Little known fact...my obsession with eyelashes on reptiles began before I even knew what a crested gecko was. :devil:

These are a few of my growouts from my first two litters. The father is about 80% red/pink and 20% green. Mom is almost identical to the third one.

Loving the white-yellow markings on the gold base.
http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/ACReptiles/Graphics/GoldCanary.jpg

This is one of the highest red ones I've produced. The red starts off black as babies and then turns red at about 9-12 months.
http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/ACReptiles/Graphics/ChristmasPhase.jpg

This one looks almost identical to mom.
http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/ACReptiles/Graphics/GoldPink.jpg

Those are amazing snakes. I love the yellow ones.

Dan

beautiful. keep posting pics of those, as I will never own them, myself.

They are beautiful Anthony .

Dang man by far my fav. hot.... someday!!!!!!

That second one is just wild!

Awesome pics, the third one is a screamer! Eyelash vipers have always been one of my favorite snakes going back to the first time I saw one as a kid at the zoo.

The eyelashes are great:yes:

Thanks guys and gals...

Awesome pics, the third one is a screamer! Eyelash vipers have always been one of my favorite snakes going back to the first time I saw one as a kid at the zoo.

They've always been one of my favorite species too. If they weren't venomous, they'd probably be right up there in popularity with ball pythons and corns. Easily the lowest maintenance of any reptile I've ever heard of.

The above statement is not a plug, by the way - I don't recommend keeping venomous snakes to anyone. My babies are donated to zoos, etc...I never sell them to the public unless it's a personal friend who I know is more than capable and responsible (there have only been two of those in 7 years!).

stunning...
i like the christmas tree, but i love the yellow !
no hots in ny, but they would be my first choice.
ck

Thanks CK!

Just found some pics of their parents...

Dad
http://www.acreptiles.com/eyelash/eyelash_pink_male_May2005.jpg

Mom
http://www.acreptiles.com/eyelash/eyelash_female_May05-2.jpg

WOW! Stunning Eyelash's!! Love The Third Little One! Congrats on the beautiful babies!

I actually really like the middle one that looks more like dad. The yellows pop, but I did that pattern and the subtle look to it.
Stunning animals!

man- if i just had the balls...lol

schlegeliis are one of my favorit venomous snakes but i think theyre far from a begginer venomous reptile. always loved them- espacially the yellow ones and urs are very good examples.

really great stuff anthony!

I don't think there is such a thing as a good beginner venomous.

For one, I think people should choose a species based on their interest in that species, not on the fact that it has venom. The "coolness" of having venom will wear off long before you become a skilled keeper.

Secondly, there's a lot more to it than venom....behavior, movement, etc. is probably more important for learning. If you want to work with arboreal vipers, you might start hook training with amazon tree boas (very similar behavior and perching style as an eyelash). If you want to keep a terrestrial viper, some hook training with a mean WC blood might be the way to learn. For someone considering a cobra, maybe some hook training with a fast moving, and bitey, colubrid would be better. Of course, I don't know shit about keeping cobras and never will. lol

I had amazon tree boas (several of which required a hook), before getting into eyelash, so that was more of a comfortable transition for me. But I don't care how long I have eyelash vipers, it isn't gonna teach me anything about how not to get bit by a fast moving elapid. :greensnake:

So pretty and oh so dangerous. Love looking at hots but just know I should never keep them.

I don't think there is such a thing as a good beginner venomous.

For one, I think people should choose a species based on their interest in that species, not on the fact that it has venom. The "coolness" of having venom will wear off long before you become a skilled keeper.

Secondly, there's a lot more to it than venom....behavior, movement, etc. is probably more important for learning. If you want to work with arboreal vipers, you might start hook training with amazon tree boas (very similar behavior and perching style as an eyelash). If you want to keep a terrestrial viper, some hook training with a mean WC blood might be the way to learn. For someone considering a cobra, maybe some hook training with a fast moving, and bitey, colubrid would be better. Of course, I don't know shit about keeping cobras and never will. lol

I had amazon tree boas (several of which required a hook), before getting into eyelash, so that was more of a comfortable transition for me. But I don't care how long I have eyelash vipers, it isn't gonna teach me anything about how not to get bit by a fast moving elapid. :greensnake:


thats basically the main reason. not the venom itself. i keep snakes over 7 years but in this seven years i just had 3 species- boa con imp (1.st snake), balls and burms. i also never really learned how to hook snakes because i handle all of them with bare hands. at a frieds place who keeps mostly retics we handle them with bare hands too- or like in case of the wc dwarf burms with leather gloves).

never had an aboreal in my captivity nore did i handled them at a friends place.


arboreal venomous snakes therefore would be a bad choice to start learning proper hooking etc.

i would do it exactly like u say. first learn it by keeping similar nonvenomous snakes and learn the proper hooking and handling methods.

before i would get into these things (venomous in general) i would visit a expirienced keeper and let me show everything. and then i would probably start with a copperhead (for terrestrial) or a trimeresurus ssp. (for arboreals)

I thought the same thing, but I quickly learned that the arboreals are a lot easier to work with on a hook. Terrestrial species like copperheads and gaboons, in my experience, are more likely to crawl off the hook in order to get to the floor (so they can flee). Arboreals are more likely to hold onto the hook and not let go, as their instinct is to stay perched on something.

The other thing that makes them easier is that you can use the hook, or a set of tongs, to lift the perch out of the cage while the snake is sitting on it. This makes it much faster because you don't have to coax the snake on and back off of the hook.

The other nice thing about schlegelli is that they are very inactive...meaning you can usually move them before they even realize what's going on. They never refuse food (unless gravid), but half the time I end up having to hit them on the head with a rodent to wake them up. lol

before i would get into these things (venomous in general) i would visit a expirienced keeper and let me show everything. and then i would probably start with a copperhead (for terrestrial) or a trimeresurus ssp. (for arboreals)

That would be a good idea - let someone show you the entire procedure of removing snakes, feeding, etc. There are lots of little tricks and techniques they can teach you that will help keep you safe.

I looked into Trimerserus (gorgeous animals), but there is no antivenin made (at least not in 2003).

I looked into Trimerserus (gorgeous animals), but there is no antivenin made (at least not in 2003).


really? here are thy the number one venomous beginner snake (i mean that almost everyone that start with venomous aboreals begin with them).


maybe the venom is not so toxic that i can kill u and the damage it can cost could be treated with other existing medicine, so that theres no need for antivenom... idk



the thing with the eyelash vipers on hook and their behavior in general- lol i didnt knew that. i just always have the scenario in mind that i have them on the hook and they crawl towards my hand and i cant stop them.

thats why if i get into the venomous snakes someday i would do it just like u wrote before. get a similar nonvenomous snake and do a training with them and then visit someone to show me everything.


i really have to much respect for these critters to just get one and go from there...

really? here are thy the number one venomous beginner snake (i mean that almost everyone that start with venomous aboreals begin with them).


maybe the venom is not so toxic that i can kill u and the damage it can cost could be treated with other existing medicine, so that theres no need for antivenom... idk



the thing with the eyelash vipers on hook and their behavior in general- lol i didnt knew that. i just always have the scenario in mind that i have them on the hook and they crawl towards my hand and i cant stop them.

thats why if i get into the venomous snakes someday i would do it just like u wrote before. get a similar nonvenomous snake and do a training with them and then visit someone to show me everything.


i really have to much respect for these critters to just get one and go from there...

I've heard the same thing about Trims (and they were on my short list along with Atheris), but being in North America where copperheads are plentiful, I figured eyelash would be the safest bet for me personally.

They will sometimes try to crawl up the hook - which is why I like to have a second hook nearby at all times. If they start up that hook, I quickly, but calmly set it down in the empty trash can that I use for a shift. Then I can start again with the new hook when I've finished doing what I'm doing. I've never in 7 years had one on a hook for more than 15-20 seconds before moving them into a shift container or newly cleaned cage.

Honestly, though....unless the cage has been trashed and the snake's health is in jeopardy (water spilled or defecated in), I will wait until they're sitting on something that I can lift out with them sitting on it. I'm pretty decent with a hook, but it's still dangerous work that can normally be avoided with arboreal stuff and the right type of setup (no permanent cage furniture - everything can be lifted out by hook or hemostats).

Bear in mind, I only have to get them out of their cages about 2-3 times a year, so it's not like I go through this process very often.

You sound like me - I did a lot of homework before I decided to get them and I've always had a healthy respect for them. Even now, I still think I'm a dumbass for keeping them. lol

Stunners

I've heard the same thing about Trims (and they were on my short list along with Atheris), but being in North America where copperheads are plentiful, I figured eyelash would be the safest bet for me personally.

They will sometimes try to crawl up the hook - which is why I like to have a second hook nearby at all times. If they start up that hook, I quickly, but calmly set it down in the empty trash can that I use for a shift. Then I can start again with the new hook when I've finished doing what I'm doing. I've never in 7 years had one on a hook for more than 15-20 seconds before moving them into a shift container or newly cleaned cage.

Honestly, though....unless the cage has been trashed and the snake's health is in jeopardy (water spilled or defecated in), I will wait until they're sitting on something that I can lift out with them sitting on it. I'm pretty decent with a hook, but it's still dangerous work that can normally be avoided with arboreal stuff and the right type of setup (no permanent cage furniture - everything can be lifted out by hook or hemostats).

Bear in mind, I only have to get them out of their cages about 2-3 times a year, so it's not like I go through this process very often.

You sound like me - I did a lot of homework before I decided to get them and I've always had a healthy respect for them. Even now, I still think I'm a dumbass for keeping them. lol



yeah definatly- but i did it with boa balls and burms also. i bought books and met with keepers and then start to get into these species. just to avoid as much as possible mistakes.

in venomous it could safe ur life.

ive the gut feeling that i will go into venomous snakes one day but before i would really do it like u said- equal non venoumos snakes and learn the proper technics (hooking etc).


all these tricks u know now (the non permanent furniture etc) i wanna know before i acually keep such a snake.

also the proper behaivor what to do if i really get bitten- theres a lot of research i will have to do.


i saw ones something like a plexiglass shield. the keeper has it in his hands and put it into the cage- so the snake was behind the plexi and he could handle (do the cleaning- water change- etc) in front of them without putting himself into risk and taking them out of the cage.




are u guys allowed to keep venomous snakes without a test of ur knowledge and skills in the us?

i ask because some lands in germany have these regulations and others dont. i acually think thats a good idea. uve to show the state that ure a knowledgable expirienced keeper before ure acually allowed to own them (- if u keep em illegal in these lands and something happens (they get out of the cage and get lost, or u or someone else get bitten) ure insurance doesnt cover the damage costs- that just happend recently here in germany. a cobra got out of the viv because of the drug using keeper who didnt cared enough and the whole house was opened part for part- now he has to pay about 500k...

Yep - every state and city can have different requirements. Most cities here require at least a "dangerous animal permit", but some cities and states have banned them completely. Some states require training, some leave it to the city and in that case, they usually just require a permit that you pay for. It's left up to the city here (although some do not allow venomous at all). I'm in a fairly conservative (politically) part of the US, so the local government tends to stay out of your business a lot more than they do in states like California, New York, etc.

I meant to mention the plexiglass shield. That's hilarious...I've never heard of anyone else using such a thing, except me. lol

I have one that I made from a 5/8" dowel and 1/8" acrylic. People I knew told me I was stupid for making it, but it made sense to me and that's all that matters. I made it back in 2003 when I got my first eyelash, but I don't use it so much now because my snakes are kept in top opening racks or screen top tanks, which allow me to only open part of the cage and reach in with hemos or a hook. I used that thing all the time when I had to water my gaboons, though. I still have the shield nearby, just in case an eyelash tries to shoot out the top of the cage. That hasn't happened *yet* in all the years that I've been keeping them, but I bet it would happen the day after I throw my "stupid" shield away. :p

I meant to mention the plexiglass shield. That's hilarious...I've never heard of anyone else using such a thing, except me. lol



yep- someone else was just as smart as u..lol


i really think its a great little tool and i will definatly keep that in mind.

I meant to mention the plexiglass shield. That's hilarious...I've never heard of anyone else using such a thing, except me. lol

I first saw these years ago a rectangular one as a shield and an equalateral triangle one for "herding" terrestrials into corners and "sealing" them there. That was the one I thought most clever.

Way nicer than crested geckos lol

Very nice!!! Keep an eye on the christmas. I have a male who looked the same up to about 3 years old then he took off! Here he is now.
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv279/Kingnaja8458/pics2/2011-07-22213503.jpg

This diversity in colors, magnificent

Drausio

They are my favorites.