I apologize upfront if this is long-winded, but I have to get a few things off my chest.

As many of you know I hatched out 3.1 Bananas a few days ago. I made a conscious decision to post my results on a public forum for two reasons.

1) First and foremost I was very excited and surprised at my good fortune… and like any other hobbyist I wanted to share this with others who could appreciate how lucky I was to hatch such a cool clutch.

2) Recent events within the ball python industry has made me realize the importance of full disclosure. I am speaking specifically about the Candy/Toffee debacle.

Let me elaborate on item #2. Last year I invested over $50,000 in the candy/toffee projects. $48,500 of it being cash… no trade, hard, cold cash. Before I invested I had heard rumors of the mutation being compatible with the Lavender gene. I was okay with this and thought I was making an informed decision. Right before the rumors started about the albino gene certain individuals had got wind of this before me and tried to dump the project on me and other unsuspecting individuals. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one that was offered sub-adult hets and visuals right before the news broke. I also later learned that at least one of the individuals who took my money knew about this and kept it hush in the name of “good marketing.”

So when the news came out I was just as surprised as everyone. I’m okay with the fact that the gene is compatible with albino and I still intend to work the project because I sincerely like it. This will be my next Het Red project… people crapped on the het red project yet I still found it to be rewarding and very profitable. What I’m not okay with is the fact that people were dishonest and shady about the whole thing. For whatever reason several people kept quiet while other people invested good money into this project. Some tried to quietly dump their projects when they first heard. I think it’s the shady way in which this all played out that has really hurt this project and left a permanent stain on it. You now have several people in the project who are pissed and determined to exact revenge… to me this is bad marketing at it’s worst. It’s bad for the Candy/Toffee project and it’s bad for the ball python industry as a whole. It discourages investment, breeds animosity and creates a lot of suspicion. Some people thrive on this… I don’t.

Now as far as the Bananas go, I like most don’t know what to believe. With all the shady stuff that goes on in this industry who can blame one for being cynical? I just hope that whole thing is not a marketing ploy and is true, because if it isn’t the damage to the market on this amazing mutation and the ball python industry itself will be significant. If it is a lie, the sooner it’s revealed the better. And if it is true, the sooner it’s validated the better. This is why I feel full and open disclosure is paramount in protecting this project for everyone that has invested or hopes to invest in the future. This is why I posted my results and this is why I will continue to share my results. I know many of you trust me and know I will be straight up about my results come what may. I know this makes some people uncomfortable, but I don’t give a shit. I never had to lie and be shady to make money and have success in this industry and I don’t plan on starting now.

Now, to address the personal attacks. Since posting my results I have received several anonymous emails, threatening texts and have been attacked privately as well as publicly. I have been accused of trashing the banana market and selling my male cheap by a very nasty individual and a few of his cohorts. This weasel started spreading lies and rumors almost immediately. Many of you know his MO. It’s actually pretty funny… I won’t spend anymore time bashing this idot. If you want to see his ignorance and arrogance in full display, there is plenty of content all over the web for everyone to read.

To all who have heard these lies…

I have been in business for 9 years and I have completed countless transactions with many of you. Have you ever known me to trash a project or be dishonest in the name of profit or revenge for that matter? Yeah, I don’t like certain people in the game… I think they are greedy, shady and simply obnoxious. But I’ll be damned if I’m gonna trash my own project or hurt other people that are invested just to get at one individual.

So to set the record straight here is the truth. I did sell a male before he even had his first shed and I could have sold all three males if I wanted. I netted $25k cash and $42k retail in good trade. The individual I sold the snake to shall remain unnamed unless he chooses to reveal himself. And the best part about it… I did not have to lie or hide males in the name of good marketing to close the deal. Wow, go figure…

To all the people who have sent me congrats and supported me over the years, thank you.:yes:

To all the haters, quit your whining and get over it.:machinegun:

Oz

Nice post Oz.. You have my respect..

great post!

i appreciate that!

Good for you OZ. :cheers:

Squash the rumors and send them to bed.
I wish you all the best. :yes:

Oz have done business with you and respect you and your ethics.

Awesome post

Thanks for the post and the transparency, Oz.
You are certainly one of the good guys and there are plenty of us who stand behind you.
Cheers!
John

Oz,
It is a shame that one had to drag you through the coals to start spreading poop. I read the rumors and thought that why in the world would someone bring Oz (one of the nicest guys in the business) into the shit pot just to create havoc.

Excellent post, and many grats on that clutch. I send my best regards and hope you continue with the great success you have had up to now.

