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Varanus99
01-03-2009, 08:39 AM
Hey y'all.

Seems like ackie mania has hit the BLBC. Ive gotten some PMs and emails regarding them. I always like to address that stuff here since maybe some other folks might be interested.

So here are some ackie basics for ya. I know Ive discussed these topics before in more detail. This is the cliff notes version. Im gonna hit on some questions Ive gotten.

Yellow ackies, Varanus acanthurus brachyurus, are the ones I currently keep. They grow to be 16" to 24" and reach adult size in 1.5-2 years. Males get larger than females.

They will feed on the usual monitor fare. All manner of insects and small rodents. They will eat just about anything but I believe a diet of whole prey is the way to go. I feed roaches and rodents. You can supplement with a small amount of fresh ground turkey if you wish. It will do no harm but it should only make up a small % of the diet. You could also feed small birds like quail if you like. Aside from whole prey and a little turkey I wouldnt mess with anything else. Keep it simple. Stick to what works.

They are not snakes. They need to be fed more often. Hatchlings and juvies should be fed daily. As much as they will eat. You cant overfeed a baby monitor. Adults can be fed every day or every other day. I go every other day since my adults usually pig out and then arent really interested in food for 24-48 hours. Thats fine. I just make sure they have food when they want it.

An adult pair or trio could live in a 4x2 enclosure their entire lives. That would be the minimum and in truth they would prefer more space. They will utilize as much space as you give them and to really see them shine they need large cages. I go with 6' x 3' for a trio and Im content with that. And they seem to be as well.

They generally are not aggressive. But they are fiesty. None of mine are what could be considered mean but they wont flop on your lap for an hour like a bearded dragon. They are varanids after all. They are inquisitive, they will explore any new surroundings. And they dont like to be restrained. Handling them without restricting their movement too much is the way to go.

Ive never seen one use their tail as a weapon. They use it more as protection. When they enter a burrow they will curl their tail around the entrance in an effort to provide any would be predator a face full of spikes. But Ive never seen one tail lash like some other species. Mine dont hiss or puff up. They are pretty mellow as far as varanids go.

They are not shy like a tristis or even a young water. They very quickly learn where their food is coming from and will bum rush you when you approach the cage. If they are out basking and a human appears they usually wont run and hide. However sudden movements will of course startle them and cause them seek cover.

Im a big fan of deep substrates for varanids and these guys are gophers. Check my thread about substrates for more info. In short, about 10-12" of a sand/soil mix seems to work. Semi-moist but not soaking wet. If provided with a good substrate that does not collapse they will dig burrows. Way cool.

They like it hot. For adults I suggest a basking spot of 130-150 degrees and could even go higher. For hatchlings I go 120-130. Just a SPOT not the whole cage or even one whole side. Just one area large enough to cover the animals entire body (including the tail) is all that is needed. The rest of the cage by be various temps ranging from 90-100 on the hot side down to 75-80 on the cool end. A drop at night is not harmful but I wouldnt go much lower than 75.

I provide a day/night cycle. Some keepers leave the lights on 24/7. There is some debate about whether or not light cycling is required. Its just how Ive always kept my herps so I continue to do so.

I provide them witha water bowl although Ive never seen one drink from it. I *have* seen them lap up some water when I spray them. But I leave the bowl in there just in case they want it and it adds a little humidity to whatever area I put it in. Plus they love to run through it and fill it with dirt so idiot boy can go run and clean it for them. Its kinda like a game. As soon as I clean it they get it dirty. If its dirty they leave it alone. Spiteful little bastards.

Nice, tight hides are a must. They love to squeeze into tight spaces. I love Retes Stacks (All Hail) but cork bark flats and various other items can also work. As long as its snug. At least some of the hides should also be humid. Spraying under the hides periodically will help keep them moist.

When it comes to ackies and varanids in general the key is choices. Ill say this until Im blue in the face: Give them as many choices as you can and let them pick what they want. Choices of heat, humidity,hides, etc. The more choices WE make for them the worse off we, as keepers, usually are.

