Even if it is a few hour "sale" this is unacceptable.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205496

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Not being a BP person myself, I am guessing the first price is closer to market value? If not, what would be closer to normal market value at the present time? While I can appreciate a good looking BP, I am way behind in the actual names and prices of them. I am usually drawn to them for a few photos at each show I visit. Thanks for the insight.

I find it very interesting they are not slamming her like they would do anyone else doing the same thing :rolleyes:.

She's logged the BLBC right now....maybe she can shed some light on the issue.

knock 2k off if it's cash...something doesn't smell right.

She's logged the BLBC right now....maybe she can shed some light on the issue.

She has read this thread.....

It does seem odd but I really don't see how you could get 4k for a pastel pied female. That pastel pied is really nice though.

She has read this thread.....Hmm i wonder why she did not comment :dunno:.

Might as well just poop on my doorstep too!

$2000.00 for a baby Pastel Pied doesn't seem that out of line to me.
Looks like a top quality snake.

Who is she? Since I am banned from Fauna I can't check the link. I may be able to shed some light on why she is not being slammed if its who I think it is. Let me know who she is and I will respond. Thanks John

Well here we go. She is one of Rich Z. Benefactor level contributors that is why no one is slamming her. She is one of the chosen few on Fauna Crapsite,I think I may have mispelled that,lol!

It looks to me she doesn't really want to sell it, made it worth her hassle if someone paid full price, and a cash-right-this-second price. I think the cash price is closer to market value. My take is she doesn't want to mess with payment plans, wants full price at least if she's going to sell a snake she wants to keep.

I don't see any problem at all with the ad or how she handled it.

It looks to me she doesn't really want to sell it, made it worth her hassle if someone paid full price, and a cash-right-this-second price. I think the cash price is closer to market value. My take is she doesn't want to mess with payment plans, wants full price at least if she's going to sell a snake she wants to keep.

I don't see any problem at all with the ad or how she handled it.

You hit the nail on the head.

I wasn't responding because, the accusations are not true. I wasn't crashing the market, I don't have a ton of animals to flood the market with. This was one of my hold backs and I was on the fence about selling her. Just because I discounted my animal doesn't mean anyone else has to. If I sold her at the discounted price, (keep in mind, ONE animal) all anyone has to do is refuse to sell theirs any cheaper.

To the ones that are accusing me of "market crashing" you were welcome to pay full price. It was stated right there. No one was going to force you to buy the animal at the deep discount. Why didn't you JUMP on it when it was 4,200.00? :devil: One animal, MY animal, I am no one's favorite..I piss a lot of people off because I don't follow anyone, EVER. I follow what I believe to be right, and I am too old to be changing my ways right now.:dunno:

P.S Nothing "stinks" but working on my prized project..I see I am going to need space in the immediate future..so of course more of my holdback stock has to go....and I am REALLY on the fence about letting them go ...so I am going to make it very worth MY time to let them go. :)

Well here we go. She is one of Rich Z. Benefactor level contributors that is why no one is slamming her.

There is nothing wrong with helping Rich Z buy a new set of tires for his corvette.... :D

There is nothing wrong with helping Rich Z buy a new set of tires for his corvette.... :D

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Bet its still for sale? not many people now a days has $4200 for a snake,if you need to move the animal for cash,$2200 if its such a great deal somebody should buy it.I have alot of 2010s left that are giving me hell to sell they are sweet too but I compeat with Outback & other locals it sucks when they see my price & then go get it cheaper from somebody,but Im sticking to my prices because mine are 300+ grams so let them go buy one out of the egg or is small. weather you admit it or not price is the main motavator that makes the sale.

Bet its still for sale? not many people now a days has $4200 for a snake,if you need to move the animal for cash,$2200 if its such a great deal somebody should buy it.I have alot of 2010s left that are giving me hell to sell they are sweet too but I compeat with Outback & other locals it sucks when they see my price & then go get it cheaper from somebody,but Im sticking to my prices because mine are 300+ grams so let them go buy one out of the egg or is small. weather you admit it or not price is the main motavator that makes the sale.

At 4,200K it's still for sale.:lmao: The ones that want me to keep the price aren't buying it.:dunno: This is a sweet animal and established eater.

