I finally got a hold of David and was able to get the real deal as to the situation between Reptster and FedEx that lead to the spur of the moment split. I am posting this as David is completely swamped with all that's happened, is needed and will be needed going forward.

As many know we've had a few situations with isolated FedEx employees where packages were refused at hubs. Most of these were resolved with a phone call to David/FedEx, information was passed to these employees, apologies were made and packages were shipped. In some cases FedEx employees refused even internal directions and it became a pain dealing with these communication gaps with FedEx internally. This did not cause the split, but was becoming a thorn in our back side.

Apparently we had three shipments refused by FedEx last week and FedEx refused to refund the payments. This was becoming all too common practice with FedEx lately and began to take it's toll on Reptster's ability to provide a consistent service to it's users.

Here are the actual reasons that caused the split between Reptster & FedEx:
Another chain of events that added to the recent decision to split from FedEx was the refusal from FedEx to refund payments for anything arriving late or dead due to the waiver we all sign when becoming certified. Reptster was no different and this was taking a toll with issues stemming from FedEx becoming more and more common.

Another situation was surround our discounts; FedEx wanted to renegotiate with Reptster. In other words, they wanted to raise our prices due to their claims with increased costs, even though gas prices have lowered considerably over the past few weeks. FedEx wanted more money; even though Reptster is shipping volume which was exceeding our original agreement with FedEx. As of Saturday, FedEx abruptly canceled our discounts and refused any reasonable negotiations after they stated we had 30 days. On Monday Reptster took a substantial financial hit and had to pay the difference between what was and what is for any packages that were being shipped. The only way Reptster could shut it down was to take the payment method off of the account, which essentially shut it down instantly. Reptster will pay what is owed to FedEx for this month and move on with a clean slate.

According to a conversation David had with FedEx Chief Council. FedEx is losing a ton of money these days and are cutting all recent programs (like the one offered to Reptster). FedEx is going to start tightening up on many accounts that are not as profitable for them as others. Even though Reptster kept up it's end of the contract with FedEx, FedEx was not. We apologize for any inconvenience that has caused anyone and we have, are and will take care of any pending issues because of this situation.

If anything positive has come from this, it is the openness of UPS and wanting to partner with Reptster 100%. Reptster was able to show significant volumes being shipped regularly from the community and UPS has been great to deal with! UPS is much better organized and we have been able to capitalize on the success and avoid a few mistakes we made during our time with FedEx. The UPS contract is bulletproof, as we have learned from our dealings with FedEx. We feel the partnership with UPS will prove to be a solid one the community will benefit from for years to come. UPS Legal and Reptster Legal have reviewed everything and and Reptster sent out our first 15 packages today as a test pilot.

If all goes well, we expect to be back up and shipping with UPS on Monday-Wednesday the latest next week. Only thing is: No shipping of snakes until UPS reviews test packages and policy changes surrounding snakes. Both UPS and Reptster want to make sure we have everything covered and everyone is protected when it comes to snakes.

To answer the question again that I know will be asked and talked about: UPS IS CONSIDERING ACCEPTING NON-VENOMOUS SNAKES VIA REPTSTER AND IS SCHEDULED TO REVIEW POLICY BY NOVEMBER 17th TO BE EXACT!

well that's great news.
ups has always been the best as far as i'm concerned anyway.
keep us posted,
ck

Hope it goes well.... having a service to ship non-venomous reptiles is both beneficial to those in the biz/hobby and the shipping company that will stand to make money from it!

Fedex's loss!

Fedex is messed up for pulling that on any of their customers. I just signed up for a fedex accout this morning and now I'm regreting it. I hope everything works out with ups and were allowed to ship snakes with them. I was reading on another forum that dhl may be shutting down or down sizing and some are questioning fedex as well.

Good to know that they're going to be back in the game, fedex has truley given Repster a smack in the face and left it a nice black eye which won't go away quickly in the community's point of view.

Folks, these Repster people are full of lies and BS. David Young flat out lied to me twice. That whole crew at Repster can go piss up a rope as far as I am concerned.

Folks, these Repster people are full of lies and BS. David Young flat out lied to me twice. That whole crew at Repster can go piss up a rope as far as I am concerned.

Can you back that up?

Not firing a shot at you, but I want to hear your point of view!

Can you back that up?

Not firing a shot at you, but I want to hear your point of view!

I have had 2 phone conversations with David, one prior to the BOI thread about him and one during it. On both occasions the guy lied to me. Simple as that. I have had no use for the guy ever since.

