What is everyone's thoughts on hybrids. All of them from the ones that no one has done to the ones that people have had great success with like the superballs.

Do you outright oppose it?

Do you like them?

Do you not care as long as people are honest when they sell them?

Do you only like the ones that have a remote possibility of happening in the wild?

You get the idea...

I would not breed them, or buy them, but some do look pretty cool.

Some of them look cool (Chondro crosses) but I want nothing to do with them...I don't have a problem with them being sold as long as the are honestly represented - Which now a days ain't easy...I'm a purist - Specially with Boas - Love the locals and hate the mutts...Same way with Carpets - Though a few do intergrade I hate crosses...88% Diamond - Nah - I want the real deal pure Diamond...Hybrids are nothing that float my boat but the weirdest has to be the Wall (Woma Python x BP)...

I do not own any. I'm not interested in getting any. If it what you like, its cool!

I tried last season pairing my horny lil' male pastel to a buddy's female albino burm... I would have loved to have gotten some ballxburm hybrids....

and a pastel hybrid that was also 100% het albino would be very very interesting if not a first!

Some hate them... some love 'em... It's a matter of personal preference and beliefs.

I myself would personally love to have a ballxburm or ballxblood hybrid one day... just to have in the collection... I love ball's but wish they got bigger than the average 4-5.5ft


Here's some ballxburm hybrid pics that my buddy John Berry produced and owns... He was very kind to allow me to post them so here they are!

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Some of them look cool (Chondro crosses) but I want nothing to do with them...I don't have a problem with them being sold as long as the are honestly represented - Which now a days ain't easy...I'm a purist - Specially with Boas - Love the locals and hate the mutts...Same way with Carpets - Though a few do intergrade I hate crosses...88% Diamond - Nah - I want the real deal pure Diamond...Hybrids are nothing that float my boat but the weirdest has to be the Wall (Woma Python x BP)...

I have to 100% agree with ya BT!

Although some may look cool... specific boa locales and carpets should be kept pure IMO. And your right! That Wall is definitely a unique looking animal!

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but i must admit, i have crossed different localities of coastal rosies in the past.
technically, if we're talkin' hybrids, that was not a violation of the no hybrid rule as it does imply that different species (or in some cases genus's) were crossed.
i didn't cross any species or even subspecies, just localities. however i would consider the lavender rosy crosses as something i'd contemplate doing one day.
that's the l.t.trivirgata x amel l.t. roseofusca. ( let's not drag taxonomy into this, i know i'm using the questionable nomenclature here)
at some point, and realize i am a purist at heart, the reality that we are creating creatures to be "kept" not sustainable genepools for reintroduction, needs to come into our collective focus. most of us won't be breeding any cyclura lewisii, we will be producing pets for ourselves and others to enjoy.
a bijon looks nothing like a european gray wolf, nor will it ever be considered for reintroduction.
ck

but i must admit, i have crossed different localities of coastal rosies in the past.
technically, if we're talkin' hybrids, that was not a violation of the no hybrid rule as it does imply that different species (or in some cases genus's) were crossed.
i didn't cross any species or even subspecies, just localities. however i would consider the lavender rosy crosses as something i'd contemplate doing one day.
that's the l.t.trivirgata x amel l.t. roseofusca. ( let's not drag taxonomy into this, i know i'm using the questionable nomenclature here)
at some point, and realize i am a purist at heart, the reality that we are creating creatures to be "kept" not sustainable genepools for reintroduction, needs to come into our collective focus. most of us won't be breeding any cyclura lewisii, we will be producing pets for ourselves and others to enjoy.
a bijon looks nothing like a european gray wolf, nor will it ever be considered for reintroduction.
ck

i don't like the idea of crossing the limited (at least in captive collections)angolan population with other species. that's not a readily available enough animal to have it's blood polluted in such a way, and who knows what's happening to the wild population. my opinion here, so don't slam me for suggesting what you should do with your animals, but until someone can get their hands around a wild pop consensus, they should be treated as the precious pearls they are.
ck

