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JChandler 11-28-2008, 07:11 PM Here is what I do with my B. dubia roaches.
This is an offshoot of my original colony so right now they are just in an 18gal container but with in a few months they will be back into a larger container.
They have to have some air exchange so I use hardware cloth on the top mainly to keep anything out not to keep them in...
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I use foil tape around the top to keep any that can climb in the container, sometimes the little ones get some sort of static thing going and they can climb the sides.
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Right now with the furnace on for the winter the food and water can be close by, normally they are on separate sides since the food will mold fast around here in the summer. Mine all eat crushed dog food and for water I use the crystals. I keep the egg crates upright to avoid frass build up.
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Male
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Female
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I like these as an all around roach but they do need to be kept warm. I like to keep mine in the upper 80's but if you want the full potential of them I suggest keeping the floor of the container around 95-100, they will breed like rabbits.:lol:
Great info! What are you feeding them to?
JChandler 11-28-2008, 07:20 PM Great info! What are you feeding them to?
Right now just the tokay's and the breeder gargoyle and crested geckos. I originally got the colony when I had bearded dragons and tarantulas...:cheers:
Varanus99 11-28-2008, 07:30 PM Nice set up. I have Dubias myself.
Cant overstress the heat thing. They like it hot. I got my guys at around 95 and they produce. I noticed that if the Dubias get a little cool they slow waaaaaay down. The lobsters seem more tolerant. Not the Dubbies. From what I have observed they are more heat dependent.
Also they seem to like a little humidity. I spray them nightly. For a while there I had Dubbies munching on their freshly molted pals. I did a little reading and found out thats what they do when they are too dry. So I give'em a spritz and this anti-social behavior has ceased.
Roaches. They are the future! Resistance is futile!
tokaysunlimited 11-28-2008, 07:30 PM Just send some here if you get to many buddy!
Need to replenish my colony!:machinegun:
Sputnik 11-28-2008, 07:30 PM Good layout Jeff and some good info... :yessir:
JChandler 11-28-2008, 07:32 PM V that is the main reason for mine being down in the 80's right now...they are still producing but not at peak performance. I really don't need that many so I am just trying to keep them healthy and breeding a little...lol
I have never had issues with humidity and them personally but that is good information to keep in the back of my mind if I ever do.
Varanus99 11-28-2008, 07:41 PM V that is the main reason for mine being down in the 80's right now...they are still producing but not at peak performance. I really don't need that many so I am just trying to keep them healthy and breeding a little...lol
I have never had issues with humidity and them personally but that is good information to keep in the back of my mind if I ever do.
And you very well may never have that problem. I live up north, my guys are on the second floor of the house in a heated room and it gets kinda dry. So I mist. You may never have to, absolutely. Just throwing it out there for good measure. Nothing sadder then a bunch of pretty Dubia with chewed up wings :(
earthpig23 11-28-2008, 07:50 PM jeff that looks exactly like my setup...oh thats right got it from you lol
yeah they slowed and added some heat now they are back to rocking
I am tired of crickets and wonder if that would be a good alternative? All I have is a veild, crested, and a tarantula.......
earthpig23 11-28-2008, 07:58 PM I am tired of crickets and wonder if that would be a good alternative? All I have is a veild, crested, and a tarantula.......
yep they are awesome replacement for crix. Got mine in october from Jeff and so glad i did.
no noise much less stink and they seem to love em
Varanus99 11-28-2008, 08:22 PM I am tired of crickets and wonder if that would be a good alternative? All I have is a veild, crested, and a tarantula.......
Yes indeed. They are the other white meat :)
Try'em once you'll never go back. I still keep one bin of crix around for giggles but the bulk of my food is roaches. I keep lobsters and dubia.
The lobsters breed like wildfire so if you need a LOT of roaches they may be the way to go. They are also smaller than Dubbies as adults. BUT they can climb glass or sheer surfaces so you have to contain them. A ring of Vaseline around the top of the rim works. As does foil tape or products such as Bug Stop which is painted on and they cant cross it.
The Dubbies cant climb glass but dont reproduce quite as fast. But if you dont need an insane amount then they are fine. They also grow slower so you will have numerous sizes to choose from. I generally feed off the nymphs as they have a softer shell. Even a 1/2 grown Dubia nymph is bigger and meatier than a cricket.
There's a couple of other species out there but I consider the lobsters and Dubbies just fine for me. Some people prefer Discoids. Eh, Im pretty content with these two species.