Folks, these Repster people are full of lies and BS. David Young flat out lied to me twice. That whole crew at Repster can go piss up a rope as far as I am concerned.

Whether you like or dislike reptster is one thing but the whole concept of peeing up a rope is a rather funny one…

:lmao:

Whether you like or dislike reptster is one thing but the whole concept of peeing up a rope is a rather funny one…

:lmao:

i believe the technical term is "contra gravitational verticle urination" or CGVU for short. (at least the pissin up part, don't know how the rope fits in). i bet randy remington could sort that part out...he can figure out anything.
ck
BTW-why ain't randy on here yet ?...or is he ????

I want to say alot but won't, good luck getting UPS to ship snakes!!!

I want to say alot but won't, good luck getting UPS to ship snakes!!!

Oh no you didn't..... Bring it!

Oh no you didn't..... Bring it!

Oh boy, here we go....LOL

I don't want to muddy the waters here with my unintelligent rants full of 4 letter words that I somehow string together into some thing that resembles a sentence.

Most of the bad stuff has been said on the BOI, all 5 billion posts....

Alot of the folks out there viewed Reptster as their way out of having to become certified but I still don't believe that FedEx knew what they were doing exactly. Just my opinion and I have no way to back that up...just the way I am reading this particular abrupt end of service. NO company that has handled 30K (I believe that was the last number I heard) worth of overnight packages is going to drop an account because of a few percentage points in a discount. That is an ass load of money even at $50 a box coming in from just one account. There maybe other issues but I really can't say I would believe anything that came out of that group right now.

I do honestly hope that they can truly get UPS to accept live snake shipments and that UPS fully understands what Reptster is about and what they plan to do.

Unfortunately yeah -- I'm going to agree -- I was willing to give David the benefit of the doubt with the whole dropping out of the show incident - but there is certainly something just not right about the Fedex deal coupled with his unwillingness to be forthcoming with his customers is too many strikes against him for my comfort.

Although the service I got through Reptster was fine -- the discounts that I got including the free shipping materials saved me enough that I could offer my customers free shipping this season which was a big bonus -- sadly I still haven't been able to get a comparable discount from my fed ex rep - but I won't go back to Reptster.

It is too bad that it couldn't have worked out better it could have been a good thing in the right hands - I just don't think Davids hands were the right ones.

Thats great news i always liked UPS better. :wamma: :machinegun: FEDEX

I hope reptster gets approved with ups to ship snakes and offers those discounts. I just received a call from my local fedex rep after signing up for a fedex account yesterday. I asked about shipping snakes and he said he was going to fax me some papers and information on getting certified and that it usually takes 3 weeks. I also asked about the discounts reptster was giving me and told him I would be shipping 20 to 40 boxes next year and he just laughed and said I would need to ship way more boxes! I also like ups better for some reason.

I also like ups better for some reason.[/QUOTE]

...gotta be those puke brown uniforms.
ck

Thanks for the update on Repster.

To this point , there has been enough spin jobs about Reptster that if , I mean IF , this is FedEx's fault, I'd be hard pressed to believe it.

I do believe the last count was 46,000 packages shipped with no probs , no delays and no DOAs yet the first post of this thread mentions there have been DOAs. Go figure.

I also can't see any business dropping a service without another in place to replace it directly.

I won't be apologizing for not believing this new spin , just one more story that don't jive with the others.

Thanks for the update on Repster.

Your welcome... Just figured that folks should know what is really happening. Some folks will take it as just a spin/story or whatever they feel the need to take it as... but the fact of the matter is... We're only trying to offer the community a valuable tool in being able to ship without being certified, Saving folks money and once some more of the software is completed we will also be launching Reptaid which for every shipment made reptster will donate a $1 per each shipment in which every month we will run a public poll on the site for folks to vote on which herp organization or rescue we donate the total funds from the month to... Honestly I feel it's a great way for the site to give back to the community and help make it that much stronger.


To this point , there has been enough spin jobs about Reptster that if , I mean IF , this is FedEx's fault, I'd be hard pressed to believe it.

I do believe the last count was 46,000 packages shipped with no probs , no delays and no DOAs yet the first post of this thread mentions there have been DOAs. Go figure.

I also can't see any business dropping a service without another in place to replace it directly.

I won't be apologizing for not believing this new spin , just one more story that don't jive with the others.


