or the rule. Like I said, I have met a few people in my life that are much more functional and productive with it. I have met many, many people who are turned into oxygen thieves as soon as they take their first hit. As for pot being better than alcohol, getting slapped is better than getting stabbed, but I still don't want to get slapped.

Stephi....as to your point about government aid, if someone is having such a hard time that they need help from the government, yet they can afford pot, cigarettes, and booze, they shouldn't get my tax dollars. Quit spending money on that crap, work your butt off, and if you still need a hand up, I'll be the first in line to give you a hot meal. I will not, however, buy you a joint, a bottle, and a pack of smokes just so you can have money to eat.

Drink Water... Thats what I did!!!

First of all Jason, thanks for your service. Althuough I'll NEVER understand why people want to jump OUT of a perfectly good airplane :D.

I'm also sorry for the loss of your brother.

That being said, this might be a long response. I smoked pot for longer than many of you have been alive, nearly 40 years. 20 of that began immediately after Nam, actually during Nam, in combination with vast quantities of alcohol to numb myself out from the emotions, memories and flash backs the war bought out in me that I couldn't control otherwise. I finally quit drinking, to a point, in 2001 when I was diagnosed with two strains of hepatitis in an effort to try NOT to kill myself outright. Came to the realization that I can still have a drink now and then without having to close down the bar or damaging my liver, moderation y'all. I also cut back on my dope smoking, mostly because of cost, to the point of only using it for 'medicinal' purposes. I'm one of those that believes that pot has it's place in the medical field for several reasons, including ADD.

When I smoked in excess I was near brain dead all the time. I worked when it suited me and bummed when it didn't. I could still function better high than drunk, but got pretty good at drunk too. You do what you HAVE to in order to get by. Mostly I worked in some sort of shop or other as a general laborer which was work that was repetitive. That's easy to do f*^ked up.

When I quit smoking to get high, I smoked, as I said, for medicinal purposes. In small doses it DOES help relieve pain, calms a busy mind, makes some more active and prone to perfection in things they DO do and actually helps in colds or sinus problems (it dries up mucous mambranes), among other things. But just like alcohol I learned I could live without it and pretty much do now.

At the risk of repeating what others have already said, pot AND alcohol react differently in different people. There are MANY factors to consider in this. It may be good for some and not so good for others. One SHOULD be mature enough to know their own self well enough to make the right decision about its use.

And Stefi, Watch out with that Jimson weed. It CAN be dangerous. I've seen it in action first hand.

I haven't touched all I wanted to with this. I get too side tracked sometimes. Not from excess smoke damage but PTSD :yessir:. But this'll do for now.

Thanks for your sacrifices you have made for this country and I did it for the $150 a month:yessir: Don't let the drug Companies find out that it has healing potential, they are another reason it is illegal... There goes alot of scripts :dunno:

Like I've always said, the less government involvement, the better. Despite this, at this moment, it is illegal, so anyone buying, selling, or using is contributing to the violence that comes with the illegal drug trade. This applies locally, nationally, and internationally. How do you think most street gangs fund their activities? :dunno: The next time one of your dealers tells you he's out until he makes a trip to this city or that city, stop and think about whether it's a high crime or low crime area. Chances are it's not someplace you want to take the kids on vacation.

Mike I'll agree with the "it's illegal" point. It really simply shouldn't be done. Although I have a bit of a problem believing the cartels that are shipping this stuff over are violent because they smoke this stuff. Drink tequila and do crack/crank maybe. With them it's a business they believe they need to protect at ALL costs. As for it being sold in mostly high crime areas, certainly it is but not all of it. Also, most of the crime commited in those areas are by drunks or junkies.

As for everyone who keeps giving anecdotes about how it helps with this problem or that problem, ask yourself if you truly believe you are the exception or the rule. Like I said, I have met a few people in my life that are much more functional and productive with it. I have met many, many people who are turned into oxygen thieves as soon as they take their first hit. As for pot being better than alcohol, getting slapped is better than getting stabbed, but I still don't want to get slapped.

I truely believe I'm the rule. I have said that different people react differently and I believe that but for the most part I think it can be benificial to people medicinally. I too would rather not be stabbed OR slapped but drinkers truely become more unstable the more they drink. Which tends to lead to violence.

Stephi....as to your point about government aid, if someone is having such a hard time that they need help from the government, yet they can afford pot, cigarettes, and booze, they shouldn't get my tax dollars. Quit spending money on that crap, work your butt off, and if you still need a hand up, I'll be the first in line to give you a hot meal. I will not, however, buy you a joint, a bottle, and a pack of smokes just so you can have money to eat.

I DO however agree with you here. If you can afford your habit, whatever it might be, you got no business suckin' off the system.

Like I've always said, the less government involvement, the better. Despite this, at this moment, it is illegal, so anyone buying, selling, or using is contributing to the violence that comes with the illegal drug trade. This applies locally, nationally, and internationally. How do you think most street gangs fund their activities? :dunno: The next time one of your dealers tells you he's out until he makes a trip to this city or that city, stop and think about whether it's a high crime or low crime area. Chances are it's not someplace you want to take the kids on vacation.

Not sure if this was the message of this portion of your post but isn't this all more reason to make it legal? If we take the drug away from the gangs and make it available through shops shouldnt the crime decrease? There will be no more turf wars over marijuana sales because you'll be able to get it at several safe places. Your point of view is similar to that of a vegetarian who is against eating meat. If you choose not to buy it someone else will and it will all get eaten one way or another... If I dont buy it b/c it's "supporting a gang" the next guy will and in the end they will sell out and go pick up more.

Here's what I'm getting out of this discussion...weed affects everyone differently. Just like you have "happy drunks" and "violent drunks" with alcohol...you get motivated and unmotivated people after smoking weed. But my observations of the people around me that smoke weed is that it most certainly UNmotivated them! But I can see some people's point about medicinal uses...I can agree on that.

Taxation on legal weed? I'm all for it! Just another "sin" tax and if it helps with the federal budget, I'm for it. Plus it will cut down, but not by much, the drug crime going on. Most of that drug crime is over crack cocaine, not weed. As far as people growing it on their own to avoid paying the tax on it, it already happens now with alcohol (home brewing and wine making). Some people will do it and some will cave into the convenience of buying it at the store.

The argument that weed is much safer than cigarettes or alcohol? Um, you have to SMOKE weed right? You trying to tell me that the smoke DOESN'T contain tars that EFF your lungs up? Sorry, no dice!

Honestly, I don't care much one way or another. I used to smoke every once in a while but it didn't do much for me except make me want to sleep!

I'd much rather see the government have less control over it but if it was to be legalized I imagine they would want their cut. Either way it would allow the DEA to focus on the real hard drugs, the ones destroying peoples lives instead of busting people for selling dime bags of shit that just makes ya lazy.


The argument that weed is much safer than cigarettes or alcohol? Um, you have to SMOKE weed right? You trying to tell me that the smoke DOESN'T contain tars that EFF your lungs up? Sorry, no dice!

The other thing you've got to consider is, if it does get legalized who's going to be distributing it? It's not gonna be the government, I can just about guarantee that the tobacco companies would jump all over that opportunity and we'd wind up with a million additives, tar etc.... same as cigarettes.

I'd much rather see the government have less control over it but if it was to be legalized I imagine they would want their cut. Either way it would allow the DEA to focus on the real hard drugs, the ones destroying peoples lives instead of busting people for selling dime bags of shit that just makes ya lazy.


The other thing you've got to consider is, if it does get legalized who's going to be distributing it? It's not gonna be the government, I can just about guarantee that the tobacco companies would jump all over that opportunity and we'd wind up with a million additives, tar etc.... same as cigarettes.


I totally agree with the first part of your statement!

Tar is a natural byproduct when organic materials are combusted. It doesn't matter if it's cigarettes, weed, wood, dried kelp, or dandelion greens. Inhaling that tar can't be good!

Crime reduction would be a possible benefit of legalization, tax revenue would not. Because weed's so much easier to produce than (decent) alcohol or tobacco, there would be a large underground source. In addition, as with any "sin" tax, eventually the government gets used to the revenue. That usually happens right around the time people get sick of paying it. Guess who the taxes get passed on to? Screw the taxes....just stop any handouts!

Plus it will cut down, but not by much, the drug crime going on. Most of that drug crime is over crack cocaine, not weed. !

I don't see how fighting the import trafficking and the violence from it is not the number one talking point for legalization. There are US cities that border mexico that live in constant fear of the violence brought to their homes from drug trafficking and turf wars. It is rediculous that we let another country attack us with guns and drugs. There are still millions of dollars worth of mj brought across from mexico and south america. There is violence in their streets and our streets because of it. If there was no longer a market for their MJ in the US that portion of violence would dissipate. I believe also that if mj was legal as a recreational drug that it would curb some peoples desire to ever try harder more addicting drugs.

I smoked and drank for many many years. I would say that you in no way lose control of your body while high, but easily lose some control of some body control while slightly buzzed on alcohol drank during a casual dinner.

I prefer myself as well as anyone driving my car to be pot free and alcohol free...Especially when I'm in the car...I don't care what ya all say and how you think it doesn't effect your driving :cheers:

NO government subsidies for potheads. That means no welfare, no food stamps, no health care....period! This should apply to alcohol and cigarettes as well. If you can afford to compromise your health with any of these things, I don't want to support you. I believe that there should be random drug testing for all these programs even now.


Couldn't agree more but that is another conversation at another time about the 'reform' of the welfare system and generations of abusers of it that I see all the time....

I have met many, many people who are turned into oxygen thieves as soon as they take their first hit.

Come on man I've met many people who have never taken a hit off the bong and are that way already....lol

Most of that drug crime is over crack cocaine, not weed.

Crack is so 90's....heroine is what I see day in and day out around here and even worse legal methadone junkies...

Couldn't agree more but that is another conversation at another time about the 'reform' of the welfare system and generations of abusers of it that I see all the time....



Come on man I've met many people who have never taken a hit off the bong and are that way already....lol



Crack is so 90's....heroine is what I see day in and day out around here and even worse legal methadone junkies...

Heroine usually results in adiction then death its a pretty strong drug, imunity builds quickly so that it takes more heroine to reach the same effect... eventually the users drug them selves to death, kind of a sad end.

Heroine usually results in adiction then death its a pretty strong drug, imunity builds quickly so that it takes more heroine to reach the same effect... eventually the users drug them selves to death, kind of a sad end.

True but anyone can get on methadone once the addiction is in place...or use it as safer alternative which is what I am seeing more of lately plus I believe that someone else picks up the tab for the methadone treatment so it is like getting high for free....honestly I don't know enough about methadone so my statements on who pays for it maybe way off base....

I know that more heroine is in my region then crack, I haven't been bother by a crackhead in at least 5 years....yes there is a substantial difference in a crackhead then a normal strung out junkie...

I know that more heroine is in my region then crack

True, heroine is much more widespread than crack or even meth, at least regionally. And unfortunately junkies live longer than most might wish they would.:eek:. The methadone thing is payed for by either the feds or the state. I know a couple people who are on either morphine or methadone, both because they've been injured or have physically degenerated beyond any realistic repair, and it gets paid for by their medicaid.

True but anyone can get on methadone once the addiction is in place...or use it as safer alternative which is what I am seeing more of lately plus I believe that someone else picks up the tab for the methadone treatment so it is like getting high for free....honestly I don't know enough about methadone so my statements on who pays for it maybe way off base....

I know that more heroine is in my region then crack, I haven't been bother by a crackhead in at least 5 years....yes there is a substantial difference in a crackhead then a normal strung out junkie...

Not that it makes much difference to the topic at hand but all the people I know w/drug problems (alot, I'm from a bad family) are into coke. It's definitely predominant in Seattle/Tacoma area. I think it just kind of goes by what's more readily available in each area.

Not that it makes much difference to the topic at hand but all the people I know w/drug problems (alot, I'm from a bad family) are into coke. It's definitely predominant in Seattle/Tacoma area. I think it just kind of goes by what's more readily available in each area.

This area the bad ones are meth heads. That's the ones that you really have to watch for around the cities.

