Freek Nuyt Reptiles

http://www.fnreptiles.com/

http://www.fnreptiles.com/imgs/collection/gallery/BP Stripapied 1.jpg

http://www.fnreptiles.com/imgs/collection/gallery/BP Stripapied 3.jpg

http://www.fnreptiles.com/imgs/collection/gallery/BP Stripapied 2.jpg

Pretty insane I must say...:rockon:

Wicked looking :yessir:

Hell yeah, that's just NUTZ!!! :hellyea:

What is it? To be honest, I'm not impressed as it looks like the genes are competing too much with each other.

Yeah, I seen it, but I can't for the life of me see 4 genes running around in that snake.. So, it's what? Pastel G-Stripe Pied .... ? I'm not even sure if it is pastel.. I see 2 for sure, what are the other 2?

Very cool. Cant figure it out. I got it! Its a SS Pastel Pied. Thats 4.

Pastel Pied Shatter Pattern G-stripe? :lol: :lol: No idea really.

That snake is amazing!!!!!!! :rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::cheers:

Pretty neat looking but what are the genes?

Unique for sure

Sweet!

Thats crazy looking!

That is wicked :rockon:

That's pretty cool looking.:rockon:

Its unique thats for sure. But I gotta go along with Bry, it looks like there's too much going on in there and everything is muddled.

I can only see three genes myself....what are the four

ooooo He sure has some really nice colors....I like it....I love the one of coming out of the eeeeeeeeegg. He's all like..'hey I was sleepin here...Leave me alone!' :D

Noah and I talked about this last night. I agree, Superstripe Pastel Pied... which would be four genes (Yellowbelly Specter Pastel Pied). I think it's a powerful animal, but I agree with Bryon, the genes are strongly fighting to influence the appearance, and I think it gets overpowered.

Interesting for sure but I third that...what are the genetics? ( remember, I am ball python morph challenged)

I love the the way it looks!

Yep I seens it :) wonder what went into it.

My guess: Pied, Yellow Belly, Specter, Pastel

Noah and I talked about this last night. I agree, Superstripe Pastel Pied... which would be four genes (Yellowbelly Specter Pastel Pied). I think it's a powerful animal, but I agree with Bryon, the genes are strongly fighting to influence the appearance, and I think it gets overpowered.
Could be but what about the undefined white areas? How do you explain that? Those wouldn't be white pied areas. Specter and YB when in combo don't produce them as far as I know, and neither does Pastel :o So how do we explain that?
Or maybe those white undefined areas pop up when these 4 genes are expressed all at once.

Cool looking, but like the others, looks like too many genes are competing. I wonder what they'd decide to breed it to, once its mature? That could be interesting, too.

Just been looking through Freek's other pictures of the morph. Looks to me like the last pictures and the first ones are of two different snakes. The last ones I don't see them with the white undefined areas like on the first one we're discussing here... or it's the same snake and the white undefined areas develop with age??? Calico?

Of course this is all speculation but I wouldnt think Calico would just be undefined white areas randomly. That would suggest Shatter but the Shatter areas are usually black not white even in the Pastel Shatter. Who knows I guess.

Yep, I see what you mean, the white is undefined but doesn't appear random/everywhere. That's also why I mentioned shatter in the first page :lol: imagining the other 3 genes would make the shatter whiter than usual.

Some day we'll know. I read the other day he had one for sale.

stunning! what morphs are in it?

He calls the quad - a Stripapied (so we know it's got pied) he's also hatched out a Striped Pied -- Not quite as pronounced but the same general effect -- so I'd say there is definitely the pied and pastel -- and likely the YB and SS Gene. At least it's not another white pied. :wamma:

I think it's an interesting accomplishment, but it's a wee bit too much gene interaction for my personal taste. Cute little bugger.


Cheers,
Kat

Seems like the general consensus is that it is to "busy".

Yeah, it's probably a Super stripe pastel pied, but wouldn't the pastel blush the head out a little? It looks too dark to have pastel in it as well. Who knows, probably is pastel too.

Noah and I talked about this last night. I agree, Superstripe Pastel Pied... which would be four genes (Yellowbelly Specter Pastel Pied). I think it's a powerful animal, but I agree with Bryon, the genes are strongly fighting to influence the appearance, and I think it gets overpowered.