Bryon I'm not sure where you got your numbers from but it was no where near 46,000 packages... more like 7,500+ shipped in a mere 5 mo's with a 6mo old site... As for the issues as to DOA's there has not been a single DOA since the site has started the shipping program. Fedex just wouldn't offer any guarantee in regards to the possibility of a DOA arrival if one was to occur due to lack of performance on their part... and if you look across several of the boards... It isn't just Reptster having issues with packages getting to their destination on time or simply leaving them outside...

As for Reptster.com dropping the service all together I honestly feel that it could have been handled differently but it's not my decision to make in the situation. Fed Ex had cancelled our discounts as they are cutting back right now (as are most Co's at this point are in our current economy) and right now David has actually been paying the differences of saving over the non discount (40%) out of pocket... So outta the 100+ Packages that were shipped you figure even at $10-$20-$30 that the customer was to have saved he has been covering outta pocket... So when you add that up at say 110 packages that's $1,100-$3,300 right there that he has had to come out of pocket to cover.

Now IMO David could have at the very least allowed the users to still ship and maybe without the originally negotiated discount that was made which IMO would still help the folks that weren't verified to ship... still be able to get their packages out until the deal wth UPS is finished...But again the option at this time is not available.

So far though things are looking very bright and we are hoping to hear by Nov. 17th whether or not we will be able to offer the community the ability to ship snakes via UPS which I'm about 100% positive most folks in the community will appreciate very much considering UPS is a far better much more reliable method of shipping over fedex...

I just want to know when can we start shipping and having snakes shipped with you guys and ups? What about the discounts? I know ups is usually cheaper than fedex but do you know if we will get the same reptster 40% savings with ups? I haven't seen any thing around the discounts for ups yet on their site.

My bad , it was 4,600 on the post I read and I reread the other post. I gotcha on the DOAs now.

I just want to know when can we start shipping and having snakes shipped with you guys and ups? What about the discounts? I know ups is usually cheaper than fedex but do you know if we will get the same reptster 40% savings with ups? I haven't seen any thing around the discounts for ups yet on their site.

We'll know by the 17th of next month. Discounts will be negotiated and I would imagine atleast 30-40% considering the volume the site has done in a very minimal amount of time with such a young site...but honestly David is the one talking to UPS and handling that side of things. I know he has been in and out of meetings and conference calls with UPS. As soon as I hear more I will let everyone know. Not that it's anything in my control or my apology to make since I'm just a moderator I do sincerely apologize to those who cannot ship through the site that have been depending on the services to get their packages out. Let's just sit tight and see what happens with UPS...

**Crosses Fingers**

My bad , it was 4,600 on the post I read and I reread the other post. I gotcha on the DOAs now.

No biggie ;):)

Just gotta correct myself real quick as I just remembered we started the shipping in June. We've only had the shipping program up and running for only 4mo's...



To clarify just a tad bit more though on the DOA issue...



What was meant by that comment about late deliveries and DOA was that Reptster/users were scheduling Priority overnight shipments guaranteed to be delivered by 10:30AM and in some cases FedEx was delivering much later. While 99% of the shipments were delivered as scheduled or close enough. On some instances they would be delivered 2-3-4hrs late. On occasions customers would complain to us about these late deliveries and at times request compensation from Reptster. Users scheduled and paid for Priority shipping and their package was not delivered on time as for which they had requested and paid. In this event; Reptster would credit these customers when it was brought up to David, but FedEx in turn would not credit Reptster! None by the way resulted in any DOA that we know of. Or at least no one has brought it up to any of us on the Reptster forum.

Another problem was the signature required by shippers for their packages: Reptster customers would check off the signature required box during processing. The Reptster program would send off the information complete as entered by our users. FedEx at their end would not receive the signature box checked and the drivers would drop off packages without any signature. This was a growing concern for Reptster with the lack of accountability from FedEx.

The communication between FedEx regarding snake shipments was another headache. To this day there are employees all over FedEx at every level that are adamant that FedEx DOES NOT SHIP SNAKES! Again, when you ship 1 or 10 packages your risks of running into issues are slight compared to 1000+ packages a month. Even then these cases were rare when you consider the overall volume that was and is shipped with FedEx by the community.

Overall things were well and honestly we should not bad mouth FedEx. Overall they are a good company and serviced us well when you consider everything overall. When you ship 7500 packages in 4-5MO and deal with delays and errors with less than 0.5%....that's not bad! The problem was all of the above added to the break of our written contract with FedEx and the abrupt cancellation of our discounts; when they said we had 30 days until the discounts would be cut off.

