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Albey
05-01-2009, 06:00 PM
This week there have been posts on the Forum pertaining to HR669 and NRIP. Some of them have been quite negative (this happened mostly over at Kingsnake), to PIJAC and to some of the large Breeders. This morning I received a letter from Bill Brant with his comments on these topics. For those of you who do not know Bill he is the owner of the Gourmet Rodent. He would most assuredly be considered one of the large Breeders.

I first met Bill at the 1994 National Reptile Breeders Expo when I purchased some of the finest Leopard Geckos I had ever seen. I have considered him and his wife Marcia friends ever since. When ever I had a question about husbandry or any thing else he was always glad to help. Any body that has met him at the National Reptile Breeders Expo over the years can attest to the kind of person he is. He has been fighting the good fight for a long time so I will let him take over now. Here is his letter.

April 30, 2009

Hello Fellow Herpers,
In recent days there have been many comments on topics related to HR669, so I decided to make a few of my own. If you care to, please forward this letter on to others as food for thought. My name is Bill Brant, and my wife and I own The Gourmet Rodent. I have been on the board of directors for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council (PIJAC) since March, 2003. I have also represented the Reptile Industry in Florida on the Animal Industry Technical Council (AITC), an advisory council to the Commissioner of Agriculture for the state of Florida.

In recent months our industry has been involved in several high profile pieces of federal legislation, HR669 and S373. HR669 has gotten more attention in recent months because it just came before the House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife, but make no mistake, S373 as well as other issues threaten our emerging industry.
I have been encouraged by the outpouring of responses that preceded the hearing on HR669, however I have been saddened and somewhat confused by the responses I have seen on several of the forums by the leadership in the industry.
My confusion is because many posts indicate that HR669 is dead in the water. To my knowledge, that is not the case. At the end of the hearing, Rep. Bordallo stated that there would be a ten day comment period. I have seen nothing official that states anything other than the bill is still in progress, http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=60&extmode=view&extid=246

Even if it is going to undergo a significant revision, or a re-write, I believe our industry should offer to help come to a reasonable compromise, rather than dig our heels in and take the position of no compromise. If we do that, we may find out that we are in the minority, and get out voted. I also think it is unwise to prematurely claim victory at this point in time. We may have gotten their attention, and earned their respect for having garnered so much grassroots support, however to “crow” about victory prematurely could cause them to take a more unyielding position when it comes down to the compromises they are willing to concede to.

I am saddened by the misinformation that is abundant in recent posts on forums. Especially when it comes to the intent and impact of the National Reptile Improvement Plan (NRIP). To understand its intent, you need to understand its inception. It came about as a result of the “Tick Symposium” held in July 2000 in Tallahassee, FL. The Tick meeting came about because regulators in the Florida Department of Agriculture and the US Department of Agriculture were responding to the “Heartwater Scare” of 1999. Ticks carrying the bacterium that causes Heartwater Disease, a very fatal disease for ruminant animals such as cattle, sheep and deer, were found on imported Leopard Tortoises. At the time, FDOACS and USDA had no idea who the reptile industry was, so they sponsored the symposium to see who would show up.

PIJAC and many concerned herpers showed up to try to limit the action of USDA and FDOACS to just the reptiles that could be carrying the vector ticks. It became apparent at the symposium that our industry would need Best Management Practices and Standard Operating Procedures in order to have credibility in the eyes of our regulators. That is the reason why NRIP was drafted, not to create an elite group of larger reptile dealers and breeders. It took three years, and was open to anyone who showed an interest in participating in the process. We welcomed all the help we could get.

In June 2008, we convened a group of interested herpers at the PIJAC office in Washington, DC to review the NRIP document for potential amendments. One of the topics we addressed was making the program more user friendly for smaller reptile breeders of all types, sizes and descriptions. Most importantly, I want to emphasize that it is PIJAC’s desire to have NRIP be a voluntary program. I think it is interesting to see the similarity between the “code of ethics” of NCARK (the precursor of USARK) , and the NRIP program. Please take time to check them out. http://www.ncark.org/ethics.php http://pijac.org/projects/project.asp?p=28

A final reason why I am saddened is the seeming rivalry between USARK and PIJAC. I suspect that this is the result of one being a forty year old organization, and the other being a one year old organization. I am a member of both organizations, and urge you to do the same. They both have something to add to our common cause. USARK is young and reptile specific. PIJAC is seasoned and has been the “go to” resource for regulators and legislators for decades. As far as I can tell, the desired outcome of both organizations is to have a workable set of regulations that enable people to pursue their passion for reptiles while providing protection for the environment, public health and safeguards for people in our communities that don’t share our enthusiasm for reptiles. ( PIJAC’s position on HR669 is included here: http://pijac.org/governmentaffairs/hr669forum.asp I think our interests would be better served if we focused on solving the legislative challenges we all face in a unified manner. Please consider what I have said. I look forward to seeing many of you at the Daytona Expo, or the NARBC shows that I attend.