JChandler 11-28-2008, 08:43 PM Phil they would be perfect as long as you can convince the veiled.
V I think the only thing that saves me on the humidity is the rats are in the same room as them so they add humidity to the room no matter how much dry air I pump into there...maybe an issue next year when I get the rats outside.
Mike you still owe me a container thanks for reminding me :lol:
Southern Wolf 11-28-2008, 08:48 PM Well at least now I know what Im doing wrong.... will have to rectify that shorty.
Currently I keep dubias, discoids, and giant hissers. Guess I need some more heat on the roaches to get production up. Im still having to rely on stinky crix.
Thanks for the info! I will have to look around at the show this weekend.....
earthpig23 11-28-2008, 09:14 PM Phil they would be perfect as long as you can convince the veiled.
V I think the only thing that saves me on the humidity is the rats are in the same room as them so they add humidity to the room no matter how much dry air I pump into there...maybe an issue next year when I get the rats outside.
Mike you still owe me a container thanks for reminding me :lol:
yeah i know i know lol fixing up one actually this weekend so you can have that one back LMAO
OK, I'm sold. If anybody has some excess set me up with a price on a gross of them buggars. PM me with the info :)
BryonsBoas 11-29-2008, 02:20 AM Our leo colony will be expanding Sunday / Monday. The Lolo is dead set that she WILL NOT touch a feeder roach or any other roach. I may have to set up a tub and start a colony and feed them myself.
Whats the growth rate / reproduction time set at 90 degrees for the Dubias ?
norsmis 11-29-2008, 06:34 AM Good question Bry! And I want to add another; Does anyone here feed their leos roaches?
JChandler 11-29-2008, 07:07 AM Okay it takes about 3-4 months for a baby to mature, once mature it takes 30 days of them carrying eggs (live birth) and each adult will give you about 30 babies every month....as far as total lifespan I have no clue....
If you bump the heat just a bit more you will get max growth and production.
I tied in the past to feed them to leos and had some that ate them and some that didn't and stuck with just mealworms. V has leo's to so he might have some other takes on this...
Varanus99 11-29-2008, 07:12 AM Our leo colony will be expanding Sunday / Monday. The Lolo is dead set that she WILL NOT touch a feeder roach or any other roach. I may have to set up a tub and start a colony and feed them myself.
Whats the growth rate / reproduction time set at 90 degrees for the Dubias ?
If kept at 90 degrees and fed well babies reach sexually maturity in 3-4 months. As adults they have a life span of 1-2 years.
The females will breed immediately once they are able LOL! Again, a lot depends on temperature. Gestation is about 30 days and then she will drop around 30 live young. And the process starts again.
I dont keep numbers but I started a Dubia colony about a year ago with 50 roaches. I couldnt even tell you how many I have now. And 50 is kinda small to get started but I already had the lobsters cranking so I wasnt in a hurry. The first couple of months is slow since you have to give the colony a chance to get going. After that its all math:
50 roaches, lets assume for the sake of arguement 25 are female, once they settle in will produce 30 young each (15 females) so 375 females. These girls need 3-4 months to mature. During that time the original females will breed again but lets leave them out of the picture for a moment. Our 375 females will produce 11,250 young of which lets say half are female and in three months those females will produce 168,750. And then from that 2,531,250. Scary, isnt it? Small wonder exterminators make good livings.
So in a realistic persepctive in 6-9 months you can easily have thousands. Maybe 10s of thousands. Just gotta give those first two generations a chance to mature. Then its every roach for himself.
During the first 6 months I wouldnt feed off any big females. You need them for breeding. But you can certainly feed off excess males. You dont need thousands of them. They just eat,take up space and make a mess. Like human males :lol:
JChandler 11-29-2008, 07:19 AM I should mention to that unless you buy someone's entire roach colony I wouldn't pull anything the first 2 months if there adult females in there....if there is no adult females like V said 6 months at least.
Varanus99 11-29-2008, 07:24 AM Good question Bry! And I want to add another; Does anyone here feed their leos roaches?
All my leos eat roaches with the exception of one.
Most of my breeders I got as either well started hatchlings or juvies. All had been fed mealworms prior to my aquiring them. I dont use mealworms. I gave them some cricket feedings to test the waters. The went to crickets no problem. Then I gave them appropriately sized roaches. No problem.