Should Reptster have handled things better for our customers in the end? Without a doubt...Yes! I'm sure David has learned from this experience and it will be one that will not be made again!

What was meant by that comment about late deliveries and DOA was that Reptster/users were scheduling Priority overnight shipments guaranteed to be delivered by 10:30AM and in some cases FedEx was delivering much later. While 99% of the shipments were delivered as scheduled or close enough. On some instances they would be delivered 2-3-4hrs late. On occasions customers would complain to us about these late deliveries and at times request compensation from Reptster. Users scheduled and paid for Priority shipping and their package was not delivered on time as for which they had requested and paid. In this event; Reptster would credit these customers when it was brought up to David, but FedEx in turn would not credit Reptster! None by the way resulted in any DOA that we know of. Or at least no one has brought it up to any of us on the Reptster forum.

The communication between FedEx regarding snake shipments was another headache. To this day there are employees all over FedEx at every level that are adamant that FedEx DOES NOT SHIP SNAKES! Again, when you ship 1 or 10 packages your risks of running into issues are slight compared to 1000+ packages a month. Even then these cases were rare when you consider the overall volume that was and is shipped with FedEx by the community.


I never had any problems with the fedex by my house when I dropped off boxes. No one ever asked me anything or gave me a hard time about snakes. I would just hand off the box to the clerk they would take it and I was gone. Never did anyone ask me what was in the box or ask me anything about the account I was using.

I did have one of the boxes I sent delivered like at 1:00 when I shipped priority. I didn't say anything because the snake arrived ok. The same thing happened to me on the receiving end last year when a snake that should have been delivered by 10:30 was delivered around 12:00 because the driver said no one was home at 10:30. Which was a lie because I was home waiting for it all morning. Each time I'm expecting or shipping I'm worried but as long as the snake arrives ok I'm happy.

I have a way to handle the 10:30 thing and it only happened once and will never happen again. I rent a UPS box at the UPS store for $10 a month mainly when I used to get crickets but this jackass tried to say no one was home on me only once...hard for them to explain when it is a business that is open from 8am until 6pm. :lmao:

I have a way to handle the 10:30 thing and it only happened once and will never happen again. I rent a UPS box at the UPS store for $10 a month mainly when I used to get crickets but this jackass tried to say no one was home on me only once...hard for them to explain when it is a business that is open from 8am until 6pm. :lmao:

I was talking about the late deliveries from fedex but how would a box help you avoid late deliveries or them saying no one was home? I assume your talking about a mailbox type?

I was talking about the late deliveries from fedex but how would a box help you avoid late deliveries or them saying no one was home? I assume your talking about a mailbox type?

Yes, late delivery's by them claiming that I wasn't there, impossible since it is a maned store that excepts my packages and mail.

I never had any problems with the fedex by my house when I dropped off boxes. No one ever asked me anything or gave me a hard time about snakes. I would just hand off the box to the clerk they would take it and I was gone. Never did anyone ask me what was in the box or ask me anything about the account I was using.

I did have one of the boxes I sent delivered like at 1:00 when I shipped priority. I didn't say anything because the snake arrived ok. The same thing happened to me on the receiving end last year when a snake that should have been delivered by 10:30 was delivered around 12:00 because the driver said no one was home at 10:30. Which was a lie because I was home waiting for it all morning. Each time I'm expecting or shipping I'm worried but as long as the snake arrives ok I'm happy.

Those drivers can be liars, been in that situation myself.... if they are pressed on time and not much to deliver in your area they'll just skip you and mark you down as "Not there."

Yes, late delivery's by them claiming that I wasn't there, impossible since it is a maned store that excepts my packages and mail.

That's a very smart way to do it, I may do it myself once I get certified.... the local kinkos is just 5 mins away.

Another chain of events that added to the recent decision to split from FedEx was the refusal from FedEx to refund payments for anything arriving late or dead due to the waiver we all sign when becoming certified.

Sorry... I just cant buy that.... I mean we all had to sign that same agreement. This is nothing new. So RIPster was willing to shut the shipping program down and leave its clients (which it has tried hard to convience they dont need to get certified....just use us) out in the cold holding their boxes because there are no guarantees.... Wow.. what a way to do business, now their clients have no way to ship legally.



