You might as well all get used to it. Al Franken is going to be the next Senator from Minnesota. It's a forgone conclusion. You see there are a couple things that must be considered.

1. Democrats are cheaters. That's a fact. Republicans don't commit voter fraud. They just don't. They are busy working and or trying to legitimately change minds. Democrats don't care how they win. A win is a win. Period. In every instance of voter fraud that I can think of, it was always voter fraud that was helping to get the Democrat elected. Every one. Dead people in Chicago voting... for Democrats. You see in the Democrats mind, the end justifies the means. Oh go ahead and get all bent out of shape you few Democrats who don't think that, because the VAST majority of you people do beleive just that. It's just too important to be concerned about honesty. Really. Think about it.

2. Do you know the last count I heard, Franken is behind only 120 votes. Do you realize what that means? There are 4130 precincts in the state of Minnesota. That means of the thousands of thousands of people that are helping in the recount, certainly more than half of them are Democrats. Remember the Republicans are working. They have jobs. In the 4130 precincts, with thousands of Democrats counting, the liberal cause only needs to gain one vote in one of 35 precincts to win! Do you have any idea how impossible it is going to be to keep thousands of Democrats in thousands of precincts honest enough to not just make one little "mistake" in the Franken direction in one of only 35 precincts?

3. I forget the number exactly, but when it was announced that there would be a recount, and that the election was as close as it was, the election "volunteers" "found" about 120 more votes and every single one of them was for Franken! Shocking!

Get over it America. We are about to have a total absolute openly American hating, ***** writing, slander spewing, hypocritical socialist/commie as the new Senator from the idiotic citizens of the State of Minnesota! Get used to it!

You know what? Thats a damn shame. That whole state needs a major voter fraud investigation.

Senator Al Franken?? Say it isn't so but I do agree he will win. Theres not a doubt in mind. All it takes is one more truck load of votes. Very soon our heritage is all we'll have left, once we are the next red light district there isn't no coming back.

I just wish I could have raised my kids back in the 1800's

i think both parties cheat and thats what i think
back in the 1800s i could vote 10 times if i could cut my hair 10 different ways the whole system is f#@$ed

i think both parties cheat and thats what i think
back in the 1800s i could vote 10 times if i could cut my hair 10 different ways the whole system is f#@$ed

Prove it. Give me one instance of Republican Voter Fraud.

Prove it. Give me one instance of Republican Voter Fraud.

i am a registered republican and i think al gore won
florida thats all i have to say that was the biggest cheating i every saw

people get all upset when the one they want to win dont

Anyone who actually believes AlGore won in Florida cannot be reasoned with. Numbers do not lie.

But, let me ask you a question, registered "Republican". Since you believe that ALGore actually won Florida, contrary to the black and white facts, then did you support the AlGore lawyers who did everything in their power to try to disallow the votes of those brave souls who serve our great country and voted by absentee ballot? Did you support that despicable, action?

By the way, don't let the facts get too much in the way of your beliefs, but Bush won Florida by 537 votes. Fact.

God forbid.
but i got a bad feelin' you're right.
ck

I still have faith and hope that norm will remain senator of MN

Get over it America. We are about to have a total absolute openly American hating, ***** writing, slander spewing, hypocritical socialist/commie as the new Senator from the idiotic citizens of the State of Minnesota! Get used to it!

Well, he'll fit right in with the man in the big house. BTW look up "Black liberation theology" sometime, which is a document that both Obama and Franken have signed their names to.

Anyone who actually believes AlGore won in Florida cannot be reasoned with. Numbers do not lie.

But, let me ask you a question, registered "Republican". Since you believe that ALGore actually won Florida, contrary to the black and white facts, then did you support the AlGore lawyers who did everything in their power to try to disallow the votes of those brave souls who serve our great country and voted by absentee ballot? Did you support that despicable, action?

By the way, don't let the facts get too much in the way of your beliefs, but Bush won Florida by 537 votes. Fact.

i do not and did not support al gore or his lawyers
but i do think there was cheating going on
what i am saying is both sides cheat all the time and some people form the losing side gets upset
but your boas do rock :rockon:

Prove it. Give me one instance of Republican Voter Fraud.

sorry man i am actually a republican but as Jeff can attest I like to play devils advocate on some topics especially when you put up a challenge.

here is an example right here

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story

however to be fair and not to get you too wound up also found this for you as well

it was stating reports on how demcrats were more involved in voter fraud during 2004

http://www.crosswalk.com/1343648/

what i found funny is it is on a religous website...why funny because when people argue both politics and relgion people will not listen to or belive the other person in the arguement no matter what. and they combined the two there anyways I thought it funny.

you know alls i said is both side cheat and thats true i am a republican i voted for Mcain

sorry man i am actually a republican but as Jeff can attest I like to play devils advocate on some topics especially when you put up a challenge.

here is an example right here

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story

however to be fair and not to get you too wound up also found this for you as well

it was stating reports on how demcrats were more involved in voter fraud during 2004

http://www.crosswalk.com/1343648/

what i found funny is it is on a religous website...why funny because when people argue both politics and relgion people will not listen to or belive the other person in the arguement no matter what. and they combined the two there anyways I thought it funny.

That wasn't voter fraud. That was a fellow who fraudulently registered non-existent names to defraud $$money$$ from the GOP. HUGE difference between theft of money for services not really rendered and voter fraud. I still stand by my original statement. Democrats cheat. Republicans do not, and have not been involved in voter fraud. The fact is, Democrats absolutely depend on voter fraud to win elections, so wide spread is their cheating.