Meth HUGE problem here

I prefer myself as well as anyone driving my car to be pot free and alcohol free...Especially when I'm in the car...I don't care what ya all say and how you think it doesn't effect your driving :cheers:

Agreed :rockon:

This area the bad ones are meth heads. That's the ones that you really have to watch for around the cities.

Yeah, that too!

So we have each region being different in their drugs of choice....kind of a pepsi, coke or r/c challenge going on....lol

I'm sure each has it's own issue, meth was a craze for a short few years after crack dwindled here...

So let's turn the question into if you are for legalization of marijuana are you for the legalization of every drug?

So we have each region being different in their drugs of choice....kind of a pepsi, coke or r/c challenge going on....lol

I'm sure each has it's own issue, meth was a craze for a short few years after crack dwindled here...

So let's turn the question into if you are for legalization of marijuana are you for the legalization of every drug?

NOPE

I admit I like pepsi and coke - not sure if that's code talk in here for I like meth and heroine.... Jeff, next time you offer me a pepsi at your house I will have to see it first before saying yes.... :cheers:

I say legalize them all. That doesn't mean you don't inforce the laws around drug use. And if employers still want to require drug tests so be it. Take the BILLIONS spent evey year on illeagal drugs and use it to cut government spending.

It's survival of the fitest. If you want to stay home stoned all the time then more power to ya.

Personally I would say no. MJ is proven to work medicinally as well as just being used as a drug. Cancer patients, glaucoma, etc, etc. It is natural, not chemical. The other drugs are full of what, rat poison and god knows what else? I am all for legalizing pot, but not something that is being chemically cooked up in somebodies basement. And you don't have the violence, etc, that comes with those other drugs either.

Personally I would say no. MJ is proven to work medicinally as well as just being used as a drug. Cancer patients, glaucoma, etc, etc. It is natural, not chemical. The other drugs are full of what, rat poison and god knows what else? I am all for legalizing pot, but not something that is being chemically cooked up in somebodies basement. And you don't have the violence, etc, that comes with those other drugs either.

Full of stuff you can get from walgreens and any other store like it.... toxins and stuff!

I say legalize them all. That doesn't mean you don't inforce the laws around drug use. And if employers still want to require drug tests so be it. Take the BILLIONS spent evey year on illeagal drugs and use it to cut government spending.

It's survival of the fitest. If you want to stay home stoned all the time then more power to ya.

Goes back to the line just because you can doesn't mean you should...

I have no issues with weeding out (pun intended) a few thousand of the undesirables...good for everyone in the long run, we have spent to much time and to much money coddling those that couldn't do for themselves that is about time to just stop it all and let nature take it's course...

Common sense isn't dead it's just hiding and we need to find it.

Personally I would say no. MJ is proven to work medicinally as well as just being used as a drug. Cancer patients, glaucoma, etc, etc. It is natural, not chemical. The other drugs are full of what, rat poison and god knows what else? I am all for legalizing pot, but not something that is being chemically cooked up in somebodies basement. And you don't have the violence, etc, that comes with those other drugs either.

Poppy plants and coca plants are natural and are the basis behind alot of other popular drugs along with medicines...to think for one minute that marijuana isn't being cut or laced by some other additive out there right now isn't right either...you aren't going to find plain old marijuana unless you grow it yourself from seeds passed on and cultivated for generations by your ancestors :cheers:

Personally I would say no. MJ is proven to work medicinally as well as just being used as a drug. Cancer patients, glaucoma, etc, etc. It is natural, not chemical. The other drugs are full of what, rat poison and god knows what else? I am all for legalizing pot, but not something that is being chemically cooked up in somebodies basement. And you don't have the violence, etc, that comes with those other drugs either.

With government regulation the violence and black market goes away. Put it all in the corner drug store and the romance surronding drugs goes by by. You want coke? Go to Walgreens and ask for it over the counter. Same with meth, crack whatever. The drug culture would disapear over night.

I admit I like pepsi and coke - not sure if that's code talk in here for I like meth and heroine.... Jeff, next time you offer me a pepsi at your house I will have to see it first before saying yes.... :cheers:

:lmao:

With government regulation the violence and black market goes away. Put it all in the corner drug store and the romance surronding drugs goes by by. You want coke? Go to Walgreens and ask for it over the counter. Same with meth, crack whatever. The drug culture would disapear over night.

If that's the case, why the huge problems with presciption drugs like Oxicodine, etc.? You get those at Walgreens!

It's survival of the fitest. If you want to stay home stoned all the time then more power to ya.

OK... BUT... if you want welfare or any other public assistance, you should be drug tested and if you fail, no help at all. Period. People want to sit at home, let em but I aint working my ass off everyday so they can!

If that's the case, why the huge problems with presciption drugs like Oxicodine, etc.? You get those at Walgreens!

That line of legal and not legal gets blurred, they can get high and feel like they are doing it legally until they get to the point that they are taking them a handful at a time then they need to search out other ways to obtain them....then you get a new kind of drug dealer, the ones that forge prescriptions and the ones that get people to stand in line for their back problems at the local free clinic just to get the 120 pill a month piece of paper...now those drug dealers aren't just breaking the laws they are stealing from the system that we all pay into with bs visits...we get it at both ends before and after they get caught...

Totally legalize everything. Stop regulating the purchase of ALL drugs, too.

We should be able to self-medicate. Doctors are human beings, not gods, and they merely educated themselves for a very high price about a great deal more than an individual needs to know.

We should be able to educate ourselves about the drugs that pertain to us, walk into a store, and get them without a prescription. We should be able to do this with animal drugs as well as people drugs. If someone wants to go overdose on Heroin or Oxy, go ahead. If I want to walk in and get Baytril or Heartgard or Banamine, I shouldn't have to call my vet for a script. Nor should I have to go into my doctor's every other month and pay them to renew a prescription for something on which I'm to be long-term. Annual checkups, fine, emergent visits, fine, but stop bilking people out of office visits and copays.

Legalize it all. As other posters have said, survival of the fittest....

Totally legalize everything. Stop regulating the purchase of ALL drugs, too.

We should be able to self-medicate. Doctors are human beings, not gods, and they merely educated themselves for a very high price about a great deal more than an individual needs to know.

We should be able to educate ourselves about the drugs that pertain to us, walk into a store, and get them without a prescription. We should be able to do this with animal drugs as well as people drugs. If someone wants to go overdose on Heroin or Oxy, go ahead. If I want to walk in and get Baytril or Heartgard or Banamine, I shouldn't have to call my vet for a script. Nor should I have to go into my doctor's every other month and pay them to renew a prescription for something on which I'm to be long-term. Annual checkups, fine, emergent visits, fine, but stop bilking people out of office visits and copays.

Legalize it all. As other posters have said, survival of the fittest....

I don't think we can go that far. There ARE people out there who self medicate simply for the buzz. Nobody WANTS to overdose. Those that are strung out just want to feel better.

Stop bilking people out of office visits and copays??? I bet you were all for Obamas health care crap too.

I don't think we can go that far. There ARE people out there who self medicate simply for the buzz. Nobody WANTS to overdose. Those that are strung out just want to feel better.

Stop bilking people out of office visits and copays??? I bet you were all for Obamas health care crap too.

LOL! No, definitely not for Obama's health care thing. On that, I think that health BENEFITS should remain benefits for the JOB you do. If you want health benefits, get a JOB that offers them. Don't want to work out in the elements doing construction? Don't want to put up with big corporations and bureaucracies? Then buy your own health insurance or use the free clinic.

I do agree something has to be done about the RATES of insurance, but I don't think it's a RIGHT of every American.

I know we'll never get the opportunity to make educated decisions for ourselves, and will have to go to a doctor for prescriptions. It's just my opinion that we should, and we should let people kill themselves, directly or indirectly, whether they want to do it by using Heroin or a Bungee cord they didn't measure and it's way too long.

Maybe if we stopped saving people from themselves, we'd have a smaller, more manageable, more INTELLIGENT, more AMBITIOUS population, hence requiring less government and regulation.

That line of legal and not legal gets blurred, they can get high and feel like they are doing it legally until they get to the point that they are taking them a handful at a time then they need to search out other ways to obtain them....then you get a new kind of drug dealer, the ones that forge prescriptions and the ones that get people to stand in line for their back problems at the local free clinic just to get the 120 pill a month piece of paper...now those drug dealers aren't just breaking the laws they are stealing from the system that we all pay into with bs visits...we get it at both ends before and after they get caught...

:yessir: As one who works in a pharmacy I see this all too often. And it's a real problem believe me. Seeing folks come in to get them 'early' because they 'lost the meds' or they got 'stolen':rolleyes: Trying to reason with them is impossible which is why some days I leave work exhausted. When you have people pissed at you one after another it drains you.

The fake scripts, people 'calling in' their own scripts, or just the MD who passes the stuff out like candy on a script is I believe one of the reasons our state healthcare just changed the rules and the people now have to sign for their medication as well as make levels of co-pays where before it was FREE. Too many people abusing the system.

OK... BUT... if you want welfare or any other public assistance, you should be drug tested and if you fail, no help at all. Period. People want to sit at home, let em but I aint working my ass off everyday so they can!


They should make it mandatory now.

I used to smoke a lot. I used to have no money or ambition.

I no longer smoke. I now have money and ambition. :dunno:

I'm not so sure if legalizing marijuana with the intent of taxing it would be a good idea. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would be a bad one. If there was suddenly a sin tax on tomatoes, do you think the government would be making a bunch of money on tomato taxes? No, people would grow them at home, as many folks do now with marijuana.

Other than that, I've met precious few motivated potheads out there. I'm sure they exist, but I'm not so sure making it easier for 30 something year old adolescents to get stoned and take naps in their parents' basements is particularly good for our economy.


:yessir::yessir::yessir:

You can definitely still operate a vehicle high and be 1000000 times better than a drunk person.

That is probably one of the scariest posts I ever read. I drive truck for a living and plenty of people struggle driving while sober. It also scares me that people have this view while my family is on the road.

That is probably one of the scariest posts I ever read. I drive truck for a living and plenty of people struggle driving while sober. It also scares me that people have this view while my family is on the road.

A few years back I had my truck rear ended by a 'soccer mom' who was on prescription pills (never did find out what kind)...normally not a big deal but she drove through 2 barricades and 4 cones to hit it....also lost a door from another prescription user who only had to drive through 3 cones to do it...all during nice clear days :yes:

That is probably one of the scariest posts I ever read. I drive truck for a living and plenty of people struggle driving while sober. It also scares me that people have this view while my family is on the road.

Couldn't agree more :yessir:

So it scares you that I feel a high person is a better driver than a drunk person? Does it scare you that I think a shark is more dangerous than a whale? I never said a high person is a better driver than a straight person... not sure what you are reading in that post? There are plenty of drunk drivers on the road every single night killing people... how many vehicular deaths come back to marijuana?

So it scares you that I feel a high person is a better driver than a drunk person? Does it scare you that I think a shark is more dangerous than a whale? I never said a high person is a better driver than a straight person... not sure what you are reading in that post? There are plenty of drunk drivers on the road every single night killing people... how many vehicular deaths come back to marijuana?

I think the concern was you said you could operate a vehicle high and still be a million times better than a drunk. Sober people can't drive that good :D

So it scares you that I feel a high person is a better driver than a drunk person? Does it scare you that I think a shark is more dangerous than a whale? I never said a high person is a better driver than a straight person... not sure what you are reading in that post? There are plenty of drunk drivers on the road every single night killing people... how many vehicular deaths come back to marijuana?

You said a high driver is 1000000 times better than a drunk driver, which says to me you think there is no effect on your driving abilities when you are high. Yes that SCARES me. This type of thing is the reason why pot won't be legal. There are plenty of drunk drivers on the road every night. That doesn't make it right, that also scares me. If one death comes back to pot that is too much. If someone wants to take drugs and kill themselves that is fine, but leave the rest of us out of it.

You said a high driver is 1000000 times better than a drunk driver, which says to me you think there is no effect on your driving abilities when you are high. Yes that SCARES me. This type of thing is the reason why pot won't be legal. There are plenty of drunk drivers on the road every night. That doesn't make it right, that also scares me. If one death comes back to pot that is too much. If someone wants to take drugs and kill themselves that is fine, but leave the rest of us out of it.