Yep I seens it :) wonder what went into it.

My guess: Pied, Yellow Belly, Specter, Pastel

He calls the quad - a Stripapied (so we know it's got pied) he's also hatched out a Striped Pied -- Not quite as pronounced but the same general effect -- so I'd say there is definitely the pied and pastel -- and likely the YB and SS Gene. At least it's not another white pied. :wamma:

Yeah, it's probably a Super stripe pastel pied, but wouldn't the pastel blush the head out a little? It looks too dark to have pastel in it as well. Who knows, probably is pastel too.

Time line wise I just don’t see it being a Super Stripe Pastel Pied. To produce one at the very least you would need a Pastel Yellow Belly Het Pied bred to a Het for Pied Specter/Whirlwind/Het Super Stripe. The first Super Stripe was produced in late 2005 and none were released for a few years. The Specter has been produced since 2003 but wasn’t recognized to produce Super Stripes until 2006 -7. We all know how long it takes to get anything with the Pied gene in it up to a breeding size. LOL I could be wrong on this but for some reason I just don’t see it. A Pastel Genetic Stripe Pied is much more likely but even that would be pushing it. Who knows!

Seems like the general consensus is that it is to "busy".

It is not too busy looking to me, I’ll take it. :lol:

A pastel genetic stripe is only 3 though....thought it was a quad.

Time line wise I just don’t see it being a Super Stripe Pastel Pied. To produce one at the very least you would need a Pastel Yellow Belly Het Pied bred to a Het for Pied Specter/Whirlwind/Het Super Stripe. The first Super Stripe was produced in late 2005 and none were released for a few years. The Specter has been produced since 2003 but wasn’t recognized to produce Super Stripes until 2006 -7. We all know how long it takes to get anything with the Pied gene in it up to a breeding size. LOL I could be wrong on this but for some reason I just don’t see it. A Pastel Genetic Stripe Pied is much more likely but even that would be pushing it. Who knows!



It is not too busy looking to me, I’ll take it. :lol:


That makes sense Albey. Good points.

I don't know Albey -- it appears that whatever it is it wasn't something he knew was there as he talks about "markers" - which would lead me to believe he might have his own line of specter. That and he doesn't have a g-stripe in his collection. Anyone email him and ask?

i dont know what is in it but it sure is one amazing looking morph

I don't know Albey -- it appears that whatever it is it wasn't something he knew was there as he talks about "markers" - which would lead me to believe he might have his own line of specter. That and he doesn't have a g-stripe in his collection. Anyone email him and ask?

Well you make some good points Tosha. Just because we are just finding that gene over here doesn’t mean they haven’t had it over there for a lot longer. That guy that comes over and does the National Reptile Breeders Expo every year from MS Reptilian has all sort of crazy looking animals that he actually hand picks in Africa. If some of you haven’t seen his stuff here is the link.

MS Reptilian (http://www.shop1.ms-reptilien.de/)

How the hell do you know what link to click? lol

How the hell do you know what link to click? lol
I went - Animal Stock – Snakes – Ball Pythons and then click on the individual ones. This link will take you right to the individual ones.

http://www.shop1.ms-reptilien.de/index.php?cPath=3_15_16

Wow he does have some really cool stuff. Thanks for the link Albey.

That is awesome.. i really like the mashed together look!! :rockon:

Well you make some good points Tosha. Just because we are just finding that gene over here doesn’t mean they haven’t had it over there for a lot longer. That guy that comes over and does the National Reptile Breeders Expo every year from MS Reptilian has all sort of crazy looking animals that he actually hand picks in Africa. If some of you haven’t seen his stuff here is the link.

MS Reptilian (http://www.shop1.ms-reptilien.de/)
Though they claim Vanilla = het. Super Stripe. Don't know about that...

I'm betting it's a double homozygous pied stripe and he is counting the mutant alleles (two pied and two stripe) to come up with quad.

Wicked Snake

That would be something cool id own. Looks like someone took an eraser and scrubbed it all over the body, or maybe some sandpaper to remove the paintjob :D

I'm betting it's a double homozygous pied stripe and he is counting the mutant alleles (two pied and two stripe) to come up with quad.

