So. Will Obama's first act as our new president January 20th be to fire ALL the US attorneys? This will conveniently remove Fitzgerald who is working on the apparent abundance of crooked politicians in Illinois. These crooked politicians who just like William Ayers, seem to live in Obama's neighborhood, well except Obama's closest fund raiser Rezko, who is already in the slammer, and just like Ayers and Rezko, Obama didn't know anything about what these guys were up to.

Let me say this; I sincerely hope there is absolutely no involvement by Obama in any way with any of these crooks in Illinois government. Further, I hope they are able to determine that very very quickly! I think this is so very important. Not so important that we should overlook it if he is involved, as many will try to say, but still very important for the country. You see, the main stream media will not care if Obama is involved. The vast majority of the people that voted for him will not care if Obama is involved. We have enough problems as a nation as it is already and don't need the division that will inevitably occur if he is implicated. We need to get this puppy turned around and our current President has don't absolutely nothing in the past two months to help keep us from becoming the socialist nation that I have feared we have been moving toward for some time.

So what's he going to do?

1. First act will be to Fire all US attorneys including and especially Fitzgerald in an attempt to delay the investigation.
2. First act will be to Pardon Resko and everybody else involved in crooked Illinois politics, all in the interest of what's best for the country.
3. First act will be to pay off the UAW union and send all the money to the automakers that they want. This despite the fact that they are unable to make money because their costs are too high and they don't make a product that the American people want to pay more for more than the world's other automakers.
4. First act will be to have a HUGE party! Kind of like Nero did while Rome burned.
5. First act will be none of the above.

My vote is for #3 then #4 - I don't think he has the balls for #2 and #5 will come shortly after #1. :yessir:

I thought his first act was to replace the bowling alley with a basketball court??? Thats what he said on tv anyway.....

I am glad they are finally busting these crooked SOBs here in Illinois. Blago was about as crooked as a question mark. He shut down state parks that were PROFITABLE on the grounds they needed to save money. Truth is someone probably pissed him off and shut them down out of spite.
And I hope they shave his head in jail... I hate his freaking hair....

I see there being a HUGE party in the streets in DC and across the country. Hell somebody over there is trying to make it so that the bars can stay open til 5AM in DC on his innauguration night.

40 OZs for everybody!

His first act will be to pardon Resko and if they can get charges on Blego fast enough along with all his other criminal associates (You know he's got alot more than the ones we KNOW about, it is Chicago after all). However, this will be while the people who have come to DC are having a party AND burning down the city. The UAW will be banging on his door, pissed that he allowed the Senate Republicans to filibuster the auto bailout (we can hope). I don't know if he will actually fire any of the US Attorneys, but with his appointment to the Department of Justice, who knows, it may end up happening.

I thought his first act was to replace the bowling alley with a basketball court??? Thats what he said on tv anyway.....

I am glad they are finally busting these crooked SOBs here in Illinois. Blago was about as crooked as a question mark. He shut down state parks that were PROFITABLE on the grounds they needed to save money. Truth is someone probably pissed him off and shut them down out of spite.
And I hope they shave his head in jail... I hate his freaking hair....

i think the ridicule they'll thrust upon him for sporting that doo is a far worst punishment. they'll put a dress on him and ask him to coo like the porky fruitbucket he is. then he'll be tossin' salads like a five-star chef...
of course, we needn't disillusion ourselves, he's going to a country club to do his "time".
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Y8SARSmU

On a serious note, it seems that Obama has got to be the most naive person on the planet. I mean, he was made in Chicago politics, and if he doesn't know what these people are about, he's an idiot. I really don't understand how people can really think that there is all this corruption surrounding Obama, and that none of it has touched him. That he is so pure, that he didn't even know it was going on around him, and he had nothing to do with any of it, despite evidence of his land deal with Rezko, getting his wife a high paid job, his associations with Ayers, him funneling earmarks to Rezko, Ayers, Flagher, and Khalid Rashidi. I mean come on. Are the American people really that stupid?