Sincerely,
Bill Brant
The Gourmet Rodent

Sputnik
05-01-2009, 06:22 PM
We need both PIJAC and USARK - we don't need them competing with each other.... they both played major BIG roles recently and we couldn't of done without either org.

JChandler
05-01-2009, 10:01 PM
That is wrong to have them at odds with each other, we as a community came together well despite our differences...we need to work on unity.

Larry
05-01-2009, 11:43 PM
I met Bill in Chicago and he's a really nice regular guy. Bill is right unity is where the true power is..

Mrs. Sputnik
05-01-2009, 11:45 PM
I agree we MUST stay united as the fight will continue

Laura Fopiano
05-02-2009, 06:20 AM
Well guys, seems that others are not feeling the same way. I personally think that we should be united however a storm seems to be brewing and this could be the thing that causes more damage than good.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132491

Tama
05-02-2009, 07:32 AM
PIJAC and USARK need to stand together with us behind each of them.

JChandler
05-02-2009, 07:44 AM
Well guys, seems that others are not feeling the same way. I personally think that we should be united however a storm seems to be brewing and this could be the thing that causes more damage than good.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132491

I do believe there will always be some that will push for a hidden agenda and angle, that is not a bad thing...internal checks isn't a bad thing but if he or any of the others were out to undermine us as a reptile community for kickbacks I would expect them not to attempt to lead the fight but hide away in this day and age...we have nothing but mass amounts of information available to us and it's already proven we don't march to the beat of someone else's drum.

Of course I could be wrong and they are all taking money as some top spy for each one of the organizations and have secret meetings where they discuss which direction to attempt to lead us in...

obeligz
05-02-2009, 07:59 AM
mmz..
I have been spamming alot over at kingsnake lately, I get so provoked sometimes when I read, that I can´t keep my fingers away from the keyboard.
I think some of the advocates for the NRIP at kingsnake are very provocative, so I permit myself to answer in the same tone and I trust that the moderators will trim my tongue if they feel I´ve crossed any lines.

I don´t know NRIP very well but from what I have read it does seem that it has a good intent, though as it stands right now, it seems not to be working very well.
I also think that the name is very unappealing, National reptile improvement plan.
What is "reptile improvement"?
Does this plan aim to "improve reptiles", or reduce risk of "invasive species"?
Grrr...
Anyways, the way I see things there is no real tangle between USARK and PIJAC, there is just some friendly debate over at kingsnake. In order to discuss NRIP objectively we have to turn it up side down a bit and axamine it a little from different sides and then see what conclusions we come to. I think NRIP should be robust enough to survive some criticism, otherwise we need a better alternative.

Regarding compromise it is my belief that none should be offered AR activists. A compromise between the government, NRIP and the private herpetoculturist must exist, but it must also be fair and functional in order to be successful.

regards
obeligz

k-arbogast
05-02-2009, 10:06 AM
If this is a case of the big breeders trying to cover their own ass and as a side bonus eliminate the competion from smaller breeders, then that seems like a move right out of the corporate america play book.:devil: However, there needs to be some more solid proof of such a power grab before we can claim that PIJAC has sold us out.

I agree that our best chance is to stay united, but it has to be an uncompromising unity that looks out for the best interests of the reptile community as a whole. I would not support a "compromise" that lets the big breeders continue to breed and sell, with the rest of us becoming consumers of "their" product. I hope this is not the case, but remember that these guys are very savy business men and in that regard I could see the motivation on their part.

So for now, I agree on unity but I think enough suspicion has been raised to keep a close eye for proof that we are being sold out. We live in strange times, seems compromising to benefit the minority(ex. Bankers) and selling out on the majority(ex. Taxpayer) is just another day at the office. Hopefully we can go against the trend and unify to defend the keeping and breeding of herps for people throughout the herp community.:yessir:

Chadbandman
05-02-2009, 10:24 AM
NRIP was all about the tick scare that was suppose to be coming in on the leopard torts. That was back around 2000'ish. There was some virus that was linked to the ticks that could crossover to livestock. That's the readers digest version from what I remember.

If you really look about the "big guys" buy a lot from us "little guys" than anyone realizes.