You have had,and will continue to have my respect Oz!

Thanks for posting Oz .

Oz,
This industry/hobby needs more people like you in it. Once money becomes a factor the greed takes over. This disgusting characteristic has reared its ugly head many times with a certin few. I believe that this hobby needs to be honest with itself as lying will only hurt the hobby even more. It begins to wear on smaller breeders as who you can trust anymore. When your "so-called friends" are really only looking for $$$$ makes you rethink your friendships..

Once again it was refreshing to read your post. You are a good guy and Thank you for opening up to the BLBC community.

Were the threatening emails because you sold a male, or because you were honest about producing so many males? I dont see how any rational person could consider selling a male for a total of $67,000 in cash and trade as "trashing the market".

I think most of us appreciate your honesty.

Nick

Nice post Oz!!!!!

Way to come forward and set the record straight.

You've got respect on these boards Oz...I think you know that. Keep it real and let the haters hate:yes:

Thanks for the honesty Oz, we've done business in the past and I'm sure we will again in the future. :yes:

Mad respect Oz!

I don't know.....something sounds fishy about that Oz guy. :rolleyes:

Hahaha! Just kidding, of course. Integrity is one thing that no one can take from us, yet we continually see people giving theirs away. Way to be a man of character, Oz! :yes:

I've always respected ya Oz.... your a roll model for how business should be done in this hobby. Keep doing what your doing.

Good for you Oz! :cheers:

I guess I am going against the majority on this one here. If they were selling for $50-60K, and someone were selling them for 30K. I would think most of you here would call Oz a market crasher? I was told last week he had them at 30K. I personally have not purchased from Ozzy. I tried a couple of times at Tinley Park, and the guy would not give me the time of day. So I spent money else were. I think the big picture here is the banana/coral glow project still makes some of the most beautiful crosses out there. I personalty have a banana mojaves and a pastel coral glow.
Yes, I have heard the rumors of other breeders freezing males. Come on how stupid is that! I have been in the hobby for 25 years. I have seen a lot. These rumors are not the first of this type. I guess I give Oz credit for coming out and using his name. It seems as so many want to hide behind some secret code name.
Yes I would say I am a good friend of Brock`s as well. I also have done a ton of business with Brad Boa as well, but how is Oz a hero? In other posts the same type of behavior makes him a market crasher? These are just my opinions. So feel free to rip me a part here as well. Thanks for reading Jim

I guess I am going against the majority on this one here. If they were selling for $50-60K, and someone were selling them for 30K. I would think most of you here would call Oz a market crasher? I was told last week he had them at 30K.

We should label someone a market crasher because "You heard."?


Yes I would say I am a good friend of Brock`s as well. I also have done a ton of business with Brad Boa as well, but how is Oz a hero? In other posts the same type of behavior makes him a market crasher? These are just my opinions. So feel free to rip me a part here as well. Thanks for reading Jim

Hero? Over playing a bit aren't we? People appreciate his honesty, the way he does business, no one is calling him a hero, just posting that they respect the guy.

Your post seems motivated more out of being a little bent out of shape because he won't deal with you, so you want to create a scenario that he's a market crasher. :dunno:

I think most of us here at the BLBC appreciate your honesty Oz :yes:

You da man Oz.

Dan

Honesty is always the best policy. Cheers to you for being a stand up guy. Too bad everyone isnt. Think how many more people would buy into projects without hesitation if things were covered up, and I can think of many things in the ball game that have been kept secret over the years.......

Honesty is always the best policy. Cheers to you for being a stand up guy. Too bad everyone isnt. Think how many more people would buy into projects without hesitation if things were covered up, and I can think of many things in the ball game that have been kept secret over the years.......
Not just balls Nick, started way before the first ball morph was made.

Not just balls Nick, started way before the first ball morph was made.

Im sure, its just disappointing.
On a slightly different not just stumbled onto this and it made me laugh after reading this thread :
http://www.youtube.com/user/AnthonyCaponetto#p/u/4/92s_5q3RzPI

Congrats......Oz you have always been a good person to deal with .... So keep pushing forward and don't let it bother you ......

Well here is a short story - and my $0.02 if anyone is interested.

I started out, and for the most part remain, a "Boa Guy". Almost from the beginning it has been part of my plan to eventually branch out into other species that I appreciate and want to work with - Ball Pythons occupying the top spot of a very short list.

For some time I have been attempting to do my due diligence and immerse myself as much as possible in the "Ball Python World" and learn as much as I can about the animals, the market and all that entails.