As for "Black Liberation Theology"; That's not Theology at all. It is a black militant foundational belief held by many who are bent on utterly removing the evil white man from power by whatever means. I said by WHATEVER MEANS! You can be a Muslim and beleive in "Black Liberation Theology". You can call yourself a Christian and beleive in "Black Liberation Theology". You can be an atheist and still believe in "Black Liberation Theology". Did you ever wonder why Rev. Wright could get along with the Muslim Louis Farrakhan? Because they both believe in the removal of the white man from power by WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY! They are the exact equivalent of the KKK only reverse the races. Just like the KKK, they don't have any use for the Jews either.

It's sad that Franken will end up stealing this election. I hope you people in Georgia are paying attention. It's all up to you folks now.

Jeff, while it MAY be true that Republicans don't initiate or instigate voter fraud these days, it was not always so. There aren't any Republican political machines left in any of the large cities, they've all been driven out and replaced by the democratic political machines. I don't have the time to dig up references, but if you think that there isn't ONE incident of Republican voter fraud, you're extremely naive. People are what they are: people. And people will cheat. While it is definitely ALOT more prevelant on the democratic side, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist on the right at all. Of course it would have to be more prevalent on the democratic side, considering this is a center right nation, the left needs all the help they can get to put themselves into office. They do seem to have the mentality that the ends justify the means, where the Republicans seem to more strongly believe in the process. Of course, that doesn't mean that there are no corrupt members of the GOP, as we all know there are. The GOP is held to a much higher standard than the DNC, since we all know, it's different when you're a democrat.

It's sad that Franken will end up stealing this election. I hope you people in Georgia are paying attention. It's all up to you folks now.

Jeff, while it MAY be true that Republicans don't initiate or instigate voter fraud these days, it was not always so. There aren't any Republican political machines left in any of the large cities, they've all been driven out and replaced by the democratic political machines. I don't have the time to dig up references, but if you think that there isn't ONE incident of Republican voter fraud, you're extremely naive. People are what they are: people. And people will cheat. While it is definitely ALOT more prevelant on the democratic side, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist on the right at all. Of course it would have to be more prevalent on the democratic side, considering this is a center right nation, the left needs all the help they can get to put themselves into office. They do seem to have the mentality that the ends justify the means, where the Republicans seem to more strongly believe in the process. Of course, that doesn't mean that there are no corrupt members of the GOP, as we all know there are. The GOP is held to a much higher standard than the DNC, since we all know, it's different when you're a democrat.

I know your right. I just LOVE to goad the Democrats! Plus, the only recent instances of voter fraud have been Democrats that I have read about. The greater danger is that liberals are willing to, and WILL be willing to do a LOT more to get what they want. A LOT! I give just one example:

Freedom of speech; Republicans, Conservatives and Libertarians would never ever try to limit freedom of speech. Freedom of that catch all for all sort of perversion, "freedom of expression" yes. Freedom of legitimate speech no. Liberals? They are absolutely anti freedom of speech. At least the more extreme individuals are. Nancy Pelosi is one of them and they will seek to stop free speech.

http://edgruberman.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/nancy_pelosi.jpg

They are actually not against freedom of speech, just conservative speech. That's what they can't stand. If and when they get their way, they will seek to shut up those they disagree with.

My god. Is that an unaltered picture of her? I always thought she looked scary, but damn.

Yes, the democrats seem much more willing to do whatever they need to to further their agenda. They cry about freedom and choice, but what they are really after is to dictate their choice.

Most conservatives wouldn't ever consider limiting free speech, which is one of the reasons that I seriously considered throwing my vote away to Paul or Barr. I will never forgive him for McCain-Feingold. While we don't really have a right to expression and obsenity / pornography has never really been protected under the first amendment, it would be nice if we could limit our limitations on such things. The Supreme Court has ruled all sorts of opposing ways on the issue of expression being speech, and it still a bit confusing on what is or isn't truly legal, I'd like to see any form of communication be as free as possible while still protecting peoples ability to avoid such expression if they so choose. Anyways, I hope that we fight and win any kinds of limits they put on conservative speech. I'm sure the liberals will attack it from several different directions. Of course, the Fairness Doctrine, but some others have spoken of "localism" or "Hate Speek" as well. Sounds like something straight out of 1984. Instead of getting the point of Orwell's books, it seems liberals have just been getting more ideas.

It's sad that Franken will end up stealing this election. I hope you people in Georgia are paying attention. It's all up to you folks now.



Trust me - as a Republican and a firm supporter of the Fair Tax - I'll be casting my vote for Saxby Chambliss on Tuesday, December 2nd.

Whats wrong with writing ****????

@ The Boafile.

Now that is one scary ass MOFO!!!!!!
You guys are crazy!!! Our politions are dumb as stumps, ugly as hell and crooked like and old hoola-hoop...but i still take one of these blubering bafoons over that....
Thanks man, you just oficially freaked out the Beast...

As of today, November 26th, yesterdays count stands at Norm Colman leading by 238 votes with 81% of the votes counted. Norm's lead was below 150 at one time, so he is making up ground for a change. But then, for Franken, and his supporters, to make up this small amount should be pretty easy. If not, then it's to court and every possible way to deny some votes will occur. Franken will never ever, even if somehow the court is unable to spin to a Franken victory, though the court will no doubt will do everything in it's power to do so, no way on this planet that Franken will be a gracious looser. That is not possible. LOOSER - yes. Gracious - never.

Remember how the Democratic lawyers tried to disallow votes from military personnel in Florida? REMEMBER you Democrats?! Who among us proves their love for their country more than those who serve, and have served, in the greatest Military the world has ever known!? And of course those folks vote against the Democrats something like 85% of the time because they know that the powers that be on that side, "Loath the Military", as our last Democratic President wrote.

@ The Boafile.

