Wow - this is a must listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPB1psORIkQ


Time to get involved people......

Sounds like he is going crazy on American men.
He is doing it for ratings.
Freedom of speech at work.

Doesn't mean I have to iisten to his garbage.

Sounds like he is going crazy on American men.
He is doing it for ratings.
Freedom of speech at work.

Doesn't mean I have to iisten to his garbage.

Yep....Americans have pretty much sat back and allowed severe damage be inflicted upon our country while doing nothing.....because of political correctness. We don't want to "offend" anybody. I agree with much of what he said, but disagree also.....not a "birther". If there was any question as to Mr. Obama's nationality, the Clinton political machine would have found it.....guaranteed! The question is.....do you believe this is the same country as your father's, or has improved for the better or worse?

I don't think he's doing it for ratings....at all! That's who he is and what he believes. The guy's a loose cannon, and despite agreeing with many of the same principles, I can't say I agree with his whole message and delivery (you should have heard him tear Jerry Seinfeld a new one for making other jews look like a bunch of whiney panty wastes). It's the same reason he goes off on the Obama administration for their blatant disrespect and public insults towards Israel. He believes what he says.

Yeah, I believe he is the 1st ammendment at its best and worst. But I'm sure we can agree on defending his speech just as much as we defend that of Michael Moore, Glenn Beck, and Janine Garafalofaloflaolfaolo....:dunno:...you know who I'm talking about.

Yeah, I believe he is the 1st ammendment at its best and worst. But I'm sure we can agree on defending his speech just as much as we defend that of Michael Moore, Glenn Beck, and Janine Garafalofaloflaolfaolo....:dunno:...you know who I'm talking about.

Absolutely :yessir:

Yep....Americans have pretty much sat back and allowed severe damage be inflicted upon our country while doing nothing.....because of political correctness. We don't want to "offend" anybody. I agree with much of what he said, but disagree also.....not a "birther". If there was any question as to Mr. Obama's nationality, the Clinton political machine would have found it.....guaranteed! The question is.....do you believe this is the same country as your father's, or has improved for the better or worse?

I don't think he's doing it for ratings....at all! That's who he is and what he believes. The guy's a loose cannon, and despite agreeing with many of the same principles, I can't say I agree with his whole message and delivery (you should have heard him tear Jerry Seinfeld a new one for making other jews look like a bunch of whiney panty wastes). It's the same reason he goes off on the Obama administration for their blatant disrespect and public insults towards Israel. He believes what he says.

Yeah, I believe he is the 1st ammendment at its best and worst. But I'm sure we can agree on defending his speech just as much as we defend that of Michael Moore, Glenn Beck, and Janine Garafalofaloflaolfaolo....:dunno:...you know who I'm talking about.

I agree Mike, i agree with a lot of what he says.. i just do not agree with how he goes about delivering it some times.

I agree Mike, i agree with a lot of what he says.. i just do not agree with how he goes about delivering it some times.

Yep, sometimes he is all ego and he slams everyone - even those on the conservative side of the fence.

I do agree that we (men and women) have sat idle and allowed the PC crowd to push their agenda and political correctness. And he makes an interesting point about those in power who are for illegal immigrants - they act as though the illegal’s are already their constituents (or maybe it's wishful thinking so they can get reelected).

I read a little about this new law in Arizona. They have made it against the law to be an illegal alien. Isn't that a little redundant? I guess now they will have to pass a law to make it against the law to be a bank robber. :dunno:

I read a little about this new law in Arizona. They have made it against the law to be an illegal alien. Isn't that a little redundant? I guess now they will have to pass a law to make it against the law to be a bank robber. :dunno:

They made it legal for law enforcement to stop ANYONE who LOOKS "possibly illegal" and ask for papers. It's basically racial profiling, which is what the commotion is about.

They made it legal for law enforcement to stop ANYONE who LOOKS "possibly illegal" and ask for papers. It's basically racial profiling, which is what the commotion is about.

Which I have no problem with at all. If you look like you just robbed a bank or if you look like a thug drug dealer, the police should be allowed to stop you. I preach this to my kids all the time. You look like a thug and you will be treated as such even if you arent one.
Same goes for illegals. If you look like you just swam across the Rio Grande then the cops should be able to ask you for papers! :yessir:

Which I have no problem with at all. If you look like you just robbed a bank or if you look like a thug drug dealer, the police should be allowed to stop you. I preach this to my kids all the time. You look like a thug and you will be treated as such even if you arent one.
Same goes for illegals. If you look like you just swam across the Rio Grande then the cops should be able to ask you for papers! :yessir:

Oh I agree. And odds are pretty damn good it's actually an illegal around here...trust me. They broke our law... That gives us the right to take action... Where's the injustice???

How about those like me (I am puerto rican not mexican) that are here legally but some times we tent to fit that profile. Is it fair to stop us and go all commando on us? I do agree that they did the wrong thing by coming here with out papers. But lets just stop and think for a minute. Every one here is an immigrate and came to the U.S. looking for a "better" life. This IS racial profiling and in my opinion TOTALLY wrong.

How about those like me (I am puerto rican not mexican) that are here legally but some times we tent to fit that profile. Is it fair to stop us and go all commando on us? I do agree that they did the wrong thing by coming here with out papers. But lets just stop and think for a minute. Every one here is an immigrate and came to the U.S. looking for a "better" life. This IS racial profiling and in my opinion TOTALLY wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if I saw you standing next to a group of day laborers, I'd be able to tell the difference between you and them. When we look at a "profile", we need to acknowledge that the profile is not based upon skin tone alone.