How about you put blame on the individual instead of the drug. Irresponsible people kill people while driving intoxicated. If they were responsible they wouldn't be driving high period. Believe it or not MJ will become legal in the near future California is setting the precedent for all other states to follow. Check the statistics for dispensaries and how much money they make, I know the Gov is keeping a close eye on them.

Here are states that already leagalized Med MJ
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000881

Here are some states that are thinking about legalizing. Looks like your state is thinking about it.
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=002481

You said a high driver is 1000000 times better than a drunk driver, which says to me you think there is no effect on your driving abilities when you are high. Yes that SCARES me. This type of thing is the reason why pot won't be legal. There are plenty of drunk drivers on the road every night. That doesn't make it right, that also scares me. If one death comes back to pot that is too much. If someone wants to take drugs and kill themselves that is fine, but leave the rest of us out of it.

See you see it as the effects of marijuana are minimal and I see it as the effects of alcohol are just that bad. I'm sure most people on here have been so intoxicated where they can barely even see, walk or talk and that is what I am comparing it to. Goes back to my statement you drink a bottle and Ill smoke a joint and we'll see who does better on the road. The point of my statement is that you max out on how high you can be but you never max out on how drunk you can be... you can literally kill yourself drinking but it is not possible to OD on marijuana.

How can people be ok with alcohol being legal but say legalizing pot is wrong when alcohol is proven to be a much more debilitating drug?

How many deaths come back to a tired person driving? Distracted by a cell phone? Distracted changing their CD? Messing with their GPS? Stuffing a whopper in their face? So you must feel that all of those are wrong and should be illegal as well? Their is a certain risk you take while operating a vehicle which is why in my mind a good driver isn't one who stays between the lines, puts their blinker on and never speeds... its the guy who is paying attention to the morons around them and avoids thier idiotic decisions.

Of course pot should be legalized and of course it should be illegal to drive under the influence it. :-)

I lean towards the belief that all drugs should be legalized. Then we could make room in the prisons for all the child molesters and murderers and keep them there forever (or execute em, makes no difference to me).

How about you put blame on the individual instead of the drug.

:master: Hallelujah!!! :yessir:

But.... wait....

then people will have to start TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for themselves??? Oh, no, we can't have THAT. It's always someone else's fault. It can't be THEIR fault. That victim mentality has WAY too big a pay off.

How many deaths come back to a tired person driving? Distracted by a cell phone? Distracted changing their CD? Messing with their GPS? Stuffing a whopper in their face? So you must feel that all of those are wrong and should be illegal as well? Their is a certain risk you take while operating a vehicle which is why in my mind a good driver isn't one who stays between the lines, puts their blinker on and never speeds... its the guy who is paying attention to the morons around them and avoids thier idiotic decisions.

Some of that is already illegal! Cell phone usage is illegal for drivers under 18 in MN. Texting is illegal for all drivers here. While not illegal, you could get ticketed for a more severe offense if you cause an accident while doing some of that other stuff (eating in the car, playing with the GPS, etc.).

:master: Hallelujah!!! :yessir:

But.... wait....

then people will have to start TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for themselves??? Oh, no, we can't have THAT. It's always someone else's fault. It can't be THEIR fault. That victim mentality has WAY too big a pay off.

I totally agree! :yes: However, there are WAY too many lawyers in this country to let that happen! They don't have jobs, unless someone is a victim!

How about you put blame on the individual instead of the drug. Irresponsible people kill people while driving intoxicated. If they were responsible they wouldn't be driving high period. Believe it or not MJ will become legal in the near future California is setting the precedent for all other states to follow. Check the statistics for dispensaries and how much money they make, I know the Gov is keeping a close eye on them.

Here are states that already leagalized Med MJ
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000881

Here are some states that are thinking about legalizing. Looks like your state is thinking about it.
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=002481

Ummm yeah I never blamed anything on pot. I said it scares me that someone says that they can drive while they are high. I also never said if I agree or disagree with it becoming legal or not. Yes I assume all states will make med pot legal eventually.

See you see it as the effects of marijuana are minimal and I see it as the effects of alcohol are just that bad. I'm sure most people on here have been so intoxicated where they can barely even see, walk or talk and that is what I am comparing it to. Goes back to my statement you drink a bottle and Ill smoke a joint and we'll see who does better on the road. The point of my statement is that you max out on how high you can be but you never max out on how drunk you can be... you can literally kill yourself drinking but it is not possible to OD on marijuana.

How can people be ok with alcohol being legal but say legalizing pot is wrong when alcohol is proven to be a much more debilitating drug?

How many deaths come back to a tired person driving? Distracted by a cell phone? Distracted changing their CD? Messing with their GPS? Stuffing a whopper in their face? So you must feel that all of those are wrong and should be illegal as well? Their is a certain risk you take while operating a vehicle which is why in my mind a good driver isn't one who stays between the lines, puts their blinker on and never speeds... its the guy who is paying attention to the morons around them and avoids thier idiotic decisions.

What I said was it scares me that people think it is ok to drive high. It scares me that YOU posted that you can drive high. When I was young I drove drunk a few times. I never had an accident, so does that make it right? Hell no it doesn't. Anybody that drinks, takes pills, smokes pot, huffs, etc... SHOULD NOT DRIVE period. This isn't a legal or illegal thing I am saying. It is a dumb decision thing I am saying.

I never said it was ok to drive high or people should drive high... I just said I can do it and have done it hundreds of times. I did it bc I was in high school/college and had no other private place to do it without getting in trouble. Yes I said it... I drove around smoking...getting high... so I DIDNT GET IN TROUBLE... and it worked! No tickets... no accidents... and mom/dad didnt yell at me for smoking pot in their house! Now that I have my own place I can do it in my own home and very rarely drive after participating in thus frowned upon act... I can just sit here on my couch with the munchies and play video games maaaaan!:lmao:

I never said it was ok to drive high or people should drive high... I just said I can do it and have done it hundreds of times. I did it bc I was in high school/college and had no other private place to do it without getting in trouble. Yes I said it... I drove around smoking...getting high... so I DIDNT GET IN TROUBLE... and it worked! No tickets... no accidents... and mom/dad didnt yell at me for smoking pot in their house! Now that I have my own place I can do it in my own home and very rarely drive after participating in thus frowned upon act... I can just sit here on my couch with the munchies and play video games maaaaan!:lmao:

I hope someday you grow up and stop driving while under the influence of everything. Hopefully you don't kill someone in the mean time.

I assume all states will make med pot legal eventually.

I hope so. I feel the glaucoma pressure building in my eyes as I type. And the migraines...

if you had ever met Jeepguy, you'd write me a scrip for ANYTHING I WANTED.

I never said it was ok to drive high or people should drive high... I just said I can do it and have done it hundreds of times. I did it bc I was in high school/college and had no other private place to do it without getting in trouble. Yes I said it... I drove around smoking...getting high... so I DIDNT GET IN TROUBLE... and it worked! No tickets... no accidents... and mom/dad didnt yell at me for smoking pot in their house! Now that I have my own place I can do it in my own home and very rarely drive after participating in thus frowned upon act... I can just sit here on my couch with the munchies and play video games maaaaan!:lmao:

Aaaahhhhh..... I now see why I cant stand you (other than your smart ass mouth). You are a dope head. Some of your post make sense now.....

I hope someday you grow up and stop driving while under the influence of everything. Hopefully you don't kill someone in the mean time.

Amen. As a professional driver, I am sure you have seen way too much life wasted out there. All too quickly it's gone, and it was always saddening for me to drive past those. It truly just takes a split second. You can do something a million times safely, but the time it really counts is the time it goes bad. Driving under the influence of mind-altering substances is never okay. It's not a matter of IF you screw up and kill someone, but WHEN.

You can definitely still operate a vehicle high and be 1000000 times better than a drunk person. It doesnt effect your vision but obviously you can get distracted but hows that any different than a cell phone or GPS? The main hurdle in leaglizing it is the fact there is no test to verify whether you are high on the spot like a breathalyzer.

As far as smoking in public places... Amsterdam is a great example of it. The people there are so polite and its just common courtesy to ask before you do it around other people and I'm pretty sure they dont allow smoking just anywhere and they try to keep it at the coffee shops. I am totally for keeping it a private matter and out of the public eye.



:lmao::lmao::lmao: That's ridiculous to even say........

I agree....

You can definitely still operate a vehicle high and be 1000000 times better than a drunk person. It doesnt effect your vision but obviously you can get distracted but hows that any different than a cell phone or GPS? The main hurdle in leaglizing it is the fact there is no test to verify whether you are high on the spot like a breathalyzer.

As far as smoking in public places... Amsterdam is a great example of it. The people there are so polite and its just common courtesy to ask before you do it around other people and I'm pretty sure they dont allow smoking just anywhere and they try to keep it at the coffee shops. I am totally for keeping it a private matter and out of the public eye.

Aaaahhhhh..... I now see why I cant stand you (other than your smart ass mouth). You are a dope head. Some of your post make sense now.....


It's called rationalizing in the addicts mind.....

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For other uses, see Rationalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization).
In psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) and logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic), rationalization (or making excuses[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)#cite_note-0)) is an informal fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy) of reasoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning) in which one constructs a logical justification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_justification) for a belief, decision, action or lack thereof that was originally arrived at through a different mental process. It is a defense mechanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_mechanism) in which perceived controversial behaviors or feelings are explained in a rational or logical manner to avoid the true explanation of the behavior or feeling in question.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)#cite_note-2)
This process can be in a range from fully conscious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious) (e.g. to present an external defense against ridicule from others) to mostly subconscious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subconscious) (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt)).
Rationalization is one of the defense mechanisms proposed by Sigmund Freud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud), which were later developed further by his daughter Anna Freud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Freud).
According to the DSM-IV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders) rationalization occurs "when the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by concealing the true motivations for his or her own thoughts, actions, or feelings through the elaboration of reassuring or self serving but incorrect explanations."

Aaaahhhhh..... I now see why I cant stand you (other than your smart ass mouth). You are a dope head. Some of your post make sense now.....

:lol:

Aaaahhhhh..... I now see why I cant stand you (other than your smart ass mouth). You are a dope head. Some of your post make sense now.....

:lmao:

Aaaahhhhh..... I now see why I cant stand you (other than your smart ass mouth). You are a dope head. Some of your post make sense now.....

Doesnt bother me one bit bro... You're just a screen name to me... as far as the dope head comment... If you call taking about 6 hits a weekend a dope head then yea I'm damn proud to say I enjoy a little toke after workin 60hr weeks. Some enjoy a cold one... you probably enjoy a nice douche... I prefer a couple hits... to each their own I guess:rockon:

Doesnt bother me one bit bro... You're just a screen name to me... as far as the dope head comment... If you call taking about 6 hits a weekend a dope head then yea I'm damn proud to say I enjoy a little toke after workin 60hr weeks. Some enjoy a cold one... you probably enjoy a nice douche... I prefer a couple hits... to each their own I guess:rockon:

And you are nothing but a dope head moron who helps bring this country to its knees. I dont care if you take 6 hits or smoke a joint every hour, you are engaging in illegal activity and indulging in something that helps fund all kinds of crime.
If you are proud of it, then you are a big loser and idiot than I originally thought.
And no, I dont shove stuff up my ass.... maybe you like that but I dont. I also dont engage in illegal activity.
Hope you enjoy this dialogue because you go on ignore after this you moronic loser dope head. Have a nice life! :yes:

The guy with 16,000 posts on a forum is calling me a "moronic loser dope head"... the word of the day is... IRONIC. Keep it real Ron... I'm sure I'll get a rise out of you again in the upcoming football season ... Maybe by then I'll have 500 posts on here;)

The guy with 16,000 posts on a forum is calling me a "moronic loser dope head"... the word of the day is... IRONIC. Keep it real Ron... I'm sure I'll get a rise out of you again in the upcoming football season ... Maybe by then I'll have 500 posts on here;)

So you think you are putting him down because of his post count? I got news for you, he's done more for this forum, this hobby/industry and this country then you will EVER think about doing. So why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it!! Because if you think you will stay here and put down people for being constructive members you're smoking more than pot........