but i must admit, i have crossed different localities of coastal rosies in the past.
technically, if we're talkin' hybrids, that was not a violation of the no hybrid rule as it does imply that different species (or in some cases genus's) were crossed.
i didn't cross any species or even subspecies, just localities. however i would consider the lavender rosy crosses as something i'd contemplate doing one day.
that's the l.t.trivirgata x amel l.t. roseofusca. ( let's not drag taxonomy into this, i know i'm using the questionable nomenclature here)
at some point, and realize i am a purist at heart, the reality that we are creating creatures to be "kept" not sustainable genepools for reintroduction, needs to come into our collective focus. most of us won't be breeding any cyclura lewisii, we will be producing pets for ourselves and others to enjoy.
a bijon looks nothing like a european gray wolf, nor will it ever be considered for reintroduction.
ck

Granted locals and hybrids are different but I sure don't want Nic blood in my Cay Caulkers even if they are both BCI's...I like em pure - Species and locals...

nice post ck . I don't carry any strong feeling for or against hybrids.

I wouldn't want to see locals mixed that don't naturally integrate and I wouldn't want to see some jerk off selling a angolan/ball mix as some new ball morph out of Africa

I don't have any issues with the dramatic crosses as long as they are correctly represented..

If you want to cross a turtle with a buffalo then go for it but keep good records on all the turtle/buffalo hybrid babies.

nice post ck . I don't carry any strong feeling for or against hybrids.

I wouldn't want to see locals mixed that don't naturally integrate and I wouldn't want to see some jerk off selling a angolan/ball mix as some new ball morph out of Africa

I don't have any issues with the dramatic crosses as long as they are correctly represented..

If you want to cross a turtle with a buffalo then go for it but keep good records on all the turtle/buffalo hybrid babies.

represent yo stuff !
ck

I don't know what it makes me that I think the boa lines should stay pure but have fun with the python stuff...

I don't like the corn/king crosses personally but I love the corn/ratsnake (yeah yeah intergrade not hybrid) and blood/ball ones. The chondro and woma stuff look cool but I really don't see me adding any.

As long as it is represented honestly I don't have any issues.

There's a chondro/woma?

My favorite hybrid is the woma/ball python like a lot of others here... I don't think hybrids would be a problem if everyone was responsible with them, even when it gets down to low percentage hybrid animals... but a lot of people just aren't, and they buy and sell hybrids without knowing what the animals even are.

As long as sellers and buyers are able to tell that the animal is a hybrid and which animals were bred to produce it (which, as we know, isn't always taken for granted), I think hybrids are okay.
Some are really amazing, but personally, I don't plan on getting me any.

i dont like them but if some does thats cool

I think some are neat & pretty. I own a couple boa crosses, with the exception of 1 , they were represented properly. I didn't buy them for being crosses but because of the pattern mutations they have. When reproduced , they will sold with complete background history.

As long as they are sold as what they are , I have no issues. Its when when the background/parentage isn't given and sold as pure blood etc that I have issues with.

I don't feel too strongly one way or another, but don't generally mind hybrids as long as they are accurately represented. I'm like others; I don't want mutts, and I don't want to have to worry about having to distinguish a "mutt" from a pure of any species should I choose.

I have to say, I think the carpondro is one of the ugliest hybrids Ive ever seen.

I don't know enough about the intricate nature of all snakes to make a generalized statement regarding hybrids -- but ball hybrids rock -- I don't have issue with them as long as they are a viable, healthy cross -- I do hope that those that work with them remain honest about their representation -- and I have been tempted to do an "Angry Ball" myself but I got enough haters on my back :SAMHAIN:

I don't know enough about the intricate nature of all snakes to make a generalized statement regarding hybrids -- but ball hybrids rock -- I don't have issue with them as long as they are a viable, healthy cross -- I do hope that those that work with them remain honest about their representation -- and I have been tempted to do an "Angry Ball" myself but I got enough haters on my back :SAMHAIN:

find that hard to believe.
ck

There's a chondro/woma?

