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erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 05:55 AM
ok, so my big female royal is just short of 4 ft, i'd say 3ft'11" lol, and i just ordered some medium rats, which arrived today.
and oh my, they are huuuuuge, their the length of my hand!!! around 8 incvhes i think, monsters, now, maybe its just me but they seem a bit big for the snake to handle?
i dunno, their enormous!!!

what do you reckon? worth trying them or try something smaller?

im used to feeding royals medium rats where i used to work, but these things are the size of the jumbos we used to get in the shop! haha

i just don't know lol - feel like a total "noob" haha

Quig
01-13-2009, 06:03 AM
I quit goin' by small,medium and large and just weigh my rats now, but I would think a four foot royal could handle a rat the size of your hand. When my old female was that small she would take a rat that weighed 250-300 grams. I'm assuming you're feeding F/T? If it doesn't take you still might be able to refreeze it and maybe swap em out with the place you order from for smaller rats.

Quig

Danny
01-13-2009, 06:04 AM
That's the problem IMO with the labels "medium", "large", "jumbo", it's all too subjective. Best idea is to order by weight if at all possible.
She can take them though, I'm sure.

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 06:11 AM
i know this is a really stupid question lol, but i'm used to feeding little colubrids - thats nice and simple

i weighed the rats their all between 200 & 250g so by your post Quig, i should have no problems lol. (thats a 6th of her weight!!! (but she is a bit slim).

but oh my this thing is going to take some time to defrost and heat!! lol

Varanus99
01-13-2009, 06:20 AM
I never went by weight. I always went by if the rat is the same girth as the snake at its largest point play ball. Even if the rat is a wee bit larger game on.

Incidentally erik if you're kinda new to pythons they can handle much larger meals than colubrids. For example, a 3' corn snake could eat an adult mouse or perhaps a small rat. A 3' burmese python could eat Rhode Island.

Well you get what Im saying :D

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 06:22 AM
I never went by weight. I always went by if the rat is the same girth as the snake at its largest point play ball. Even if the rat is a wee bit larger game on.

Incidentally erik if you're kinda new to pythons they can handle much larger meals than colubrids. For example, a 3' corn snake could eat an adult mouse or perhaps a small rat. A 3' burmese python could eat Rhode Island.

Well you get what Im saying :D

its actually around the girth but its her wee head im thinking about lol, this is definately going to be a spectacle to watch really.

haha, yea, it is certainly a learning curve for me to be honest haha

Quig
01-13-2009, 06:46 AM
You need to understand then, that a snakes jaws can stretch enough to allow something 3-5 times the size of their heads to get through to their belly :D. It IS a sight to watch what they can swallow sometimes LOL.

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 06:51 AM
You need to understand then, that a snakes jaws can stretch enough to allow something 3-5 times the size of their heads to get through to their belly :D. It IS a sight to watch what they can swallow sometimes LOL.



i know, but it just seems mad haha

honestly, if those rats are fair game then i bet theres no chihuahuas in africa! lol

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 06:53 AM
you know, i actually feel a bit stupid for having asked lmao, in hindsight of course she could manage them but it was the shock of getting these monster rats haha

Quig
01-13-2009, 07:05 AM
No reason for that. When you're used to colubrids it's understandable. Just thaw one and try it and see how it goes.

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 07:08 AM
yea, i'll have my cam at hand - and i'm likely going to be really rather highly amused if she manages this!

FloridaHogs
01-13-2009, 07:43 AM
Hey Erik, don't feel wierd asking such a question, the only dumb questions are the ones not asked!

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 07:51 AM
Hey Erik, don't feel wierd asking such a question, the only dumb questions are the ones not asked!


you make a good point lol

house snakes are easier to get a reading on food-wise haha

FloridaHogs
01-13-2009, 08:07 AM
Can't wait to see the photos of her eating! :lol:

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 08:20 AM
lol, i'm afraid you've got a wee wait as shes not due to feed again until friday lol

FloridaHogs
01-13-2009, 09:37 AM
Man, now you have just teased us....there better be LOTS of pics for that!:wamma:

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 10:25 AM
Man, now you have just teased us....there better be LOTS of pics for that!:wamma:

:lol: there shall certainly be a fair few photos, when i get going with a camera theres no stopping me

took 150 photos last feeding day :rockon: :cool: lol

FloridaHogs
01-13-2009, 12:34 PM
:lol: there shall certainly be a fair few photos, when i get going with a camera theres no stopping me

took 150 photos last feeding day :rockon: :cool: lol
And have we seen those said feeding photos?

jayefbe
01-13-2009, 12:52 PM
We personally feed younger balls that are trying to pack on the weight between 15-20% of their body weight per feeding (every 5 days). It works great for us, and the young girls are PACKING on weight. My girlfriend has a spider female '08 that's nearing 800 grams (she is an anomaly), and a mojave and cinny both born in September nearing 400 grams. I also have an '07 het albino female, arrived 11/20 at 581 grams. She's already at over 1000 grams now!