As far as everyone here being descendant of immigrants, I agree. My grandmother did not know her father until she was 10 years old. He came over from Poland...legally. He got established, latched onto the true American dream, and when he was able, he sent for his wife and children, and they worked. While the illegals come here and work, the fact is that many come illegally, and bring their entire families with them. Most live off of and abuse the US entitlement system while becoming established, and send much of what they make back to their home countries. They come to take from this country, and in many cases, do little to contribute. I've spoken to more than a few who have told me they have no desire to become American citizens. They have no allegiance to this nation....only to the money and services it has to offer.

BTW, can I see your papers? :dunno:

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: Just kiddin'!

"They have no allegiance to this nation....only to the money and services it has to offer."

Isn't this what every one is looking for, really. I am an american because I was born as an american. Do I want to be one... no. Do I enjoy what the U.S. brings yeah... maybe. Is my native land strew up of course. Latinos are very "proud" of what they are. By making them americans that is like giving up there ruts (witch is not the case). I don't want to do this but what happen when every body came here and just took whatever land they wanted from the Indians. Same thing is happening here... but now the americans are the Indians.

Hate to break it to you but times have changed since the 1700's. We have an economy established and laws in place. If people want to come here to enjoy the benefits of our great country, there are ways of doing it. If a white family illegally went to Mexico and started having babies, they would boot them out before you could say "gringo". When an illegal comes to America and walks into a hospital in labor, we HAVE to take care of them. Then that baby is a citizen and the family gets to stay. But wait, who is going to pay for that hospital bill...? I can tell you it isn't the family who just took advantage of us.

"They have no allegiance to this nation....only to the money and services it has to offer."

Isn't this what every one is looking for, really. I am an american because I was born as an american. Do I want to be one... no. Do I enjoy what the U.S. brings yeah... maybe. Is my native land strew up of course. Latinos are very "proud" of what they are. By making them americans that is like giving up there ruts (witch is not the case). I don't want to do this but what happen when every body came here and just took whatever land they wanted from the Indians. Same thing is happening here... but now the americans are the Indians.

That is absolutely NOT what everyone is looking for. I am looking for a nation where I and my children can prosper and enjoy the freedom and culture that is unique to America. If you don't want to be an American, you can leave at any time. Don't try and take from and bastardize this country for those that are proud of their American heritage, and want to be part of this nation.

I just went to a christening for a friend's daughter. My wife, child, and I were among 5 people for whom English is their first language. We had a blast, and spent the day speaking "Spanglish" among some really great people. There is a distinct difference between these folks who have embraced this country as they brought their culture with them, and those who have no desire to become part of what we have.

Hate to break it to you but times have changed since the 1700's. We have an economy established and laws in place. If people want to come here to enjoy the benefits of our great country, there are ways of doing it. If a white family illegally went to Mexico and started having babies, they would boot them out before you could say "gringo". When an illegal comes to America and walks into a hospital in labor, we HAVE to take care of them. Then that baby is a citizen and the family gets to stay. But wait, who is going to pay for that hospital bill...? I can tell you it isn't the family who just took advantage of us.

There is no nation on earth that would stand by quietly as non-citizens came in droves and began to dictate what that nation should do to benefit them....well maybe France, but we ain't France...yet.

"Don't try and take from and bastardize this country for those that are proud of their American heritage, and want to be part of this nation."

That's the thing you are part of the american heritage because you grew up here I dint. Maybe my kids (if I have any) will be proud to be americans (if they are raised here). Do I want to go back to P.R.? The economy is even worse in PR than it is here. So the answer is no. Do I want the mexicans or even puerto ricans to run this country? They can't run there own, let alone the U.S.

Don't get me wrong I do I agree that does that came here illegally should be send back. My problem with all this is the racial profiling and taking people out of the blew with out asking any questions.

If from the start the American government did his job right and every immigrant that came here, ask for jobs or food stamps or even giving birth where sent to their country in the first place, non of this will ever happen.

God I love Michael Savage. I may not agree with the man on every issue but dammit when he wants to make a point he MAKES A FRIGGIN POINT he doesn't beat around the damn bush like so many other people on the radio.

"They have no allegiance to this nation....only to the money and services it has to offer."

Isn't this what every one is looking for, really. I am an american because I was born as an american. Do I want to be one... no. Do I enjoy what the U.S. brings yeah... maybe. Is my native land strew up of course. Latinos are very "proud" of what they are. By making them americans that is like giving up there ruts (witch is not the case). I don't want to do this but what happen when every body came here and just took whatever land they wanted from the Indians. Same thing is happening here... but now the americans are the Indians.

If you dont want to be one then go back to puerto rico. Sorry but I cant stand when people say crap like that but continue to stay here. If this country is so bad, hop the next flight out of here. I fought for this country and I am damn proud to be an American. :yessir:

I have never said this country is bad. It is better then mine (education and economically) that is why I am here. I am just not confutable saying I am an north american. Because I am not and I will never will be.

Meantime, in order to "secure the borders" of the USA, I'll have to get a passport if I ever want to visit Canada or return to The Bahamas for a vacation.

I'm sure that undocumented workers add something to the American economy, and that a lot of them have a deep and growing love for the country in which they've taken residence - but the primary thing I've seen the borders secured against is law-abiding Americans.

~Bruce

I have never said this country is bad. It is better then mine (education and economically) that is why I am here. I am just not confutable saying I am an north american. Because I am not and I will never will be.

Are you a citizen of this country? Do you take advantage of all that this country offers? Do you drink the clean water? Do you drive a car of your choice? Do you live where you choose?
I believe these are your words:
I am an american because I was born as an american. Do I want to be one... no. Do I enjoy what the U.S. brings yeah... maybe.