So you think you are putting him down because of his post count? I got news for you, he's done more for this forum, this hobby/industry and this country then you will EVER think about doing. So why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it!! Because if you think you will stay here and put down people for being constructive members you're smoking more than pot........

Its alright wild man... its the dope talking.... too bad he cant think on his own. He is young and stupid. Hopefully he will grow up one day and realize there is more to life than sitting around getting high......

So you think you are putting him down because of his post count? I got news for you, he's done more for this forum, this hobby/industry and this country then you will EVER think about doing. Because if you think you will stay here and put down people for being constructive members you're smoking more than pot........

He has the OK to express his opinion on what a "loser" is in his mind and I expressed mine... I appologize to you if you are offended by my opinion.

Its alright wild man... its the dope talking.... too bad he cant think on his own. He is young and stupid. Hopefully he will grow up one day and realize there is more to life than sitting around getting high......

Ron what are you missing?? I work 60hr weeks and I'm SALARY. I ref youth hockey games on the weekend to make some extra $$... Very rarely am I "sitting around getting high." When are you going to pull your head out of you arse and grasp the concept that I dont sit at my house doing nothing all day smoking pot?? Damn I'm sure if I said at the end of the week "I just wanna go home and enjoy a cold one or hit the bottle" you probaby would chuckle and not care.

Just curious as to whether you will label me as a loser because I smoke pot WHEN it becomes legal? I know your answer will probably be "no you are just a loser period" but I'm trying to figure out why you have such a problem with people who smoke pot?

He has the OK to express his opinion on what a "loser" is in his mind and I expressed mine... I appologize to you if you are offended by my opinion.

What you're doing is ILLEGAL, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Losers break laws and willingly brag about it. It's a known fact illegal drug sales fund illegal operations, even terrorism. Then you come here and brag about it, that's a bunch of BS.

When you bash someone for their post count, you bash this very club. This club wouldn't be what it is today without the participation of dedicated members.

Ron what are you missing?? I work 60hr weeks and I'm SALARY. I ref youth hockey games on the weekend to make some extra $$... Very rarely am I "sitting around getting high." When are you going to pull your head out of you arse and grasp the concept that I dont sit at my house doing nothing all day smoking pot?? Damn I'm sure if I said at the end of the week "I just wanna go home and enjoy a cold one or hit the bottle" you probaby would chuckle and not care.

Just curious as to whether you will label me as a loser because I smoke pot WHEN it becomes legal? I know your answer will probably be "no you are just a loser period" but I'm trying to figure out why you have such a problem with people who smoke pot?

I wonder how many parents would want you being part of youth program if they knew you smoked pot?

What you're doing is ILLEGAL, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Losers break laws and willingly brag about it. It's a known fact illegal drug sales fund illegal operations, even terrorism. Then you come here and brag about it, that's a bunch of BS.

When you bash someone for their post count, you bash this very club. This club wouldn't be what it is today without the participation of dedicated members.

This is what people fail to realize. This money isnt used by law abiding citizens to do good. I cant tell you how many MILLIONS of pounds of drugs we found during vehicle check points throughout Afghanistan and Iraq. Most of it would have ended up in the streets right here in the US and the money would have funded more terrorism and the loss of more soldiers.
So, Josh, you want to continue to support terrorism, fill the bowl up again!

I wonder how many parents would want you being part of youth program if they knew you smoked pot?

I would do my best to make sure he was arrested if he were doing this around my kids......
And Josh I have you on ignore so dont bother responding to me. I cant and wont read it.

The guy with 16,000 posts on a forum is calling me a "moronic loser dope head"... the word of the day is... IRONIC. Keep it real Ron... I'm sure I'll get a rise out of you again in the upcoming football season ... Maybe by then I'll have 500 posts on here;)

Keep it up....I hope they boot you!!!

What you're doing is ILLEGAL, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. Losers break laws and willingly brag about it. It's a known fact illegal drug sales fund illegal operations, even terrorism. Then you come here and brag about it, that's a bunch of BS.

When you bash someone for their post count, you bash this very club. This club wouldn't be what it is today without the participation of dedicated members.


:yessir::yessir::yessir:

This thread was started for a heathly debate and has since turned personal so unless others have more input on the debate this thread is dead.

This thread was started for a heathly debate and has since turned personal so unless others have more input on the debate this thread is dead.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

I agree Bill. Some people cant handle reality when it kicks them in the ass......

I agree Bill. Some people cant handle reality when it kicks them in the ass......

Dude seriously?? I could go on and on about you and your insults but I'm just trying to just put it to rest... be a man and zip it unless you wanna talk about the initial topic and not me.

All this talk about pot not being legal and funding terrorist then I scroll down and see this.
Must be a sign?!
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w319/Flamed1/DSC04914.jpg

Dude seriously?? I could go on and on about you and your insults but I'm just trying to just put it to rest... be a man and zip it unless you wanna talk about the initial topic and not me.

You brought this on yourself.....:dunno:

All this talk about pot not being legal and funding terrorist then I scroll down and see this.
Must be a sign?!


Very interesting.....

All this talk about pot not being legal and funding terrorist then I scroll down and see this.
Must be a sign?!
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w319/Flamed1/DSC04914.jpg

Not on mine...Then again I'm not searching for pot on the internet either :lmao:

You brought this on yourself.....:dunno:

Is he talking to you wild man because I havent said a word to this idiot in a while. YOU ARE ON IGNORE MORON SO I CANT SEE YOUR POST..... Put the bong down and read it s l o w l y so you understand......

I agree Bill. Some people cant handle reality when it kicks them in the ass......

:yessir:

All this talk about pot not being legal and funding terrorist then I scroll down and see this.
Must be a sign?!
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w319/Flamed1/DSC04914.jpg

Serendipitous??

Not on mine...Then again I'm not searching for pot on the internet either :lmao:

My is a ask a vet a question one....:dunno:

Is it related to what "you" search for and post like things...never noticed it was even there....hehe

Mine is for custom enclosures.....:dunno:

Very interesting.....

Bro you don't have to go all Sherlock Holmes on me just thought it was to funny!:lmao:

Not on mine...Then again I'm not searching for pot on the internet either :lmao:

That's cause your computer isn't from California.

My is a ask a vet a question one....:dunno:

Is it related to what "you" search for and post like things...never noticed it was even there....hehe

Possibly....I'm surprised yours isn't a 1-800 hot girl number :lmao::lmao: Just kidding man :greenman::cheers:

Possibly....I'm surprised yours isn't a 1-800 hot girl number :lmao::lmao: Just kidding man :greenman::cheers:
I don't have to do searches for that stuff....I just look at pictures....:lmao:

Possibly....I'm surprised yours isn't a 1-800 hot girl number :lmao::lmao: Just kidding man :greenman::cheers:

I don't have to do searches for that stuff....I just look at pictures....:lmao:

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

That's cause your computer isn't from California.


Pot finding computers only in California very interesting....

Mine are all Vet and Cage advertisements....things I have google'd recently....so i thought that may be how it works....

Pot finding computers only in California very interesting....

Bro don't you go Sherlock on me to!!!!

You brought this on yourself.....:dunno:

As I stated I could go on and on about Mr.Ron but am trying to put it to rest because it'll only get uglier if we keep going. He's like a little kid whose got to get in the last word in. I'd be more than happy to go on with the comments made about me because most of them have already been answered. If people would actually read what I write and not make their own dumb assumptions most this thread wouldnt be about me.

For example... I mentioned I ref hockey games on the weekend... well I ref them in the morning/early afternoon and then AT NIGHT enjoy a freshy. Dont see where it says "Yo man I burn a fatty on the way to the rink then ref some hockey games duuuuude." Somewhere in me stating I ref hockey games it was assumed not only do I smoke BEFORE the game... but apparently I actually smoke AROUND the kids?? But yet I'm the moron... riiiiiiiight

I would do my best to make sure he was arrested if he were doing this around my kids......

As I stated I could go on and on about Mr.Ron but am trying to put it to rest because it'll only get uglier if we keep going. He's like a little kid whose got to get in the last word in. I'd be more than happy to go on with the comments made about me because most of them have already been answered. If people would actually read what I write and not make their own dumb assumptions most this thread wouldnt be about me.

For example... I mentioned I ref hockey games on the weekend... well I ref them in the morning/early afternoon and then AT NIGHT enjoy a freshy. Dont see where it says "Yo man I burn a fatty on the way to the rink then ref some hockey games duuuuude." Somewhere in me stating I ref hockey games it was assumed not only do I smoke BEFORE the game... but apparently I actually smoke AROUND the kids?? But yet I'm the moron... riiiiiiiight

I took you off ignore long enough to see what stupid shit you would write... I was right again... nothing but stupidity. I see you still havent responded to the fact you are supporting terrorism and other illegal activites and crimes every time you go out and by weed...... truth too hard to handle Josh?

Another question Josh.... What does your job think about your "indulgences"?

I took you off ignore long enough to see what stupid shit you would write... I was right again... nothing but stupidity. I see you still havent responded to the fact you are supporting terrorism and other illegal activites and crimes every time you go out and by weed...... truth too hard to handle Josh?

My weed comes from Canada or the reservation which is 15 miles from my house. The stuff I smoke isn't coming from Iraq buddy. Not sure how the hell you think hundreds of pounds are making it from Iraq to the US when people can barely get a pound from Canada to the US? Did you read my previous posts? I assume not because the answer to your question has already been posted. Regardless of whether I buy a 10 sac once a week or not... all my guys stuff will be sold and he will get more. If you look at it that I'm supporting terrorism and illegal activities then sure buddy I am... Which brings me to my next point(which surprisingly has already been made!) ... If it's legal we'd be able to buy it from a source that isnt linked to "terrorism or illegal activity" ... sounds like you should be supporting legalization as well:yes::yes:

My weed comes from Canada or the reservation which is 15 miles from my house. The stuff I smoke isn't coming from Iraq buddy. Not sure how the hell you think hundreds of pounds are making it from Iraq to the US when people can barely get a pound from Canada to the US? Did you read my previous posts? I assume not because the answer to your question has already been posted. Regardless of whether I buy a 10 sac once a week or not... all my guys stuff will be sold and he will get more. If you look at it that I'm supporting terrorism and illegal activities then sure buddy I am... Which brings me to my next point(which surprisingly has already been made!) ... If it's legal we'd be able to buy it from a source that isnt linked to "terrorism or illegal activity" ... sounds like you should be supporting legalization as well:yes::yes:

Sounds like YOU arent getting the point.... IT IS ILLEGAL! Could be, should be, would be.... not in the equation at this point. What you are doing is ILLEGAL, plain and simple.
Are you naive enough to believe that YOUR source isnt doing something illegal? :lmao: Sorry bud but you are WRONG again! And if you are buying from Canada then whoever is bringing it over is breaking INTERNATIONAL laws... not just US laws. Do a little research on the drug trade... you might be enlightened as to where your money goes.

Another question Josh.... What does your job think about your "indulgences"?

My company just recently started drug testing last year after it was found that idiots were going on their lunch breaks and getting high then coming back to work. Prior to that the company operated 25yrs without drug testing. We do randoms about once every 4-6 months. I am a supervisor so I usually get word of the upcoming testing a few weeks in advance which gives me enough time to get below the threshold of a failing test. Like I've said I smoke Friday nights and Saturdays after my reffing commitment is done. Because I dont smoke all the time 10-14 days is enough time to get below the failing limit and I was pulled last time and passed.

As much as you dont want to believe me or admitt it... you can smoke responsibly just like one can drink responsibly.


Now answer my question... Am I still a loser in your mind if weed is made legal? ... please save me the smart ass response of "you're just a loser period"

My company just recently started drug testing last year after it was found that idiots were going on their lunch breaks and getting high then coming back to work. Prior to that the company operated 25yrs without drug testing. We do randoms about once every 4-6 months. I am a supervisor so I usually get word of the upcoming testing a few weeks in advance which gives me enough time to get below the threshold of a failing test. Like I've said I smoke Friday nights and Saturdays after my reffing commitment is done. Because I dont smoke all the time 10-14 days is enough time to get below the failing limit and I was pulled last time and passed.

As much as you dont want to believe me or admitt it... you can smoke responsibly just like one can drink responsibly.