Another situation was surround our discounts; FedEx wanted to renegotiate with Reptster. In other words, they wanted to raise our prices due to their claims with increased costs, even though gas prices have lowered considerably over the past few weeks. FedEx wanted more money; even though Reptster is shipping volume which was exceeding our original agreement with FedEx. As of Saturday, FedEx abruptly canceled our discounts and refused any reasonable negotiations after they stated we had 30 days.

Sorry.... find that hard to believe as well. I am just a small time breeder... and I still get my discounts with FedX. And I can guarentee that RIPster should have been shipping more packages than me. Why would they (FedX) just abruptly cancel the discounts and refuse negotiations..... is it because RIPster was doing something they shouldnt? Sounds like they gave RIPster 30days to pay up!!


On Monday Reptster took a substantial financial hit and had to pay the difference between what was and what is for any packages that were being shipped. The only way Reptster could shut it down was to take the payment method off of the account, which essentially shut it down instantly.

So RIPster had to send FedX the difference between the discounts given and the actual cost of shipping for any packages that were being shipped. Could this be because of the "YOU CAN NOT LET SOMEONE ELSE USE YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER" rule with FedX. Sounds like someone was trying to beat the system and got caught.


According to a conversation David had with FedEx Chief Council. FedEx is losing a ton of money these days and are cutting all recent programs (like the one offered to Reptster). FedEx is going to start tightening up on many accounts that are not as profitable for them as others.

How are they loosing a ton of money when their biggest money maker is FedEx Priority Overnight.... which is what we all ship by.... besides... they are loosing money by NOT shipping packages. Lets say that you were paying $40 by shipping with RIPster and lets say that they booked 100 packages a day. So why would FedX give up $4000 a day?

Did I mention that Im still getting my discounts... so this doesnt wash either


If all goes well, we expect to be back up and shipping with UPS on Monday-Wednesday the latest next week. Only thing is: No shipping of snakes until UPS reviews test packages and policy changes surrounding snakes. Both UPS and Reptster want to make sure we have everything covered and everyone is protected when it comes to snakes.

To answer the question again that I know will be asked and talked about: UPS IS CONSIDERING ACCEPTING NON-VENOMOUS SNAKES VIA REPTSTER AND IS SCHEDULED TO REVIEW POLICY BY NOVEMBER 17th TO BE EXACT!

Why would a company (RIPster) that tries to convience a multitude of reptile breeders to use its services by touting that you dont have to get certified just up and drop its shipping provider? Oh wait.... RIPster didnt drop FedX... FedX dropped RIPster and gave them 30 days to pay up. You have effectively left all your clients out in the cold holding the very boxes that you said they dont have to get certified to ship.

Now you want to use UPS but until someone can convience them to change their policy your clients are still out in the cold holding their boxes because they didnt get certified. What happens if UPS DOESN'T change its policys. Wooops.... what a way to leave your customers hanging.




That's a very smart way to do it, I may do it myself once I get certified.... the local kinkos is just 5 mins away.

Ya may want to check into that further. Several people have reported problems with Kinkos accepting live snakes.

No more " Ripster " in this thread. Want to call it anything other than Reptster then take it to the Saloon.

Ya may want to check into that further. Several people have reported problems with Kinkos accepting live snakes.

My local one doesn't have an issue....

My local one doesn't have an issue....

I'm sure it is more of isolated cases, even if they do just call your rep....they love dealing with stuff like that or at least that is what mine has told me. :D

I can't drop off packages at kinkos without 20 questions being asked by the teenage clerk on a power trip. It's a pain and I just drop it off at the fedex station by my house.

Please don't tell me this is going to turn into a boi type thread with 1000 pages of useless posts attacking other. Up until now this thread has been pretty informative on both sides of the reptster coin.

Lucky you... my closest dropoff station is 45mins away.

Im not attacking anyone... but I would like answers.... my questions are valid.... and so are the points that were made.

IF I, a small time breeder, still gets my discounts and They (which shall remain nameless) got their discounts pulled out from under them.... then it ought to raise red flags. The amount I ship should be miniscule compaird to them.