Dont get me wrong, I am not against people being proud of their culture but you are denouncing being a citizen. If you dont want to be a citizen, denounce your citizenship legally and go somewhere else. And Puerto Rico is part of the US so you are American no matter how you look at it. Just because I am from Texas doesnt mean I am not American.

i don't care who comes here, but if you do you need to learn english and pay taxes. I'm tired of folks that sit on their ass and get welfare and medicaid living off the US government when they are more than able to work. That goes for folks that live in the city, county, legal or illegal.

You don't work, you don't eat.....

i don't care who comes here, but if you do you need to learn english and pay taxes. I'm tired of folks that sit on their ass and get welfare and medicaid living off the US government when they are more than able to work. That goes for folks that live in the city, county, legal or illegal.

You don't work, you don't eat.....

:yes: :cheers: :rockon:

I agree with Jen. This is the last thing I will say because it is hard trying to reason with some one threw a computer. I have citizenship yes because the U.S. is in affiliation with P.R. I was born and raised there. I am sure if you ask any one from another country that just came here (legally) if they are american they will say NO. Don't get me wrong again the U.S. does have some good stuff but in my mind it will never compare to my little island. So if you ask me are you an american I will say NO I am a Puerto Rican.

Screw this law.

Can someone tell me what an illegle looks like?

Next its gonna be segregation for all my brown folk.

Screw this law.

Can someone tell me what an illegle looks like?

Next its gonna be segregation for all my brown folk.

I have no idea what an illegle looks like :dunno:

I don't know what an illegal looks like either.
But when a police officer pulls over a car for a violation and the driver has no license and can't speak english.
Why can't we arrest them?

Thats the problem pulling over someone because he has brown skin isnt what I call a violation of the law. What is a violation of my rights is being racialy profiled!

Screw this law.

Can someone tell me what an illegle looks like?

Next its gonna be segregation for all my brown folk.

Have you read the law? People cannot be stopped for being brown, they have to be stopped for another violation and if there is doubt about ones legal residencey it can be addressed. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, but the bottom line is this is the most humane way to handle the illegal immigration issue.

Personally I don't think this goes far enough because the problem is not just about illegal immigration but rather an invasion of people from one country to cross the borders of another soveriegn nation and take it's reasources such as labor, money, welfare, etc.... all while remaining loyal to the country they originated from.

Your problem Ophi is that you label yourself as "brown" folk thus segregating yourself from average "American" folk all on your own. You and many choose to segregate yourselves in your train of thought, meanwhile the rest of us of all races and religions just want save our counrty and preserve the identity and character of the USA.

If you really deep down believe that Mexicans should be allowed in the country illegaly because they have the same brown skin as you then you truely are the one with racist ideals.

Thats the problem pulling over someone because he has brown skin isnt what I call a violation of the law. What is a violation of my rights is being racialy profiled!

Your naive and haven't read the law. Open your mind and stop dishing out mainstream media talking points. You are very ignorant on this subject!

Thats the problem pulling over someone because he has brown skin isnt what I call a violation of the law. What is a violation of my rights is being racialy profiled!

I agree it isn't.
What my point is that when police have pulled over people for a legal traffic stop they don't enforce the laws that are on the books already. (immigration laws)
I understand they are told not to but that frustrates me to no end. :mad:

I have never said this country is bad. It is better then mine (education and economically) that is why I am here. I am just not confutable saying I am an north american. Because I am not and I will never will be.

You admit that you are here to reap the benefits of a country that was created by the blood and sweat of patriots of generations past that worked to create a better country for generations ahead and you cannot find it in your soul to honor those that created such a land of opportunity by showing some loyalty to the USA!

If you cannot find that passion for the USA, I suggest you go back to PR and do what our ancestors did and make it a better country for future generations of Puerto Rican's.

Let me ask you something, do you feel it is fair that American ancestors worked so hard to create a country of freedom and a homeland, yet the current generation is just supposed watch all of that work and those resources redistributed to foriegn nationals that in many ways are hostile to the values of middle America?

I said I wasn't going to say any more but K. Sorry man but this country was taking right out of the hands of the american Indians. The people that build this country did exactly what I am doing right now, they took advantage of a "good" opportunity. They did it in a totally unhumain and disgusting way... but that is a different topic.

I am sorry to say this but unless you move to another country you will never understand where I am coming from. I will bet 100% that if you move to Europe you will always call your self an american not an European because that is not what you are. It doesn't matter what your license says or your passport. If for some reason the U.S. starts fighting with Europe you being there you will still fight for the U.S. even if you have spend the majority of your life in another country.

Have you read the law? People cannot be stopped for being brown, they have to be stopped for another violation and if there is doubt about ones legal residencey it can be addressed. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, but the bottom line is this is the most humane way to handle the illegal immigration issue.

Personally I don't think this goes far enough because the problem is not just about illegal immigration but rather an invasion of people from one country to cross the borders of another soveriegn nation and take it's reasources such as labor, money, welfare, etc.... all while remaining loyal to the country they originated from.

Your problem Ophi is that you label yourself as "brown" folk thus segregating yourself from average "American" folk all on your own. You and many choose to segregate yourselves in your train of thought, meanwhile the rest of us of all races and religions just want save our counrty and preserve the identity and character of the USA.

If you really deep down believe that Mexicans should be allowed in the country illegaly because they have the same brown skin as you then you truely are the one with racist ideals.

The real problem is people are scared and dont no what to do! They think by making laws to legally racial profile someone is going to fix illegals from coming over, your wrong the only thing I see is a violation of my rights! Im not worried about being deported Im a American but if you believe that cops wont abuse the system your wrong. Little by little my rights go out the window! This will never stop illegals from coming over Americans need to wake up and find a different solution.

I agree with Jen. This is the last thing I will say because it is hard trying to reason with some one threw a computer. I have citizenship yes because the U.S. is in affiliation with P.R. I was born and raised there. I am sure if you ask any one from another country that just came here (legally) if they are american they will say NO. Don't get me wrong again the U.S. does have some good stuff but in my mind it will never compare to my little island. So if you ask me are you an american I will say NO I am a Puerto Rican.

I was born and raised in Texas. We we our own country just like Puerto Rico was. We became a state in 1845, Puerto Rico became a territory in 1898. If you ask me where I'm from I'll tell you Texas, but I still consider myself an American. Whether you want to believe it or not, you are an American and have always been one. Puerto Rico enjoys all the rights and defenses of this great nation.

The real problem is people are scared and dont no what to do! They think by making laws to legally racial profile someone is going to fix illegals from coming over, your wrong the only thing I see is a violation of my rights! Im not worried about being deported Im a American but if you believe that cops wont abuse the system your wrong. Little by little my rights go out the window! This will never stop illegals from coming over Americans need to wake up and find a different solution.

And that solution is? Thought so....

Again, if you have nothing to worry about why are you raising such a stink? Its just like the government listening in cell phone calls. I COULD CARE LESS! I am not a terrorist and I dont do illegal shit so I could care less who listens to me talk to Claude about breeding snakes! :D

Seriously, take a step back and look at the big picture people.

And that solution is? Thought so....

Again, if you have nothing to worry about why are you raising such a stink? Its just like the government listening in cell phone calls. I COULD CARE LESS! I am not a terrorist and I dont do illegal shit so I could care less who listens to me talk to Claude about breeding snakes! :D

Seriously, take a step back and look at the big picture people.

I don"t know why you would want to breed snakes when you have such a pretty wife. :dunno:

The fabric of our country is the Constitution.
This new law will be challenged in court. (as unconstitutional)
But it just my wake up the Federal Govenment to do something about it other than Amnesty.

:yessir::rebel::yes:

Watch out!!! Claude and I agree on something politically....if that's happening, it's pretty safe to say that the people of this nation have had enough with illegal aliens (note: I didn't use the term undocumented) coming into this country and telling us how we need to do things.

As far as what early settlers did to the American Indian, bascuca, it pains me to see you approve of their actions. If you didn't, I'm sure you wouldn't be doing the same thing as you so eloquently put it. It's also a shame that while others have grown intellectually, and seen that going in and raping a country for its goods and services with no concern for its inhabitants is wrong, you have not. Hopefully I just misunderstood, and you do not have the same mentality as those who committed such offenses hundreds of years ago.

You want my solution? It's really simple. In order to receive any non-life-saving medical treatment, welfare, food stamps, public education, or other benefits or entitlements provided to the inhabitants of this country, each person would be required to prove they are a citizen of this country or one of its territories...(bascuca, you'd be fine). After 10 years of this policy, I would 100% support full amnesty for all illegals, because the only ones left here would be the ones that we want....the ones that are here to embrace this nation, not pillage it.

As far as what early settlers did to the American Indian, bascuca, it pains me to see you approve of their actions. If you didn't, I'm sure you wouldn't be doing the same thing as you so eloquently put it. It's also a shame that while others have grown intellectually, and seen that going in and raping a country for its goods and services with no concern for its inhabitants is wrong, you have not. Hopefully I just misunderstood, and you do not have the same mentality as those who committed such offenses hundreds of years ago.



Yes Mike you missed understood me. I don't agree at all what happens years ago. I have Indian blood in me and I am proud of that. The thing I was getting at was that the illegals are coming to the U.S. and doing the same thing the settlers did to the Indians. Just like karma is bitting the U.S. in the !#@#$

Sorry man but this country was taking right out of the hands of the american Indians. The people that build this country did exactly what I am doing right now, they took advantage of a "good" opportunity.


I don't want to nit-pick, but your above statement does not jive with your statement below. You weren't justifying illegals taking advantage of this country, you were talking about you taking advantage of this country. That just doesn't sit well...sorry, but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Yes Mike you missed understood me. I don't agree at all what happens years ago. I have Indian blood in me and I am proud of that. The thing I was getting at was that the illegals are coming to the U.S. and doing the same thing the settlers did to the Indians. Just like karma is bitting the U.S. in the !#@#$

Screw this law.

Can someone tell me what an illegle looks like?

Next its gonna be segregation for all my brown folk.

Hey, if I break into your house without your permission, eat your food, buy stuff with your checkbook, wear your clothes, and sleep in your bed, when you call the cops and have me arrested, is it because I'm white? :dunno:

I can tell you what an illegal looks like...here's a hint...he's the guy doing illegal stuff. :rolleyes:

Alright Mike, I give up trying to give my point (maybe is the language barrier). You win! But alright Mike I am part of the problem. I take your resources and I will never vote (any where not even in P.R.) or ever join the Army (again not even for P.R.) So I am a part of the problem!! ;)

For me, it's not about winning or being right. You're right that it may be the language barrier, but I just wanted you to understand where I was coming from, and how I see it when people are here enjoying all the benefits America has to offer, and then say that they don't like this country or want to be an American.

I think we have taken this a little off topic, though....in all honesty, do you see a difference between yourself and illegal immigrants? Do you honestly believe that authorities enforcing this law (by letter and spirit) would not be able to tell the difference between you and illegals? Be honest...if you believe the answer is yes, then it's yes. I don't, but I'm not hispanic.