The babies I have hatched myself I start on roaches right out of the egg. No problem.
The only ones that gave me a little trouble are a trio I bought as adults. They had been fed mealworms their entire lives and were about 1 and 1/2 years old. They were a little reluctant at first. They would stare at the roach, chase it, smell it but not eat it. Kinda like "What is this weird thing?". I just let them get hungry and they started taking the roaches. Now they love them. Sometimes, when dealing with a picky pants, you may have to slow the roach down a little. Especially if they have become lazy and are used to eating mealworms out of a dish. This may sound cruel but sometimes Ill pinch the roach mid-body or snip off 3 of its legs. Yeah I know not nice but whatever a leo is going to do to that roach isnt much better. Once they are started you dont have to do that any more and they will snatch roaches as soon as they hit the bottom of the cage. If you've kept leos a while then you know that they learn that when the cage opens good chance of food and they come a'lookin'.
Now we come to the last holdout. I have a female mack snow who will not eat roaches. She eats crickets. I dont know why. EVENTUALLY I think I can get her over, she's coming close. She shows an interest in them now. Plus when the others eat roaches she comes over and watches them. Lizards do learn from each other. I think she'll kick in she's just taking her own sweet time.
If you have hatclings or juvies its easy. Adults sometimes take a little time.
Side note: Baby leos get big QUICK on roaches. Very meaty little buggers they are. I read some where that an adult roach is equal to 2-3 adult crickets of similar size in regards to meat/shell ratio. Good eatin'.
Mrs. Sputnik 11-29-2008, 09:27 AM Nice set up Jeff but you know you can keep them...NO more here+
bassett524 11-30-2008, 12:05 PM cool set up man... I've been having a hard time with my roach colonies here, had my lobsters going strong for 2-3 years but in the past few months I've been having large die offs of the juvis. They never make it to breeder age and I can't figure out why. Happened to two diff species here. very frustrating.
Varanus99 11-30-2008, 12:10 PM Thats very odd.
What exactly is happening? I mean I understand they are dying off but do you notice anything unusual?
Are the adults chewing on them? Or attacking them when they molt?
Could also be the food. I dont know what you're feeding them but if its too low in protein they may not make it to adulthood and may prey on each other. Thats probably not it if you've had the colony for years just throwin' it out there.
147BOAS 12-01-2008, 07:19 AM very nice that should work for crickets too
JChandler 12-01-2008, 07:22 AM Thanks Andrew, I wouldn't let them go for 6 months with crickets though...lol
Yeah Liz no more roaches...:lol:
Mike by large die offs I am assuming your not feeding them all off so they are dying so I am with V and double check the food....if not that make sure the neighbors aren't spraying for bugs. Can't see them needing new blood so soon but you never know.
BryonsBoas 12-01-2008, 05:20 PM OK , with the addition of 23 leos , a Dubia colony will soon be in the works. The Lolo won't be feeding them anytime soon so I'll be feeding off the roaches until she gets over herself.
Varanus99 12-01-2008, 05:29 PM OK , with the addition of 23 leos , a Dubia colony will soon be in the works. The Lolo won't be feeding them anytime soon so I'll be feeding off the roaches until she gets over herself.
:lol:
You mean in addition to dealing with the snakes that bite and building all the equipment? You're a swell fella.
Larry 12-01-2008, 05:50 PM Hey guys what about Leos? I've been feeding my leos mealies but the mealies seem to be pretty slow to reproduce. Do these dubbies smell any? Thats one thing good about the mealies there is pretty much zero smell.
I would think the roaches may stimulate the leos a little better than mealies do? What do you thinK?
**Never mind I missed page two of this thread**
Varanus99 12-01-2008, 05:55 PM I saw the nevermind but I cant help responding, Boss.
Dubbies have zero smell. No lie. I mean unless of course you dont clean them out for like...I dont know..a year? LOL!
My leos go for the roaches. I never use mealworms so I cant say if they will go more gaga for roaches than mealies. But a roach, I think, is a heck of a better meal than a worm. Not much to a worm really.
BryonsBoas 12-01-2008, 05:59 PM :lol:
You mean in addition to dealing with the snakes that bite and building all the equipment? You're a swell fella.
Yup, I'm that kind of stupid. Its that or we order 4,000 or so mealies every month until I have 12 mealie tubs going full blast.
Varanus99 12-01-2008, 06:05 PM Yup, I'm that kind of stupid. Its that or we order 4,000 or so mealies every month until I have 12 mealie tubs going full blast.