Now personality. Im biased, but these are my favorite lizards. Its everything cool about a monitor pint sized. Ackies are just plain fun. They are goofballs. They are always up to something. And keeping them in groups just adds to the mayhem. If you've ever seen one chase a cricket when it already has a cricket in its mouth you know what I mean :D

Ok I think I covered what I wanted to cover in this post :yessir:

Quig
01-03-2009, 08:48 AM
I'm one of them what's almost sold on ackies:D I think once I get a place set up for a couple I'm takin' the leap :wamma:

kare
01-03-2009, 08:58 AM
Thanks for the info, V.
Quig, you'll love them. They are such greedy clowns! Here's a couple of ours -(please excuse the flaky leftovers from the roaches they devoured)
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/kareo/Ackies/DSCF1103.jpg

norsmis
01-03-2009, 09:23 AM
Nice post V! You have me convinced to get a couple now! Bush League Baby!!!!

Mrs. Sputnik
01-03-2009, 09:25 AM
Thanks for the info V nad we love the one we have

StudentoftheReptile
01-03-2009, 09:41 AM
Question: do you offer UVB lighting to your ackies?

I know having it is obviously more beneficial to not having it, so I don't want to get into that long debate (which is hardly a debate anyway). I just want to know if YOU offer it.

rocko
01-03-2009, 09:43 AM
How much would I have to pay for a quality trio of them?

Rapture
01-03-2009, 01:30 PM
Those ackies are so cool. I think we should discuss enclosure ideas a bit more. :)

147BOAS
01-03-2009, 02:40 PM
thanks V for the info

Varanus99
01-03-2009, 05:36 PM
Question: do you offer UVB lighting to your ackies?

I know having it is obviously more beneficial to not having it, so I don't want to get into that long debate (which is hardly a debate anyway). I just want to know if YOU offer it.

This is a great question and a topic Im very interested in. Dont worry my friend no long debates here :D. I'll just give ya my quick two cents worth.

I do not use UVB lighting. Not for ackies or any other varanid. Ive had lots of monitors for many years. They eat, grow, breed, lay fertile eggs all with no UVB.

Personally, as far as varanids go, I believe that heat is far more important than UVB.

Whether or not they would do *better* with it is hard to say. I mean, I really have no problems. They seem to be thriving. I dont know if UVB would make them thrive more, if you get what Im saying.

Ive thought about it. Ive read about it. Some of the big boys in the game (Retes, Ravi, Robyn) dont use UVB. Im sure some folks do and hey thats great. I dont think it does them any harm. But I also think at least as far as ackies go its not necessary. Just my opinion. If someone wants to provide them with UVB more power to ya.

Varanus99
01-03-2009, 05:39 PM
How much would I have to pay for a quality trio of them?

Id say somewhere in the range of $450-$550.

Of course if you shop you might find them for less than that. And you may also find them higher. But that seems to be the market average.

Varanus99
01-03-2009, 05:40 PM
Thanks for the info, V.
Quig, you'll love them. They are such greedy clowns! Here's a couple of ours -(please excuse the flaky leftovers from the roaches they devoured)
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/kareo/Ackies/DSCF1103.jpg

Those are sweet lookin' Kare. Yes greedy clowns is a very good description :D

Varanus99
01-03-2009, 05:41 PM
Nice post V! You have me convinced to get a couple now! Bush League Baby!!!!

Got another one!

Ackie Mania is running wild, brutha!!!

Varanus99
01-03-2009, 05:42 PM
Those ackies are so cool. I think we should discuss enclosure ideas a bit more. :)

Twist my arm....

Ok thats what Ill talk about next!!!!!

Im easy :yessir:

Varanus99
01-03-2009, 05:44 PM
I'm one of them what's almost sold on ackies:D I think once I get a place set up for a couple I'm takin' the leap :wamma:

Almost? What else do I have to do to convince ya? :D

You want me to tap dance? Hey, Ill tap dance. No shame in my game.

constrictorkeeper
01-03-2009, 05:48 PM
well that pretty much puts an end to the UVB problem.
great info V-ster, you even make the bulbs hot !
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Varanus99
01-03-2009, 05:51 PM
well that pretty much puts an end to the UVB problem.
great info V-ster, you even make the bulbs hot !
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Well Im not the final word on that. Its just what I do. I encourage everyone to do their own research and make their own decisions.