Now that is one scary ass MOFO!!!!!!
You guys are crazy!!! Our politions are dumb as stumps, ugly as hell and crooked like and old hoola-hoop...but i still take one of these blubering bafoons over that....
Thanks man, you just oficially freaked out the Beast...

Hideous? Why yes she is. But not only on the outside, but on the inside as well. She hates everything America stands for and is busy trying to turn over anything and everything that is right.

Hideous? Why yes she is. But not only on the outside, but on the inside as well. She hates everything America stands for and is busy trying to turn over anything and everything that is right.

I will never understand how that woman became speaker. I mean, the fact that her district is SF should disallow her from speakership to begin with. Not that I have anything against SF, just the majority of the nutjobs that live there. Anyways.. yeah, I heard that Norm is ahead. I hope, somehow, the the dems screw up their election fraud and either expose themselves for the cheats they are and end up in prison or at the very least make a fool of themselves. Not like that's too difficult for Franken anyways.

Back to Pelosi for a sec... It really does show the values that the "new" democratic party holds, to have such an outspoken nutjob selected as the speaker of the house. It really shows just how radical the left has come from the days of JFK. Of course there were a few radical progressives in office before now, like W. Wilson for example, but I think the majority of democrats from 40 or more years ago wouldn't even recognize their party today. In fact, the majority of them would be black-listed if they had expressed these types of views 50 years ago. I don't know when socialism became an acceptable political view in american society with what we went through during the cold war, but it's frightening how many people really think that we would be better off as a socialist nation, especially the numbers of elected officials who feel that way.

^^ With ya on that one Lucid!

If you follow historical politics at all the democratic party 100 to 150 years ago were the moderates who believed in smaller government, more voting power to the people and other such precepts now generally considered "Republican". Me personally I really hate being grouped into a single party. I'm a registered republican but that's only because I didn't want to get freakin bombarded with BS mailings by registering as an independent lol.

I'm more of a "small c conservative" Libertarian. I believe that government should exist only to provide the services that people cannot provide for themselves. Education, Public Safety and the Military. Most people see it as an un-realistic viewpoint because we have become so damn dependent on our government to provide EVERYTHING. People who have leached off of the system for their entire lives have little bastards now who are just continuing the cycle. But that's another thread entirely.

^^ With ya on that one Lucid!

If you follow historical politics at all the democratic party 100 to 150 years ago were the moderates who believed in smaller government, more voting power to the people and other such precepts now generally considered "Republican". Me personally I really hate being grouped into a single party. I'm a registered republican but that's only because I didn't want to get freakin bombarded with BS mailings by registering as an independent lol.

I'm more of a "small c conservative" Libertarian. I believe that government should exist only to provide the services that people cannot provide for themselves. Education, Public Safety and the Military. Most people see it as an un-realistic viewpoint because we have become so damn dependent on our government to provide EVERYTHING. People who have leached off of the system for their entire lives have little bastards now who are just continuing the cycle. But that's another thread entirely.

I understand, completely. I am a fiscal conservative and in most cases, socially liberal. I am by all accounts a libertarian. That doesn't mean I agree with the libertarians on 100% of the issues, but probably 90+%.

I agree wholeheartedly that the government should provide for defense and the safety of the citizens. Really, I think that we should have as small of a federal government as possible, and leave the majority of things to the state and local municipalities, as the constitution prescribes. One thing I think government has NO business in is education, though. Our education system may very well be the downfall of the country. We are encouraging mediocrity, through PC crap that is spewn out of government and liberals and the unions that try to instill the idea that people should be compensated the same, merit not withstanding.

It's true, that it will likely require a DRASTIC situation for people to give up their hope that the government will provide for their every need. I really hope that that day never comes and that we can start to return to a more self sufficient mindset, where people return to a sense of personal responsibility. It seems to me that alot of the government that has been created is a direct response to people not being responsible for themselves.. In my opinion, most democrats and republicans have been going in the wrong direction for far too long. We've got republicans creating laws and enforcement agencies that are an afront to liberty, and we have democrats trying to dictate people's lives since we are too stupid to make our own decisions in their minds. We've also got both republicans and democrats going down this path of experimentation with socialism.. Who would have ever thought that we'd have a republican president encourage the government take over of our banks? I mean, it's just craziness going on these days. Crap.. I forgot where I was going with this.. never mind.. I'm not even going to try to figure it out, if you managed to get something out of my ramblings, then that's great.

I will never understand how that woman became speaker. I mean, the fact that her district is SF should disallow her from speakership to begin with. Not that I have anything against SF, just the majority of the nutjobs that live there. Anyways.. yeah, I heard that Norm is ahead. I hope, somehow, the the dems screw up their election fraud and either expose themselves for the cheats they are and end up in prison or at the very least make a fool of themselves. Not like that's too difficult for Franken anyways.

Back to Pelosi for a sec... It really does show the values that the "new" democratic party holds, to have such an outspoken nutjob selected as the speaker of the house. It really shows just how radical the left has come from the days of JFK. Of course there were a few radical progressives in office before now, like W. Wilson for example, but I think the majority of democrats from 40 or more years ago wouldn't even recognize their party today. In fact, the majority of them would be black-listed if they had expressed these types of views 50 years ago. I don't know when socialism became an acceptable political view in american society with what we went through during the cold war, but it's frightening how many people really think that we would be better off as a socialist nation, especially the numbers of elected officials who feel that way.