After several months of following all the drama that hangs like a cloud over nearly every exciting project I had almost decided that maybe BP's aren't for me. Bananas, Toffees, Deserts, etc etc. etc. You can't mention one of these guys without stumbling into a bitch session or a pissing contest.

In my opinion we don't have drama like this in Boas. Granted, there is no such thing as a 60k boa anymore, (if there ever was) but Deserts are a 3k animal at this point and you still can't turn around without stepping in someone's Desert B.S.

Having people like Ozzy come on here and (from what I can tell, I don't know him at all) just be 100% honest and put everything on the table feels like someone let the stale air out of the room and turned on a ceiling fan. Even so, it seems there are still people that want to drag everything and everyone through the mud.

I don't know what I'm going to do; you can do so much cool stuff with BP's - I just don't know if I can stomach all the baggage. What do you guys think? If anyone got to the bottom of this post I mean. :)

I have never heard a bad word about OZ! Thanks for the honesty! Anyone one who thinks 67K is market crashing has their head stuck where the sun dont shine! Sounds like envy and jealousy to me!

I've always respected ya Oz.... your a roll model


Hero? Over playing a bit aren't we?

sput...
jim just said "hero" 'cause you said oz looked like a "roll"...

last i saw oz, he was still lean 'n mean.





good post oswald.
eloquently stated too.
i'm no fan of purposeful obfuscation myself... ugly stuff.
ck

I guess I am going against the majority on this one here. If they were selling for $50-60K, and someone were selling them for 30K. I would think most of you here would call Oz a market crasher? I was told last week he had them at 30K. I personally have not purchased from Ozzy. I tried a couple of times at Tinley Park, and the guy would not give me the time of day. So I spent money else were. I think the big picture here is the banana/coral glow project still makes some of the most beautiful crosses out there. I personalty have a banana mojaves and a pastel coral glow.
Yes, I have heard the rumors of other breeders freezing males. Come on how stupid is that! I have been in the hobby for 25 years. I have seen a lot. These rumors are not the first of this type. I guess I give Oz credit for coming out and using his name. It seems as so many want to hide behind some secret code name.
Yes I would say I am a good friend of Brock`s as well. I also have done a ton of business with Brad Boa as well, but how is Oz a hero? In other posts the same type of behavior makes him a market crasher? These are just my opinions. So feel free to rip me a part here as well. Thanks for reading Jim

Really Jim? So you are buddies with Brock and Brad, wow I would never have guessed. Is this the best you could come up with? You heard... I guess it's true then.

Thanks everyone... I appreciate your support and I think a lot of people are tired of all the BS and greed. Like I said, come what may...

Oz

Really Jim? So you are buddies with Brock and Brad, wow I would never have guessed. Is this the best you could come up with? You heard... I guess it's true then.

Thanks everyone... I appreciate your support and I think a lot of people are tired of all the BS and greed. Like I said, come what may...

Oz
I'll guarantee you one thing. You show up at an expo and never have to look over your shoulder. Some others might not say so, but they are constantly wondering when some of their crap is going to come back and bite them. When you lay your head down on your pillow tonight, you'll feel the difference. Regardless of the impact it makes, anyone is to be commended for telling the truth, and I'd go one step further, exposing frauds....by name.

Well here is a short story - and my $0.02 if anyone is interested.

I started out, and for the most part remain, a "Boa Guy". Almost from the beginning it has been part of my plan to eventually branch out into other species that I appreciate and want to work with - Ball Pythons occupying the top spot of a very short list.

For some time I have been attempting to do my due diligence and immerse myself as much as possible in the "Ball Python World" and learn as much as I can about the animals, the market and all that entails.

After several months of following all the drama that hangs like a cloud over nearly every exciting project I had almost decided that maybe BP's aren't for me. Bananas, Toffees, Deserts, etc etc. etc. You can't mention one of these guys without stumbling into a bitch session or a pissing contest.

In my opinion we don't have drama like this in Boas. Granted, there is no such thing as a 60k boa anymore, (if there ever was) but Deserts are a 3k animal at this point and you still can't turn around without stepping in someone's Desert B.S.

Having people like Ozzy come on here and (from what I can tell, I don't know him at all) just be 100% honest and put everything on the table feels like someone let the stale air out of the room and turned on a ceiling fan. Even so, it seems there are still people that want to drag everything and everyone through the mud.