Randy can you explain this a little more? I dont understand how there are 2 of each gene. Thanks

never send a man to do a womans job ....

Hi Tosha,

Its a superstripe pastel pied, don't know if it is exactly the same mutation as the superstripes from the US in respect to spectre whirlwind etc that are a base ingredient to make that combo but at least it appears to work the same way, sofar i was fortunate enough to hatch a total of 3 stripapieds in total and one striped pied over the last two years from different females.

Best regards
Freek

Thanks Tosha. :cheers:

I would take one.

:master:

Thats a pretty cool looking beastie
I'm lucky enough to have one of his Bumblebees, probably the cleanest line i've come across yet

i think it's wicked hot...
ck

Yea boy!!!:wamma::wamma::wamma::wamma:

Randy can you explain this a little more? I dont understand how there are 2 of each gene. Thanks

With genetic stripe being recessive it takes two mutant copies of that gene (one from each parent) to make a visible stripe. Same for piebald. So to be both visible genetic stripe and visible piebald it would have to inherit both a mutant genetic stripe gene and a mutant piebald gene from both parents for a total of 4 mutant versions of the two genes combined. That leaves no room for a normal version of either gene.

If that is how he/she is counting it's a little out of the ordinary and I can see how calling it a quad would be confusing. However, actually counting the mutant alleles and not just the total number of locus with one or more mutant alleles has some advantages when you start combining recessive, co-dominant, and dominant mutations. Take the hypo jigsaw for example, there are three locus involved (mojave, pinstripe, and ghost). However there are 4 mutant alleles inherited (one mojave, one pinstripe, and two ghost). Because ghost is recessive that gene had to be inherited from both parents (remember there are two copies of each gene, one from mom and one from dad, in a normal both copies of each gene are the normal allele of that gene). Some day someone will create a 5 allele hypo jigsaw phenotype animal that has one mojave, two pinstripes, and two ghosts. Just this last summer we found out that pinstripe is the first proven dominant ball python mutation so an animal with two mutant pinstripe alleles would look the same as the one with one mutant pinstripe allele and one normal for pinstripe allele. But the 5 mutant allele hypo jigsaw will have more breeding value as all of it's offspring will get the pinstripe mutation and not just half.

Thanks Randy!

wicked animal to say the least carrying four genes

With genetic stripe being recessive it takes two mutant copies of that gene (one from each parent) to make a visible stripe. Same for piebald. So to be both visible genetic stripe and visible piebald it would have to inherit both a mutant genetic stripe gene and a mutant piebald gene from both parents for a total of 4 mutant versions of the two genes combined. That leaves no room for a normal version of either gene.

If that is how he/she is counting it's a little out of the ordinary and I can see how calling it a quad would be confusing. However, actually counting the mutant alleles and not just the total number of locus with one or more mutant alleles has some advantages when you start combining recessive, co-dominant, and dominant mutations. Take the hypo jigsaw for example, there are three locus involved (mojave, pinstripe, and ghost). However there are 4 mutant alleles inherited (one mojave, one pinstripe, and two ghost). Because ghost is recessive that gene had to be inherited from both parents (remember there are two copies of each gene, one from mom and one from dad, in a normal both copies of each gene are the normal allele of that gene). Some day someone will create a 5 allele hypo jigsaw phenotype animal that has one mojave, two pinstripes, and two ghosts. Just this last summer we found out that pinstripe is the first proven dominant ball python mutation so an animal with two mutant pinstripe alleles would look the same as the one with one mutant pinstripe allele and one normal for pinstripe allele. But the 5 mutant allele hypo jigsaw will have more breeding value as all of it's offspring will get the pinstripe mutation and not just half.


Thanks for putting it in a way I could easily understand. Now to dream of the 5 allele animals I may be able to breed someday....

cool patterns. is the first one a pin-pied.

onionboy

cool patterns. is the first one a pin-pied.

onionboy


No they are all the same snake. A Super Stripe Pastel Pied.

Thanks for putting it in a way I could easily understand. Now to dream of the 5 allele animals I may be able to breed someday....

Yeah, awesome break down! :yessir:

Very cool!

That's awesome!

that animal is sweet wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm with Bryan and V on this one...still cool, though