Now answer my question... Am I still a loser in your mind if weed is made legal? ... please save me the smart ass response of "you're just a loser period"

My ENTIRE point is it is ILLEGAL. YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!! If they legalize it, you arent breaking the law.
But now that you have told me you use your position as a supervisor to make sure you pass drug tests, you just lost any chance of respect from me. Maybe I am wrong but I was raised in the military where you NEVER use your rank or position for personal gain. So do you go out and let all your employees know there is a drug test coming soon? If you do and I was your boss, I would fire your ass on the spot. You are completely demeaning what your company is trying to do.

Sounds like YOU arent getting the point.... IT IS ILLEGAL! Could be, should be, would be.... not in the equation at this point. What you are doing is ILLEGAL, plain and simple.
Are you naive enough to believe that YOUR source isnt doing something illegal? :lmao: Sorry bud but you are WRONG again! And if you are buying from Canada then whoever is bringing it over is breaking INTERNATIONAL laws... not just US laws. Do a little research on the drug trade... you might be enlightened as to where your money goes.

The thing is Ron... I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS! It would take about 25 million Americans to stop smoking weed for it to have an effect on anything. Little old Joshy smoking a 10 sac a week isnt providing a whole lot of funding. I'm sure my $520/year is the little extra that keeps them in business:lmao:

The thing is Ron... I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS! It would take about 25 million Americans to stop smoking weed for it to have an effect on anything. Little old Joshy smoking a 10 sac a week isnt providing a whole lot of funding. I'm sure my $520/year is the little extra that keeps them in business:lmao:

Just the answer I expected from you..... I am sure the drug lords who kill people and make millions DONT GIVE A RATS ASS EITHER!
And that, Josh, is what makes you a LOSER! Your I dont give a shit attitude is what is wrong with this country and your generation. You dont care who it affects as long you get what you want. Your ass is going back on ignore now you dope head loser..... Have a nice STONED life! :yes:

My ENTIRE point is it is ILLEGAL. YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!! If they legalize it, you arent breaking the law.
But now that you have told me you use your position as a supervisor to make sure you pass drug tests, you just lost any chance of respect from me. Maybe I am wrong but I was raised in the military where you NEVER use your rank or position for personal gain. So do you go out and let all your employees know there is a drug test coming soon? If you do and I was your boss, I would fire your ass on the spot. You are completely demeaning what your company is trying to do.

Not looking for your respect so not sure what damage you think that's doing to me... I'm just being 100% honest with ya? If I wasnt a supervisor and didnt get the early word your right I probably wouldnt smoke... Buuuut I happen to get the word so :dunno:. The company is looking for a break on insurance dues not to catch people for smoking pot. I dont tell my employees there is testing coming up but I do know there are other supervisors who do.

Just the answer I expected from you..... I am sure the drug lords who kill people and make millions DONT GIVE A RATS ASS EITHER!
And that, Josh, is what makes you a LOSER! Your I dont give a shit attitude is what is wrong with this country and your generation. You dont care who it affects as long you get what you want. Your ass is going back on ignore now you dope head loser..... Have a nice STONED life! :yes:

Man you are an extremist! You are obviously missing the whole point that 1 person not buying/smoking weed isn't going to change a god damn thing! So what I quit because Ron thinks I'm a loser and all the drug lords dissapear? I went to college... got a degree... working 60 hours plus do extra stuff on the weekends to make money... got a fiance and a house... pay my taxes... BUT because I smoke pot I'm whats wrong with this country????:lmao::lmao:... Man you are a joke...

As I stated I could go on and on about Mr.Ron but am trying to put it to rest because it'll only get uglier if we keep going. He's like a little kid whose got to get in the last word in. I'd be more than happy to go on with the comments made about me because most of them have already been answered. If people would actually read what I write and not make their own dumb assumptions most this thread wouldnt be about me.

For example... I mentioned I ref hockey games on the weekend... well I ref them in the morning/early afternoon and then AT NIGHT enjoy a freshy. Dont see where it says "Yo man I burn a fatty on the way to the rink then ref some hockey games duuuuude." Somewhere in me stating I ref hockey games it was assumed not only do I smoke BEFORE the game... but apparently I actually smoke AROUND the kids?? But yet I'm the moron... riiiiiiiight

Nobody said you smoked around the kids, but said the parents wouldn't appreciate you (a pot user) around their kids, big difference.

The thing is Ron... I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS! It would take about 25 million Americans to stop smoking weed for it to have an effect on anything. Little old Joshy smoking a 10 sac a week isnt providing a whole lot of funding. I'm sure my $520/year is the little extra that keeps them in business:lmao:

Multiply it by other morons that do the same thing it adds up real fast......You wonder why Ron has big problem with you, you disrespect everything he stands for as a Army soldier.

Not looking for your respect so not sure what damage you think that's doing to me... I'm just being 100% honest with ya? If I wasnt a supervisor and didnt get the early word your right I probably wouldnt smoke... Buuuut I happen to get the word so :dunno:. The company is looking for a break on insurance dues not to catch people for smoking pot. I dont tell my employees there is testing coming up but I do know there are other supervisors who do.

The company gets a break on their insurance for testing because people who are working high are far more likely to get injured on the job than someone who isn't. So detering people from smoking saves the company and the insurance money by not having pot heads on staff.

Man you are an extremist! You are obviously missing the whole point that 1 person not buying/smoking weed isn't going to change a god damn thing! So what I quit because Ron thinks I'm a loser and all the drug lords dissapear? I went to college... got a degree... working 60 hours plus do extra stuff on the weekends to make money... got a fiance and a house... pay my taxes... BUT because I smoke pot I'm whats wrong with this country????:lmao::lmao:... Man you are a joke...

It has to start somewhere, so yes one person CAN make a difference. Do what is right and quit with the BS excuses....

Multiply it by other morons that do the same thing it adds up real fast......You wonder why Ron has big problem with you, you disrespect everything he stands for as a Army soldier.



The company gets a break on their insurance for testing because people who are working high are far more likely to get injured on the job than someone who isn't. So detering people from smoking saves the company and the insurance money by not having pot heads on staff.



It has to start somewhere, so yes one person CAN make a difference. Do what is right and quit with the BS excuses....

I understand where you are coming from in that it has to start somewhere but sorry man I'm not that big of a influence on every other American so me not doing it wont stop a thing. As far as me disrespecting Ron for everything he stands for, I dont see it that way. Even if there was no drug trade there would still be terrorism and they would still get funding from many other things and countries. There would still be people who want to kill us just because we are American regardless if they have drug money to fund them. I am just not a believer that the stuff I smoke in Syracuse, NY has any connection with any terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan. The pounds and pounds he talks about were most likely headed to other close countries and not half way around the world. If you related it to the crime in Syracuse I'd see your point but even then little ol me isn't going to stop the gang banging. Thats a societal issue and is much deeper than pot sales.

I would do my best to make sure he was arrested if he were doing this around my kids.......

Nobody said you smoked around the kids, but said the parents wouldn't appreciate you (a pot user) around their kids, big difference.

Pretty sure Ron saying "doing this around my kids" is him saying I smoke around kids. No parent who I ref knows what I do outside of reffing because it's none of their business. I guess I should just trade the pot in for booze and go ref the games hung over or still drunk because thats legal??:dunno:

The thing is Ron... I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS! :lmao:

That's what gets me about some people today, the don't give a damn generation....

I understand where you are coming from in that it has to start somewhere but sorry man I'm not that big of a influence on every other American so me not doing it wont stop a thing. As far as me disrespecting Ron for everything he stands for, I dont see it that way. Even if there was no drug trade there would still be terrorism and they would still get funding from many other things and countries. There would still be people who want to kill us just because we are American regardless if they have drug money to fund them. I am just not a believer that the stuff I smoke in Syracuse, NY has any connection with any terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan. The pounds and pounds he talks about were most likely headed to other close countries and not half way around the world. If you related it to the crime in Syracuse I'd see your point but even then little ol me isn't going to stop the gang banging. Thats a societal issue and is much deeper than pot sales.

Then you are truly a moron if you can't look past your back yard and see the bigger picture.

Pretty sure Ron saying "doing this around my kids" is him saying I smoke around kids. No parent who I ref knows what I do outside of reffing because it's none of their business. I guess I should just trade the pot in for booze and go ref the games hung over or still drunk because thats legal??:dunno:

Well, I disagree. If you a part of a youth program and have any dealings with illegal substances the parents have the right to know. As far a going to ref a youth game drunk, no you can't and shouldn't do that either so what's your point?

You are never going to get us to agree what you're doing is ok. As far as I'm concerned you are just digging a hole and making yourself sound worse with every word you type trying to justify it.

The thing is Ron... I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS! It would take about 25 million Americans to stop smoking weed for it to have an effect on anything. Little old Joshy smoking a 10 sac a week isnt providing a whole lot of funding. I'm sure my $520/year is the little extra that keeps them in business:lmao:

True, but 25 million people each smoking a 10 sac does add up.

You are never going to get us to agree what you're doing is ok. As far as I'm concerned you are just digging a hole and making yourself sound worse with every word you type trying to justify it.

My intentions are not to get you or anyone to agree with me... I am simply stating my side plain and simple. You have your views of right and wrong and I have mine... Thats the beauty about this country is you can voice your opinion regardless of who the hell thinks it's right/wrong. I don't need to justify my actions to you or anyone and again those are not my intentions of posting in this thread. I just hope that everyone who is against me and what I choose to do in my free time doesnt think I'm the only one who thinks this way bc theres at least 25 million other americans who feel the same way I do about marijuana use. Some have voiced their opinions throughout this thread and just choose not to go into the details I have. I'd atleast hope you'd respect the fact I'm telling it the way it is regardless of whether or not you think I'm a moronic dope head idiot... if that makes any sense. :cheers:

True, but 25 million people each smoking a 10 sac does add up.

I agree with you 100% but unless you get 25 million to stop at once, or even over a decade... 1 person is but a drop in the ocean.

Thats the beauty about this country is you can voice your opinion regardless of who the hell thinks it's right/wrong.

Well then go down to your local police department, the human resource department where you work and the youth program for which you referee and tell them your opinion. See where that gets ya......:yes:

I agree with you 100% but unless you get 25 million to stop at once, or even over a decade... 1 person is but a drop in the ocean.

and that's why it won't change, because you all use each other as an excuse. :rolleyes:

and that's why it won't change, because you all use each other as an excuse. :rolleyes:

So I assume you drive a hybrid car then right? If no... why not? What's your "excuse?" Anything I say to "defend" my position is just going to be an excuse in your mind so if you dont drive a hybrid I'd like to hear your excuse on why not? Emissions from cars are a known pollutant and every person knows this yet every person isnt driving a hybrid to help curve the problem. I dont choose to smoke bc 25 million other americans smoke... I choose to smoke bc I like the way it tastes and I like the way it makes me feel.:wamma:

That's what gets me about some people today, the don't give a damn generation....

:yessir:

Well then go down to your local police department, the human resource department where you work and the youth program for which you referee and tell them your opinion. See where that gets ya......:yes:

Whoa that one was reaaal original... If they had open forums where it was open to discuss I'd have no problem joining in but common sense tells me I dont need to put a target on my back that is unnecessary.

Whoa that one was reaaal original... If they had open forums where it was open to discuss I'd have no problem joining in but common sense tells me I dont need to put a target on my back that is unnecessary.

So quit smoking for a while, and DO something to make it legal, or at least talk to people about decriminalization.


This thread is many pages longer but no further along than when I last looked at it... and it's not just the smokers being redundant.

Doesn't seem like anyone is going to sway the other. Maybe just agree to disagree, and VOTE your position.

Have fun, kids, and please play nice...

:)

Well then go down to your local police department, the human resource department where you work and the youth program for which you referee and tell them your opinion. See where that gets ya......:yes:

Yeah.. let me know how that works out for ya..... Lets see.. you would get arrested, get fired, and get booted from being a ref... but we are wrong. :rolleyes:
He is right though. I could GIVE A RATS ASS if he loses his way to make a living because he wants to indulge in illegal activities and gets arrested. In fact, smoke another one! Hope Bubba is in a good mood WHEN you finally get caught and thrown in jail! :yes:

Whoa that one was reaaal original... If they had open forums where it was open to discuss I'd have no problem joining in but common sense tells me I dont need to put a target on my back that is unnecessary.