I don't know what I'm going to do; you can do so much cool stuff with BP's - I just don't know if I can stomach all the baggage. What do you guys think? If anyone got to the bottom of this post I mean. :)

I agree 100%... Ball Pythons and the morphs that come with them are incredible. But.... I want nothing to do with all the drama and it really has turned me off.. It is a giant pissing match! I'll stick with my 3 normal girls and my $200 pin male cause the kids like them but thats about it.

I am NOT trying to pick a fight or hate on Ball pythons, just my opinion..

Well here is a short story - and my $0.02 if anyone is interested.

I started out, and for the most part remain, a "Boa Guy". Almost from the beginning it has been part of my plan to eventually branch out into other species that I appreciate and want to work with - Ball Pythons occupying the top spot of a very short list.

For some time I have been attempting to do my due diligence and immerse myself as much as possible in the "Ball Python World" and learn as much as I can about the animals, the market and all that entails.

After several months of following all the drama that hangs like a cloud over nearly every exciting project I had almost decided that maybe BP's aren't for me. Bananas, Toffees, Deserts, etc etc. etc. You can't mention one of these guys without stumbling into a bitch session or a pissing contest.

In my opinion we don't have drama like this in Boas. Granted, there is no such thing as a 60k boa anymore, (if there ever was) but Deserts are a 3k animal at this point and you still can't turn around without stepping in someone's Desert B.S.

Having people like Ozzy come on here and (from what I can tell, I don't know him at all) just be 100% honest and put everything on the table feels like someone let the stale air out of the room and turned on a ceiling fan. Even so, it seems there are still people that want to drag everything and everyone through the mud.

I don't know what I'm going to do; you can do so much cool stuff with BP's - I just don't know if I can stomach all the baggage. What do you guys think? If anyone got to the bottom of this post I mean. :)

I agree 100%... Ball Pythons and the morphs that come with them are incredible. But.... I want nothing to do with all the drama and it really has turned me off.. It is a giant pissing match! I'll stick with my 3 normal girls and my $200 pin male cause the kids like them but thats about it.

I am NOT trying to pick a fight or hate on Ball pythons, just my opinion..

Let's not highjack Oz's thread.
Good topic but it deserves it's own thread.
I'll start one. :yes:

Let's not highjack Oz's thread.
Good topic but it deserves it's own thread.
I'll start one. :yes:

Good point. Sorry boss.

Great post and you got a customer in me for your honesty. The BS has to stop in my opinion. Thank you Oz!

I approve of this post.

I agree with others, need more people in the business like you.

This hobby/business is like ALL other niche business. You can keep stuff quite for a little while, BUT it will ALWAYS surface. When I had exotic animals (lions, tiger and such)
people would always try to sell off wild caught coon,skunk, grooundhog babies. They would get ALL the newbies, but if an experienced person got some to re-sell or keep back for new breeder stock, the truth would usually come out. Most will look at it as they made their money so no biggie, but in the end MOST of the dishonest will suffer perminate damage to their rep and business. ALWAYS pays to be honest as you can be.

I wanted to say that being open and honest in business has become an uncommon practice. In days past people’s word held much more value than you find in current times. It seems that trickery and deceit have taken the place of honest and integral transactions. This deceitful marketing has led to the breakdown of many in the Ball Python industry. When a business is built on the foundation of lies and deception, it can only hold up for a season. It will eventually come crashing down upon those who have built on such an unsure footing. Not only does it injure and ruin those who laid the foundation but those who played a part in stacking the stones of compromise. Some have openly stated that they love money. How true they have understood themselves to be, as the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. This in some way says it doesn’t matter who I crush or who gets hurt in order to get it. It seems some are willing to do whatever it takes to gain an advantage; even at the expense of hurting others to fatten their own wallet. They choose unjust gain over true and honest business relationship. With all that said, there are still a few who refuse to deal in the atmosphere of lies, deception, compromise and trickery. These are the ones who will advance the industry in a positive direction. Oz, it’s good to see someone willing to be honest and transparent with their business. Thanks for your willingness to expose what’s going on in your dealings.