I had a potential buyer at 2K, but when the potential buyer wanted me to go even lower 1,800, it was a turn off and I said, "No."

Man....It's already discounted!!!:lmao:

I have no problem with the price just the massive discount for cash. I can see why someone would want less ,money for cash but 2,200$ off is a bit rediculos. I don't know what the regular prices are but yeah. And Sputnik LMAO!!!!

There is nothing wrong with helping Rich Z buy a new set of tires for his corvette.... :D

:rockon::lmao::lmao:

I really don't have an issue with any of this, if it's as close to market value as Claude says. The problem is that I really don't know where the market is on this. What I will say is that if she needs money, and she can't reach a private sale even at the reduced price, all bets are off. Doing a cash deal isn't out of line I don't think, especially at the current market.

Maybe it's not the animal keeping them from buying from you.....:dunno:

Maybe it's not the animal keeping them from buying from you.....:dunno:We have a winner :lmao:

$2,000 is nowhere near market. Cheapest pastel pied female I've seen advertised has been $4,200

$2,000 is nowhere near market. Cheapest pastel pied female I've seen advertised has been $4,200

I haven't kept up with prices for Pastel Pieds but did see this -

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=804851

2010 Pastel Pied male for $5K...:rolleyes:

I think the ad sucks ass myself...

$2,000 is nowhere near market. Cheapest pastel pied female I've seen advertised has been $4,200

I have seen them listed for that but I keep seeing the same pastel pieds week after week for sale....they're not selling for that price.

I think a cash price of $2,200 seems fair.

"Just because I discounted my animal doesn't mean anyone else has to."

Really....every tom, dick and harry can say that before they start pinching the martket on a project. That's pretty lame reasoning in my opinion.

If a snake is not moving at $4,200 do you slash the price in half to move it?

Then, just to stir shit up you post it on the BLBC classifieds for $2,000.

She needs to go, she put that ad up as a slap in the face to the BLBC.

she put that ad up as a slap in the face to the BLBC.

Yes she did and that shit ain't gonna fly...Her ad is gone and won't be back up or she'll will be gone with her ad...

It's funny every "holdback" animal I've sold went for well over market price. Whoever heard of selling your primo stock for 50% cents on the dollar...:dunno:

It's funny every "holdback" animal I've sold went for well over market price. Whoever heard of selling your primo stock for 50% cents on the dollar...:dunno:

Even KS pulls ads for 50 cents on the buck...

That's just plain ol pissin' in the pool...

Wow, such twisted logic! If it was a holdback you were not wanting to let go why wouldn't you ask for over market price? Instead you cut every other advertised pastel pied price in half. It's definitely not the snake.... Maybe it was the youtube video of the woma that looked like it had IBD? I wouldn't buy from you!:nono:

That's just plain ol pissin' in the pool...

:yessir::yessir:

Now she has a 09 fire pastel spider male for $1500 WTF! :dunno:

Time for Das Boot! She is Richs #1 Minion just over here to start shit! Check out some of her threads at Fauna you will see. What video are you refering to about a woma that is looking sick?

Hello Chico
Where is she advertising that male at? It is not here I hope!

Since that pastel pied is the ugliest snake i've ever seen I think $2,200 is more than fair lol!

Hello Chico
Where is she advertising that male at? It is not here I hope!

Fauna

Since that pastel pied is the ugliest snake i've ever seen I think $2,200 is more than fair lol!

It's now 2k with additional discount for cash :lmao:

It's now 2k with additional discount for cash :lmao:

The same deal she supposedly had but refused? LOL

You know she is just doing it to see what reaction takes place here? :cheers:

The same deal she supposedly had but refused? LOL

You know she is just doing it to see what reaction takes place here? :cheers:

You know it :lmao:

And that is why I made a ridiculous post on Fauna and baited all the high and mighty shitheads in! Only to taunt,tease and toy with them all day long(I was bored at work). I had every intention of getting banned but I wasn't going quietly! Forget about burning the bridge I blew it to hell and back,lol! I knew that I didn't belong there so I went out my way! I am really enjoying the BLBC! Definately my kind of good honest people who tell it like it is! Thanks to all of you for making me feel right at home!

