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Gregg M
06-21-2011, 07:43 PM
What can be the cause?

What do hognose snakes get in nature that they generally do not get in a rack system? The answer is lots of UV exposure...They are out baskig and producng D3... D3 helps the body absorb and utilize calcium... If there is no D3 being produced, any calcium being taken in is useless...

I am now feeding my breeder female hogs mice with the ass ends dipped in powdered vionate every couple of feedings... It has vitamins, minerals, calcium, and D3... I want to see if this makes a difference with the calcification of eggs and overall health...

Sputnik
06-21-2011, 07:54 PM
What can be the cause?

What do hognose snakes get in nature that they generally do not get in a rack system? The answer is lots of UV exposure...They are out baskig and producng D3... D3 helps the body absorb and utilize calcium... If there is no D3 being produced, any calcium being taken in is useless...

I am now feeding my breeder female hogs mice with the ass ends dipped in powdered vionate every couple of feedings... It has vitamins, minerals, calcium, and D3... I want to see if this makes a difference with the calcification of eggs and overall health...

That could well be... I've wondered about this with certain species. I can't see the CD3 cocktail hurting any, be interesting to see if anything becomes of it.

kare
06-21-2011, 07:57 PM
A few years ago, I was having trouble with this. Jenea told me to dip the butts of the mice in calcium D3 back then (every third feeding) and viola! the last two years, no problems with eggs not having enough calcium! You'll be happy with the results!

Sputnik
06-21-2011, 07:59 PM
A few years ago, I was having trouble with this. Jenea told me to dip the butts of the mice in calcium D3 back then (every third feeding) and viola! the last two years, no problems with eggs not having enough calcium! You'll be happy with the results!

Sweet, looks like da mystery is already solved! :cheers:

ddodge
06-21-2011, 08:23 PM
I had that problem this year with a female. Her eggs were fertile but not calcified and died shortly during incubation. I was able to double clutch her and supplimented her mice with reptical with d3 and it worked. Her second clutch was calcified and still look great.

Gregg M
06-21-2011, 09:07 PM
Iam glad to see I am not the only one to come to the conclusion that snakes need supplements even if just sometimes...

I just dont get the mentality when it comes supplementaion or lack there of when it comes to snakes... If you look at any lizard species, their diets are always supplemented... Why would snakes be any different???

Ozz465
06-21-2011, 09:14 PM
Snakes consume vertebrate prey unlike lizards so the idea is snakes are fine without any xtra help , but yea makes sense to add xtra d3 to there diet when in breeding mode.Perhaps feeding non adult mice also contributes to the lack of calcification?

Gregg M
06-22-2011, 08:12 AM
Snakes consume vertebrate prey unlike lizards so the idea is snakes are fine without any xtra help , but yea makes sense to add xtra d3 to there diet when in breeding mode.Perhaps feeding non adult mice also contributes to the lack of calcification?

I keep plenty of lizards that eat vertebrate prey and they still need supplements...

The clutch of eggs that had the most undercalcified eggs was from my 600 gram adult mouse eater...

I have seen this in kings and corns but not as often... After supplementation was offered the problem never came back...

smilin-buddha
06-22-2011, 09:28 PM
I remember that they had a article before about Graybands in Reptile Magazine. The breeder use supplements with their Graybands