This is what happened. JFK was a Democrat. The kind I wish Democrats still were. Somewhere along the line, Democrats have become socialist. Now what makes this really bad is that the Republicans have become Democrats. Now I am not sure if the Democrats pulled the Republicans into becoming Democrats or if the Republicans pushed the Democrats into becoming Socialists. But the Republicans, since they really pushed against the American people, away from freedom, starting while under Clinton, are the ones I really blame the most. The Republicans could have remained Republicans and the Democrats could have gone over the deep end as they have done toward socialism. This would make the difference far more distinct than I am afraid that it is today. Then McCain never would have won the nomination and maybe we could get a legit conservative like Alan Keys. What about Bush? Bush has been the best friend of the liberals making them look more mainstream than ever. That's what I think.

Hey! I saw this little video of Franken that I thought was hilarious! He pokes a little fun at Rush Limbaugh but, you have to listen all the way to the last second, but it is funny! Conservatives can laugh at ourselves right?

Hey! I saw this little video of Franken that I thought was hilarious! He pokes a little fun at Rush Limbaugh but, you have to listen all the way to the last second, but it is funny! Conservatives can laugh at ourselves right?

Was there supposed to be a link? Lol, I love to laugh at conservatives, it's usually more fun than laughing at liberals since most of the times liberals scare the living crap out of me when they open their mouths :D.

And yeah I do hear ya on the education thing lucid. I was homeschooled all the way through High School. Now I don't consider myself to be an exceptionally smart person but I know that I did learn so much more than a lot of my peers. It was funny, I had to take an equivilency test when I was applying to college at NEtech and they were just shocked at how well I did, apparently top 1% in vocab/grammar and top 6% in math, then they asked me when I was graduating high school and I told them I graduated 6 years ago! You should have seen their jaws hit the floor lol. I really do attribute that to a stellar education which I would never have had the opportunity to get in a public school.

I forgot the link!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOtyigg5BZw

Where's the video? N/M I'm a bit late to the party..

You're right, the republicans have become democrats, and the democrats socialists.. I'm still curious as to what point in the scheme of things that it really started to turn in the direction of socialism becoming a morally acceptable view point, though. I guess that the one thing that the KGB and the Soviets really did accomplish was to keep feeding us bits and bits of socialism until it became what alot of people wanted. It's frightening to think that we really may have lost the Cold War, even though the USSR was brought to a financial collapse, considering that the values of socialism have taken root right here in one of our major political parties.

I'm curious as to what actions the republican congress took under Clinton that you think were far too liberal. Apparently I don't know as much as I thought I did about that period after a bit of research.

I forgot the link!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOtyigg5BZw

That was hilarious. Did you happen to watch any of the other media matters videos? I don't know how these people managed to get a 501c3. I took a look at their website, since I had never felt the urge to defile myself in such a way.. God is it scary. Their description says it all:

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

I had heard of them before, but never truly took the time to really appreciate the depth of their callousness. Truly remarkable.

I forgot the link!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOtyigg5BZw

Ops. Double post and it won't let me just delete it. Oh well...

On the one hand, we have Mr Franken's behaviour, and on the other hand half the voters in Minn. voted for him. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I dont know who Al Franken is but I do know hes the cousin of my favorite morning sports radio speaker, Sid Rosenberg. Over at 790 The Ticket:rockon:

Looks like ol' Al is going to cry a little but he won't be a senator..:wamma:

Looks like ol' Al is going to cry a little but he won't be a senator..:wamma:

see all of this for nothing he didnt cheat i am glad he didnt win :yessir:

It isn't over yet. Al has all his legal avenues to take now. Plus there are 5000 or so contested ballots that can each be battled over in court. Al is far from done. This will not be settled for a couple months.

Did you hear the other news? In fact, what a surprise? 130 ballots are missing...

Missing Ballots (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/04/minnesota.recount/index.html)

Why are they missing you ask? The answer is obvious. A foot soldier in the battle to make all of us slaves to the government ie. a democratic operative, obviously sorted out 130 votes that were for Colman, to help push Al the hater of America, toward victory.

It isn't over yet. Al has all his legal avenues to take now. Plus there are 5000 or so contested ballots that can each be battled over in court. Al is far from done. This will not be settled for a couple months.

Did you hear the other news? In fact, what a surprise? 130 ballots are missing...

Missing Ballots (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/04/minnesota.recount/index.html)

Why are they missing you ask? The answer is obvious. A foot soldier in the battle to make all of us slaves to the government ie. a democratic operative, obviously sorted out 130 votes that were for Colman, to help push Al the hater of America, toward victory.

Yep, seems like it is far from over. This will most likely be sorted out in the courts or the senate. And if Harry Reid gets his dirty little hands on it, we know which way it will go.

On another note: I heard that the supreme court is actually thinking of taking up the Obama citizenship issue. That there will possibly be a writ to stop the electoral congress from convening on dec 15th. Not that I have any hope that Obama will not actually become our president-elect, and eventual president, but it is nice that they are considering the motion.

It isn't over yet. Al has all his legal avenues to take now. Plus there are 5000 or so contested ballots that can each be battled over in court. Al is far from done. This will not be settled for a couple months.

Did you hear the other news? In fact, what a surprise? 130 ballots are missing...

Missing Ballots (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/04/minnesota.recount/index.html)

Why are they missing you ask? The answer is obvious. A foot soldier in the battle to make all of us slaves to the government ie. a democratic operative, obviously sorted out 130 votes that were for Colman, to help push Al the hater of America, toward victory.


Seems that is not all that is missing in Minn. Dozens of Somalies have gone missing, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461865,00.html

One wonders how is it that Minn is home to numbers of Somalies; the question beggs, how did Minn get to be so liberal that near half the voters vote for Franken and thus cause a tight race.

I told you people. Get ready because here he comes! Senator Al Franken!
An article detailing how the liberals, who are the canvasing board in Minnesota, is blatantly and deliberately cheating to make Franken a US Senator;

Click for link: (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470892,00.html)

Cheat one here, one there and before you know it! Senator Franken!

Remember, the end justifies the means.

