Hey everyone,
I not new to snakes but I am new to the ball morphs and breeding that being said I would like to get some feedback on projects I would like to get into. Right now I have a normal male and I also have a variety of carpets and burms. My long term goal is to produce bumblebees, stinger bees and queen bees. I really like the yellow type balls (pastels, bees, super pastels, lemon blasts etc.) too. Here are some of the projects and snakes that I am looking for. I was just wanted some feedback to see if I am missing anything and what to look for when purchasing these morphs. I also was curious does it make a difference in the sex meaning if I'm breeding a pastel to a spider I would buy a male spider and female pastel? My thinking is that later on I can spread the spider to more girls.
cinny x pastel = pastels, normals, cinnys and pewters.
Is there a difference between cinnamon and cinnamon pastels?
spider x pastel = pastels, spiders, normals and bumblebees
pinstripe x pastel = pastels, normals, pins and lemonblasts
pastel x pastel = super pastels and pastels

if I then breed
super pastels x spider = kingbees but what else would I produce?
lesser x spider = lesserbees
lesser x bumblebee = queenbees
All of these projects pretty much revolve around the pastels I would start with so that being said is there a line of pastels that have that nice yellow and that keeps this into adulthood?
I really am in no rush and I am not looking to get rich but i would like to just fund my hobby and produce some killer snakes. I wanna start from the beginning so I can selectively breed these guys. I am looking to probably purchase 09 babies so I wanna have this all mapped out when I start to buy? One more question is how many animals do you start a project with?
Thanks for anyone that has any input.

Hey everyone,
I not new to snakes but I am new to the ball morphs and breeding that being said I would like to get some feedback on projects I would like to get into. Right now I have a normal male and I also have a variety of carpets and burms. My long term goal is to produce bumblebees, stinger bees and queen bees. I really like the yellow type balls (pastels, bees, super pastels, lemon blasts etc.) too. Here are some of the projects and snakes that I am looking for. I was just wanted some feedback to see if I am missing anything and what to look for when purchasing these morphs. Really it's going to come down to personal preference. Someone might like brighter colors, others more blushing (for example), it all depends on your priorities according to your own tastes. Go by what you like once you have an idea of what's out there, different lines of different morphs, etc.
I also was curious does it make a difference in the sex meaning if I'm breeding a pastel to a spider I would buy a male spider and female pastel? My thinking is that later on I can spread the spider to more girls. That's right. It makes a difference if you want to breed more spiders/spider combos than you do pastels/pastel combos. You'd want the male to be of the morph you plan on using more as he can lock on with more than one female each season. Females can't, well, not exactly true as we can see with multi-sire clutches :lol: but they're more limited, that's for sure.
cinny x pastel = pastels, normals, cinnys and pewters. Yep.
Is there a difference between cinnamon and cinnamon pastels? No difference. Same thing. Hardly anyone calls them cinny pastels anymore.
spider x pastel = pastels, spiders, normals and bumblebees
pinstripe x pastel = pastels, normals, pins and lemonblasts Right.
pastel x pastel = super pastels and pastels Nope. Theoretically you also have a chance to produce normals (25%).

if I then breed
super pastels x spider = kingbees but what else would I produce? What's a kingbee? Don't think that one's been used yet, might be wrong. What you're thinking of is Killerbees I believe. But no, you wouldn't get those, you'd get bumblebees and pastels (50/50).
lesser x spider = lesserbees Yes, you have a chance at those. Plus lesser, spider and normal... in theory.
lesser x bumblebee = queenbees Plus pastel lesser, lesserbee, lesser, bumblebee, spider, pastel and normal. All those are possible :lol:
All of these projects pretty much revolve around the pastels I would start with so that being said is there a line of pastels that have that nice yellow and that keeps this into adulthood? I've seen nice examples from every line I know of. Just pick one with little orange as a baby as that's what browns out. Or you could always purchase an adult breeder with it's color pretty much set.
One more question is how many animals do you start a project with? :lol: No clue :devil: I guess it depends on what your aims are and from person to person. One male and one female of the morphs you want for the project is the minimum!! :lol:

Have fun with those future projects :wamma:

Is there a difference between cinnamon and cinnamon pastels?

Nope, just in the wording.. Just to make it more confusing ;)


super pastels x spider = kingbees but what else would I produce?

You would not make Killerbees. You would make a whole bunch of bumblbees and pastels.

All of these projects pretty much revolve around the pastels I would start with so that being said is there a line of pastels that have that nice yellow and that keeps this into adulthood?

Keep your eye out in the market. All lines have their stunners and their fuglies.

One more question is how many animals do you start a project with?
Thanks for anyone that has any input.

However many you can handle...

Damn nice topic... thanks for posting.

One reccomendation I'd have is to buy your females this year, and then wait until next year to buy males. Males can often breed at 1 year of age, while most females will take 2 years to mature. Why bother feeding a set of male BPs that won't do anything for antoher year, when you can wait one year, and feed them for one year before they will be breeding?
The corrections to the pundits you were asking about are correct. I'd also advise female pastels, as they seem to cost less, and then you can get males to add in. Most recessive traits, the males are cheaper, so funding might make the decisions on which morphs you buy as males and which as females.
Get pics of the parents of any pastels you think of buying, and see how bright the parent is. That might help tell you how bright the babies will turn out as adults.
Hope this helped