Well I think that's the whole point....You know your doing something illegal and yet you keep doing it and even boost about abusing your position at work to get around being caught....Fact is till it's made legal your in the wrong and breaking the law.....and boosting about breaking laws is something most frown upon around here...:yessir:

So I assume you drive a hybrid car then right? If no... why not? What's your "excuse?" Anything I say to "defend" my position is just going to be an excuse in your mind so if you dont drive a hybrid I'd like to hear your excuse on why not? Emissions from cars are a known pollutant and every person knows this yet every person isnt driving a hybrid to help curve the problem. I dont choose to smoke bc 25 million other americans smoke... I choose to smoke bc I like the way it tastes and I like the way it makes me feel.:wamma:

Wow, that's real sound logic......:lmao::lmao::lmao:

That's what gets me about some people today, the don't give a damn generation....

As long as it suits their needs, screw everyone else...

What if me and everyone else who served in the military decided to just care about ourselves? He might still be able to smoke weed but he would be speaking Russian instead of English right now! :yessir:

Whoa that one was reaaal original... If they had open forums where it was open to discuss I'd have no problem joining in but common sense tells me I dont need to put a target on my back that is unnecessary.

What, the truth hurt?

Well I think that's the whole point....You know your doing something illegal and yet you keep doing it and even boost about abusing your position at work to get around being caught....Fact is till it's made legal your in the wrong and breaking the law.....and boosting about breaking laws is something most frown upon around here...:yessir:

:yes:

So quit smoking for a while, and DO something to make it legal, or at least talk to people about decriminalization.


That would mean doing something more than posting anonymously on the internet. Won't happen.....:rolleyes:

Yeah.. let me know how that works out for ya..... Lets see.. you would get arrested, get fired, and get booted from being a ref... but we are wrong. :rolleyes:
He is right though. I could GIVE A RATS ASS if he loses his way to make a living because he wants to indulge in illegal activities and gets arrested. In fact, smoke another one! Hope Bubba is in a good mood WHEN you finally get caught and thrown in jail! :yes:

First off you cant get thrown in jail or fired for TALKING about something. I can go tell every police officer I smoke crack as well as my HR rep and until he finds it on me or catches me doing it they cant do a damn thing brother!

Well I think that's the whole point....You know your doing something illegal and yet you keep doing it and even boost about abusing your position at work to get around being caught....Fact is till it's made legal your in the wrong and breaking the law.....and boosting about breaking laws is something most frown upon around here...:yessir:

Whoa whoa whoa... slow down there speedy... I never boasted about anything... like previously stated... I just told it how it is.

Wow, that's real sound logic......:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Still waiting on your response ... assume Ill never get one like most questions I've asked in this thread... Just confused on where you are lost in my logic?? very simple... I know smoking pot is bad and "supports terrorism:lmao:", I still do it and there are other options out there such as dont smoke... you know driving a regular car is bad for the environment... you still do it even though there are other options as a hybrid... what's your "excuse" why you aren't driving one?

First off you cant get thrown in jail or fired for TALKING about something. I can go tell every police officer I smoke crack as well as my HR rep and until he finds it on me or catches me doing it they cant do a damn thing brother!

Wanta bet? Come work for my company and tell me you smoke weed. I will fire you on the spot!
Whoa whoa whoa... slow down there speedy... I never boasted about anything... like previously stated... I just told it how it is.
I disagree. You are boasting about it.

Still waiting on your response ... assume Ill never get one like most questions I've asked in this thread... Just confused on where you are lost in my logic?? very simple... I know smoking pot is bad and "supports terrorism:lmao:", I still do it and there are other options out there such as dont smoke... you know driving a regular car is bad for the environment... you still do it even though there are other options as a hybrid... what's your "excuse" why you aren't driving one?

Last time I checked, driving a non-hybrid car wasnt illegal....

Whoa whoa whoa... slow down there speedy... I never boasted about anything... like previously stated... I just told it how it is.

Call it what you want...but to me it's boosting and abusing your job position :yessir:

My company just recently started drug testing last year after it was found that idiots were going on their lunch breaks and getting high then coming back to work. Prior to that the company operated 25yrs without drug testing. We do randoms about once every 4-6 months. I am a supervisor so I usually get word of the upcoming testing a few weeks in advance which gives me enough time to get below the threshold of a failing test. Like I've said I smoke Friday nights and Saturdays after my reffing commitment is done. Because I dont smoke all the time 10-14 days is enough time to get below the failing limit and I was pulled last time and passed.

As much as you dont want to believe me or admitt it... you can smoke responsibly just like one can drink responsibly.


Now answer my question... Am I still a loser in your mind if weed is made legal? ... please save me the smart ass response of "you're just a loser period"

Just a thought....with 25 million people in favor of Marijuana use, it should be pretty easy to get politically active and legalize it. All it would take is....well.....motivation. :rolleyes:

Pass the funions.

Just a thought....with 25 million people in favor of Marijuana use, it should be pretty easy to get politically active and legalize it. All it would take is....well.....motivation. :rolleyes:

Pass the funions.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Still waiting on your response ... assume Ill never get one like most questions I've asked in this thread... Just confused on where you are lost in my logic?? very simple... I know smoking pot is bad and "supports terrorism:lmao:", I still do it and there are other options out there such as dont smoke... you know driving a regular car is bad for the environment... you still do it even though there are other options as a hybrid... what's your "excuse" why you aren't driving one?

Is driving a gas guzzler illegal, no. So your arguement is not even similar to what we are talking about. But do I have any large gas guzzling vehicles, no. Don't even own a truck or anything anymore. The car we own gets very good gas mileage. Like I said, your comparison holds no water when it's not illegal to not own a hybrid.

Alright next time Ill lie and tell ya'll they dont drug test?? I didnt know telling the truth is boasting? Next time Ill sugar coat it for everyone so I'm not accused of "boasting"... now you guys are really reaching for things to badger me about.

Alright next time Ill lie and tell ya'll they dont drug test?? I didnt know telling the truth is boasting? Next time Ill sugar coat it for everyone so I'm not accused of "boasting"... now you guys are really reaching for things to badger me about.

Paranoid? :lmao:

Alright next time Ill lie and tell ya'll they dont drug test?? I didnt know telling the truth is boasting? Next time Ill sugar coat it for everyone so I'm not accused of "boasting"... now you guys are really reaching for things to badger me about.

You boasted that you use your position to pass drug tests, I really think you need to work on your reading comprehension levels........:rolleyes:

not at all... im only typing this stuff right now to help pass the time at work

not at all... im only typing this stuff right now to help pass the time at work

Instead of planning how to get out of the next drug test?

You boasted that you use your position to pass drug tests, I really think you need to work on your reading comprehension levels........:rolleyes:

thats not boasting you clown! It's stating the facts. Boasting is like "yea guys I have it made I'm a supervisor and I have connections so I know when the testing's coming so I can stop so I dont fail." All I said was I get word before it happens so I stop... Didnt know that was boasting?

Someone asked about how my work felt about me smoking and I answered it. If I was boasting I would have came out and just said it without being asked as if I was bragging. Like I said next time Ill just lie because then ya'll wont get your panties in a bunch.

thats not boasting you clown! It's stating the facts. Boasting is like "yea guys I have it made I'm a supervisor and I have connections so I know when the testing's coming so I can stop so I dont fail." All I said was I get word before it happens so I stop... Didnt know that was boasting?

Someone asked about how my work felt about me smoking and I answered it. If I was boasting I would have came out and just said it without being asked as if I was bragging. Like I said next time Ill just lie because then ya'll wont get your panties in a bunch.

How about just stop supporting the terrorists and you wont have to go through all that? Ever cross your mind? :rolleyes:

Instead of planning how to get out of the next drug test?

Missed me huh Ronny :p I knew you couldnt go too long without a little Joshy drama in your life. It's all good dude I have no hard feeling about you... peace, love and happiness maaaaaaaaaaan:cheers:

Alright next time Ill lie and tell ya'll they dont drug test?? I didnt know telling the truth is boasting? Next time Ill sugar coat it for everyone so I'm not accused of "boasting"... now you guys are really reaching for things to badger me about.

Now your saying you'll lie to cover stuff up next time..I gotta say that was step in the right direction of improving your image here :rolleyes:

thats not boasting you clown! It's stating the facts. Boasting is like "yea guys I have it made I'm a supervisor and I have connections so I know when the testing's coming so I can stop so I dont fail." All I said was I get word before it happens so I stop... Didnt know that was boasting?

Someone asked about how my work felt about me smoking and I answered it. If I was boasting I would have came out and just said it without being asked as if I was bragging. Like I said next time Ill just lie because then ya'll wont get your panties in a bunch.

Thats right, we're all wrong and you're right....:rolleyes:

You have 3 people telling you the same thing about the boasting, so how could we be right?

When you tell someone that you use your position as supervisor to pass drug tests, YOU ARE BOASTING/BRAGGING!!! Get a clue!!!

Missed me huh Ronny :p I knew you couldnt go too long without a little Joshy drama in your life. It's all good dude I have no hard feeling about you... peace, love and happiness maaaaaaaaaaan:cheers:

Not really Josh. I just cant stand scumbags like you and I do my best to keep them out of my Internet home. There are kids that post on this forum and I feel the same about you posting here as I would about you being a ref at one of their sporting events. Not only do you break the law but you lie to your job and use your position to get out of drug tests. Not the kind of people I want to be around.

Have you ever stopped to think what would happen if you did get busted at your job? Ready to lose everything you have worked for just to "feel good" on the weekend?
Moronic attitude to have if you ask me....

Josh you really need to step back and read this thread. You said you smoke pot, drive while high, deal with kids (not when high but still most parents would not consider this cool), and use your position to cheat drug tests. You had a couple people on your side at the start. However they realized that you are wrong. The more you type the deeper the hole you dig. I know you are young and don't consider any of this a problem but the majority do. You said 25 million people smoke pot, that means about 275 million don't. You need to cool your jets and see how the majority of the people see your views.

I actually have to agree with Josh on one thing. I don't think he was trying to be boastful, although it may have come accross that way. There are pros to legalization, but the problem with that happening is most of the people arguing for it are potheads, which have not been able to argue their position too well thus far.

My company just recently started drug testing last year after it was found that idiots were going on their lunch breaks and getting high then coming back to work. Prior to that the company operated 25yrs without drug testing. We do randoms about once every 4-6 months. I am a supervisor so I usually get word of the upcoming testing a few weeks in advance which gives me enough time to get below the threshold of a failing test. Like I've said I smoke Friday nights and Saturdays after my reffing commitment is done. Because I dont smoke all the time 10-14 days is enough time to get below the failing limit and I was pulled last time and passed.

Finding out about an upcoming drug test a few weeks ahead of time IS NOT RANDOM testing!!!! That's just pure BS! We have random testing at my workplace that is TRUELY random....like when you clock in, they pull you aside and say pee in this jar! Face it, you are ABUSING your position of power at your workplace to sidestep the drug testing. If the type of work you do is so damn boring that you have time to be on the Internet and other employees are out in the parking lot toking up, maybe your company should FIRE you all and hire some hard working Mexicans (who are here legally, of course).

I actually have to agree with Josh on one thing. I don't think he was trying to be boastful, although it may have come accross that way. There are pros to legalization, but the problem with that happening is most of the people arguing for it are potheads, which have not been able to argue their position too well thus far.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

I actually have to agree with Josh on one thing. I don't think he was trying to be boastful, although it may have come accross that way. There are pros to legalization, but the problem with that happening is most of the people arguing for it are potheads, which have not been able to argue their position too well thus far.

I agree with that last part :lmao:

Now your saying you'll lie to cover stuff up next time..I gotta say that was step in the right direction of improving your image here :rolleyes:

I guess you missed the part where I put a question mark as in asking you if thats what I should do instead of being honest

Thats right, we're all wrong and you're right....:rolleyes:

You have 3 people telling you the same thing about the boasting, so how could we be right?

When you tell someone that you use your position as supervisor to pass drug tests, YOU ARE BOASTING/BRAGGING!!! Get a clue!!!