Dino

I wanted to say that being open and honest in business has become an uncommon practice. In days past people’s word held much more value than you find in current times. It seems that trickery and deceit have taken the place of honest and integral transactions. This deceitful marketing has led to the breakdown of many in the Ball Python industry. When a business is built on the foundation of lies and deception, it can only hold up for a season. It will eventually come crashing down upon those who have built on such an unsure footing. Not only does it injure and ruin those who laid the foundation but those who played a part in stacking the stones of compromise. Some have openly stated that they love money. How true they have understood themselves to be, as the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. This in some way says it doesn’t matter who I crush or who gets hurt in order to get it. It seems some are willing to do whatever it takes to gain an advantage; even at the expense of hurting others to fatten their own wallet. They choose unjust gain over true and honest business relationship. With all that said, there are still a few who refuse to deal in the atmosphere of lies, deception, compromise and trickery. These are the ones who will advance the industry in a positive direction. Oz, it’s good to see someone willing to be honest and transparent with their business. Thanks for your willingness to expose what’s going on in your dealings.

Dino

Preach it, brother Dino!!!!!! Well spoken!

^^ Agreed.

Thanks for the honesty, Oz.

Great post Oz, I have to say, it's refereshing to get full disclosure about one of the highest dollar BP projects.

Sucks that it has become this. Oz posts an amazing clutch, sells a snake and gets shredded for it. I'd be curious to know how many of these 50k- 60k bananas were actually sold for that price before Oz's clutch even existed. LOL at the rumor of him selling a male for 30k and crashing the market. Even if it were true, is getting 30k for a single codom male really crashing the market of a snake that is getting more common by the day? It's really come to bashing someone for being honest about what he hatched?


Either way, I'll be getting into the project at some point. I'll just wait a couple years when they will cost a couple grand.

It's really come to bashing someone for being honest about what he hatched?




yep- thats reality these days i guess

Nice post Oz. I gotta say I have been happy as can be with every deal we have made and look forward to working together in the future. Thanks for the honesty!

Here you go guys.
http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=32469

Excellent post Oz, Unfortuantley there are always shady people in every business.
Congrats again on the Banana's, kickass Job!!

Thanks everyone... I appreciate all the positive feedback. Oz

In every game their is always a hater or two... Oz has ALWAYS been a fair stand up guy to me

I would take up for the banana project but lets be honest guys.... the morph grows into a big ugly spotted turd. I mean come on, were talking prices of a new chevy truck or cadillac car for a f*cking snake? And the name candy and banana sounds so gay. Brock Wagner is a liar, he's hide males for years, he started the BS lies about you need females to make males.... these are ball pythons people... start treating them like it

kevin had ADD and is a dope head. wonder what kind of drugs he likes these days?

I would take up for the banana project but lets be honest guys.... the morph grows into a big ugly spotted turd. I mean come on, were talking prices of a new chevy truck or cadillac car for a f*cking snake? And the name candy and banana sounds so gay. Brock Wagner is a liar, he's hide males for years, he started the BS lies about you need females to make males.... these are ball pythons people... start treating them like it

kevin had ADD and is a dope head. wonder what kind of drugs he likes these days?

Really man..c'mon.

What a tool bag this Boaguy76 is. Glad he's outta here and i hope it's for good.
Who is that anyways (real name)?

Great post, Oz....well put.

It's no secret I'm not a big fan of reptile industry politics, so I'm not taking sides here...I've dealt with Oz years ago, I consider Brock a friend, and from what I know of Brad Boa, he's a stand-up guy too. I know what I think, but I'm not arrogant enough to think it matters...I'm not going to hate anyone for doing what they think is right for the project. We keep snakes in a box...I find it hard to make that out to be some noble pursuit, no matter how one goes about it. Reptile politics are total bullshit, IMO.

What a tool bag this Boaguy76 is. Glad he's outta here and i hope it's for good.
Who is that anyways (real name)?

Matt Tipton - he's not welcome here, never was. So we keep banning every name he signs up under.... really, it's like dealing with an obnoxious spoiled 4 year old who thinks he's funny, but is too stupid to see no one is laughing.

I also later learned that at least one of the individuals who took my money knew about this and kept it hush in the name of “good marketing.” sounds like a guy to avoid.

Since posting my results I have received several anonymous emails, threatening texts and have been attacked privately as well as publicly. I have been accused of trashing the banana market and selling my male cheap by a very nasty individual and a few of his cohorts. This weasel started spreading lies and rumors almost immediately. Many of you know his MO. Wait. So you post the truth and they start trashing you for telling the truth? They sound very lovely. They sound like a couple names I would LOVE to add to my list. :yes:

Your the man Oz. Haven't bought from you yet, you can rest assured we will;)

Here ya go... http://brockwagnerreptiles.com/banana-genetics-and-banana-saga

Ok lets not post this same link in every banana thread..

Very good story by Brock!! :yes:

Guys, my post is not about the sex-linked theory or however crazy it may sound. I'm not saying it's true or not... I don't know but I find it a bit hard to believe. I was simply pissed that I got attacked for posting that I hatched 3 males. If certain breeders choose to hide how many males they have that's their business, but don't attack me because I like to share my results.

This post was also to address the rumors that were intentionally being spread about me selling my males for cheap. I know who started the rumors and when I attempted to call them I got no reply. Then I texted them to pick up the phone and got responses like "don't call me anymore..." and "nice marketing asshole"

Still have the texts to prove it... what did I do other than post my results and brag a little?:dunno:

Let's keep a few facts straight...

Fact... I've always understood that females can make males... never implied that they could not so stop with the smokescreens.

Another fact... Jon from Albinos Unlimited hatches 1.1 in his first clutch from a male. Rumors start almost immediately that he lied and it's really 0.2. He brings the pair to Daytona for all to see. Rumors persist... see a pattern?

Another fact... you can't make a Banana from a Coral Glow or vice versa. Whether they are the same or different is irrelevant. You should label it correctly and let the customer decide...

Another fact I will apologize in advance for being a skeptic. There is so much BS going on in this hobby I don't know what to believe. If I am wrong for being a bit skeptical... so what? I mean can anyone really BLAME ME?


Oz

Even though we haven't done business together,yet,you have full support from me Oz.I have dealt with numerous well known breeders and all have spoken highly of you. You have a lot of support:cheers:

Oz, I feel that you should look at this whole situation with this perspective: The people who have been talking trash to you and think what you said does not matter... they do not matter. What you have said matters to those of us that matter. Just look at the support here and the people it is coming from. All of them are people who's names we all recognize and it is safe to say that most (if not all) of us would be happy to have these people backing us. :cheers:

Another fact I will apologize in advance for being a skeptic. There is so much BS going on in this hobby I don't know what to believe. If I am wrong for being a bit skeptical... so what? I mean can anyone really BLAME ME?

NEVER apologize for being a skeptic. It is the best thing to be. When you are a skeptic you stop to ask questions. Asking questions leads you to getting answers which allows you to determine, for yourself, the veracity of something. If you never bother to ask a question then you are just going to fall for any BS that comes at you. Be a skeptic and be proud of it :yes:

Oz, nearly every person that cares about learning and the truth is a skeptic. Like Asplundii said, the best thing in the world you can be is skeptical. Those who aren't skeptical, just swallow up every crap story they hear and no cause is benefited. Just the fact that you are skeptical shows that you care. And you definitely are not alone. I don't matter, but I'm more than skeptical. You just keep showing off your results and you won't have to worry about marketing, those snakes will sell themselves.

pretty much agree wholeheartedly with the last 4 posts

pretty much agree wholeheartedly with the last 4 posts

:yes: Me too!

i just ask myself one question. if everybody knew that females throw males in normal ratios- why do they attack ozzy for posting his true results???

weird...huh

i just ask myself one question. if everybody knew that females throw males in normal ratios- why do they attack ozzy for posting his true results???

weird...huh


What's weird is I can use the search function on this forum and find an 11 page thread from July 28th 2010 that has both NERD and Brock saying that female banana/coral glows produce both male and female banana/coral glows. Yet there are still people that like to claim that this information was "hidden" from the public.

This information took me all of 3 minutes to find on a public forum.

What's weird is I can use the search function on this forum and find an 11 page thread from July 28th 2010 that has both NERD and Brock saying that female banana/coral glows produce both male and female banana/coral glows. Yet there are still people that like to claim that this information was "hidden" from the public.

This information took me all of 3 minutes to find on a public forum.

i dont why u guys think i thought banana females dont produce males:dunno:

ive never said anything like this. i knew that girls throw boys more often than males, but ive never read just one sentence where its said banana girls produce NORMAL ratios.

ive used the search function in the last couple weeks too and read multiple threads from front to back. meanwhile ive talked to a couple people which are heavly invested in the project, but thats another story...

i watched the videos from raphy again and there kevin says he hatched 2 boys the last season in total- and he has racks full of coral glow females. ive read that will slough from his founder female accordingly only got females etc etc

then i see ozzys post and his first clutch which ends with 3 boys- why did he got attacked if everybody knew that? why get he called reckless with the project and being bad marketing?

the same with the first clutch from jon. he used a male and BAM- he gets another...its weird isnt it?

I echo your thoughts...

I also later learned that at least one of the individuals who took my money knew about this and kept it hush in the name of “good marketing.”



I want a name