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 01:53 PM
was that a hint Jenea :P:P

Jayefbe - yea, it sounds about right in hindsight but just seemed a bit too much as im used to little colubrids haha
if she takes these every 7-10 days then she'll be breeding weight in no time lmao

FloridaHogs
01-13-2009, 01:55 PM
was that a hint Jenea :P:P



Ummmm..............YES!!! :D

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 01:58 PM
Ummmm..............YES!!! :D


yust uploading the royals 8 wee dodgy pics to photobucket and away we go lol

by the way, have i posted any pics of my pastel?, i'll have to check cos' i don't remember lol

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 02:23 PM
http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?p=65554#post65554

there ya go :)

FloridaHogs
01-13-2009, 02:28 PM
Why thankyou sir! :)

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 02:50 PM
lol all in a days work ;) haha

constrictorkeeper
01-13-2009, 04:24 PM
(but she is a bit slim).

...now we all know why !
good luck bro, she should handle it fine.
let us know how it goes,
ck

erikpaterson
01-13-2009, 04:42 PM
...now we all know why !
good luck bro, she should handle it fine.
let us know how it goes,
ck


haha yea, i reckon 100-150g rats previously max.

will do
Erik

JChandler
01-13-2009, 08:53 PM
The whole size name vs. weight thing reminds me of this 'jumbo' rat and small rabbit I got in awhile back....they are in a shoebox container for a size reference...I thought the rabbit was supposed to be bigger according to the normal weights I was given....not complaining she ate that rat happily but just was shocking to unload it from the box...lol

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l37/ChandlerReptiles/EXTRAS/Ratandrabbit.jpg

erikpaterson
01-14-2009, 04:01 AM
The whole size name vs. weight thing reminds me of this 'jumbo' rat and small rabbit I got in awhile back....they are in a shoebox container for a size reference...I thought the rabbit was supposed to be bigger according to the normal weights I was given....not complaining she ate that rat happily but just was shocking to unload it from the box...lol

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l37/ChandlerReptiles/EXTRAS/Ratandrabbit.jpg

geez, that thing is HUUUGE!!!

JChandler
01-14-2009, 06:39 AM
geez, that thing is HUUUGE!!!

I have never been able to get the big rats like that from them before....:cheers:

Edit I said shoe box before but I meant 15 quart container....sorry.

erikpaterson
01-14-2009, 06:51 AM
I have never been able to get the big rats like that from them before....:cheers:

Edit I said shoe box before but I meant 15 quart container....sorry.

its bigger than a rabbit, thats still huge haha

African Beast
01-14-2009, 07:34 AM
Get a retic, thay can handle those rats from their first feed...
She should be fine, feeding a little bigger now and then is actually good for them IMO.
I try to keep my balls running in on a little bigger rats, especially the females.
THE B

erikpaterson
01-14-2009, 07:37 AM
Get a retic, thay can handle those rats from their first feed...
She should be fine, feeding a little bigger now and then is actually good for them IMO.
I try to keep my balls running in on a little bigger rats, especially the females.
THE B

haha, i would get a retic but i must say if i was going to go for a monster it would be an afrock! lol
yea, she should be fine on these, just seemed crazy in my head to start off with haha

Erik

Jack
01-14-2009, 07:34 PM
she will to great on them erik

i have a female here that was 978g when she came to me 6 weeks ago and she has got a medium rat every week and she is now 1387g

erikpaterson
01-15-2009, 06:01 AM
Aye Jack she'll definately be up to weight by 2010, hoping the wee pastel male catches up too ;) haha

erikpaterson
01-16-2009, 08:21 AM
wel, she has "killed" it, and has now started eating, time to get the cam out!

FloridaHogs
01-16-2009, 08:22 AM
WOOT WOOT!!

erikpaterson
01-16-2009, 08:27 AM
lol, i must say, i am amazed tbh lol

erikpaterson
01-16-2009, 09:15 AM
that was highly amusing to be honest haha
what an amazing snake haha

erikpaterson
01-16-2009, 12:00 PM
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/dragon_breeder/P1010035.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/dragon_breeder/P1010036.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/dragon_breeder/P1010040.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/dragon_breeder/P1010045.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/dragon_breeder/P1010047.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/dragon_breeder/P1010051.jpg


i am amazed and actually rather proud of her haha

FloridaHogs
01-16-2009, 04:08 PM
Those were great!! That rat did look huge! What a good girl she is!

erikpaterson
01-16-2009, 04:16 PM
haha, i know lol, they look enormous, its madness
that was the biggest of the 2 ratsm i thought i'd check and see if she could manage it
but, as i type, she must be around the 1400g mark lol

Quig
01-16-2009, 05:09 PM
The rat looks right nice inside the snake eh? It was a pretty good sized rat but I think she handled it rather well.

erikpaterson
01-16-2009, 05:13 PM
aye, it is a fair sized rat indeed but she managed really rather well indeed and she'll be growing in no time lol

constrictorkeeper
01-16-2009, 08:04 PM
aye, it is a fair sized rat indeed but she managed really rather well indeed and she'll be growing in no time lol

...been tryin' t'tell you.
ck

erikpaterson
01-17-2009, 02:06 AM
indeed lol, but im set in my ways with the colubrids - going to take a while to get used to that haha