My bet is that if she were offered $2200 for the PP girl or $1500 for the boy -- she would DECLINE!!!!!! It is fun and games FOR Debbie -- plain and simple. :devil:

I just had a look at the supposed "fire/bumblebee" and it doesn't look to be carrying the fire gene at all whatsoever. My fire/bumblebee has zero speckling, along with all the other fire/bumblebees I've seen. I believe its a typo, a simple mistake as that animal is clearly just a "low grade" bumblebee, that being said, she isn't too out of line with the pricing. Actually, she may have that ainmal priced a little high because of the grade and quality.

wow such blazing guns! I do not kow Deb personally, but have enjoyed seeing pics of her animals. Some amazing snakes!
So she rubs ppl the wrong way. hmmm. deb is one of the goodguys in my book..
Oh, about tires for Rich's vette, well more props to anyone wishing to support FC (and Rich) for his contribution to herp hobbies. I've been contributor in past there, and will again.

agree ^ 50% off on an expensive bp morph is just too radical. better to have had just 25-30% limited time only sale on it. No doubt potential buyers seeing lowlowLOW price shied away because that. Maybe Deb SHOULD follow acceptable market practice.

wow such blazing guns! I do not kow Deb personally, but have enjoyed seeing pics of her animals. Some amazing snakes!
So she rubs ppl the wrong way. hmmm. deb is one of the goodguys in my book..
Oh, about tires for Rich's vette, well more props to anyone wishing to support FC (and Rich) for his contribution to herp hobbies. I've been contributor in past there, and will again.

agree ^ 50% off on an expensive bp morph is just too radical. better to have had just 25-30% limited time only sale on it. No doubt potential buyers seeing lowlowLOW price shied away because that. Maybe Deb SHOULD follow acceptable market practice.

Glad you are willing to support someone who totally screwed the hobby when he decided to retire by dumping his high end morph corns for ridiculous prices and thereby crashing the market for them. And he is also the guy posting videos of corns he dumped in the wild right smack in the middle of the debate on banning the sale of snakes. Gives me a good idea about your morals.....

My bet is that if she were offered $2200 for the PP girl or $1500 for the boy -- she would DECLINE!!!!!! It is fun and games FOR Debbie -- plain and simple. :devil:

Yup! :yes:

Glad you are willing to support someone who totally screwed the hobby when he decided to retire by dumping his high end morph corns for ridiculous prices and thereby crashing the market for them. And he is also the guy posting videos of corns he dumped in the wild right smack in the middle of the debate on banning the sale of snakes. Gives me a good idea about your morals.....

That is true - but this person is probably just unaware of what Rich Z does.

That is true - but this person is probably just unaware of what Rich Z does.

I doubt it since the person said they contributed to his site in the past..... Some cant see the forest because of the trees.... :dunno:

I doubt it since the person they contributed to his site in the past..... Some cant see the forest because of the trees.... :dunno:

Then they are probably better off staying on fauna.... that kind of thing suits some more then others :yes:

Then they are probably better off staying on fauna.... :yes:

:yes:

Then they are probably better off staying on fauna.... that kind of thing suits some more then others :yes:

:yessir:

I just had a look at the supposed "fire/bumblebee" and it doesn't look to be carrying the fire gene at all whatsoever. My fire/bumblebee has zero speckling, along with all the other fire/bumblebees I've seen. I believe its a typo, a simple mistake as that animal is clearly just a "low grade" bumblebee, that being said, she isn't too out of line with the pricing. Actually, she may have that ainmal priced a little high because of the grade and quality.

i dont understand that- and dont think so.

she postet a fire bumblebee fpr 1500$ (which cost 7500$ at mike wilbanks- i know thats a little bit far off the marketprice but 1500$ is a little bit far below too i guess).

bees go for 550$ or so.

now what do u mean with typo?

was the 1 in front of the 500 the typo and the word fire mixed in there too by mistake or what?


then u wrote it looks like a bad quality bee. right under there u wrote the may priced the animal a bit high vecause of the good quality.



im totally confused...lol

oh- or are u refering to the pastel pied (with the good quality)?

but 2200$ or now under 2000 (cash) is too low too i guess (i mean im not aware of the real market price in the us but other members here said something about 4k and the ks add was 4,5k.


or did u mean the 4,2k she started with without the cash dicount?


sorry bro- im totally confused about ur post...:lmao: