Here's a good question for all you Bush-Leaguer's...Which forums or websites out there actually support scammers, crashers and/or flippers...I have one that will make you scratch your head...

Everyone will probably be upset about this I don't post on Ball-pythons.net b/c JnJ post's over there including there ads for WC gravid females. I don't support it any way shape or form.

They let them post that's pretty much supporting them wouldn't you say? It's helping there business.

BT, thats a tough one. I think there are scumbags at all the online forums. I'm sure eventually some scumbags will find their way here. I say we deal with them promptly.

You won't have a problem with that will ya?

BT, thats a tough one. I think there are scumbags at all the online forums. I'm sure eventually some scumbags will find their way here. I say we deal with them promptly.

You won't have a problem with that will ya?

What are you talking about some are already here haven't you seen the saloon?

I think that was just scratching the surface of the scum. But yes, it was very entertaining.

I don't frequent Fauna like I used to but on the occasions I do go, a few scumbags have banners of some sort up advertising.

The only good thing fauna has is the BOI.

Kingsnake and Fauna...BP.net.....What rubs me the wrong way is sites. That allow known scumbags and flippers to keep posting ad's on there sites. That's a hughe turn off for me...Sure flippers and scumbags have shown up here already and will in the future no doubt....but we usually meet them at the door with guns blazing :machinegun: all the way back out. Allowing known flippers and scum bags, Crashers posting ad's on your site is in my eye's that your in agreement with them as owner of your site. What's the point if you have a whole bunch of threads on bad guys and turn around and let them post ads on your site....Why am I gonna be an active member or take the time on those sites to post my feelings about scammers and so on. When at the front door theres ad's selling there stuff.....Talk about sending mixed signals???? ok I gotta stop now......(lol) I still think there's really good people at all 3 sites don't get me wrong. It's what some of these sites are allowing that bothers me.

I agree with what has been posted so far. I do have problems with scammer, flippers, market crashers and wannabe superstars are allowed on sites. Yes, it's fun to see them crash on some posts, but when the fun falls away they should just get banned. I find it ironic with the BOI is when someone screws someone in a thread, they can still be forum sponsors, buy banners etc. Then on top of that, they just ignore their own BOI thread. WTF!!

Everyone will probably be upset about this I don't post on Ball-pythons.net b/c JnJ post's over there including there ads for WC gravid females. I don't support it any way shape or form.

Ain't nobody going to get upset for having an opinion...JnJ's misrepresenting CH imports is what gets my goat...And yes - I see your point about BP.net selling them banner space...

They let them post that's pretty much supporting them wouldn't you say? It's helping there business.

Yes...

BT, thats a tough one. I think there are scumbags at all the online forums. I'm sure eventually some scumbags will find their way here. I say we deal with them promptly.

You won't have a problem with that will ya?

Scumbags are here...Mainly lurking in the shadows...What I'm talking about is supporting them...Selling them banner ads...Letting them run ads...Ect...

I don't frequent Fauna like I used to but on the occasions I do go, a few scumbags have banners of some sort up advertising.

Fauna was my #1 site...No one has noticed that Rarepythons has a banner flying high on Fauna...

Kingsnake and Fauna...BP.net.....What rubs me the wrong way is sites. That allow known scumbags and flippers to keep posting ad's on there sites. That's a hughe turn off for me...Sure flippers and scumbags have shown up here already and will in the future no doubt....but we usually meet them at the door with guns blazing :machinegun: all the way back out. Allowing known flippers and scum bags, Crashers posting ad's on your site is in my eye's that your in agreement with them as owner of your site. What's the point if you have a whole bunch of threads on bad guys and turn around and let them post ads on your site....Why am I gonna be an active member or take the time on those sites to post my feelings about scammers and so on. When at the front door theres ad's selling there stuff.....Talk about sending mixed signals???? ok I gotta stop now......(lol) I still think there's really good people at all 3 sites don't get me wrong. It's what some of these sites are allowing that bothers me.

Excellent post John...Points well made...

I agree with what has been posted so far. I do have problems with scammer, flippers, market crashers and wannabe superstars are allowed on sites. Yes, it's fun to see them crash on some posts, but when the fun falls away they should just get banned. I find it ironic with the BOI is when someone screws someone in a thread, they can still be forum sponsors, buy banners etc. Then on top of that, they just ignore their own BOI thread. WTF!!

Couldn't have said it better Wild Bill...:yourock:

I think I said it before and got a bunch of shit for it but Fauna will let anyone advertise if they have the money to do so. "Webmaster" will participate in threads exposing wrong doing and yet continue to let them advertise and sell on his forum. Look at the top classifieds posters, Ed, pRick, JnJ, that guy that's working with Capone now it's sick. Kingsnake isn't perfect but at least if someone can prove there is something legitimately wrong KS will ban the person/company. I haven't been on BP.net long enough to know what their deal is -- when I emailed Judy about Rarepythons she was quick to remove his stuff -- but I don't know why they let JnJ continue to post -- has anyone gotten around to asking?

.No one has noticed that Rarepythons has a banner flying high on Fauna...

Oh I noticed it. Its the blinky one with diamond plate background. They have two banners up , the blinky one at top and and clickable box on the side.

I was a big supporter of a lot of sites until recently. I just get a sick feeling when I go on some of them anymore. So many scumbags posting ads and no one doing anything about it. People we KNOW that have screwed people over...... I will stay here from now on.... Where scumbags, middlemen, and flippers arent welcome....

I agree with what has been posted so far. I do have problems with scammer, flippers, market crashers and wannabe superstars are allowed on sites. Yes, it's fun to see them crash on some posts, but when the fun falls away they should just get banned. I find it ironic with the BOI is when someone screws someone in a thread, they can still be forum sponsors, buy banners etc. Then on top of that, they just ignore their own BOI thread. WTF!!

Exactly

This would be a great topic to cover on the show! Let it be known that these forums are enabling more people to get screwed.

I think everyone has already mentioned how I feel about it all... but money talks for some of those sites.... Integrity and credibility takes a back seat, like way back in some dark corner.... which reflects on those site owners imo!

I pretty much ditched fauna years ago after the "webmster" admitted he reads people's pm's in chat one night. I guess the final straw was him saying he'd never charge to use the site, then, boom.... it's charges left and right!

So it's really no surprise to see dirt bag banners flying! I think the admin has totally lost site of how the hobby should be promoted.... I wouldn't pay a penny to have access to fauna!

Bp.net, what can you say..... jnj fly, so I don't support that site either. I think it's time some of these site owners took a good look at them selves and do what is right.... it's not too late to correct the wrongs.... what's dirty can be cleaned up if only they'd try.

Larry and BT have done a killer job with this forum. I love the fact that this forum does not support scumbags. I have been here since day 1 and I'll keep coming back. But.....

I will visit any forum I can get good information from. I think buyers should do their own homework, and an ad on a forum isn't a vote for a vendor. I think it's great if a forum owner denies certain scumbags, but I don't put the responsibility on them. If they are ripping people off then boot them, but scumbag to one is not always scumbag to another. I think it would be hard to please everyone by allowing or denying advertisers.

I may take a bit of heat for saying so, but I like having all the boards for all the information and pics. If they need to sell ad space to keep the boards running, then sell them. As long as the advertiser is not straight up ripping people off of course. I won't buy from them, but it's a free market.

JUST my opinion. :cheers:

I didn't see anyone mention kingsnake.... I think they're number one when it comes to letting flippers/scammers/jobbers run ads on their site... I understand it's not up to kingsnake to police the market and keep on top of who sells what, but seriously, it's not hard to figure out who the flippers are.

And BT, I noticed the Rarepythons banner on fauna...that's what I started the watch dog thread. It's a disgrace that money from a guy like that would be accepted so he can sell his trash.

i think it would be better to have a list of the scammer,flippers and scumbags then the places that let them post

To be honest, I don't usually notice sponsorship ads on most sites that I visit. Once I realize what area of the page they're in, I pretty much ignore that area. If someone is a known scammer, such as Rare Pythons, the webmaster should be responsible enough to pull any ads. However, when it comes to someone like JnJ, it gets a little more blurry. I'll admit I don't know much about him other than he hypes up his ch imports and does some flipping. Which while I don't condone it, and I don't see myself ever making a purchase from him, doesn't necessarily make him ineligible for sponsorship in my eyes. That really is up to the owner of the forum, because when it comes down to it, bandwidth costs money and the bills have to be paid. I don't know what the financial status is of any of these other sites, but there's a reason cash is king.