Your naive and haven't read the law. Open your mind and stop dishing out mainstream media talking points. You are very ignorant on this subject!


So you think Im naive?
Im not the one who believe that this law will stop the problem!

And that solution is? Thought so....

Again, if you have nothing to worry about why are you raising such a stink? Its just like the government listening in cell phone calls. I COULD CARE LESS! I am not a terrorist and I dont do illegal shit so I could care less who listens to me talk to Claude about breeding snakes! :D

Seriously, take a step back and look at the big picture people.

Why would you ask me a quistion and then you answer it? I can see you dont mind your rights being taken so I dont know were your coming from. Well I have a problem with it Im an American and you better believe that Im gonna fight for my rights to not be discrimanted! The answer to your quiston is elementary, if the cow stops giving milk what do you do, look for another cow!

Hey, if I break into your house without your permission, eat your food, buy stuff with your checkbook, wear your clothes, and sleep in your bed, when you call the cops and have me arrested, is it because I'm white? :dunno:

I can tell you what an illegal looks like...here's a hint...he's the guy doing illegal stuff. :rolleyes:

I dont know if I should even respond to someone who just assume what I think.

If you really think that this law will solve the problem by all means aggree with the rest of the people who are scared.

I dont know if I should even respond to someone who just assume what I think.

If you really think that this law will solve the problem by all means aggree with the rest of the people who are scared.

Would you call the cops if I did those things, and why? I assumed nothing.

As for whether or not this will solve the problem, no, it won't "solve" the "entire" problem, just like prosecuting shoplifters won't prevent theft. It may put a dent in things in AZ, though, don't ya think? :dunno:

Ophi, I don't understand where the scared comment comes from, what are we scared of? Are you insinuating that we are scared of hispanics?

You just don't get it! This is about pride in our country and it's sovereign independence to have clear and stated borders. You keep making this a hispanic hate issue, but after having talked with many of my hispanic freinds about this issue none of them have any sympathy for illegals. In fact they feel illegal aliens give law abiding respectable hispanics a bad image.

Sorry Ophi, I'm not playing into this race baiting sob story. I live in a very diverse area and it is just natural to have freinds of different races and religions and for us race is a part of who we are but it doesn't define us..... our freindships and common interest are what bring us together.

Ophi, you may not like to hear this but from your comments in this thread and others it is quite clear that you harbor some racial animosity and have a tendency to project that onto issues where it is innapropriate.

Do I think this law is perfect? No! However, the people of Arizona have been left little choice because if they do not slow the illegal immigration it will further destroy local and state budgets resulting in a collapse of all public services. Personally I think the border states should form well armed militias like a ramped up version of the volunteer Minute Men that patroll the border.

Again, this ISN'T about keeping hispanics out, it is about keeping out UNLAWFUL immigrants and not out of fear but out of respect for the independence of the USA and secondarily to keep local and state governments from a budget collapse from the increased demand on social services.

Why would you ask me a quistion and then you answer it? I can see you dont mind your rights being taken so I dont know were your coming from. Well I have a problem with it Im an American and you better believe that Im gonna fight for my rights to not be discrimanted! The answer to your quiston is elementary, if the cow stops giving milk what do you do, look for another cow!


My rights being taken away? And what rights have been taken away from me or you through this law? NONE! In fact, this law is protecting our rights. Read Kevin's post above. He nailed it dead on. And I agree with him.... you seem to be the one with the racial problem....

Ophi, I don't understand where the scared comment comes from, what are we scared of? Are you insinuating that we are scared of hispanics?

You just don't get it! This is about pride in our country and it's sovereign independence to have clear and stated borders. You keep making this a hispanic hate issue, but after having talked with many of my hispanic freinds about this issue none of them have any sympathy for illegals. In fact they feel illegal aliens give law abiding respectable hispanics a bad image.

Sorry Ophi, I'm not playing into this race baiting sob story. I live in a very diverse area and it is just natural to have freinds of different races and religions and for us race is a part of who we are but it doesn't define us..... our freindships and common interest are what bring us together.

Ophi, you may not like to hear this but from your comments in this thread and others it is quite clear that you harbor some racial animosity and have a tendency to project that onto issues where it is innapropriate.

Do I think this law is perfect? No! However, the people of Arizona have been left little choice because if they do not slow the illegal immigration it will further destroy local and state budgets resulting in a collapse of all public services. Personally I think the border states should form well armed militias like a ramped up version of the volunteer Minute Men that patroll the border.

Again, this ISN'T about keeping hispanics out, it is about keeping out UNLAWFUL immigrants and not out of fear but out of respect for the independence of the USA and secondarily to keep local and state governments from a budget collapse from the increased demand on social services.

Amen brother! :yessir:

Man I cant believe the bs Im reading! No were in my commints did I mention that I want illegals living here reaping the rewards of American citizens. I aggree we have a problem and I know this law would not do anything to prevent the problem. K, Normis, Mike, all jumped to conclusions, the conclusion that I want illegals here! why I dont know but it shows me what type of people Im dealing with! The problem I have with this law is, Tio Juan gets pulled over for a traffic violation. The cop ask him for his licence he gives it to him then he starts talking , the cop notice's the accent. Next thing you know hes being detained for hours cause the cop thinks he is illeagle! In my book thats a violation of his rights cause Tio Juan is an American citizen!

It sound like the only people pulling the race card is you guys! I know we have a problem and I two want this problem to stop but this law doesnt do anything to solve the problem. K I see you have a anger problem the post you made was purley on assumtion, the assumtion that I think illeagls should rape our country. You really should take the time to think about what you post, not just spew all kinds of bs! Do you have a degree in psychology? If not quit acting like you know what Im thinking!