I told you people. Get ready because here he comes! Senator Al Franken!
An article detailing how the liberals, who are the canvasing board in Minnesota, is blatantly and deliberately cheating to make Franken a US Senator;

Click for link: (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470892,00.html)

Cheat one here, one there and before you know it! Senator Franken!

Remember, the end justifies the means.

Thats pretty depressing..:(

That would be depressing if it is true. We have to have people watching this. My problem with this is it's an opinion piece. It doesn't quote any body or any news organization. It's just some guy saying something. Fox news does more opinion pieces than news. When you see Opinion at the top of the page. Swallow carefully.

That would be depressing if it is true. We have to have people watching this. My problem with this is it's an opinion piece. It doesn't quote any body or any news organization. It's just some guy saying something. Fox news does more opinion pieces than news. When you see Opinion at the top of the page. Swallow carefully.

Is that really what you meant to say?

Oh that's right. And when an MSNBC guy, Chris Matthews, former mouth piece for the king of the demagogues, Tip O'Neil, they of course are completely objective. For instance when that paragon of objectivity Chris Matthews said, “I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often….And that is an objective assessment.” That of course was completely objective and totally devoid of "opinion". Or when Nancy Gibbs of Time's wrote, "Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope." This comparing the latest liberal politician, Obama, with the Savior of the world. That of course was not opinion run a muck.

Only FOX news is to be viewed with one eye askance due to the fact that no place is loaded with as much "opinion" as is FOX news. And those opinions are of course wrong, specifically because they are right. Right wing that is.

Is that what you meant?

For some reason some think that conservatives should keep their mouths shut. Only the far smarter and more thoughtful liberals should speak. If a network allows conservatives to have a say in issues, which FOX news does, they somehow are an entire network of conservative opinion. This only because other networks really don't allow conservative opinion, choosing rather to drag out some pseudo conservative to make a pathetic argument and allow a much more acidic confrontational liberal to rip them up one side and down the other, using obfuscation and miss characterization of the different sides of the issues. That is the liberal way and... that IS much more fair.

No. What I meant to say is don't get all your news from opinion pieces. I don't no anybody who is all conservative or all liberal. My own views are all over the place. I believe in less government, low taxes and lots of oversight. I believe abortion is wrong. But it's not up to the government to make that choice for us. I believe the way we treat our vets is disgraceful . I know we have much in common . Just not Fox opinion.

No. What I meant to say is don't get all your news from opinion pieces. I don't no anybody who is all conservative or all liberal. My own views are all over the place. I believe in less government, low taxes and lots of oversight. I believe abortion is wrong. But it's not up to the government to make that choice for us. I believe the way we treat our vets is disgraceful . I know we have much in common . Just not Fox opinion.

I agree with most of that too, but FOX is only a source for many opinions. You will find many Liberal opinions and conservative opinions. Most of the other media aren't media at all any more but thinly veiled arms or extensions, if you will, of "progressives" aimed at turning traditional values upside down. It's hard to read or find anything that isn't tainted by opinion. But one thing is sure, if you are going to hear an "opinion" on TV or Cable that is "traditional", you almost have to turn on FOX to hear it.

It's hard to read or find anything that isn't tainted by opinionYou are absolutely correct. That's what makes it hard to separate the truth. By the way I have six of your racks and I have other makes also but yours are my favorite. They Rock !

Glad you like the racks! Thank you very much for the kudos! Those puppies are made by the most conservative hands in the business! LOL

That aside, I love to argue politics! It's my way of going hunting so to speak. Some guys like to get out there and hunt Deer, Ducks or whatever. I like to hunt a good argument. It's really great fun.

So here is what happened in Minnesota yesterday.

1) One precinct has counted a number of their ballots twice. How do we know this? Well the total number of ballots counted for Coleman and Franken is greater than the number of people who voted. That's a fact that nobody is arguing about. *

2) Colman's lawyers went to the Minnesota Supreme court to argue to have this precinct numbers corrected so we would have an accurate count.

3) Franken's lawyers were there too. Why you say? Were they too there to make sure that the count was going to be accurate? Nope. What a shock! No, Franken's lawyers were there arguing that the count stand. This despite the fact that the total is greater than the number of people who voted. Why would they do that? Isn't Franken and all Liberals for that matter most interested in the fairness of an election? Well...

4) Seems that particular precinct voted heavily in favor of Franken and an accurate count will reduce Frankens approximately now 50 point lead to his being behind again by about 100 votes.

5) Remember this people. For Liberals it is NOT about fairness or what is right. It is ONLY about the end result.





* By the way, I'm sure that these ballots that were counted twice were counted twice completely by accident. I'm sure it wasn't deliberate cheating. If you believe that, then you believe that Obama and Rezko didn't break the law with their little land deal where Rezko snuck a few hundred thousand dollars in Obama's back pocket. Legally of course... right.

Jeff,
Merry Christmas my friend. I like to play also. Sence we really do hold many of the same values let me stir the pot and play. Obama couldn't afford the house and the lot (owned by Rezko's wife) next door. So she lowered her asking price. They didn't give them money. As far as elections that really is a soar spot with me. We (the United States) are supposed to be the example of fare elections. We need to get a better ballot system. Now for the stir it up part. It seems whoever is in charge in that state the election leans alittle that way. Whether it be Kathleen Harris in FL or those crooks in Ohio. Who's in charge in Minn.? LOL Have a great big happy holiday from my house to yours. God Bless

Glad you like the racks! Thank you very much for the kudos! Those puppies are made by the most conservative hands in the business! LOL

That aside, I love to argue politics! It's my way of going hunting so to speak. Some guys like to get out there and hunt Deer, Ducks or whatever. I like to hunt a good argument. It's really great fun.