My bad for telling the truth... I didnt realize me answering a question was boasting... next time ill just ignore it? :dunno:

Not really Josh. I just cant stand scumbags like you and I do my best to keep them out of my Internet home. There are kids that post on this forum and I feel the same about you posting here as I would about you being a ref at one of their sporting events. Not only do you break the law but you lie to your job and use your position to get out of drug tests. Not the kind of people I want to be around.

How do I lie to my job or use my position? Is it my fault that other people open their mouths and I hear what they have to say? I guess next time I should just cover my ears because apparently me hearing what others say is lying and using my position to get out of tests? You make it sound like I go out of my way to find out when it's coming... naw man upper level management talks and word spreads. Sounds like your problem is with my CEO and down and not with me... Good one Ronald!:lmao:

Have you ever stopped to think what would happen if you did get busted at your job? Ready to lose everything you have worked for just to "feel good" on the weekend?
Moronic attitude to have if you ask me....

You dont lose your job here... they pay for you to meet with couselor to help you work through your "problem" and you go on probation. If you fail within 6 months again you get fired.

Finding out about an upcoming drug test a few weeks ahead of time IS NOT RANDOM testing!!!! That's just pure BS! We have random testing at my workplace that is TRUELY random....like when you clock in, they pull you aside and say pee in this jar! Face it, you are ABUSING your position of power at your workplace to sidestep the drug testing. If the type of work you do is so damn boring that you have time to be on the Internet and other employees are out in the parking lot toking up, maybe your company should FIRE you all and hire some hard working Mexicans (who are here legally, of course).

Again your issue is with upper management and not be brother. As already stated I dont go out of my way to find out about the testing so I'm not abusing anything. If they dont want people to know then they should keep their mouths shut... Not my fault other people talk.


Well it's been real homies! I see I've made a lot of friends on here:lmao::lmao: Hearing some of your responses and pathetic insults is rather comical! I'll let you guys get the last words in... Take it easy fellas!:cheers:

Well it's been real homies! I see I've made a lot of friends on here:lmao::lmao: Hearing some of your responses and pathetic insults is rather comical! I'll let you guys get the last words in... Take it easy fellas!:cheers:

Do your self a favor, Josh. Don't take too much of what is said in the Politics forum to heart. If we let every difference of opinion or little jab get under our skin, Claude and I would have probably both stopped coming around long ago! :rolleyes: Folks here are passionate and don't sugar coat anything. I don't agree with you, but do respect your backbone.

Do your self a favor, Josh. Don't take too much of what is said in the Politics forum to heart. If we let every difference of opinion or little jab get under our skin, Claude and I would have probably both stopped coming around long ago! :rolleyes: Folks here are passionate and don't sugar coat anything. I don't agree with you, but do respect your backbone.

I appreciate that Mike. I dont take any of this to heart and can handle the critisism without taking it personal. I expected people to debate against me and my views. It doesnt hurt my feelings but it just would have been nice if the name calling were left out. Theres a line between a healthy debate and getting personal. As you can tell by my # of posts I'm more of a lurker than an avid daily poster but I wont be leaving the forum because some people dont like me or what I say.

Yeah...we're a rough and tumble bunch.....

........and you're a lazy pothead! :lmao:

Dude....that was funny....admit it.

Yeah...we're a rough and tumble bunch.....

........and you're a lazy pothead! :lmao:

Dude....that was funny....admit it.

:eek: ....:machinegun: ... :lmao::lmao:

Good stuff Mike!

I guess you missed the part where I put a question mark as in asking you if thats what I should do instead of being honest



My bad for telling the truth... I didnt realize me answering a question was boasting... next time ill just ignore it? :dunno:



How do I lie to my job or use my position? Is it my fault that other people open their mouths and I hear what they have to say? I guess next time I should just cover my ears because apparently me hearing what others say is lying and using my position to get out of tests? You make it sound like I go out of my way to find out when it's coming... naw man upper level management talks and word spreads. Sounds like your problem is with my CEO and down and not with me... Good one Ronald!:lmao:



You dont lose your job here... they pay for you to meet with couselor to help you work through your "problem" and you go on probation. If you fail within 6 months again you get fired.



Again your issue is with upper management and not be brother. As already stated I dont go out of my way to find out about the testing so I'm not abusing anything. If they dont want people to know then they should keep their mouths shut... Not my fault other people talk.


Well it's been real homies! I see I've made a lot of friends on here:lmao::lmao: Hearing some of your responses and pathetic insults is rather comical! I'll let you guys get the last words in... Take it easy fellas!:cheers:

Everyone else is to blame but you right? So people who rob stores should be let go because it isnt their fault people left money there to be stolen, right?
But I dont blame you entirely. Its all part of your generation, the "world owes me" generation. Never accept responsibility for your own actions and blame everyone else for your lack of morals and ethics. Nice way to live life Joshua!
Now I am done here. I hate posting in the political section..... makes me feel all greasy and dirty.... :lmao:

I hate posting in the political section..... makes me feel all greasy and dirty.... :lmao:

whore....hehe

Everyone else is to blame but you right...


...but I dont blame you entirely. Its all part of your generation, the "world owes me" generation. Never accept responsibility for your own actions and blame everyone else for your lack of morals and ethics....



Now what generation RAISED the "world owes me" generation????

Now what generation RAISED the "world owes me" generation????

Not me. I am only 39. :yessir:

Now what generation RAISED the "world owes me" generation????

The "I bust my ass 60 hours a week so I can give my kids everything I didn't have" generation, that's who. We should blame them. :rolleyes:

Oh, yeah....the key word here is "give".

Everyone else is to blame but you right? So people who rob stores should be let go because it isnt their fault people left money there to be stolen, right?
But I dont blame you entirely. Its all part of your generation, the "world owes me" generation. Never accept responsibility for your own actions and blame everyone else for your lack of morals and ethics. Nice way to live life Joshua!
Now I am done here. I hate posting in the political section..... makes me feel all greasy and dirty.... :lmao:

:lmao::lmao: You know nothing about me Ronald!! :nono:

:lmao::lmao: You know nothing about me Ronald!! :nono:

IDK - you've told him and this forum a lot about yourself :dunno:

IDK - you've told him and this forum a lot about yourself :dunno:

What that I smoke grass, like the Saints and keep snakes... I'm also a scorpio.. enjoy long walks on the beach and hawiian punch. I love tacos and mommas home made lasagna. I'm getting married in May... I'll make sure I send Ronny an invitation since hes my new best buddy:yes: ... Maybe he'll put our differences aside and burn one with me in celebration :)

What that I smoke grass, like the Saints and keep snakes... I'm also a scorpio.. enjoy long walks on the beach and hawiian punch. I love tacos and mommas home made lasagna. I'm getting married in May... I'll make sure I send Ronny an invitation since hes my new best buddy:yes: ... Maybe he'll put our differences aside and burn one with me in celebration :)

I'm just saying you've already told him quite a bit.... which made your previous claim inaccurate....

What that I smoke grass, like the Saints and keep snakes... I'm also a scorpio.. enjoy long walks on the beach and hawiian punch. I love tacos and mommas home made lasagna. I'm getting married in May... I'll make sure I send Ronny an invitation since hes my new best buddy:yes: ... Maybe he'll put our differences aside and burn one with me in celebration :)

Look jerk off, you want to do illegal shit you go ahead. Dont EVER even pretend I would do some stupid ass shit like that. That shit isnt funny in the least. I am trying to let this shit go but if you want to keep taking jabs at me, I can play hard ball dumb ass. Keep it up.....

I guess you missed the part where I put a question mark as in asking you if thats what I should do instead of being honest

Nope didn't miss the "?" at all.....You suggested "lying" over doing the right thing...which to me says a lot about your character :yes:

Look jerk off, you want to do illegal shit you go ahead. Dont EVER even pretend I would do some stupid ass shit like that. That shit isnt funny in the least. I am trying to let this shit go but if you want to keep taking jabs at me, I can play hard ball dumb ass. Keep it up.....

So I take that as you are declining my invitation?:mad: I was really hoping you and me could burry the hatchet but it appears as though you're not interested in my white flag. Man I really ruffled your feathers big boy and I wasn't even trying. Your pathetic insults do a very poor job in belittling me by the way. I wish they had a smiley of a guy passing a J to another smiley but I guess this will have to do:cheers::cheers:

Nope didn't miss the "?" at all.....You suggested "lying" over doing the right thing...which to me says a lot about your character :yes:

Correct I suggested lying but I choose to tell the truth regardless if ya'll were going to twist my words around to use them against me. This is a forum with a bunch of people I'll never meet in my life... I have no reason to lie to anyone on here which is why I told my side with 100% the truth. :rockon:

What that I smoke grass, like the Saints and keep snakes... I'm also a scorpio.. enjoy long walks on the beach and hawiian punch. I love tacos and mommas home made lasagna. I'm getting married in May... I'll make sure I send Ronny an invitation since hes my new best buddy:yes: ... Maybe he'll put our differences aside and burn one with me in celebration :)
Hey....how's about bringin' the fam some of that lasagna to the next White Plains show for me and the family.....ain't gonna burn one with ya, though. :rolleyes:

That shit isnt funny in the least. I am trying to let this shit go but if you want to keep taking jabs at me, I can play hard ball dumb ass. Keep it up.....
I thought it was kinda funny, Ron. :lmao: Can't picture you partaking. :rolleyes:

I don't know but this shit is FUNNY!
YouTube- Dumbass Cop Call 911 Thinking he ODed on Weed

Damn I need some of that stuff!! Had to be some real good green... Thanks for posting Chris I enjoyed the laugh

Damn I need some of that stuff!! Had to be some real good green... Thanks for posting Chris I enjoyed the laugh

Let's stay on topic.... talk of indulging in illegal activity isn't something the club supports. Please use some commonsense....

My bad sput... got caught up in the moment.

Let's stay on topic.... talk of indulging in illegal activity isn't something the club supports. Please use some commonsense....

I think this thread should die...IMHO....Ron Please ignore this from now on bro....he ain't worth your time!

legalize it!

legalize it!

Wow, didn't see that coming.....:rolleyes:

Wow, didn't see that coming.....:rolleyes:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Wow, didn't see that coming.....:rolleyes:

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Wow, didn't see that coming.....:rolleyes:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Read the newspaper today and saw an article about some illegal pot growers concerned about the possible legalization of pot in CA this Fall (it will be a question on the ballot)....they were at a meeting bitching about how much money they're going to LOSE when it becomes legal!! Are you freakin kidding me!!!! They are engaged in a ILLEGAL activity and I'd bet my house they NEVER paid any taxes on all that ILLEGAL money they were raking in! And now they have the nerve to bitch about LOSING money? Give me a freakin break! Here's the story.....



Outlaw pot growers in California fear legalization

AP – In this photo taken May 13, 2009 a grower holds a marijuana plant being grown for medical purposes inside … .By MARCUS WOHLSEN, Associated Press Writer Marcus Wohlsen, Associated Press Writer – Wed Mar 24, 8:26 pm ET

REDWAY, Calif. – The smell of pot hung heavy in the air as men with dreadlocks and gray beards contemplated a nightmarish possibility in this legendary region of outlaw marijuana growers: legal weed.

If California legalizes marijuana, they say, it will drive down the price of their crop and damage not just their livelihoods but the entire economy along the state's rugged northern coast.

"The legalization of marijuana will be the single most devastating economic event in the long boom-and-bust history of Northern California," said Anna Hamilton, 62, a Humboldt County radio host and musician who said her involvement with marijuana has mostly been limited to smoking it for the past 40 years.

Local residents are so worried that pot farmers came together with officials in Humboldt County for a standing-room-only meeting Tuesday night where civic leaders, activists and growers brainstormed ideas for dealing with the threat. Among the ideas: turning the vast pot gardens of Humboldt County into a destination for marijuana aficionados, with tours and tastings — a sort of Napa Valley of pot.

Many were also enthusiastic about promoting the Humboldt brand of pot. Some discussed forming a cooperative that would enforce high standards for marijuana and stamp the county's finest weed with an official Humboldt seal of approval.

Pot growers are nervous because a measure that could make California the first state to legalize marijuana for recreational use will appear on the ballot in November. State officials certified Wednesday that the initiative got enough signatures.