Southern wolf I don't understand if you have a fedex account and get discounts why are you so upset with reptster? If you are this upset that you no longer have reptster to ship from with fedex than why don't you write fedex and complain about it? I'm not sure I get all this anger because reptster was shut down by fedex if you have a fedex account? I'm also upset that reptster is no longer shipping but why so angry when you have a fedex account and can still ship. I've been waiting for a call back from my fedex rep who was all gung ho when I got my account and when he found out I only plan to ship 20 to 40 boxes next year he has not returned my calls or sent me papers to get certified! :mad:

I don't understand if you are angry because reptster isn't shipping with fedex or you are angry with reptster for some other reason. If your angry for some other reason just don't use reptster when they start shipping with ups. You have a fedex account be happy. :)

This is the original thread that some are basing their feelings and / or decisions on. Its long so get coffee if you want to wrangle through it.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117299

Actually there was a reason... I have not been there that long and was refered by another breeder to that site.... and it seemed like most posts were PRO RIPster. No one was questioning parts of his posts that made no sense... except maybe Sammy. Maybe those members are unaware of what has transpired. But your right... .they dont have the BOI and thus another reason I chose to post it here as well.

As for the warning... Nothing I said went over the PG-13 rating that they are trying to adhear to. They may want to get used to the moniker... cause Im not the only one that is using it. Its probably just a matter of time (this is just speculation on my part and not the opinions of Rich or Fauna)

I have valid points and valid questions. Think about... .what they are spewing just doesnt wash. How am I, a very small time breeder, albe to get my discounts... but RIPster looses theirs... and is forced to cover the difference and payup in 30 days.

As for the pissing match... .all I want is some straight answers... dont blow smoke up my http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/images/smilies/2232censored.gif What they are trying to push just doesnt add up. If you want to take everything at face value that comes out of that camp... Fine....

Once again... why would FedX give up 4grand a day (hypothetical obtainable figure using my numbers in the previous post) if RIPster was on the up and up. WHY? __________________
Kevin Batchelor
Owner - RidgeTop ReptilesI brought this here since the BOI is not the place to discuss how the BLBC handles itself.

I gave everyone that joined a cleaned slate. If Steve speaks for Reptster thats his choice or job. Judging by a couple of the responses on this thread , some are having a hard time getting their shipping contracts in order and rely on Reptster. Their reasons are their own for either loving them or hating them. If a member chooses to post here either way , thats their choice as well. If my or the BLBC staff being nuetral to a point that has your panties in a knot , too bad. Just because we haven't jumped on this thread to bash either side is of no concern to anyone.

Steve has as much right as any other member to post as he sees fit. Want questions to your answers? Ask them. Want to turn it into a pissing match , take it to the Saloon. Heated debating is fine as long as it doesn't cross the line.

In the future , if you choose to BLBC in any other light or fashion than what we are , then find a new home. Either say it as it truly is or don't say it at all.

As for the Admin & Mods of BLBC , Larry & BT said what they needed to say on the subject already and the Mods have made their feelings known in their own ways.

Thank You.

This is the original thread that some are basing their feelings and / or decisions on. Its long so get coffee if you want to wrangle through it.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117299

Since I used reptster I kept up with that thread to page 100 and just quit.
It was too much extras for me and I'll leave it at that. I wish reptster luck with ups and that they let us ship snakes. I'm still going to try and get fedex certified before this year finishes.

I brought this here since the BOI is not the place to discuss how the BLBC handles itself.

I gave everyone that joined a cleaned slate. If Steve speaks for Reptster thats his choice or job. Judging by a couple of the responses on this thread , some are having a hard time getting their shipping contracts in order and rely on Reptster. Their reasons are their own for either loving them or hating them. If a member chooses to post here either way , thats their choice as well. If my or the BLBC staff being nuetral to a point that has your panties in a knot , too bad. Just because we haven't jumped on this thread to bash either side is of no concern to anyone.

Steve has as much right as any other member to post as he sees fit. Want questions to your answers? Ask them. Want to turn it into a pissing match , take it to the Saloon. Heated debating is fine as long as it doesn't cross the line.

In the future , if you choose to BLBC in any other light or fashion than what we are , then find a new home. Either say it as it truly is or don't say it at all.

As for the Admin & Mods of BLBC , Larry & BT said what they needed to say on the subject already and the Mods have made their feelings known in their own ways.

Thank You.

:yessir: :yourock:

Hey folks, Robyn@Pro Exotics here : )

I have seen various threads on the UPS-live snake shipping issue, and I just wanted to clear something up. Pro Exotics is the charter member of the UPS non venomous live snake shipping program, and I don't know of any other members.

Lots of folks could claim credit, I guess, but that doesn't make it true. We have done the work, and we are very excited about getting UPS to open up the non venomous snake shipping market in the reptile hobby.

This program has been rolling for a while now, and will hopefully be completed this year. This is the start of something big.