So here is what happened in Minnesota yesterday.

1) One precinct has counted a number of their ballots twice. How do we know this? Well the total number of ballots counted for Coleman and Franken is greater than the number of people who voted. That's a fact that nobody is arguing about. *

2) Colman's lawyers went to the Minnesota Supreme court to argue to have this precinct numbers corrected so we would have an accurate count.

3) Franken's lawyers were there too. Why you say? Were they too there to make sure that the count was going to be accurate? Nope. What a shock! No, Franken's lawyers were there arguing that the count stand. This despite the fact that the total is greater than the number of people who voted. Why would they do that? Isn't Franken and all Liberals for that matter most interested in the fairness of an election? Well...

4) Seems that particular precinct voted heavily in favor of Franken and an accurate count will reduce Frankens approximately now 50 point lead to his being behind again by about 100 votes.

5) Remember this people. For Liberals it is NOT about fairness or what is right. It is ONLY about the end result.






Only a hundred vote difference? The question begs. Why did so many up there in Minnesota, the land of deer and duck hunters, vote for this Franken fellow. Would you make an explanation of this phenomenon be a component of your hunt for a good argument? Gracias. :rockon:

I agree with most of that too, but FOX is only a source for many opinions. You will find many Liberal opinions and conservative opinions. Most of the other media aren't media at all any more but thinly veiled arms or extensions, if you will, of "progressives" aimed at turning traditional values upside down. It's hard to read or find anything that isn't tainted by opinion. But one thing is sure, if you are going to hear an "opinion" on TV or Cable that is "traditional", you almost have to turn on FOX to hear it.


I'm skeptical that the various news media's opinion pieces are useful for gauging bias amongst them.

Minnesota is mostly run by the DFL. In order to get elected as a Republican here you have to be basically physically conservative, from wishy washy to liberal on the "social" issues, and extremist liberal on the environment. That is how you could characterize most elected Republicans in Minnesota. Very few legitimate conservatives win any elections in Minnesota.

Liberal Minnesotans are exactly the same as liberal democrats most everywhere. That is they are liberal with other people's money and complete hypocrites with there own. Conservatives are widely known to be far more generous when it comes to charitable giving. Liberals want us to give more, but to the charities of their choice, and that, I might add, at the point of a gun.

That's Minnesota!

Minnesota is mostly run by the DFL. In order to get elected as a Republican here you have to be basically physically conservative, from wishy washy to liberal on the "social" issues, and extremist liberal on the environment. That is how you could characterize most elected Republicans in Minnesota. Very few legitimate conservatives win any elections in Minnesota.

Liberal Minnesotans are exactly the same as liberal democrats most everywhere. That is they are liberal with other people's money and complete hypocrites with there own. Conservatives are widely known to be far more generous when it comes to charitable giving. Liberals want us to give more, but to the charities of their choice, and that, I might add, at the point of a gun.

That's Minnesota!

Thanks for the response. I didn't know much about Minnesota's political bent, beyond that they elected that bald wrestler dood for Governor, some years back. Interesting stuff.

PS- I hope they find those missing Somalians.

Told ya! They are just better at it than conservatives are. Cheating I mean. Franken leads by more than 200 votes. Nearly equal with the margin that the voters gave Colman before the Franken supporters were able to start to work their magic.

- They managed to get one precinct to count more than 100 votes more than people voted in that precinct. Guess who those extra votes are for kiddies?

- They lost 130 ballets in another precinct. Guess who those votes were for kiddies?

Like I said in the starter for this thread. All you need is a Democratic operative to make a little change her, fudge a little there and BOOM!

First Minnesotans voted for a professional wrestler and now you can say hello to the next JOKE from Minnesota:

Senator Al Franken!!!

Geez Jeff, quit being such a crybaby. There has NEVER been a recount this transparent with so many people from ALL political parties watching each and every transaction every step of the way. This recount has been so far above board nobody, not even you, will have a leg to stand on if you want to whine about it. It's still not over and it probably won't be until the courts have their say which might take some time.

i see he made it

He's ahead in ballots. But this......

The Canvassing Board -- made up of four judges and the secretary of state -- was to meet Monday afternoon to go over the final results and sign off on them.

Their action triggers a seven-day waiting period before an election certificate is signed by Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Democratic Secretary of State Mark Ritchie. If any lawsuits are filed during that waiting period, certification is withheld until court matters are resolved.

Says it ain't over yet. There were nearly 3 million votes counted. Not bad in a state with somewhere around 4 million registered voters or less. Indecently, MN had the HIGHEST voter turnout of any state in the union. And to put a win in EITHER direction based on a couple hundred votes is pretty wild. I know I wouldn't want to be the one to make that kind of decision. Isn't that kind of what the courts are for in the first place? To make a fair and impartial decision based on the evidence?

Geez Jeff, quit being such a crybaby. There has NEVER been a recount this transparent with so many people from ALL political parties watching each and every transaction every step of the way. This recount has been so far above board nobody, not even you, will have a leg to stand on if you want to whine about it. It's still not over and it probably won't be until the courts have their say which might take some time.



Yea, I admit, I am a cry baby. I weep for my country and what is happening to it. Some people who disagree with what's going on want to fight about it. I weep. Al Franken going to the Senate is not funny. It's a tragedy that makes my heart sick that it was possible for him to be elected to anything.




Hey Mark, did you vote for Jesse?