I really hope he isn't involved in this particular scandal, but his actions and speech haven't given me much hope that he isn't. I really can't imagine an incoming president would DARE do anything to jeapordize his office such as this, but who would have thought the governor would be so blatant about it either? This is Chicago politics, and corruption is how things work there. I guess this is just how they roll, and they assume they will get away with it. It's just very sad, and a VERY sad time in our nations history. We are really starting to look more and more like a socialist nation everyday. We are nationalizing industries left and right, we have the media spreading propaganda and withholding news. And it seems like people's answers to everything these days is, let the government take it over. This is madness, I tell you, madness! Ok. I'm done on my rant. This is probably incoherent, as I had to stop for a meeting halfway through, but I'm not going back to figure out what my train of thought was beforehand. So this is what you get. lol

On a serious note, it seems that Obama has got to be the most naive person on the planet. I mean, he was made in Chicago politics, and if he doesn't know what these people are about, he's an idiot. I really don't understand how people can really think that there is all this corruption surrounding Obama, and that none of it has touched him. That he is so pure, that he didn't even know it was going on around him, and he had nothing to do with any of it, despite evidence of his land deal with Rezko, getting his wife a high paid job, his associations with Ayers, him funneling earmarks to Rezko, Ayers, Flagher, and Khalid Rashidi. I mean come on. Are the American people really that stupid?

I really hope he isn't involved in this particular scandal, but his actions and speech haven't given me much hope that he isn't. I really can't imagine an incoming president would DARE do anything to jeapordize his office such as this, but who would have thought the governor would be so blatant about it either? This is Chicago politics, and corruption is how things work there. I guess this is just how they roll, and they assume they will get away with it. It's just very sad, and a VERY sad time in our nations history. We are really starting to look more and more like a socialist nation everyday. We are nationalizing industries left and right, we have the media spreading propaganda and withholding news. And it seems like people's answers to everything these days is, let the government take it over. This is madness, I tell you, madness! Ok. I'm done on my rant. This is probably incoherent, as I had to stop for a meeting halfway through, but I'm not going back to figure out what my train of thought was beforehand. So this is what you get. lol

I hate to say it but he's the media and the liberals damn "golden child" he can do no wrong because he's going to "save us all" from the people in power.
But we'll see what actually happens with this. I think it could just be the tip of the iceberg. I mean really, Whitewater started before Clinton (the pompous ass) took office.

On a serious note, it seems that Obama has got to be the most naive person on the planet. I mean, he was made in Chicago politics, and if he doesn't know what these people are about, he's an idiot. I really don't understand how people can really think that there is all this corruption surrounding Obama, and that none of it has touched him. That he is so pure, that he didn't even know it was going on around him, and he had nothing to do with any of it, despite evidence of his land deal with Rezko, getting his wife a high paid job, his associations with Ayers, him funneling earmarks to Rezko, Ayers, Flagher, and Khalid Rashidi. I mean come on. Are the American people really that stupid?

I really hope he isn't involved in this particular scandal, but his actions and speech haven't given me much hope that he isn't. I really can't imagine an incoming president would DARE do anything to jeapordize his office such as this, but who would have thought the governor would be so blatant about it either? This is Chicago politics, and corruption is how things work there. I guess this is just how they roll, and they assume they will get away with it. It's just very sad, and a VERY sad time in our nations history. We are really starting to look more and more like a socialist nation everyday. We are nationalizing industries left and right, we have the media spreading propaganda and withholding news. And it seems like people's answers to everything these days is, let the government take it over. This is madness, I tell you, madness! Ok. I'm done on my rant. This is probably incoherent, as I had to stop for a meeting halfway through, but I'm not going back to figure out what my train of thought was beforehand. So this is what you get. lol

I don't think Obama is stupid. Not stupid at all. I think there are a number of possibilities.

- The prosecutor is talking to Rezko again. I wonder what information Rezko, Obama's number one supporter and fund raiser, who is in the slammer, will have for the prosecutor?

- In times such as this, sometimes people don't live long enough to see the full outcome. They meet with "accidents" or unexpectedly commit "suicide".

- Bush, who we mostly now agree is a horrible President, due to his seemingly turning socialist, could very well give all involved a preemptive "pardon" for the "good of the country". It could happen as he has now completely left any semblance of conservatism.

Still I hope, though I don't believe Obama is stupid, I hope that he was just sheltered from the facts. The facts that apparently every single individual in Democratic Illinois politics that he worked with along the way is a crook. I hope he is the only honest one in the bunch, but I must say, at this point, that does seem like it might be a stretch.

By the way, don't expect honest reporting about this from the media regardless of how serious this all looks. Remember, it's all about the end result. Whatever means are necessary, to achieve the end result is just fine with them.

I really don't much like the sound of "President Bidden" either...