12 mealie tubs sounds awful to me. Id rather have one roach bin. But hey, Im weird like that.
BryonsBoas 12-01-2008, 08:41 PM I'm after whatever breeds the most at this point. I don't mind the mealies but if the roaches keep the leos fed , then I'll be a fan.
JChandler 12-01-2008, 08:50 PM Yeah at about 6 months you can start to smell them...not bad but some odor.
The thing is the food, got to keep the food away from any moisture and your fine.
Varanus99 12-01-2008, 09:40 PM I'm after whatever breeds the most at this point. I don't mind the mealies but if the roaches keep the leos fed , then I'll be a fan.
If you want fast breeders than go for lobsters. They are more prolific than dubias. And the adults stay a little smaller. They breed like wildfire.
I have to cull mine back just to keep them under control.
The only drawback is they can climb sheer surface. But this is easily taken care of with foil tape, vaseline, Bug Stop or harsh language.
You wont have any problem feeding 30 or so geckos with one bin of lobsters. No problem at all.
JChandler 12-01-2008, 10:19 PM Lobsters will feed alot but they are pure evil :devil:
Varanus99 12-01-2008, 10:30 PM Lobsters will feed alot but they are pure evil :devil:
Tish tosh I love my lobsters! They are fabulous little roaches! Soft bodies, they dont get too big as adults, breed like crazy and a hand grenade couldnt kill them.
Support Your Local Lobster Roach!
JChandler 12-01-2008, 10:38 PM Tish tosh I love my lobsters! They are fabulous little roaches! Soft bodies, they dont get too big as adults, breed like crazy and a hand grenade couldnt kill them.
Support Your Local Lobster Roach!
I am not lying when I tell you I had lobsters once, feed them to bearded dragons. I got rid of the lobsters so I cleaned out the tank to get rid of any holdouts, took the piece of wood out to the garage/shed and it sat there all winter below freezing. That piece of wood still had live lobsters in it after the winter....how I don't know but it did. Scared me into not keeping them anymore...lol
Varanus99 12-01-2008, 10:44 PM I am not lying when I tell you I had lobsters once, feed them to bearded dragons. I got rid of the lobsters so I cleaned out the tank to get rid of any holdouts, took the piece of wood out to the garage/shed and it sat there all winter below freezing. That piece of wood still had live lobsters in it after the winter....how I don't know but it did. Scared me into not keeping them anymore...lol
Thats amazing. Lobsters usually shut down once they get below 70. If it was below freezing I have no idea how they survived. When Ive culled some of mine off I freeze them and they dont come back. Maybe you had a super strain? :)
JChandler 12-01-2008, 10:46 PM Thats amazing. Lobsters usually shut down once they get below 70. If it was below freezing I have no idea how they survived. When Ive culled some of mine off I freeze them and they dont come back. Maybe you had a super strain? :)
No I just think somehow it didn't get as cold as I thought it did in there. It wasn't all winter but only the tail end of a couple weeks. It does make for a better story if they survived the entire winter in a cold and dark garage...lol
Varanus99 12-01-2008, 10:48 PM Ooooh..
Well if they were just a little chilly then sure they can go a couple weeks in bad conditions. And if its cold they wont need to eat very much if at all. They are roaches after all. Hard to Kill!
JChandler 12-01-2008, 10:53 PM Ooooh..
Well if they were just a little chilly then sure they can go a couple weeks in bad conditions. And if its cold they wont need to eat very much if at all. They are roaches after all. Hard to Kill!
They are roaches but evil death defying ones at that...and they climb anything. :lol:
papaK 12-02-2008, 01:06 AM Another good option for roaches that can't climb glass or smooth surfaces is blatta lateralis. they are a little smaller than dubia which is good for leos and other geckos. they lay egg cases that hatch out in a few weeks. when i bred leos the last few years i started with a colony of about 100 adults and had enough supply to feed 40+ geckos in a few months. they move pretty quickly but it really seemed to stimulate a feeding response.... some of my leos would go nuts during feeding time which was pretty cool! it's nice to have whatever size you need all the time... especially for small hatchlings.
JChandler 12-02-2008, 07:04 AM I have heard good things about blatta lateralis, fast as hell to but good....might have to hit up someone for some of those for the baby gargs here, size seems better even though they like their prey larger.
bassett524 12-02-2008, 12:43 PM Thats very odd.
