View Full Version : Hawaii Considers Law to Ignore Obama 'Birthers'


JOHNS6068
03-17-2010, 09:40 PM
Mark Niesse
AP
HONOLULU (March 17) -- Birthers beware: Hawaii may start ignoring your repeated requests for proof that President Barack Obama was born here.

As the state continues to receive e-mails seeking Obama's birth certificate, the state House Judiciary Committee heard a bill Tuesday permitting government officials to ignore people who won't give up.
Hawaii considering law to ignore Obama birthers
Mike Cardew, Akron Beacon Journal / MCT
Still receiving e-mails from "birthers" asking to see President Barack Obama's birth certificate, Hawaii is considering a law that would allow officials to ignore them.

"Sometimes we may be dealing with a cohort of people who believe lack of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy," said Lorrin Kim, chief of the Hawaii Department of Health's Office of Planning, Policy and Program Development.

So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because, they argue, he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.

Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued statements last year and in October 2008 saying that she's seen vital records that prove Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

But the state still gets between 10 and 20 e-mails seeking verification of Obama's birth each week, most of them from outside Hawaii, Kim said Tuesday.

A few of these requesters continue to pepper the Health Department with the same letters seeking the same information, even after they're told state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Responding wastes time and money, Kim said.

Both Fukino and the state registrar of vital statistics have verified that the Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

The issue coincides with Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.

"Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?" asked Rep. Cynthia Thielen, R-Kaneohe-Kailua. "When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, 'We're now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'"

Nobody at the hearing questioned the fact that the president was born in Hawaii.

Attorney Peter Fritz asked why the state would pass a law punishing repetitive requests for open records. Instead, the state could simply say it would only answer each person's question once.

If the measure passed, the state Office of Information Practices could declare an individual a "vexatious requester" and restrict rights to government records for two years.

The committee will schedule a vote on the measure, said Chairman Jon Riki Karamatsu, D-Waipahu-Waikele.

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Buckskin
03-17-2010, 10:49 PM
They are probably the same people who don't believe we really walked on the moon.

FRoberts
03-17-2010, 11:11 PM
I'm sure the opposition looked into his birthrights when running against him....

Mrs. Sputnik
03-17-2010, 11:14 PM
Just show the real one and people will stop asking for it

JOHNS6068
03-17-2010, 11:49 PM
They are probably the same people who don't believe we really walked on the moon.

I'm sure the opposition looked into his birthrights when running against him....

I think you guys are missing the bigger picture here :cheers:

Sputnik
03-17-2010, 11:52 PM
I think you guys are missing the bigger picture here :cheers:

It does set a precedent for just ignoring people's inquiries on stuff....

JOHNS6068
03-17-2010, 11:58 PM
It does set a precedent for just ignoring people's inquiries on stuff....

:yessir:

Sputnik
03-17-2010, 11:59 PM
I forgot to add, don't governments do this anyway? :lol:

JOHNS6068
03-18-2010, 12:04 AM
I forgot to add, don't governments do this anyway? :lol:

Yup..they have just been getting folks use to it....and now they just need to finalize it with some ink so it seems...then when you go to question them next time...they'll just refer to you as a crazy person and no more government records for you :eek:

FRoberts
03-18-2010, 08:50 AM
It does set a precedent for just ignoring people's inquiries on stuff....

gottcha didn't think of that.....

xanaxez
03-18-2010, 11:15 AM
When you're shown as being born in 2 different hospitals at the same time in the same place.. i think thats enough evidence that they are liars and do not have the original birth certificate.

MikeCurtin
03-18-2010, 04:58 PM
Good....freakin' good!!!! I make no secret about my opposition to just about every political philosophy this guy hold dear, but these "birthers" are moronic. First of all, if there was any truth to the conspiracy theory, does anyone out there really think the Clinton political machine would not have uncovered it?? Anyone?????

As far as I'm concerned, this "argument", if one can even call it that, detracts from any substantive policy debate that should be taking place right now.

FRoberts
03-18-2010, 05:02 PM
Good....freakin' good!!!! I make no secret about my opposition to just about every political philosophy this guy hold dear, but these "birthers" are moronic. First of all, if there was any truth to the conspiracy theory, does anyone out there really think the Clinton political machine would not have uncovered it?? Anyone?????

As far as I'm concerned, this "argument", if one can even call it that, detracts from any substantive policy debate that should be taking place right now.

Mike I said the same although I was more concise, if you read some of the responces you will see there is more to it the just that.....

MikeCurtin
03-18-2010, 07:16 PM
I understand that, but I also understand that nuisance inquiries can tie up resources and cost taxpayer money. If this is being done on a state level, they can do it. I guess the heart of the problem is that we all know government is not likely to act reasonably in the application of this legislation.

FRoberts
03-18-2010, 07:18 PM
I guess the heart of the problem is that we all know government is not likely to act reasonably in the application of this legislation.

Exactly...I know the Clinton people made sure he was legit....but gov. will use this as a precedent to cover up whatever the hell they want....cause there ain't any cover ups in our government...everything's on the table...:lmao:

JOHNS6068
03-18-2010, 07:54 PM
I understand that, but I also understand that nuisance inquiries can tie up resources and cost taxpayer money. If this is being done on a state level, they can do it. I guess the heart of the problem is that we all know government is not likely to act reasonably in the application of this legislation.

Yeah but who gets to decide where the line is drawn on nuisance inquiries and just regular inquiries?...I think that's a very slippery slope......who's to say once they pass a bill like this that they don't claim 500,000 or so different individual inquiries as nuisance inquiries then? I completely understand now if it's one person who's making 5,000 inquiries on the same thing and how that is wasting tax payers money....but each of us has just as much right as the next to ask questions about our government and hows it's operating...even if it is the same question....The fools(government) should be seeing flashing warning lights....if different people keep asking questions on something....no what do they want to do? Take away your right and just refer to your question as a nuisance to them....and can ya from asking any questions for the next 2 years....Fact is our government never has liked us looking over them....and this is just their way of getting the door closed on us just a little bit more so we can't have a say on anything they do...

MikeCurtin
03-18-2010, 09:34 PM
Hmm...yeah. That's true. It's unfortunate that this is something that can only work with proper oversight....and who's going to provide the oversight?