Man I cant believe the bs Im reading! No were in my commints did I mention that I want illegals living here reaping the rewards of American citizens. I aggree we have a problem and I know this law would not do anything to prevent the problem. K, Normis, Mike, all jumped to conclusions, the conclusion that I want illegals here! why I dont know but it shows me what type of people Im dealing with! The problem I have with this law is, Tio Juan gets pulled over for a traffic violation. The cop ask him for his licence he gives it to him then he starts talking , the cop notice's the accent. Next thing you know hes being detained for hours cause the cop thinks he is illeagle! In my book thats a violation of his rights cause Tio Juan is an American citizen!

It sound like the only people pulling the race card is you guys! I know we have a problem and I two want this problem to stop but this law doesnt do anything to solve the problem. K I see you have a anger problem the post you made was purley on assumtion, the assumtion that I think illeagls should rape our country. You really should take the time to think about what you post, not just spew all kinds of bs! Do you have a degree in psychology? If not quit acting like you know what Im thinking!

You are a real piece of work, you know it?
Ho does it take HOURS for someone to pull out a green card and show it to a cop? For that matter, if they have a license and its not fake, I doubt the person would be detained.
And exactly what do you mean what kind of people you are dealing with? Just because we oppose your opinion we are stupid?????

Man I cant believe the bs Im reading! No were in my commints did I mention that I want illegals living here reaping the rewards of American citizens. I aggree we have a problem and I know this law would not do anything to prevent the problem. K, Normis, Mike, all jumped to conclusions, the conclusion that I want illegals here! why I dont know but it shows me what type of people Im dealing with! The problem I have with this law is, Tio Juan gets pulled over for a traffic violation. The cop ask him for his licence he gives it to him then he starts talking , the cop notice's the accent. Next thing you know hes being detained for hours cause the cop thinks he is illeagle! In my book thats a violation of his rights cause Tio Juan is an American citizen!

It sound like the only people pulling the race card is you guys! I know we have a problem and I two want this problem to stop but this law doesnt do anything to solve the problem. K I see you have a anger problem the post you made was purley on assumtion, the assumtion that I think illeagls should rape our country. You really should take the time to think about what you post, not just spew all kinds of bs! Do you have a degree in psychology? If not quit acting like you know what Im thinking!

First off, you KNOW this wouldn't do anything to solve the problem? Not even a little? There's no chance it would cause illegals to think twice about settling in AZ? Please offer a solution....haven't seen one from you yet.

From your first post in this thread:

Next its gonna be segregation for all my brown folk.

I sincerely apologize to you for my playing the race card :rolleyes:. Now that that's out of the way, go back and read what I have written. I'll even re-phrase it for you. Let's say I'm the same ethnicity as you....exactly the same. I sneak into your house, start eating your food, start using your medical supplies, run up your utility bills, and give my kids the school supplies you've worked so hard to provide for yours. What course of action would you take?

You are a real piece of work, you know it?
Ho does it take HOURS for someone to pull out a green card and show it to a cop? For that matter, if they have a license and its not fake, I doubt the person would be detained.
And exactly what do you mean what kind of people you are dealing with? Just because we oppose your opinion we are stupid?????

Normis did you just call yourself stupid, cause there isnt anywere in my post were I called you stupid? If you think that just caus Tio Juan has an ID and a green card that it will matter? The mentality is, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck its a duck, you said it yourself! I could care less if you dont aggree with me! What really ticks me off is how you and the others I mentioned are so quick to put words in my mouth!


First off, you KNOW this wouldn't do anything to solve the problem? Not even a little? There's no chance it would cause illegals to think twice about settling in AZ? Please offer a solution....haven't seen one from you yet.

From your first post in this thread:



I sincerely apologize to you for my playing the race card :rolleyes:. Now that that's out of the way, go back and read what I have written. I'll even re-phrase it for you. Let's say I'm the same ethnicity as you....exactly the same. I sneak into your house, start eating your food, start using your medical supplies, run up your utility bills, and give my kids the school supplies you've worked so hard to provide for yours. What course of action would you take?

Mike I dont accept you apology and your sarcasm isnt welcomed. I answerd your quistion you just didnt read it! Let me tell you again, I dont want illegals here! As for the answer to the big problem, like I said before, quit giving milk! If Americans quit hireing, paying for benefits they wouldnt come!

Mike I dont accept you apology and your sarcasm isnt welcomed. I answerd your quistion you just didnt read it! Let me tell you again, I dont want illegals here! As for the answer to the big problem, like I said before, quit giving milk! If Americans quit hireing, paying for benefits they wouldnt come!

Your first two posts on this topic are as follows in their entirety.

Screw this law.

Can someone tell me what an illegle looks like?

Next its gonna be segregation for all my brown folk.

Thats the problem pulling over someone because he has brown skin isnt what I call a violation of the law. What is a violation of my rights is being racialy profiled!

You follow that up with saying:


It sound like the only people pulling the race card is you guys!

And my sarcasm is unwelcomed?!?! That statement is borderline delusional.

When you say you answered my questions, is this the answer you were referring to? It's the only one I coould find.


I dont know if I should even respond to someone who just assume what I think.

If you really think that this law will solve the problem by all means aggree with the rest of the people who are scared.

I'll help you out. You would call the authorities and have me removed from your residence. But what happens when they process me and drop me off right back on your doorstep? Then what do you do? You do something...anything to get me out of your house, and it has nothing to do with skin color.

This nation's federal government does not have the will to enforce its immigration laws. It hasn't for years, and nobody disputes that. At the same time, when the states try and do something....anything to put a dent in it on the local level, they have to deal with a bunch of RACIST, yes, RACIST "brown people", as you so eloquently referred to yourself as, yelling and screaming about how their rights are being violated because of their skin color.