What exactly is happening? I mean I understand they are dying off but do you notice anything unusual?
Are the adults chewing on them? Or attacking them when they molt?
Could also be the food. I dont know what you're feeding them but if its too low in protein they may not make it to adulthood and may prey on each other. Thats probably not it if you've had the colony for years just throwin' it out there.
Thanks Andrew, I wouldn't let them go for 6 months with crickets though...lol
Yeah Liz no more roaches...:lol:
Mike by large die offs I am assuming your not feeding them all off so they are dying so I am with V and double check the food....if not that make sure the neighbors aren't spraying for bugs. Can't see them needing new blood so soon but you never know.
I feed them a bit of everything. They get fruits and veggies, typical gut load roach food, plus crushed up other foods we have extra of at work (hamster, bird, critical care, etc.) There shouldn't be too much of a protein issue I would think.
I've been rather confused by it. I stopped feeding them for a while. I have thousands of nymphs and what not under a centimeter, but for some reason no more than 15-20 adults left. I think sometime this week I'm going to completely clean the cage out, and get all new egg crate and such.
Gator 12-02-2008, 12:46 PM I'm not really a gecko-or lizard guy-but I love the stuff I learn just wandering around the boards! I thought roaches would be too big for geckoes! Shows what I know...:lol: great setup :yourock:
Varanus99 12-02-2008, 05:36 PM I'm not really a gecko-or lizard guy-but I love the stuff I learn just wandering around the boards! I thought roaches would be too big for geckoes! Shows what I know...:lol: great setup :yourock:
The nice thing about roaches is they breed a lot and they grow slowly. Well, not slowly but much slower than a cricket. So you always have whatever size you need!
Big lizard get big roach. Small lizard get small roach. Its a buffet.
Varanus99 12-02-2008, 05:38 PM I feed them a bit of everything. They get fruits and veggies, typical gut load roach food, plus crushed up other foods we have extra of at work (hamster, bird, critical care, etc.) There shouldn't be too much of a protein issue I would think.
I've been rather confused by it. I stopped feeding them for a while. I have thousands of nymphs and what not under a centimeter, but for some reason no more than 15-20 adults left. I think sometime this week I'm going to completely clean the cage out, and get all new egg crate and such.
That sounds like a really good idea. And something I completely overlooked. Shame on me. But thoroughly cleaning the cage and getting fresh crates sounds like a plan.
BryonsBoas 12-02-2008, 07:09 PM Dubias I can get fairly easily. We have 55 - 57 leos in our colony now so any other roach species anyone would care to recommend?
Varanus99 12-02-2008, 07:27 PM As JC mentioned Ive heard good things around the water cooler about blatta lateralis. I did a little reading on them. Supposedly they are faster than lobster roaches. Oof! Thats some speed right there. And they drop egg cases instead of stuffing the egg case back into a special baby pouch like some other species. I dont know how well that would work. Supposedly they are prolific breeders, though. And they dont climb glass.
A lot of folks also like the discoids (Blaberus discoidales). They do not climb and are fairly good breeders. Similar to the Dubia in many ways. Discoids get a little bigger as adults.
My favorite (Look out JC here it comes!) are lobster roaches. Everyone makes a big deal about the fact that they can climb glass. This is so easy to take care of its not even funny. I have thousands upon thousands of them and so far I have had one...count'em one..escapee. And he was apprehended. All you need is a ring of SOMETHING around the top of the bin to keep them in check. Foil tape, vaseline, Bug Stop, whatever suits your fancy.
And do they breed? Hell yeah they do. And they have a very soft body. Good meat with a soft shell. Mmhmmm good.
Here's something else. If you put some roaches in a container with vitamins/calcium and shake'em up the powder seems to cling to their feet and for whatever reason they cant climb very well any more! Ha!
I will defend my beloved lobsters to the end. I bought like 50 of them 2 years ago and Im still working out of that original stock. Ive had to cull them back a few times because they were breeding out of control. They eat anything. I love the little bastards.
BryonsBoas 12-02-2008, 07:37 PM Let me know next you cull back , I wouldn't mind giving the Lobsters a shot too.
Varanus99 12-02-2008, 07:44 PM Let me know next you cull back , I wouldn't mind giving the Lobsters a shot too.
Sure thing Bry. I actually just recently cleaned house. They will replenish themselves in about a month give or take. Then Im sure Ill have a 500-1000 or so I can throw your way.