What's wrong with an actor/ comedian. It worked out with Reagan.:yessir:

What's wrong with an actor/ comedian. It worked out with Reagan.:yessir:


Righto. And Larry Craig was funny, with his wide stance act.. :lmao:

What's wrong with an actor/ comedian. It worked out with Reagan.:yessir:

Reagan loved America. Franken hates everything about America.
Reagan loved our military. Franken hates it.
Reagan was civil. Franken is a crass bull in the china shop.
Reagan showed those he disagreed with a smile and respect. Franken shows people he disagrees with his middle finger.
Reagan brought down the evil empire. Franken morns that day.
Reagan probably thought Franken was funny. Franken despised Reagan and anyone who agreed with him.

One of the only things they had in common is they both have/had lots more hair than I do... just like your Governor Blago and what he piece of work he has turned out to be.

Yea, I admit, I am a cry baby. I weep for my country and what is happening to it. Some people who disagree with what's going on want to fight about it. I weep. Al Franken going to the Senate is not funny. It's a tragedy that makes my heart sick that it was possible for him to be elected to anything.


Hey Mark, did you vote for Jesse?

Can you get any more melodramatic? No, I didn't vote for Jesse. I also didn't whine about it when he became Governor. He was fairly elected by a majority vote (a majority in a state which I pointed out before, consistently has some of the highest voter turnout in the entire country) I also didn't whine about Norm Coleman being elected the first time either, even though the ONLY reason he won the election was because the Democratic incumbent he was running against DIED in a plane crash weeks before the election. In spite of the tragic circumstances surrounding the election, when all was said and done he got the most votes. So, he became the Senator. That's how it works... You get the most votes, you win the election.

If the recount stands as it is now, Al will be the next Senator from the State of MN, though it's STILL up in the air and probably will ultimately be decided in the courts. But guess what? A win by a couple of hundred votes is still a majority. And if you don't like it? Well then congratulations you lucky fellow, you'll get a chance to vote against him again six years from now.

What I don't get is all the whining 'liberal conspiracy' bullshit just because you don't like the outcome. Yeah, this great liberal state where since the states inception we've elected 9 Democrats to the office of Governor and 26 Republicans to the same office. Wow, what a liberal state we live in....

Can you get any more melodramatic?

Melodramatic implies dishonesty and no. In fact I am not exaggerating at all.


No, I didn't vote for Jesse. I also didn't whine about it when he became Governor. He was fairly elected by a majority vote (a majority in a state which I pointed out before, consistently has some of the highest voter turnout in the entire country) I also didn't whine about Norm Coleman being elected the first time either, even though the ONLY reason he won the election was because the Democratic incumbent he was running against DIED in a plane crash weeks before the election. In spite of the tragic circumstances surrounding the election, when all was said and done he got the most votes. So, he became the Senator. That's how it works... You get the most votes, you win the election.

I had no idea! You get the most votes then you are the winner? Great concept. How much easier my life would have been if I had known that. Here all along I thought it was the guy with the most hair that won. Somehow I should have known that the entire problem is how stupid I am. What a great argument you make. You smart. Me dumb. You win.


If the recount stands as it is now, Al will be the next Senator from the State of MN, though it's STILL up in the air and probably will ultimately be decided in the courts. But guess what? A win by a couple of hundred votes is still a majority. And if you don't like it? Well then congratulations you lucky fellow, you'll get a chance to vote against him again six years from now.

If you read how this tread started, you will see that I declared Franken the winner from the day after the election. Franken had those willing to cheat in his corner and cheat they did. It's just when Norm Colman, who is only a Republican in name only by the way, when Norm's lawyers called attention to the FACT that one precinct in Ramsey county had more than 100 votes above the the number of people who voted, I just pointed that fact out. That plus they lost 130 other votes.

That is exactly how I predicted they would win. I actually am not whining. I am vindicated in that I am right. Far right actually and exactly correct about the Democrat's superior ability to cheat over the Republicans naive notion that anything fair was going to result here. The margin was far too tight for the switch not to become a reality and I predicted it.

What I don't get is all the whining 'liberal conspiracy' bullshit just because you don't like the outcome.

A conspiracy was completely unnecessary. All Al, Mr. Class Act, needed was one operative to duplicate a few votes and another to loose a few votes. That's all she wrote. Badda boom. Badda bang. From Repubican in name only liberal leaning Norm Colman to ALL THE WAY left America hater Al Franken.

I LOVE being right.

Some day a picture like this will surface with the proud individuals who helped win Franken this election:

http://www.reformation.org/ballot-box-13.jpg

This was the equivalent after some good 'ol boys in Texas helped LBJ win an election the Democratic way.

just like your Governor Blago and what he piece of work he has turned out to be.
I agree with you again. I think that's twice now. Great minds think alike. LOL
He'll be in a cell next to our previous Gov. George Ryan soon.

I agree with you again. I think that's twice now. Great minds think alike. LOL
He'll be in a cell next to our previous Gov. George Ryan soon.

I do envy the head of hair that jerk had though... I must admit that.

I do envy the head of hair that jerk had though... I must admit that.
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Maybe he'll get some pulled out in prison. I am curious who tipped off Fitzgerald about Blago trying to sell Obama's seat. Was it one of Obama's people? Was it Raum Emmanuel ?
I could see Blago trying to shake them down for money for there choice for Obama's seat. If it were one of them. I could see them telling Obama and saying. What to do about a democratic Gov. from his home state.. If it got out it would look bad for the party. But it is wrong and they called Fitzgerald anyway. If it went down that way maybe thats the change he's talked about. Lets hope.

Maybe he'll get some pulled out in prison. I am curious who tipped off Fitzgerald about Blago trying to sell Obama's seat. Was it one of Obama's people? Was it Raum Emmanuel ?
I could see Blago trying to shake them down for money for there choice for Obama's seat. If it were one of them. I could see them telling Obama and saying. What to do about a democratic Gov. from his home state.. If it got out it would look bad for the party. But it is wrong and they called Fitzgerald anyway. If it went down that way maybe thats the change he's talked about. Lets hope.