But yeah I do make the bulbs hot. I can melt steel, baby.

kare
01-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Those are sweet lookin' Kare. Yes greedy clowns is a very good description :D
Thanks V, I enjoy them sooooo much.
The other one was hiding in a log, so didn't get in the pic. We kept one baby from a clutch the trio had almost 2 years ago. She's getting big! I love watching them chow down. Like V said, they'll have one in their mouth and try to chase down another...its hilarious! Everyone should have some ackies!

Tama
01-03-2009, 08:30 PM
Great post once again V. The clift notes version is as helpful as the others.

Kare nice pic of your ackies.

If we ever add on to the house they will be an addition to the collection for sure.

kare
01-03-2009, 08:32 PM
Thanks Tama. I totally endorse you getting some!

Rapture
01-03-2009, 08:32 PM
Seems like most reptiles with a diet of meat only don't need UVB? Is that a direct correlation?

Larry
01-03-2009, 10:09 PM
Nice job V some great info there forsure...:rockon:

Varanus99
01-04-2009, 02:24 AM
Nice job V some great info there forsure...:rockon:

:yessir:

luciddream
01-04-2009, 04:25 AM
Thanks for another great post. I really appreciate it. :yourock:

West Coast Pythons
01-04-2009, 06:04 AM
Great post !
I cant wait to get a ackies project started ! I have been sold on the ackies for a long time .

JChandler
01-04-2009, 09:15 AM
Great post V!

Clay Davenport
01-04-2009, 01:22 PM
Excellent post V.
I've kept ackies for 6 years and can attest to what a joy they are to keep. They are my favorite lizard also.
I don't breed them anymore however. Do you produce hatchlings from yours? I still occasionally have people contact me looking for hatchlings, and they seem to not be as commonly bred as they were several years ago, I'd like to have someone I can send them to.

Varanus99
01-04-2009, 04:06 PM
Excellent post V.
I've kept ackies for 6 years and can attest to what a joy they are to keep. They are my favorite lizard also.
I don't breed them anymore however. Do you produce hatchlings from yours? I still occasionally have people contact me looking for hatchlings, and they seem to not be as commonly bred as they were several years ago, I'd like to have someone I can send them to.

Thank you Clay. Means a lot coming from you. You're one of the guys Ive turned to for advice over the years.

Yes, I do produce hatchlings. I have a small group of ackies and dont produce massive numbers but I usually have hatchlings available at least a few times a year if all goes well. I had some egg issues this year and didnt produce that many. But I think I have that issue ironed out so the upcoming season should be better.

I have a big female test digging as we speak. She's huge. She may break her old record eggwise :D

Sputnik
01-04-2009, 05:09 PM
Great info as always!

African Beast
01-07-2009, 07:52 AM
You just keep pushing me closer to the lizard edge...herps with legs just aint right...
No, just kidding!
Again great post V, only thing that keeps me away from them is the day to day feedings...I like that the snakes can be left alone for a week and all is fine.
THE B

Varanus99
01-07-2009, 07:57 AM
You just keep pushing me closer to the lizard edge...herps with legs just aint right...
No, just kidding!
Again great post V, only thing that keeps me away from them is the day to day feedings...I like that the snakes can be left alone for a week and all is fine.
THE B

No doubt about that Beast. The lizards are much more work. I have kept snakes in the past. Much easier. I know people who have 100, 150, 200 ball pythons. And still have a life. If I had 100 ackies I would need to snort coffee to keep up. :D

FloridaHogs
01-07-2009, 08:51 AM
Another great post V. You really should do a book, or at least an Ebook!

Clay Davenport
01-07-2009, 10:22 AM
Thank you Clay. Means a lot coming from you. You're one of the guys Ive turned to for advice over the years.

Yes, I do produce hatchlings. I have a small group of ackies and dont produce massive numbers but I usually have hatchlings available at least a few times a year if all goes well. I had some egg issues this year and didnt produce that many. But I think I have that issue ironed out so the upcoming season should be better.

I have a big female test digging as we speak. She's huge. She may break her old record eggwise :D

That's great, I'll be sure to direct the people who contact me in the future to you.

Varanus99
01-09-2009, 07:09 PM
That's great, I'll be sure to direct the people who contact me in the future to you.

Right on. I will do my best to accommodate them.