I didn't mean a woma x chondro (which has potential to be bad ass) but the stuff done with them and balls...

I agree with pretty much everyone else, that as long as any hybrids are represented as such, I have no problem with it. If I want pure locality specific animals, I buy from someone I trust, that can show me the parents / lineage. In general, I only buy animals from people I trust, but would be alot more picky if I was looking for some pure local chondro or retic or whatever.

I like alot of the hybrids. The blood x balls, the bateaters, cateaters, carpondros, etc. One of my favorites is the ATBxETB. I hope to produce a few of those sometime in the future. I understand that there are some people that have a problem with the high percentage of bad eggs / babies that don't live long after hatch/birth, but if you think about the percentage of babies that make it to adulthood from a clutch in their natural environment, I'd bet the percentage is probably the same or close to that of hybrids. Alot of the animals we produce in captivity probably wouldn't survive in the wild, and only do because we fill all their needs. People are producing severely kinked snakes or ones with deformities that go on to breed and pass those genes along to their offspring. I don't see breeding hybrids much different than the linebreeding of dogs to produce some of these weird breeds. It's breeding the qualities or traits you liketo produce something new.

Just my long winded 2 cents.

I have no problem with the crosses that look cool and as long as they are represented right I don't have a big issue with them.

I'm like everyone else here. I don't have strong feeling for or against hybrids. I do think people should truthfully represent the animals they sell be it regular or hybrid.. I don't have any plans to add a hybrid to the collection, but I wouldn't say I would never own one either.. So if it's what your into do your thang!! LOL

Alan

For myself personally, I am not big on mutts, which is how I view interspecies mixing. I will admit that some do look very cool, but I would not own them.

I am very biased since I created the Carpalls. But that being said. The animals are healthy thriving. They might not be every bodies cup of tea. But as long as they are properly represented. I see nothing wrong. I see these no more wrong that aot of other snakes out there.
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I don't see a problem with hybrids, in fact I love the carpondros and the walls. However, when it comes to selling, I hope people sell them as what they are.

I don't see a problem with hybrids, in fact I love the carpondros and the walls. However, when it comes to selling, I hope people sell them as what they are.

No Carpall love :lol:

Personally, I like both intergrades and hybrids. As long as hybridization and crossing are done for a certain reason ie. reproduce a certain pattern or make something extreme, I see no problem with it. It is the mediocre crosses that look like a pure animal that bother me.

BTW, those carpalls and the burmball are looking good!

I won't ever get them.... the weird ones that is, just not my thing. But I won't post telling people what they can and can't do with their animals.

No Carpall love :lol:

I actually still wonder how that mating went witha ball and carpet ha ha

it looks cool to me though

I won't ever get them.... the weird ones that is, just not my thing. But I won't post telling people what they can and can't do with their animals.

I agree word for word.

I actually still wonder how that mating went witha ball and carpet ha ha

it looks cool to me though

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I am not for them or against them.. Some are intresting to see but not worth the BIG bucks IMO..

I think the hybrid question gets down to the fundamental point of how we see ourselves: Are you breeding to save the wild caught population? Do you want to take the purity % as high as it can go in a controlled environment? Are you fascinated by different colors, sizes, shapes, looks (Okay, THAT's a loaded question:lol:)? Are you hardcore into genetic makeup? Did you have too much to drink, smoke, or snort, and think, Holy crap that blank x blank would freakin' rock and put two animals together to see what they would do?
The common theme that I see here-and one of the reasons herpers are so cool-is that we have a live and let live mentality. Of course, there are idiots in any group who shouldn't be allowed responsibility over any living thing other than themselves (and sometimes, that may be too much), but they are a small percentage who will hopefully be weeded out from herp keeping. Let's just sit back and watch what happens when someone has a holy crap moment...and enjoy the pure and the 'I didn't know a (insert animal here) could look that cool!