You want to know what's going to unite this nation? People like me, who are hard working, honest, Christian, common sense folks that are tired af being called racist for trying to protect our sovereignty. People like me are pretty pissed off that we are called racist over a law that was the direct result of an American citizen that was murdered on his land by illegal aliens that invaded it as though it belonged to them. You want to see this nation awaken to its founding principles like it hasn't in years? Keep spewing your bigoted BS. :yessir:

Normis did you just call yourself stupid, cause there isnt anywere in my post were I called you stupid? If you think that just caus Tio Juan has an ID and a green card that it will matter? The mentality is, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck its a duck, you said it yourself! I could care less if you dont aggree with me! What really ticks me off is how you and the others I mentioned are so quick to put words in my mouth!

Mike I dont accept you apology and your sarcasm isnt welcomed. I answerd your quistion you just didnt read it! Let me tell you again, I dont want illegals here! As for the answer to the big problem, like I said before, quit giving milk! If Americans quit hireing, paying for benefits they wouldnt come!
No I didnt call myself stupid but I am about to call you that. Nobody put anything in your mouth except you. I think Mike pointed it out quite clearly. Stop playing the oh woe is me because I am a minority crap because I dont buy it. I grew up in Texas where we had plenty of illegals and you can CLEARLY tell the difference. Get over yourself.

Your first two posts on this topic are as follows in their entirety.





You follow that up with saying:



And my sarcasm is unwelcomed?!?! That statement is borderline delusional.

When you say you answered my questions, is this the answer you were referring to? It's the only one I coould find.



I'll help you out. You would call the authorities and have me removed from your residence. But what happens when they process me and drop me off right back on your doorstep? Then what do you do? You do something...anything to get me out of your house, and it has nothing to do with skin color.

This nation's federal government does not have the will to enforce its immigration laws. It hasn't for years, and nobody disputes that. At the same time, when the states try and do something....anything to put a dent in it on the local level, they have to deal with a bunch of RACIST, yes, RACIST "brown people", as you so eloquently referred to yourself as, yelling and screaming about how their rights are being violated because of their skin color.

You want to know what's going to unite this nation? People like me, who are hard working, honest, Christian, common sense folks that are tired af being called racist for trying to protect our sovereignty. People like me are pretty pissed off that we are called racist over a law that was the direct result of an American citizen that was murdered on his land by illegal aliens that invaded it as though it belonged to them. You want to see this nation awaken to its founding principles like it hasn't in years? Keep spewing your bigoted BS. :yessir:

Mike I can see your angery, I think out of anger you are seeing what you want to see. I answered your quistion in plain sight on this page and its not the one you quoted! You see your whole argument about breaking into your house and so on doesnt work. Whats really happining is Ya there jumping the fence but after jumping the fence they are being welcomed with jobs not stealing anything! From the get you were assuming I wanted illegals to benafit from Americans and thats what bothers me about you, you have a habit of assuming what Im thinking, out of anger maybe?

No I didnt call myself stupid but I am about to call you that. Nobody put anything in your mouth except you. I think Mike pointed it out quite clearly. Stop playing the oh woe is me because I am a minority crap because I dont buy it. I grew up in Texas where we had plenty of illegals and you can CLEARLY tell the difference. Get over yourself.

Normis I dont even know If I should reply to this! So you say you can CLEARLY can tell the difference of an illegal from a Mexican-American caus you grew up in Texes? Will let me tell you Im Chicano and I cant even tell a Illegal from Mexican-Americans. Sound like you have some type of special powers that no one has, maybe you should become a cop in AZ, bet they wouldnt need that law with you on the beat!

Mike I can see your angery, I think out of anger you are seeing what you want to see. I answered your quistion in plain sight on this page and its not the one you quoted! You see your whole argument about breaking into your house and so on doesnt work. Whats really happining is Ya there jumping the fence but after jumping the fence they are being welcomed with jobs not stealing anything! From the get you were assuming I wanted illegals to benafit from Americans and thats what bothers me about you, you have a habit of assuming what Im thinking, out of anger maybe?


Angry? Not in general, but yes, I think I made it pretty clear that it makes me angry when people claim they are against illegal immigration, and then play the race card when a state tries to do something about it.

As far as them not stealing anything, I'm sure it's just coincidence that 20% of AZ's convicted felons are in the US illegally. I'm sure it's also a coincidence that 1 in 7 of all felony warrants are for people in the US illegally. No, they didn't steal. They stole, raped, murdered, assaulted, and smuggled. I feel so much better now :rolleyes:.

The fact is, you are using the same argument many in our federal government are. Arizona has been trying to crack down on illegals accross the boards...employers and all. You are basically arguing that because our federal government is doing nothing to stop illegal immigration and its causes, Arizona has no right to pass laws that will make Arizona a less attractive place for illegals.

i don't care who comes here, but if you do you need to learn english and pay taxes. I'm tired of folks that sit on their ass and get welfare and medicaid living off the US government when they are more than able to work. That goes for folks that live in the city, county, legal or illegal.

You don't work, you don't eat.....

Personally I don't think this goes far enough because the problem is not just about illegal immigration but rather an invasion of people from one country to cross the borders of another soveriegn nation and take it's reasources such as labor, money, welfare, etc.... all while remaining loyal to the country they originated from.


Man I love this place. So many people have working brains in their heads. :rockon::yessir:

Angry? Not in general, but yes, I think I made it pretty clear that it makes me angry when people claim they are against illegal immigration, and then play the race card when a state tries to do something about it.