JChandler 12-02-2008, 07:45 PM As JC mentioned Ive heard good things around the water cooler about blatta lateralis. I did a little reading on them. Supposedly they are faster than lobster roaches. Oof! Thats some speed right there. And they drop egg cases instead of stuffing the egg case back into a special baby pouch like some other species. I dont know how well that would work. Supposedly they are prolific breeders, though. And they dont climb glass.
A lot of folks also like the discoids (Blaberus discoidales). They do not climb and are fairly good breeders. Similar to the Dubia in many ways. Discoids get a little bigger as adults.
My favorite (Look out JC here it comes!) are lobster roaches. Everyone makes a big deal about the fact that they can climb glass. This is so easy to take care of its not even funny. I have thousands upon thousands of them and so far I have had one...count'em one..escapee. And he was apprehended. All you need is a ring of SOMETHING around the top of the bin to keep them in check. Foil tape, vaseline, Bug Stop, whatever suits your fancy.
And do they breed? Hell yeah they do. And they have a very soft body. Good meat with a soft shell. Mmhmmm good.
Here's something else. If you put some roaches in a container with vitamins/calcium and shake'em up the powder seems to cling to their feet and for whatever reason they cant climb very well any more! Ha!
I will defend my beloved lobsters to the end. I bought like 50 of them 2 years ago and Im still working out of that original stock. Ive had to cull them back a few times because they were breeding out of control. They eat anything. I love the little bastards.
V I have no real issues with lobsters...just busting your ummmm chops since you kind of lead off with some sort of liking to them...lol
I had a beautiful colony of discoids but damn are they slow at breeding, took to long and I am way to impatient.
Faster than lobsters, man I got some reading to do...
Varanus99 12-02-2008, 07:52 PM V I have no real issues with lobsters...just busting your ummmm chops since you kind of lead off with some sort of liking to them...lol
I had a beautiful colony of discoids but damn are they slow at breeding, took to long and I am way to impatient.
Faster than lobsters, man I got some reading to do...
I know man no worries. Im a lobby lover, no doubt.
Ive heard mixed reviews of Discoids. Some say they are fairly good breeders. But I guess its releative to how you define "fairly". Others have said they are slow starters but once established do ok. And others have said they are too slow for their needs no matter how you look at it. I know they are a large roach and large roaches take longer to get up to adult size sooo...
Yeah the latterallis supposedly can move faster than lobsters. Thats crazy. If thats true I dont want them. The lobsters are fast enough thank you kindly. Unlike the Dubbies. They are the tortoises of the roach world. And they feign death sometimes if disturbed. Heh. Its kinda funny. They play dead and the lizard stares at them waiting for them to move. Which they eventually do and then, well, you know the end result.
bassett524 12-02-2008, 11:16 PM My favorite (Look out JC here it comes!) are lobster roaches. Everyone makes a big deal about the fact that they can climb glass. This is so easy to take care of its not even funny. I have thousands upon thousands of them and so far I have had one...count'em one..escapee. And he was apprehended. All you need is a ring of SOMETHING around the top of the bin to keep them in check. Foil tape, vaseline, Bug Stop, whatever suits your fancy.
And do they breed? Hell yeah they do. And they have a very soft body. Good meat with a soft shell. Mmhmmm good.
I will defend my beloved lobsters to the end. I bought like 50 of them 2 years ago and Im still working out of that original stock. Ive had to cull them back a few times because they were breeding out of control. They eat anything. I love the little bastards.
I'm right there with ya, despite the problems I've had recently I'll defend the lobster roaches to my death. I've tried multiple diff species and they're my favorite. I had some larger death heads for a while but breeding so many with only a couple animals large enough to eat them seems pointless so I sold em off.
as for the lobsters climbing. its rare. Typically they only climb when they're scared or can't find anything to hide under. I never see them on the sides of my tubs. I have a thin layer of vasaline I rarely replenish and the only escapees I've had are ones I've dropped when feeding. I don't even use a lid. These guys are so colony oriented that even if one or two do get by, you'll typically see them crawling around the bottom of the tub trying to get back with the colony. softer exoskeleton is a major plus for the tiny Sthenodactylus I have too.
also, if you have tiny things to feed you can separate nymphs easily if you use corregated cardboard, or like the cat-scratching cardboard type things, and the nymphs all hid in there.. simply pick it up, give a few taps, and you've got tiny tiny roaches for baby geckos.
Varanus99 12-02-2008, 11:29 PM I'm right there with ya, despite the problems I've had recently I'll defend the lobster roaches to my death. I've tried multiple diff species and they're my favorite. I had some larger death heads for a while but breeding so many with only a couple animals large enough to eat them seems pointless so I sold em off.
as for the lobsters climbing. its rare. Typically they only climb when they're scared or can't find anything to hide under. I never see them on the sides of my tubs. I have a thin layer of vasaline I rarely replenish and the only escapees I've had are ones I've dropped when feeding. I don't even use a lid. These guys are so colony oriented that even if one or two do get by, you'll typically see them crawling around the bottom of the tub trying to get back with the colony. softer exoskeleton is a major plus for the tiny Sthenodactylus I have too.
also, if you have tiny things to feed you can separate nymphs easily if you use corregated cardboard, or like the cat-scratching cardboard type things, and the nymphs all hid in there.. simply pick it up, give a few taps, and you've got tiny tiny roaches for baby geckos.
Another good point and absolutely correct. They only climb when disturbed. I think some folks may be under the impression that they are constantly climbing the walls (literally) trying to get out. Thats just not the case. They are in the egg crates or eating. When I rustle them up then yeah they run every where including up the walls. Then they hit the bug stop and whoops! Down they go. End of story.
Oh and that one guy I mentioned who escaped? He was on top of the bin trying to squeeze back in through the screen. No lie. Thats how I found him so easily. They want to be in a group. They arent loners.
Desert 12-29-2008, 08:45 PM As JC mentioned Ive heard good things around the water cooler about blatta lateralis. I did a little reading on them. Supposedly they are faster than lobster roaches. Oof! Thats some speed right there. And they drop egg cases instead of stuffing the egg case back into a special baby pouch like some other species. I dont know how well that would work. Supposedly they are prolific breeders, though. And they dont climb glass.
I posted around here somewhere about my experience with breeding them and regards their tolerance of extreme heat. I'll add that yesterday I saw one cruising around on the ground in the evening, it was only about 55 F out. They are amazing insects. B lateralis are tough as nails.
Does anyone here feed them to their lizards?
PS I've bred Nauphoeta and the lateralis breed more quickly.
Desert 01-04-2009, 07:30 PM re Blatta lateralis roaches
Does anyone here feed them to their lizards?
Thought I'd give this a nudge as my question remains. Any comments from people using these as food? Does anyone here use this species as food for any animal?
Varanus99 01-04-2009, 07:38 PM re Blatta lateralis roaches
Thought I'd give this a nudge as my question remains. Any comments from people using these as food? Does anyone here use this species as food for any animal?
Well I dont as Im already set up with breeding colonies of lobsters, dubia and crickets.
But I wouldnt hesitate to feed lateralis to my animals. Aside from their speed I see no negatives to using them as a food source.
FloridaHogs 01-04-2009, 07:40 PM Ewwwwwww....roaches......
Varanus99 01-04-2009, 07:41 PM Ewwwwwww....roaches......
They are the new white meat. Get used to it everybody. They aint going any where :D
FloridaHogs 01-04-2009, 07:46 PM no, No, NO!!!! Anything but roaches!!!
Varanus99 01-04-2009, 07:53 PM no, No, NO!!!! Anything but roaches!!!
You're saying I should unpack the Congratulations for making Captain gift I had ready for you?
Damn...I even painted a "J" on their backs. All that work for nothing...
Oh well, c'mon guys. Back in the bin :(
FloridaHogs 01-04-2009, 07:58 PM Note to self: Do not open any boxes from V!!!!!!!!!!
Varanus99 01-04-2009, 08:00 PM Note to self: Do not open any boxes from V!!!!!!!!!!
:devil::devil::devil:
Dont worry you're safe. You're in Florida. Roaches are a no no there. If I send roaches Ill wind up in a cell with a guy named Bubba who wants to dance with me. Just not worth it.
FloridaHogs 01-04-2009, 08:01 PM :devil::devil::devil:
Dont worry you're safe. You're in Florida. Roaches are a no no there. If I send roaches Ill wind up in a cell with a guy named Bubba who wants to dance with me. Just not worth it.
**breaths a huge sigh of relief**
Southern Wolf 01-04-2009, 09:20 PM Newsflash.... bubba dont want to dance
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