I didn't actually mean to imply that Obama is stupid. My post was more to point out how ridiculous his supporters seem to be as to think he is that naive. He is not stupid, not in the slightest. I highly doubt Obama is anywhere close to being the cleanest one in Illinois politics. He MAY not have anything to do with the auctioning of his seat, but that is just one thing of many. Will Rezko sing about Obama? Who knows. He may be expecting a pardon from him some point down the line. Or, you may be right, and Bush may pardon the bunch of em. You know, up until a few months ago. But all this crap of late has really put a really bad end on an otherwise decent presidency. I strongly disagree with the patriot act and FISA stuff, but his tax cuts to stimulate the economy after 9/11 really did pick up the economy. He managed to keep the nation pretty stable considering we're fighting 2 wars. But come on. What the hell has he been thinking lately? Why in the hell would he appoint Paulson to be Sec of Treasury? If it weren't for him pushing these economic "plans", no republican would have supported them, well maybe if there are any in Michigan, but I kinda doubt there are any. Oh well. I guess we'll see what happens.

I don't think Obama is stupid. Not stupid at all. I think there are a number of possibilities.

- The prosecutor is talking to Rezko again. I wonder what information Rezko, Obama's number one supporter and fund raiser, who is in the slammer, will have for the prosecutor?

- In times such as this, sometimes people don't live long enough to see the full outcome. They meet with "accidents" or unexpectedly commit "suicide".

- Bush, who we mostly now agree is a horrible President, due to his seemingly turning socialist, could very well give all involved a preemptive "pardon" for the "good of the country". It could happen as he has now completely left any semblance of conservatism.

Still I hope, though I don't believe Obama is stupid, I hope that he was just sheltered from the facts. The facts that apparently every single individual in Democratic Illinois politics that he worked with along the way is a crook. I hope he is the only honest one in the bunch, but I must say, at this point, that does seem like it might be a stretch.

By the way, don't expect honest reporting about this from the media regardless of how serious this all looks. Remember, it's all about the end result. Whatever means are necessary, to achieve the end result is just fine with them.

I really don't much like the sound of "President Bidden" either...

I say "Other". Send everyone a $5,000 stimulus check... I can dream, right?

None of the above. The first thing he's gonna do when he gets in the whitehouse is go skipping down the hall screaming, "Mine, It's all mine!!!"

I say "Other". Send everyone a $5,000 stimulus check... I can dream, right?

I really hope you are joking around.

If not it just goes back to the whole "let the government take care of me" mentality. Too many people with that frame of mind. They need to start taking care of themselves and thinking for themselves.

I really hope you are joking around.

If not it just goes back to the whole "let the government take care of me" mentality. Too many people with that frame of mind. They need to start taking care of themselves and thinking for themselves.

yes, obviously joking...my taxes already pay for plenty of other people :machinegun:

yes, obviously joking...my taxes already pay for plenty of other people :machinegun:


Good to know. :lol:

None of the above. The first thing he's gonna do when he gets in the whitehouse is go skipping down the hall screaming, "Mine, It's all mine!!!"

Your probably right I can that happening as well!!!

Good Lord, it's nice to finally come to a forum where the majority of the people posting share my frame of mind! I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am very nervous about the next 4-8 years! In fact I was thinking about this last night, this man will very likely be the president until I turn 40 years old. My entire 30's will be during the reign of a European socialist that wants the government to take care of everyone and make resources so freaking expensive that no one will be able to afford to enjoy life. I'll be honest, after hearing what one of his groupies said about "the US should keep their gas prices around the same price as Europe to make things fair" about made me throw my TV out the front door. It didn't help that when I saw that gas prices jumped .13 over night I had to think that it's going to get really bad really fast.

One thing people don't realize about the difference between us and Europe as far as gas prices and it's affordability to the public is that in Europe and other industrial countries minimum wage starts at about nine bucks an hour, at least for skilled trades. Because of this difference in wages they can better afford a higher price. Besides they've lived with it for many years already, and learned to adjust.JMHO

Quig

Good Lord, it's nice to finally come to a forum where the majority of the people posting share my frame of mind! I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am very nervous about the next 4-8 years! In fact I was thinking about this last night, this man will very likely be the president until I turn 40 years old. My entire 30's will be during the reign of a European socialist that wants the government to take care of everyone and make resources so freaking expensive that no one will be able to afford to enjoy life. I'll be honest, after hearing what one of his groupies said about "the US should keep their gas prices around the same price as Europe to make things fair" about made me throw my TV out the front door. It didn't help that when I saw that gas prices jumped .13 over night I had to think that it's going to get really bad really fast.