Learn more:

Pro Exotics is working together with UPS to enable live snake shipping (http://www.proexotics.com/ups_shipping.html)

Hey folks, Robyn@Pro Exotics here : )

I have seen various threads on the UPS-live snake shipping issue, and I just wanted to clear something up. Pro Exotics is the charter member of the UPS non venomous live snake shipping program, and I don't know of any other members.

Lots of folks could claim credit, I guess, but that doesn't make it true. We have done the work, and we are very excited about getting UPS to open up the non venomous snake shipping market in the reptile hobby.

This program has been rolling for a while now, and will hopefully be completed this year. This is the start of something big.

Learn more:

Pro Exotics is working together with UPS to enable live snake shipping (http://www.proexotics.com/ups_shipping.html)

Great to hear this right from the source! I hope you guys are successful with this endeavor! Id be pretty happy if i could ship using fedex AND UPS, as some people have better experiences with one or the other. ROCK ON!

Hey folks, Robyn@Pro Exotics here : )

I have seen various threads on the UPS-live snake shipping issue, and I just wanted to clear something up. Pro Exotics is the charter member of the UPS non venomous live snake shipping program, and I don't know of any other members.

Lots of folks could claim credit, I guess, but that doesn't make it true. We have done the work, and we are very excited about getting UPS to open up the non venomous snake shipping market in the reptile hobby.

This program has been rolling for a while now, and will hopefully be completed this year. This is the start of something big.

Learn more:

Pro Exotics is working together with UPS to enable live snake shipping (http://www.proexotics.com/ups_shipping.html)


Robyn -- that is really great -- Do you this program be something that would become policy at UPS or do you think it will end up like Fedex wherein most of the company will continue to tell you they don't ship snakes?

Just to clarify some things...

It isn't my job to necessarily post what is happening between reptster and the shipping program. I'm just a mod on the site... However I know alot of folks are relying on the service and I figured that most would like to know what is happening... Trust me! I want to know just as much as you! ;)

My OP was actually a Cut & Paste from a post that Gerry (Ssscales) made...

I should have probably just qouted it but he had been in contact with David and had worded the situation best IMO. Even though we are mods on the site we dont know much more about what's happening then anyone else does... What I can tell you though is that as far as UPS goes... Everything is set to go and we should be Live and running within the next day or so! :letsparty:

Hey folks, Robyn@Pro Exotics here : )

I have seen various threads on the UPS-live snake shipping issue, and I just wanted to clear something up. Pro Exotics is the charter member of the UPS non venomous live snake shipping program, and I don't know of any other members.

Lots of folks could claim credit, I guess, but that doesn't make it true. We have done the work, and we are very excited about getting UPS to open up the non venomous snake shipping market in the reptile hobby.

This program has been rolling for a while now, and will hopefully be completed this year. This is the start of something big.

Learn more:

Pro Exotics is working together with UPS to enable live snake shipping (http://www.proexotics.com/ups_shipping.html)

I'll jump on board that!

Sounds very promising..... I hope it gets approved and we see a start date soon! :)

Hey Tosha, the purpose of the program is to get changes made in the official UPS charter. As it stands, they ship reptiles of various types (lizards, geckos, etc) but NO SNAKES. They are strongly considering, through this Pilot Program, allowing NON VENOMOUS snakes as acceptable shipping goods. It has been going very well, and we are getting terrific feedback from them on our current snake shipments.

Whether a third party shipping company goes "live" tomorrow, or next week, they CANNOT ship snakes, and there are consequences to shipping snakes if it does happen. It could damage all progress towards getting it approved.

But yes, the goal is to open it up to other breeders and businesses. I don't make UPS policy, and that is something for UPS to decide, how to qualify, certify, or whatever the term would be, other snake shippers, and on what timetable. It is a grander plan than just PE though : )

Hey folks, Robyn@Pro Exotics here : )

I have seen various threads on the UPS-live snake shipping issue, and I just wanted to clear something up. Pro Exotics is the charter member of the UPS non venomous live snake shipping program, and I don't know of any other members.

Lots of folks could claim credit, I guess, but that doesn't make it true. We have done the work, and we are very excited about getting UPS to open up the non venomous snake shipping market in the reptile hobby.

This program has been rolling for a while now, and will hopefully be completed this year. This is the start of something big.