The Feds have been investigating Blago for several years and that was well known. I suppose in the course of that investigation they just stumbled onto it. That is why a number of people were smart enough to stay away from what they know as buisness as usual in Illinois politics. Because they knew Blago was being investigated, they better be on their best behavior and not conduct themselves like they normally would.

I think we will see some pretty surprising things become revealed as the bad guys involved in this all begin the rat one another out. Perhaps some of those guys are in Washington now. Time will tell won't it?

Just as I said, lawsuits have been filed and this will now be settled in the courts. Nobody is 'cheating' or stealing any elections. This recount has been completely above board and as transparent as any has ever been. Nobody is trying to hide anything, they don't need to. As it stands now, Al is the winner on votes.

I am sorry that the Senator that you want didn't win. That's unfortunate.

I do believe that when you vote you know that you are taking a risk, a chance and putting your passion into something that you believe in and that sometimes like in most things in life you will be let down.

Weather its b/c your guy didn't win. or him crewed up...at some point the POLITICIANS are going to get all f'd up....and we all will suffer. I think that it's best to just vote and pray and when the outcome doesn't slide your way deal with it.

I didn't want Bush to be the President....and the fact that he was for two terms did nothing put PISS me OFF! However what could I have done? I Do hope that Obama brings in change and not just on the menu in the White house.

He seems to have a very level head and I hope that will be enough to start turning our economy around!

Just as I said, lawsuits have been filed and this will now be settled in the courts. Nobody is 'cheating' or stealing any elections. This recount has been completely above board and as transparent as any has ever been. Nobody is trying to hide anything, they don't need to. As it stands now, Al is the winner on votes.

Then how is it that there are 25 precincts with more votes than voters registered? How does that compute in your "noone is cheating" scenario?

Then how is it that there are 25 precincts with more votes than voters registered? How does that compute in your "noone is cheating" scenario?

I don't know, I haven't heard anything about this from any legitimate news sources, what's your source for this information?

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Then how is it that there are 25 precincts with more votes than voters registered? How does that compute in your "noone is cheating" scenario?
I don't know, I haven't heard anything about this from any legitimate news sources, what's your source for this information?
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Hey Mark, It's been 9 days and no reply with sources from anybody. I think you win. :yourock:

Sorry, I forgot all about this. This is where I read it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111967642552909.html

Before you get you panties all in a bunch, I realize this is an opinion piece, but it is in all sorts of other stories elsewhere that there are several precincts with more votes recorded than voters signed in. I couldn't find actual counts anywhere, so if you've got proof that shows this is not true, I'd love to see it.

I'm glad you realize it's an opinion piece.
Opinion- Websters
A personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof

Yes, but in general, the "facts" stated in said opinion pieces, especially when printed in the WSJ have been checked. I could find you some other references in non opinion pieces, but what I would love to see is the actual counts by precinct, but I can't find them anywhere.

Come on Lucid.
Opinion is opinion because it's not verified. Whether it's on Fox or in the Wall Street Journal. You can chose to believe it if you want but it's still opinion.
I love hard hitting reporting. Name names and facts. Put your reputation on the line. Don't feed me opinion and call it news. That's why I don't read the Enquirer or watch Fox opinion. Good luck with your fact finding. You would think it would be public record.

I don't know, I haven't heard anything about this from any legitimate news sources, what's your source for this information?

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Sorry, I forgot all about this. This is where I read it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111967642552909.html

Before you get you panties all in a bunch, I realize this is an opinion piece, but it is in all sorts of other stories elsewhere that there are several precincts with more votes recorded than voters signed in. I couldn't find actual counts anywhere, so if you've got proof that shows this is not true, I'd love to see it.

Ah, the Wall Street Journal Opinions page.... It'd be pretty tough to find something more bi-partisan then that. :lol:

But let me try....

Here is a piece from another source...

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/01/14/canvasrespond/

The criticism doesn't bother canvassing board member Kathy Gearin.

"We've gotten all kinds of positive comments," Gearin said. "And even walking down the street or in the grocery store, I have had people come up and say 'thank you for the work!'"

Gearin's response to people who think the recount was fixed is: Watch the tapes.

"You can watch every single thing we did," she said. "We never looked at a ballot outside of the cameras. We never made a decision except in front of the cameras."

The state Canvassing Board consisted of Gearin, plus three other judges and Secretary of State Mark Ritchie.

Ritchie is a Democrat. Two of the judges were appointed by Republican governors, another by Independence Party Gov. Jesse Ventura, and Gearin was elected to her judgeship without the backing of a political party. In spite of their diverse political backgrounds, the board operated with near unanimity.

"Ninety-five percent of the ballots that were challenged we all agreed to 5-0 in the state Canvassing Board. All of the decisions of the state Canvassing Board were 5-0 consensus," Ritchie told reporters last week.

When the board sided with Franken on the 133 ballots that apparently disappeared in Minneapolis, that was a unanimous decision. It was also unanimous when it rejected Coleman's request to consider irregularities related to so-called "duplicate ballots."

Ritchie says the recount process was fair and "as accurate as was humanly possible within Minnesota law and the issues we were directed by the state Supreme Court."

It's a pretty good NEWS article, even if it is a NEWS story from that horrible liberal media.

The only Democrat on the Canvassing board is the Secretary of State. The other Judges were either appointed by Republicans, Independents or were elected without political affiliation. The counting was done IN FRONT OF CAMERAS so there is a video record of EVERY CONTESTED BALLOT BEING RECOUNTED.... So, show me where the conspiracy is? Sounds more and more like conservative whining to me.

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Oh and BTW: If Jas had brains made out of dynamite, he wouldn't have enough to blow his nose.