It's ridiculous. It's happening all across the country. Somehow people have come to think in a socialist mentality, and it doesn't make any sense to me.

My wife and I had been living in my mother's house here alone until a couple months ago when my mother and sister moved in. Previously, I had paid all the bills and the mortgage payment for the house, but now, my wife and I have been forced to move into the basement (It's not a grimey normal basement, but still, it's the basement) and my sister told my wife last night that since I earn more money, I should pay a larger percentage of the bills, so it would be "fair". It just drives me nuts how people expect ANYONE else to take care of them these days except themselves. It really makes me want to smack people upside the head and ask them "what the hell are you thinking?". We've got liberals trying to scare people by telling them this is the worst economy since the depression so that people will be willing to go along with their agenda if they promise to fix things. The only way out of this mess is the way Reagan got us out of the double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment of the Carter years. Get government out of the way and cut taxes. We have the government basically printing money that has NO VALUE now. We've got interest rates cut to the point where it doesn't cost ANYTHING to borrow money. We are going to see a serious collapse of the dollar and ridiculous inflation like Zimbabwe if we don't convince our elected officials they are the ones screwing everything up, and every bandaid they come up with to fix something pushes us further into problems.

Sorry about that rant. I'm very angry today about my living situation. My mom has been going out and spending money on TV's and crap while letting the water get turned off and the only words I every hear out her mouth are asking me for a check to "help out". I'm tired of enabling irresponsible behavior, and the situation I have at home is the same thing I see in the country, with banks and companies asking to be bailed out of irresponsible and unsustainable spending or bad corporate strategies. And we've got the government enabling and sometimes forcing the irresponsible behavior. And with the new man in the White House, I don't see it getting any better for the forseeable future. :cool:

One thing people don't realize about the difference between us and Europe as far as gas prices and it's affordability to the public is that in Europe and other industrial countries minimum wage starts at about nine bucks an hour, at least for skilled trades. Because of this difference in wages they can better afford a higher price. Besides they've lived with it for many years already, and learned to adjust.JMHO

Quig

The biggest problem with European gas prices isn't the cost of the actual fuel, it's the taxes put on it to help pay for all their social programs.

Well good news for Obama everyone. His people conducted an investigation into the allegations of him being tied to the Bag-o-crap scandals and they said Obama is innocent!!!!
Thats like telling a person being held on murder charges to conduct an investigation on themselves and let the police know if he/she is innocent or guilty...... What the hell?????

Well good news for Obama everyone. His people conducted an investigation into the allegations of him being tied to the Bag-o-crap scandals and they said Obama is innocent!!!!
Thats like telling a person being held on murder charges to conduct an investigation on themselves and let the police know if he/she is innocent or guilty...... What the hell?????

That's wonderful. It's so great to know that Obama is innocent! I mean, it's not like he's from the most corrupt political climate in the country. Oh wait.. wait a minute.. he does come from the most corrupt political machine the country has ever seen. It wouldn't surprise me one bit that he has the gaul to try to sell his senate seat after the free passes the press gave him on everything else. No charges on dirty land deals with a convicted felon that he funnelled state funds to? Come on now.. What's really despicable is how the press is NOW telling people all the things they did their very best to cover up before the election. Downright despicable!

Of course everything that comes out of Obama's mouth is the absolute truth. Like William Ayers is "a guy from the neighborhood". Or that he NEVER heard Rev. Wright say any of his racist anti-American statements. We all know he is the absolute epitome of the truth. All Hail Obama! The savior of the world! :lmao:

Did any of you see what a barrel of oil closed at yesterday? In case you didn't it was $40 and some change. The lowest it's been in years and gas has already started to go back up? How does that work? Tell me someone isn't padding their wallets. This frustrates me to no end, and unfortunately I don't see another Regan in our future anytime soon.

Someone is going to have to balls up and come out with a rival resource that will cushion the need for oil. I have no doubt that the technology is sitting by waiting, I think there are too many people that fear for their lives by putting a dent into the oil business.

If gas prices go back up to where they were, that will surely put this country into a hole that I don't see us climbing out of anytime soon.