The law, if approved, could have a profound effect on Humboldt County, which has long had a reputation for growing some of the world's best weed.

In recent years, law enforcement agents have seized millions of pot plants worth billions of dollars in Humboldt and neighboring counties. And that is believed to be only a fraction of the crop.

"We've lived with the name association for 30 or 40 years and considered it an embarrassment," said Mark Lovelace, a Humboldt County supervisor. But if legalization does happen, he said, the Humboldt County name becomes the region's single most important asset.

"It's laughable at this point to try to be hush-hush about it," he said.

Humboldt County's reputation as a marijuana mecca began in the 1970s. As pot users began to notice a decline in the quality of Mexican weed, refugees from San Francisco's Summer of Love who moved to the forested mountains along California's conveniently remote North Coast began figuring out better ways to grow their own. The Humboldt name soon became a selling point for marijuana sold on street corners across the country.

These days, the small towns in this region about five hours north of San Francisco are dotted with head shops and garden supply stores.

California is one of 14 states that allow people to grow and use marijuana for medical purposes, but recreational use remains illegal. (And will remain illegal under federal law, regardless of how California votes.)

For decades, the outlaws, rebels and aging hippies of Humboldt County have been hoping for legalization. But now that it appears at hand, many clandestine growers fear it will flood the market with cheap, corporate-grown weed and destroy their way of life.

About 20 pot growers gathered on a patio outside the meeting Tuesday to discuss the dilemma posed by legalized pot. Many wore baseball caps and jeans, just like farmers anywhere else in America. No one addressed anyone else by name, a local custom driven by fear of arrest, but that didn't stop some in the group from lighting up their crop.

Many complained that legalization would put them in the same bind as other small farmers struggling to compete against large-scale agribusinesses.

A dreadlocked younger grower who said he had already been to prison for marijuana objected that no one could replicate the quality of the region's weed. When he was a kid, he said, "Humboldt nuggets — that was like the holy grail."

"Anyone can grow marijuana," he said. "But not everyone can grow the super-heavies, the holy bud."

Under the ballot measure, Californians could possess up to one ounce of marijuana for personal use. They could cultivate gardens up to 25 square feet, which is puny by Humboldt County standards. City and county governments would have the power to tax pot sales.

Some growers Tuesday fantasized about mobs of tourists in limos streaming to the county. Others were not thrilled with the idea of paying taxes on their crop.

Many agreed with the sentiment on a sticker plastered on a pizza joint's cash register: "Save Humboldt County — keep pot illegal."

they were at a meeting bitching about how much money they're going to LOSE when it becomes legal!!

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

We are in trouble of the illegal growers can get together and hold meetings about it...next they will have lobbyists :lmao:

I see you still havent responded to the fact you are supporting terrorism and other illegal activites and crimes every time you go out and by weed


Are you shitting me? What FACT is there? Buying drugs (other than opium based) = supporting terrorism? Islamic fundamentalists are against any form of narcotic. The Taliban burned all the poppy fields when they took over from the regional warlords that ruled Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal. But that's a whole other seminar.

Well if you drink Guinness or Baileys; I reckon you're supporting the IRA because it's all so closely related. Way more so than Jihad and cannabis.
By this logic sipping liquor from a mason jar means you are funding the KKK.

This logic is flawed and though I often lurk and silently agree at times; this just had to be called out.
Buying cannabis supports terrorism.......I call bullshit.

In regards to the alcohol versus marijuana.
For one, I have never seen someone get in a fight, become aggressive or assault man, woman or child on cannabis. No one can say the same for alcohol. Many a family fall apart due to drinking.
Secondly, when alcohol was prohibited in the early 1900s the country was torn. If not for prohibition; men such as AL Capone would not have had the power they attained. If pot smokers were as aggressive and violent as those men were, prohibition may have been revoked for them. Then again that stuff takes the fire out of you, so there goes the aggression and violence. On the other hand, if those gangsters didn't raise hell, the local bar would still be a "speak-easy". Beastie Boys were right, you do have to fight to party.
Third, you hear it all the time. "My father/grandfather/uncle/aunt/2nd cousin twice removed/whatever was an alcoholic." This is usually followed with a "why I am what I am " or "where I get it from". It's a poor excuse (not a reason, an excuse) to explain one's actions and behavior. You never hear
"my dad smoked a lot of pot, so I have this addiction gene" or "that's why I'm so lazy" crap.
Why is that? Yeah sure humans have been consuming alcohol for hundreds of years. Is that why it's "genetic" and socially acceptable? Or is it deeper than that.
Maybe the "potheads supports terrorists" guys can answer that for me since they are all knowing and the foundation of moral ethics. They can also spell check for me seeing as they hold doctrines in superior grammar and proper literation.
Because anyone who smokes are dumb, dirty, hippy, terrorist supporters who are too lazy and unmotivated to use correct grammar and proper English with their pants on the ground.

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This logic is flawed and though I often lurk and silently agree at times; this just had to be called out.
Buying cannabis supports terrorism.......I call bullshit.

What are the Mexican Drug Cartels? Are they a sunday social group? They are terrorists at their best doing horrific things in Mexico AND the southern US. They have been connected to the pot distribution ALL OVER the US. If you think your pot is being grown locally by some dude in his closet you are naive at best.



Third, you hear it all the time. "My father/grandfather/uncle/aunt/2nd cousin twice removed/whatever was an alcoholic." This is usually followed with a "why I am what I am " or "where I get it from". It's a poor excuse (not a reason, an excuse) to explain one's actions and behavior. You never hear
"my dad smoked a lot of pot, so I have this addiction gene" or "that's why I'm so lazy" crap.
Why is that? Yeah sure humans have been consuming alcohol for hundreds of years. Is that why it's "genetic" and socially acceptable? Or is it deeper than that.
Maybe the "potheads supports terrorists" guys can answer that for me since they are all knowing and the foundation of moral ethics.



Because smoking pot is illegal, parents don't tell their kids about their ILLEGAL addiction as easily as they do about legal ones. But it really doesn't matter, they are the same thing and suffer from the same ailment, Addictive Personalities. They just find different drugs to express it on. But what many fail to mention is the ones that are addicted to pot smoking etc are usually associated to other drugs also. Not always but a majority of the time. :yes:

Those Cartels primary sources are cocaine and human trafficking. On top of that Cartels of the such are not terrorist. They are organized crime, but solely for their own benefit. There is no "cause" with those types. Only profits are the concern, no agenda other than money. Terrorists groups have beliefs wether political or religious. Take money out of the equation and the cartels are a moot point. Money is their motivation. The religious, political and eco-terrorism will continue regardless of monetary dependency or lack of. Doesn't matter if you send boatloads of cash or bankrupt them, the true terrorist will keep fighting. You take that dollar out the equation and you'll see everything south of the border fade. Poverty is why they are in the business. The Pablo Escabar story; learn of him and you will see how far apart terrorists and cartels really are. He came from nothing in Media to ....well, y'know.
Kids aren't as dumb as you think. By the teen years, they can figure what's up on their own. I grew up with people whose parents smoked. They knew before dad/mom said something. In this time its is more socially acceptable than say 20 years ago. In theory more parents would be inclined to discuss things like this. I'll take the drug talk over the sex talk with my boy and girl anyday. But that's just me.
Also, these "it's in my blood" excuses are used by 30+ adults and their defense attorneys. Not kids. By 30, you pretty much know what your parents were about. So I still cannot justify or appreciate the "because it's illegal" reason or because of the kid's age.
So you're saying, if alcohol was illegal... that "my family member was an alcoholic" excuse for not being responsible adults would not exists? Just want to be clear on where you are coming at me from.
Good comeback though, I'll give you that.

And local has been produced in the hills of Kentucky outdoors for a very long time. The moonshiners shifted to marijuana cultivation when revenue agents got meaner. So a good bit of what is in the southeast and some mid-west is grown in your good friend's home state. I'm sure he's heard stories and of places in them hills that you just don't go.

I see you still havent responded to the fact you are supporting terrorism and other illegal activites and crimes every time you go out and by weed


Are you shitting me? What FACT is there? Buying drugs (other than opium based) = supporting terrorism? Islamic fundamentalists are against any form of narcotic. The Taliban burned all the poppy fields when they took over from the regional warlords that ruled Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal. But that's a whole other seminar.


Read this if you think there is no terrosim connected to pot.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/03/31/2010-03-31_afghanistan_now_worlds_top_marijuana_supplier.html

[QUOTE]I see you still havent responded to the fact you are supporting terrorism and other illegal activites and crimes every time you go out and by weed/QUOTE]


Are you shitting me? What FACT is there? Buying drugs (other than opium based) = supporting terrorism? Islamic fundamentalists are against any form of narcotic. The Taliban burned all the poppy fields when they took over from the regional warlords that ruled Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal. But that's a whole other seminar.

Well if you drink Guinness or Baileys; I reckon you're supporting the IRA because it's all so closely related. Way more so than Jihad and cannabis.
By this logic sipping liquor from a mason jar means you are funding the KKK.

This logic is flawed and though I often lurk and silently agree at times; this just had to be called out.
Buying cannabis supports terrorism.......I call bullshit.

In regards to the alcohol versus marijuana.
For one, I have never seen someone get in a fight, become aggressive or assault man, woman or child on cannabis. No one can say the same for alcohol. Many a family fall apart due to drinking.
Secondly, when alcohol was prohibited in the early 1900s the country was torn. If not for prohibition; men such as AL Capone would not have had the power they attained. If pot smokers were as aggressive and violent as those men were, prohibition may have been revoked for them. Then again that stuff takes the fire out of you, so there goes the aggression and violence. On the other hand, if those gangsters didn't raise hell, the local bar would still be a "speak-easy". Beastie Boys were right, you do have to fight to party.
Third, you hear it all the time. "My father/grandfather/uncle/aunt/2nd cousin twice removed/whatever was an alcoholic." This is usually followed with a "why I am what I am " or "where I get it from". It's a poor excuse (not a reason, an excuse) to explain one's actions and behavior. You never hear
"my dad smoked a lot of pot, so I have this addiction gene" or "that's why I'm so lazy" crap.
Why is that? Yeah sure humans have been consuming alcohol for hundreds of years. Is that why it's "genetic" and socially acceptable? Or is it deeper than that.
Maybe the "potheads supports terrorists" guys can answer that for me since they are all knowing and the foundation of moral ethics. They can also spell check for me seeing as they hold doctrines in superior grammar and proper literation.
Because anyone who smokes are dumb, dirty, hippy, terrorist supporters who are too lazy and unmotivated to use correct grammar and proper English with their pants on the ground.

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You are a dumb one aren't ya? You come on here and say a few big words and act like you are better than everybody else. Screw you. I have been to Afghanistan jerk off and laid these peepers on the acres and acres of marijuana growing over there. Ever heard of Hash superfly? How about heroin? Yep, found hundreds of pounds of that shit over there too.
Before you go opening you idiotic mouth again, get YOUR facts straight. Ask a vet who has seen it with their own eyes. :yes:

Why all the hating on weed? Weed helps people cope with the stress of everyday life. If legal I be staying stoned 24/7.

actually i be doing it day and morrow.

Why all the hating on weed? Weed helps people cope with the stress of everyday life. If legal I be staying stoned 24/7.

actually i be doing it day and morrow.

Same thing, ain't it? :nono:

not realy as best to be in one home. what he dos there is his home. legal it!!!!

not realy as best to be in one home. what he dos there is his home. legal it!!!!

What? :lol:

What? :lol:

shhhhhh it's getting good and he can post pictures now :lmao:

not realy as best to be in one home. what he dos there is his home. legal it!!!!

Case closed....:lmao:

you sure r a :ahole:

you sure r a :ahole:

Who is?

I know I'm an asshole, I know JChandler is an asshole and I know Larry is an asshole.... I just don't know which asshole you are calling an asshole.... dear God that wasn't easy.... :cool:

Who is?

I know I'm an asshole, I know JChandler is an asshole and I know Larry is an asshole.... I just don't know which asshole you are calling an asshole.... dear God that wasn't easy.... :cool:

:lmao:

yo daddy!

yo daddy!

See ya when you sign up for your try.... :cheers:


Matt Tipton again....