Well we did :mad:! We were eating dinner at Burger King and i look up and see him.When he realized we recognized him he dropped his head and disappeared into the bathroom.What a scumbag trying to mingle with everyone after the crap he has done :mad:.In my opinion he should remove himself from our hobby completely.

Well we did :mad:! We were eating dinner at Burger King and i look up and see him.When he realized we recognized him he dropped his head and disappeared into the bathroom.What a scumbag trying to mingle with everyone after the crap he has done :mad:.In my opinion he should remove himself from our hobby completely.

Did you talk to him? Did you see the photos he had with him? Have you read any of the updates about what happened or the actual facts instead of the media hype?

Saw him, spoke with him, and saw the pics of what THEY did to his animals. Made me want to cry, then throw up, then cry some more.

I saw him on the show floor, but since I haven't kept up with the story, I certainly didn't have enough info. to even consider passing judgement. I did see the pics he had, and they were horrific...

This the same guy they raided?

This the same guy they raided?

Yes same man, but what they did to his healthy animals once they took them from him is just awful. Those were the pics he had with him.

Well we did :mad:! We were eating dinner at Burger King and i look up and see him.When he realized we recognized him he dropped his head and disappeared into the bathroom.What a scumbag trying to mingle with everyone after the crap he has done :mad:.In my opinion he should remove himself from our hobby completely.

You're obviously mis-informed..... you should get the whole picture before passing judgement on someone......

Yep, saw him walking around talking to many other well respected herp keepers. Poor guy got taken for an awful ride by HSUS, the media, and local police... such a shame.

"...got taken for an awful ride by HSUS, the media, and local police... "

Jason, I had not heard that HSUS was involved in this case. Could you elaborate?
Thanks.

I would take his stance on the matter well before I would even considered what the HSUS had to say. Then again, I've never had much trust for terrorist...:dunno:

I would take his stance on the matter well before I would even considered what the HSUS had to say. Then again, I've never had much trust for terrorist...:dunno:

:yessir::rebel::yessir::rebel:

Did you talk to him? Did you see the photos he had with him? Have you read any of the updates about what happened or the actual facts instead of the media hype?No i did not because once he realized we recognized him he disappeared.So if he had all this stuff showing his side why not share it with everyone? Why only a few select people? So all the dead animals when they raided him were staged?

You're obviously mis-informed..... you should get the whole picture before passing judgement on someone......Well share the info you have

I just did a google and I found this and it also angers me.
http://animalhoardinginfo.blogspot.com/2010/05/terry-cullen-milwaukee-wisconsin.html

"...got taken for an awful ride by HSUS, the media, and local police... "

Jason, I had not heard that HSUS was involved in this case. Could you elaborate?
Thanks.


I don't recall the article or forum post, but I read somewhere that it is thought that HSUS or someone involved with them gave a "tip" about Terry Cullen that lead to the raid on his facilities. If it's not true, then that's fine... but to me the whole thing stinks of animal rights whackos...

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=19086
Last page has more info once stuff started coming out.
I will also say, not meaning to be rude but hard to get tone over the internet, how do you know "he saw that you recongnized him he dissapeared"? If he was running away from everyone he would not have been walking around the show, IMO.

I forgot to add...

The involvement of Wisconsin DNR in the case was likely based on their "partnership" with HSUS. Terry is a well known exotic animal figure in Wisconsin (and across the country), and does or did some rehabilitation for exotics. I would guess that after the DNR/HSUS partnership formed he was on their radar...

Here's one link of many on the WI DNR and HSUS "partnership" that has received TONS of criticism, and for good reason.

http://dnr.wi.gov/news/DNRNews_article_Lookup.asp?id=1421

"No i did not because once he realized we recognized him he disappeared.So if he had all this stuff showing his side why not share it with everyone? Why only a few select people? So all the dead animals when they raided him were staged?"

I have info on this from an inside source. I will continue this thread in the Saloon where not just anyone could see it.

"No i did not because once he realized we recognized him he disappeared.So if he had all this stuff showing his side why not share it with everyone? Why only a few select people? So all the dead animals when they raided him were staged?"

I have info on this from an inside source. I will continue this thread in the Saloon where not just anyone could see it.Well in my opinion info that shows the truth should not be viewed by just a select few.When he was raided those pics affected us all.So why so hushy hushy?

"So why so hushy hushy?"
Because I dont know for sure who on this site can be trusted but the Saloon members seem to be the most reliable. Terry has not had his trial yet. He and his attorney are aware of what I posted and have chosen not to make it public. I am assuming they have their reasons.

.So why so hushy hushy?

Maybe he's trying to let people know whats going on with his stuff without letting his enemies know what he's planning on doing. Face it, I'm sure you are not on his list of "people I need to keep in the loop."

Maybe he's trying to let people know whats going on with his stuff without letting his enemies know what he's planning on doing. Face it, I'm sure you are not on his list of "people I need to keep in the loop."I understand this is true but if he is found guilty of everything it WILL effect us all.I did read the other thread with the latest info though.

I understand this is true but if he is found guilty of everything it WILL effect us all.

But that doesn't mean he has a responsibility to keep you in the loop. I highly doubt he went and hid because he thought you recognized him, If that was the case the last place he would have shown up would have been a major reptile show.

But that doesn't mean he has a responsibility to keep you in the loop. I highly doubt he went and hid because he thought you recognized him, If that was the case the last place he would have shown up would have been a major reptile show.Well i asked numerous people if they saw him at the show and everyone said no.So it sounds like he was around a select few.I wanted to ask him to hear his side without any media input.So i took it as he did not want anyone seeing him when he disappeared.So until i hear or see the truth otherwise what am i supposed to think about him :dunno:

Joe...do you really think that attending one of the biggest reptile shows in the country is only "around a select few"? I guess I have to question why you are so hard up on the guy for information....dirt.

Joe...do you really think that attending one of the biggest reptile shows in the country is only "around a select few"? I guess I have to question why you are so hard up on the guy for information....dirt.Well it sounds like the only ones that saw him and were able to talk to him were the ones with money.Well what ever happens to him does affect us all.When they released the info on the "rape" i said bullcrap all the way but the pics of the reptiles turned my thoughts about him.So if the guy is being railroaded then why not share this info with the rest of the community? Why not let us decide who to believe? I think thats what should happen instead of hiding everything in a special secret room here for a select few to see only.As i see it now its just hear say rumors he is being railroaded.No i did not want "dirt" i would like to know his side.I guess if he only wants a select few on his side thats his choice but i would want the WHOLE community if it was me.

Well it sounds like the only ones that saw him and were able to talk to him were the ones with money.Well what ever happens to him does affect us all.When they released the info on the "rape" i said bullcrap all the way but the pics of the reptiles turned my thoughts about him.So if the guy is being railroaded then why not share this info with the rest of the community? Why not let us decide who to believe? I think thats what should happen instead of hiding everything in a special secret room here for a select few to see only.As i see it now its just hear say rumors he is being railroaded.No i did not want "dirt" i would like to know his side.I guess if he only wants a select few on his side thats his choice but i would want the WHOLE community if it was me.

Maybe we still do not know the full story. Maybe its something his Lawyers want hush hush for right now. And bringing it to a large group of people will muck up his case and cause bigger problems.

Well it sounds like the only ones that saw him and were able to talk to him were the ones with money.

Dude, you have done nothing more than make wild assumptions in this whole thread. The one above just takes the cake, where the hell did you get that from? The only thing you are accomplishing right now is making yourself look stupid and petty. He didn't tell you, get over it already.......