As far as the bailout of the major motor companies goes, I hate the idea. I know that the government would never bail me or any other small business out if we screwed up. But here's where I have a little sympathy for the bailout idea. It's not for the GM, Ford, or Chrysler. It's the thousands of small companies that make all the little pieces that put the cars together. The dashboard manufacturers, the steering wheel companies, the companies that make the seats, and so on and so on. I'm sure they make some of the parts to the cars, but I know at least for GM that the majority of the parts that go into their cars are not made by GM. SO, if these companies fail then it's more than just their employees that will be without jobs. If they made everything themselves then I would say screw them for royally screwing up but so is life. Unfortunately that just isn't the case.

Did any of you see what a barrel of oil closed at yesterday? In case you didn't it was $40 and some change. The lowest it's been in years and gas has already started to go back up? How does that work? Tell me someone isn't padding their wallets. This frustrates me to no end, and unfortunately I don't see another Regan in our future anytime soon.

Someone is going to have to balls up and come out with a rival resource that will cushion the need for oil. I have no doubt that the technology is sitting by waiting, I think there are too many people that fear for their lives by putting a dent into the oil business.

If gas prices go back up to where they were, that will surely put this country into a hole that I don't see us climbing out of anytime soon.

As far as the bailout of the major motor companies goes, I hate the idea. I know that the government would never bail me or any other small business out if we screwed up. But here's where I have a little sympathy for the bailout idea. It's not for the GM, Ford, or Chrysler. It's the thousands of small companies that make all the little pieces that put the cars together. The dashboard manufacturers, the steering wheel companies, the companies that make the seats, and so on and so on. I'm sure they make some of the parts to the cars, but I know at least for GM that the majority of the parts that go into their cars are not made by GM. SO, if these companies fail then it's more than just their employees that will be without jobs. If they made everything themselves then I would say screw them for royally screwing up but so is life. Unfortunately that just isn't the case.

I think after 4 years of Obama, we may be able to find someone with real conservative values and ideals. Alot of the republicans have become mirror images of the democrats with all this spending, and the country may demand another Reagan after what we will most likely be facing through an Obama presidency.

My issue with the bailouts is that there are already laws that exist for this exact circumstance. Companies can still operate under chapter 11 and it would allow the companies to renegotiate some of these ridiculous union contracts that they have gotten themselves into while still producing cars, employing workers and paying the companies that make stuff for them. Chapter 11 did wonders for the airplane industry, it can help the auto makers out as well. There is absolutely no need to take taxpayer money to give loans to these companies that will continue to fail after the money is spent. If they don't change anything, nothing will change. Money will not fix it. If they want taxpayer money, they could ask tax payers to invest by buying stock. What really gets me is, you could buy EVERY share of ALL THREE companies for under 10 billion, but they are asking for 15?

I couldn't agree more with your comments.

I think our only shinning light right now as far as conservative Republicans go just had her church set on fire a few days ago. I think she would make an amazing president!

My mom has been going out and spending money on TV's and crap while letting the water get turned off

Just to let you know it isn't just your mom, that duty is one of the 'perks' of my job and believe me there is a mentality of people out there that don't understand certain things....it has gotten much much much worse this year. I want to say about march this year the amount of shut off's we do has tripled, not all of them are the normal deadbeats but for some reason this hand out expecting group is just living it up right now.

Just to let you know it isn't just your mom, that duty is one of the 'perks' of my job and believe me there is a mentality of people out there that don't understand certain things....it has gotten much much much worse this year. I want to say about march this year the amount of shut off's we do has tripled, not all of them are the normal deadbeats but for some reason this hand out expecting group is just living it up right now.

I bet. People have the mentality that the government will take care of them. There has been an increasing lack of personal responsibility in this country as of late and it's getting really scary how many people aren't willing to take responsibility for their actions. It's so hard to believe how we got here from what this country used to be even 20 years ago. It's like I want to go around smacking people in the head and telling them to wake up.

"President has done absolutely nothing in the past two months to help keep us from becoming the socialist nation that I have feared we have been moving toward for some time." -Jeff

This is the scariest part in my opinion. It seems the war on terror, economic crisis, and global warming is just another excuse to move in that direction.

Sad thing is, two of the above items were created in the last 8 years and the third is made up out of pure fantasy. ARGH!

"President has done absolutely nothing in the past two months to help keep us from becoming the socialist nation that I have feared we have been moving toward for some time." -Jeff

This is the scariest part in my opinion. It seems the war on terror, economic crisis, and global warming is just another excuse to move in that direction.

Sad thing is, two of the above items were created in the last 8 years and the third is made up out of pure fantasy. ARGH!

The "economic crisis" really wasn't started in the last 8 years. The policies go back to the Carter years and being more enforced or strengthened by the Clinton administration. Of course, alot could have been done about it before this year, and in fact there were those in government that tried to do something about it in 04-05. It was shot down by some democratic chairs of committees and a couple other jack asses. Before a couple months ago, I didn't have much against old Bushy, excepty his predeliction for massive spending. Other than that, I thought he did an alright job, given the hurdles he faced. I don't know who's whispering in his ear now, though. It seems he's gotten a new advisor or something that is a die hard socialist, and has been convincing him to do all these nonsensical things. When you've got what people thought was a conservative pushing through socialist agendas, I don't even want to know what Obama is going to be selling.

Don't get me wrong from my previous post. I'm a Conservative. I just don't like the left leaning things this pres has done. I think things will get worse under the new "Obamanation".

Just wanted to clarify.

I'm excited , he's the messiah. LOL. And you all know what happened to him. Let us not be the ones to put him on the cross. He hasn't even taken office. Lets hope for the best and give the guy a chance. There's plenty of time to crucify him later.

Bush has been a disaster for this country. I think the bottom line is, he isn't smart enough to provide the kind of leadership this day and age requires. Alarm bells went off in my head as early as post 9/11 2001 when he got on national TV and told the country that Islam was a "warm, beautiful religion". He's been playing footsy with Islamic oil ever since, even having the gall to host Whitehouse Ramadan dinners whilst our SEALS boys were being slaughtered by Islamic adherents in Afghanistan. I voted for him twice though. The other choices of Gore the first time and Kerry the second time were just too appalling to consider. At the time.

Hindsight shows we have spent the better part of a trillion dollars setting up two new Islamic governments. That money would have been much better spent here at home building towards an energy model less dependent on foreign oil suppliers or building towards at least a better standard of living for average Americans. Stupidity and poor leadership ruled the day during the Bush years.

I feel your frustration. We are slipping down hill fast and I am torn on what I think we should do.Should we bailout or not? Let them restructure in chapter 11? That may increase the slide. All I know for sure is it's out of my hands. I hope for the best. God Bless.

Don't get me wrong from my previous post. I'm a Conservative. I just don't like the left leaning things this pres has done. I think things will get worse under the new "Obamanation".

Just wanted to clarify.

I understood. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't Bush that caused this problem, and it seems because Bush is in office when the **** hit the fan, it seems alot of people want to place the blame there. Don't get me wrong either, I do not support ANY of the liberal tendencies or the massive spending Bush has been doing. I do support him when he's got it right, but those times seem far and few between these days. I really don't know what's come over him as of late or if maybe it was Karl Rove making all the decisions and now Bushy's got someone else making the decisions now.

Desert, I don't think you really need to be a genius to be President. It really doesn't require the kind of intellect that alot of people might think. I really think the most important things are an understanding of US History and the convictions to stand on your moral principles. It helps to be a good speaker and all that and it might not hurt to have some smarts, but it seems to me that alot of the really intelligent people get caught up in the abstract or can have a har time doing alot of the things that may be required of the President. I do believe Bush has made plenty of mistakes while in Office. I'd rather have him than Gore bankrupting the country trying to save us from Climate Change, though. Anyways, I guess we'll see what happens. With all the things that are going on now, I don't have alot of hope for the next few years. I do believe that the "recession" wouldn't be too much of a problem if government can keep their grubby little hands off it, which is incredibly unlikely in the current political climate in Washington. I also don't have alot of hope that our constitutional rights won't be gutted as much as the Obama administration can get away with. With a certain company buying up gun and ammunition manufacturers, it looks like they may be able to limit gun rights with the stroke of a pen. I don't know. I hope all these signs are all just coincidences, and that I'm wrong. I guess we'll see.

Who are you referring to in regards to the company buying up all the guns and ammo?

I'm just happy that BUSH is gone! I can't wait to see what happens with Obama! I guess the saying goes...he can't do anyworse! Kinda would have liked to have seen Hilary in there instead. Can you imagine Bill as the First man....HA HA! :D

I'm just happy that BUSH is gone! I can't wait to see what happens with Obama! I guess the saying goes...he can't do anyworse! Kinda would have liked to have seen Hilary in there instead. Can you imagine Bill as the First man....HA HA! :D
Glad Bush will be gone soon as well...did NOT vote for him btw....but then did NOT vote for our next prez either but like you wanted Hilary there

Glad Bush will be gone soon as well...did NOT vote for him btw....but then did NOT vote for our next prez either but like you wanted Hilary there


You know she was already there for two tems with Bill so she know's what the job will entitle, not tel mention they say behind everygoodn man is a EVER better woman. You know she was a helpful advisor when he was Pres! :D Sorry boyz....you all know it's true!

You know she was already there for two tems with Bill so she know's what the job will entitle, not tel mention they say behind everygoodn man is a EVER better woman. You know she was a helpful advisor when he was Pres! :D Sorry boyz....you all know it's true!
Men just THINK they run things but we know better don't we ladies
:cheers:

Who are you referring to in regards to the company buying up all the guns and ammo?

I can't remember the name of the company off hand, I will look into it and report back. I found out about it while reading some news and it mentioned that this company had bought and was attempting to buy several US Gun and ammo manufacturers. As soon as I get a chance I will try to find the info again and post the name of the company.

Sorry, luciddream, I missed your response to me until now.



Desert, I don't think you really need to be a genius to be President. It really doesn't require the kind of intellect that alot of people might think. I really think the most important things are an understanding of US History and the convictions to stand on your moral principles.

I disagree. Your formula of 'convictions' and 'moral principals' may have been sufficient a generation or two ago, but not today. In fact, we've just finished off eight years of that formula and it has been a disaster. This country needs leadership; leadership of the kind born by smarts and well practiced critical thinking. A leadership that understands broad conceptions and understands what it is, that it is looking at.

We are competing in a foot race on a complex stage these days with dozens of integral fronts to be mindful of, including technology, education, health, energy & related rersources, ecomomic strength, China, Russia, military strength, Iran, regional cooperation, globalisation, terrorism and on and on. Leadership's inattention to many of these fronts has changed the world and placed it on a path to multi-polarisation. Not good. That transformation is picking up speed as we speak.

The Bush presidency has proven itself a one-trick pony; it its myopic obsession to rope the Iraq cow, it opened the corral gate and all the other livestock bolted.

In other words, we took our eye off the ball. We spent too much treasure and focused attention on an ungrateful third world shit-hole, when what we really should have been doing was paying attention and keeping our eye on the global and domestic balls. We now have Russia and China flexing muscle literally in our own backyard, flying in the face of the Monroe Doctrine. We are losing ground in all of the fronts mentioned. Conviction and moral principal are not enough, anymore. We need intelligent leadership, not 'strategery'.

A great example is Cuba. Why do we continue to fence Cuba off and make it a perfect play area for Russia and China. End the ridiulous trade and travel embargos against Cuba. End them. Let US cultural imperialism have a chance to run its course, instead. Even Clinton couldn't see that clearly.

Sorry, luciddream, I missed your response to me until now.



I disagree. Your formula of 'convictions' and 'moral principals' may have been sufficient a generation or two ago, but not today. In fact, we've just finished off eight years of that formula and it has been a disaster. This country needs leadership; leadership of the kind born by smarts and well practiced critical thinking. A leadership that understands broad conceptions and understands what it is, that it is looking at.

We are competing in a foot race on a complex stage these days with dozens of integral fronts to be mindful of, including technology, education, health, energy & related rersources, ecomomic strength, China, Russia, military strength, Iran, regional cooperation, globalisation, terrorism and on and on. Leadership's inattention to many of these fronts has changed the world and placed it on a path to multi-polarisation. Not good. That transformation is picking up speed as we speak.

The Bush presidency has proven itself a one-trick pony; it its myopic obsession to rope the Iraq cow, it opened the corral gate and all the other livestock bolted.

In other words, we took our eye off the ball. We spent too much treasure and focused attention on an ungrateful third world shit-hole, when what we really should have been doing was paying attention and keeping our eye on the global and domestic balls. We now have Russia and China flexing muscle literally in our own backyard, flying in the face of the Monroe Doctrine. We are losing ground in all of the fronts mentioned. Conviction and moral principal are not enough, anymore. We need intelligent leadership, not 'strategery'.

A great example is Cuba. Why do we continue to fence Cuba off and make it a perfect play area for Russia and China. End the ridiulous trade and travel embargos against Cuba. End them. Let US cultural imperialism have a chance to run its course, instead. Even Clinton couldn't see that clearly.

I don't think Clinton saw very much clearly. But, back to the original premise, Leadership and extreme intelligence don't generally come in the same package. Of course we don't want a moron as president, but I'd take one of slightly above average intelligence with those qualities of conviction to do what one knows is right that make up a good portion of leadership over an Einstein anyday. What seems to happen with alot of people that are overly intelligent is that they get preoccupied with things that really aren't that much of a concern to most people. Hell, look at the things that are going on in Europe right now with all their progressivist notions. They're giving plants rights to life, making it illegal to keep apes in zoos, it gets a bit ridiculous. It's the same here with these people that think they are smarter than everyone else, and that gives them the moral imperative to make our decisions for us, since we're too stupid. Granted, there are alot of stupid people in this country, and it seems that our society has been giving people an excuse to be ignorant, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to make decisions against our judgement.

I do agree that it was a mistake to go into Iraq in the first place. I disagreed with that decision, but now that we are there, we can't just leave without a fuctioning and self reliant government. I do wonder what Saddam had planned with the TONS of uranium that we discovered over there. I'm sure that this was a war that eventually would need to have been fought, but now wasn't the time. So, what exactly would you suggest would have been better to focus our attention on? What should the president have done differently to improve our domestic situation? I fault Bush for not taking better advantage of the Republican majority in Congress while they had the chance. They could have pushed through plenty of stuff that people would have liked to see done before it became an issue, but I guess people don't care about things until it's a necessity. I would have liked to have seen them pass some legislation for outer continental shelf drilling and ANWR. I'd have liuked to see them privatize social security, or atleast give people he option to privatize their account. These are just a few of the very long list of items they dropped the ball on. I also fault Bush for pretty much every thing he's done in the last oh.. 9 months or so, and his extreme spending. Other than that, I don't think he really did that bad a job. He managed to promote growth in the economy for quite awhile. He hasn't been the best president in the last 50 years, but by no means has he been the worst.

We do need leadership in this country, but we need someone that is going to promote personal responsibility and accountability rather than government solutions to our problems. This is what I see coming from the Obama administration and I don't think that this is what our country needs.

We do need leadership in this country, but we need someone that is going to promote personal responsibility and accountability rather than government solutions to our problems. This is what I see coming from the Obama administration and I don't think that this is what our country needs.

I think a balance can be struck that improves standard of living.

We're the richest country in the world, but if you go to Australia and look around, you'll see they have a better standard of living there. That's embarassing.

I'm impressed Obama tapped a physicist for energy secretary. That indicates smarts. Better than some misplaced business sentiments prescribing us using our food supply to make ethanol. That was a dumb idea.

I think a balance can be struck that improves standard of living.

We're the richest country in the world, but if you go to Australia and look around, you'll see they have a better standard of living there. That's embarassing.

I'm impressed Obama tapped a physicist for energy secretary. That indicates smarts. Better than some misplaced business sentiments prescribing us using our food supply to make ethanol. That was a dumb idea.

I suppose it really depends on what your definition of standard of living would be, under what I deem a superior standard of living, we've still got the rest of the world beat, and it's mostly due to our individual liberties and the rights we have that most others don't.

It's very true that subsidizing food to be used as fuel was retarded, but it was alot of these "smart" scientists that couldn't see the problems with it that recommended such things along with progressive legislators that are worried about global warming that enacted such foolish legislation. I honestly don't know anything about the man Obama has picked to be energy secretary, but I'm not so sure a physicist is the best person to have in a beaurocratic position that will shape US energy policy for what could be the next better part of a decade. Especially if that physicist happens to subscribe to the global warming hysteria that is often perpetuated by members of the scientific community in order to extend grants. Of course we need to use less oil, especially oil bought from foriegn nations, but we have plenty here and if you include the shale in Colorado and the surrounding areas, we've got a hell of alot more than most of the middle east. We've got China drilling off our coasts, and congress already wants to reinstate the ban on offshore drilling. We do need to come up with alternatives, but I don't see anyone banging down the door with their great ideas, so in the mean time, we need to get by without transferring a good portion of our wealth overseas, and I don't see Obama bringing a plan other than inflating our tires or subsidizing hybrids. I kinda got off on a tangent about the energy thing, and I really don't know anything about the person or even what their name is as I haven't been paying too much attention to his nominations of late. My point was that this "smart" guy seems to want to toss out a good portion of the ideas this country was founded upon and dictate how people should live their lives, give government more power over it's citizens and remove the ingenuity of the free markets. I hope I am proven wrong, but that's what I see from what he's promised and his decisions throughout his career. We shall see.