As far as them not stealing anything, I'm sure it's just coincidence that 20% of AZ's convicted felons are in the US illegally. I'm sure it's also a coincidence that 1 in 7 of all felony warrants are for people in the US illegally. No, they didn't steal. They stole, raped, murdered, assaulted, and smuggled. I feel so much better now :rolleyes:.

The fact is, you are using the same argument many in our federal government are. Arizona has been trying to crack down on illegals accross the boards...employers and all. You are basically arguing that because our federal government is doing nothing to stop illegal immigration and its causes, Arizona has no right to pass laws that will make Arizona a less attractive place for illegals.


The law AZ passed isnt going to help so why come up with these types of laws, the only thing its doing is creating more problems! We could go in circles all day, I heard your arggument but frankly it doesnt add up. You know were I stand on this law and I have made my points, If you dont like them thats your problem.

Normis I dont even know If I should reply to this! So you say you can CLEARLY can tell the difference of an illegal from a Mexican-American caus you grew up in Texes? Will let me tell you Im Chicano and I cant even tell a Illegal from Mexican-Americans. Sound like you have some type of special powers that no one has, maybe you should become a cop in AZ, bet they wouldnt need that law with you on the beat!

Well lets see.... standing in front of a Lowes or Home depot waiting for someone to come by looking for cheap labor.... my guess would be they are illegal. You make it sound like you could NEVER tell if someone is illegal by looking at them. Can this be done with 100% accuracy? No. Thats why the cops now have the ability to ask for papers. When a cop pulls me over, he/she asks for drivers license. Should I be upset about that?????
And maybe I will become a cop in AZ. I would like to work for a guy like Joe Arpaio. The man definitely knows how prisoners should be treated! :yes:

The law AZ passed isnt going to help so why come up with these types of laws, the only thing its doing is creating more problems! We could go in circles all day, I heard your arggument but frankly it doesnt add up. You know were I stand on this law and I have made my points, If you dont like them thats your problem.

Yeah, you've made your point. This will never help....this will never work. The boat is sinking....we'll never be able to bail out all the water, so why even try? :dunno:

Well lets see.... standing in front of a Lowes or Home depot waiting for someone to come by looking for cheap labor.... my guess would be they are illegal. You make it sound like you could NEVER tell if someone is illegal by looking at them. Can this be done with 100% accuracy? No. Thats why the cops now have the ability to ask for papers. When a cop pulls me over, he/she asks for drivers license. Should I be upset about that?????
And maybe I will become a cop in AZ. I would like to work for a guy like Joe Arpaio. The man definitely knows how prisoners should be treated! :yes:

:yessir: If this country was being inundated with bald, pierced, tattooed, white guys, I don't think I'd have a problem being profiled to an extent.

Was having a discussion about this with one of the people at work. She was VERY against it, with racial profiling being her chief complaint. So I asked her... "Say an asian person walks in the front door right now, where are they going to go"? Instant answer.. "To the betta's". Boom, you just did it, end of argument.

Everyone talks about racial profiling like it's something new. HELLO... Legal or not racial profiling has been around forever. I'm white and grew up in the slums. ALL of the kids I grew-up with no matter where I lived were either black, mexican, pureto rican or some such other nationality. When I went anywhere with them, small group or large we ALL were "racially" profiled because of where we were from (neighborhood) or the way we talked or dressed. In later years I feel I was racially profiled because of my tattoo's. When I started riding with other bikers I/we were "racially" profiled because of our choice of transportation and or dress. This law is really nothing new. It's just putting some teeth into a dog that's been afraid to bark for fear of not being politically correct.

Everyone talks about racial profiling like it's something new. HELLO... Legal or not racial profiling has been around forever. I'm white and grew up in the slums. ALL of the kids I grew-up with no matter where I lived were either black, mexican, pureto rican or some such other nationality. When I went anywhere with them, small group or large we ALL were "racially" profiled because of where we were from (neighborhood) or the way we talked or dressed. In later years I feel I was racially profiled because of my tattoo's. When I started riding with other bikers I/we were "racially" profiled because of our choice of transportation and or dress. This law is really nothing new. It's just putting some teeth into a dog that's been afraid to bark for fear of not being politically correct.

Right on! :cheers:

Everyone talks about racial profiling like it's something new. HELLO... Legal or not racial profiling has been around forever. I'm white and grew up in the slums. ALL of the kids I grew-up with no matter where I lived were either black, mexican, pureto rican or some such other nationality. When I went anywhere with them, small group or large we ALL were "racially" profiled because of where we were from (neighborhood) or the way we talked or dressed. In later years I feel I was racially profiled because of my tattoo's. When I started riding with other bikers I/we were "racially" profiled because of our choice of transportation and or dress. This law is really nothing new. It's just putting some teeth into a dog that's been afraid to bark for fear of not being politically correct.

Bruce.... you da man bro! :cheers:

Everyone talks about racial profiling like it's something new. HELLO... Legal or not racial profiling has been around forever. I'm white and grew up in the slums. ALL of the kids I grew-up with no matter where I lived were either black, mexican, pureto rican or some such other nationality. When I went anywhere with them, small group or large we ALL were "racially" profiled because of where we were from (neighborhood) or the way we talked or dressed. In later years I feel I was racially profiled because of my tattoo's. When I started riding with other bikers I/we were "racially" profiled because of our choice of transportation and or dress. This law is really nothing new. It's just putting some teeth into a dog that's been afraid to bark for fear of not being politically correct.


Well said Bruce

It's just putting some teeth into a dog that's been afraid to bark for fear of not being politically correct.

:yes: Right on!!!