[QUOTE=jknudson;44810]I didn't see anyone mention kingsnake.... I think they're number one when it comes to letting flippers/scammers/jobbers run ads on their site... I understand it's not up to kingsnake to police the market and keep on top of who sells what, but seriously, it's not hard to figure out who the flippers are.

And BT, I noticed the Rarepythons banner on fauna...that's what I started the watch dog thread. It's a disgrace that money from a guy like that would be accepted so he can sell his trash.[/QUOTE



AGREED

I think I said it before and got a bunch of shit for it but Fauna will let anyone advertise if they have the money to do so. "Webmaster" will participate in threads exposing wrong doing and yet continue to let them advertise and sell on his forum. Look at the top classifieds posters, Ed, pRick, JnJ, that guy that's working with Capone now it's sick. Kingsnake isn't perfect but at least if someone can prove there is something legitimately wrong KS will ban the person/company. I haven't been on BP.net long enough to know what their deal is -- when I emailed Judy about Rarepythons she was quick to remove his stuff -- but I don't know why they let JnJ continue to post -- has anyone gotten around to asking?


if you actually ever read any of webmasters post it always only concerns money. hes only in it for money. he dont care who post or what the paid members do really as long as they pay for the site. most post people will get banned for some of them get nothing said, he lets ed clark, rick deinom (if thats how his name is spelled) and a few other paying members that pay to advertise or make the 250.00 contribution a year do as they please. bp.net isnt as bad as fauna eyt but i think its getting there and that redtailbaos.com or dot net is full of chit and crooks. there are a couple thats decent but doesnt have alot of traffic and theres a couple thats decent that does have traffic but i have never dealt with anyone from them. to me the BLBC is the best forum out and is ran properly and keeps out the known scum from selling on it, you guys put integrity,pride and reputation before money and thats what makes a true reptile forum and community.

I didn't see anyone mention kingsnake.....

I see you didn't read my post :greenman:

So if it is all about the money would they have issues with us chipping in a dollar here or a dollar there to run competing ads on these sites that are anti flippers....even calling them out by name or making some sort of anti ad with a likeness to their designs....then just have them all directed here.

I think I said it before and got a bunch of shit for it but Fauna will let anyone advertise if they have the money to do so. "Webmaster" will participate in threads exposing wrong doing and yet continue to let them advertise and sell on his forum. Look at the top classifieds posters, Ed, pRick, JnJ, that guy that's working with Capone now it's sick. Kingsnake isn't perfect but at least if someone can prove there is something legitimately wrong KS will ban the person/company. I haven't been on BP.net long enough to know what their deal is -- when I emailed Judy about Rarepythons she was quick to remove his stuff -- but I don't know why they let JnJ continue to post -- has anyone gotten around to asking?

Great post Tosha...I agree about Fauna - No excuse...And selling banner ads to Rarepythons - Good God man - No excuse whatsoever...I agree too about KS...Not perfect but they will do something sometimes...Look at High End Herps - Couldn't prove they were a actually business - Gotta go...Love at the $600 Pied ad - It came down...As far as BP.net - They know JnJ is a scammer...There have been too many threads that I've been a part of for them not to know...Hell I use to rack up the rep points for bashing Josh...:lol:...The only people that would stick up for JnJ were the newbies who thought I was a mean and terrible guy...Newbies are what make BP.net go round and round...I'm sure the owers of BP.net wouldn't want to offend a bunch of newbies who don't know any better so why bother asking - Like I said they know and they choose to turn a blind eye...

One of the many reasons I like this forum as well as the rules for the classifieds. Thanks to everybody for making this place what it is.

So if it is all about the money would they have issues with us chipping in a dollar here or a dollar there to run competing ads on these sites that are anti flippers....even calling them out by name or making some sort of anti ad with a likeness to their designs....then just have them all directed here.

probably would if you paid the 250 a year membership and paid for advertising banners on the site, other than that they probably wouldnt let you lol

So if it is all about the money would they have issues with us chipping in a dollar here or a dollar there to run competing ads on these sites that are anti flippers....even calling them out by name or making some sort of anti ad with a likeness to their designs....then just have them all directed here.
Some of them would. I would almost bet money it wouldnt fly on fauna..... especially if it is pointing to a different forum. Rich has made it clear he wont let people advertise competing websites there....