Learn more:

Pro Exotics is working together with UPS to enable live snake shipping (http://www.proexotics.com/ups_shipping.html)

Thank you! It looks like we are indeed steps away from being allowed to ship snakes with ups. :letsparty:

On the reptster site and here they mention that by the 17th of this month they will have some answer on being able to ship snakes with ups or not. Lets pray that with the all the work any of you out there are doing we all can ship with ups soon. :master:

Thank you! It looks like we are indeed steps away from being allowed to ship snakes with ups. :letsparty:

On the reptster site and here they mention that by the 17th of this month they will have some answer on being able to ship snakes with ups or not. Lets pray that with the all the work any of you out there are doing we all can ship with ups soon. :master:

November 17th is a funny date, since we are ACTUALLY in the pilot program and I have never heard of such a date.

November 17th is a funny date, since we are ACTUALLY in the pilot program and I have never heard of such a date.

Throws a whole new spin on the Reptster situation....

November 17th is a funny date, since we are ACTUALLY in the pilot program and I have never heard of such a date.

Just make sure one way or another that I am approved to ship with ups before next year. :master:

Throws a whole new spin on the Reptster situation....



See stuff like this makes me wonder if there really is a deal with UPS to ship snakes or if he is setting up a lizard shipping account and that's what he's saying we are all shipping -- and if that is the same thing that happened with Fedex and when they found out that snakes were being shipped they pulled the plug.


I'd like to give the guy the benefit of the doubt -- but when he isn't willing to provide his customers with the answers to these types of questions it makes the waters too murky for my comfort.

Southern wolf I don't understand if you have a fedex account and get discounts why are you so upset with reptster? If you are this upset that you no longer have reptster to ship from with fedex than why don't you write fedex and complain about it? I'm not sure I get all this anger because reptster was shut down by fedex if you have a fedex account? I'm also upset that reptster is no longer shipping but why so angry when you have a fedex account and can still ship. I've been waiting for a call back from my fedex rep who was all gung ho when I got my account and when he found out I only plan to ship 20 to 40 boxes next year he has not returned my calls or sent me papers to get certified! :mad:

I don't understand if you are angry because reptster isn't shipping with fedex or you are angry with reptster for some other reason. If your angry for some other reason just don't use reptster when they start shipping with ups. You have a fedex account be happy. :)



All I can say is read the thread that was linked to. It will become very easy to see where some of us are coming from. Yes there may be some bickering... but there is also valid questions and concerns (which still havent been answered).... and a lack of info brought forth by Mr. Young.... with the exception of some obviously fake emails from President Bush and Britney Spears.

I had every intention of using them, and had ads in place to sell my animals. Then this information came to light about Mr. Youngs character and business ethics. I had to shut down until I could get certified to ship on my own....simply because I dont want to be associated with them.

As to the post I made here... its not angry... I am pointing out holes in their story..... which looks more like swiss cheese. It just doesnt add up.... sorry if that offends some folks. I mean they claim one of the reasons for parting ways is because they dont get discounts anymore.... Why not? Im small time compaired to them... and I still do. Anyhow... since I cant question their story... I guess you can send me PM's and I will answer any questions there.

Bryon, If they prove me wrong... Im more than happy to appologize... here in open forums.... however I dont see it happening. If you will recall I did that with Sammy (in the thread that was linked to) because I mistook what he said.... I also appologized later in chat to him as well. He can verify. Anyhow... it looks like Im done with this thread.


As to your Rep problem.... contact the regular FedX number... explain to them what is going on and request a new Rep. I am currently only shipping around 50 packages this year (I hope) and didn't have any problems with getting certified..... other than the hurry up and wait game. ya know... send the package in... wait.....get approval email....wait.....sign waiver....wait.....get put into the compter.... NO more waiting Yeah. I actually have a pretty good rep. Once I got the email from the testing facility I was calling him the next day for my waiver.

See stuff like this makes me wonder if there really is a deal with UPS to ship snakes or if he is setting up a lizard shipping account and that's what he's saying we are all shipping -- and if that is the same thing that happened with Fedex and when they found out that snakes were being shipped they pulled the plug.


I'd like to give the guy the benefit of the doubt -- but when he isn't willing to provide his customers with the answers to these types of questions it makes the waters too murky for my comfort.

I couldn't have said it better myself.. I've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt also.. But like you said Repster won't answer questions that customers are asking.. And then another very reputable person in the biz comes here and says they're the ones working with UPS to get non-venomous snakes on-board.. It really doesn't make Reptster look good, well in my eyes it doesn't.. I guess I'll start the process of getting certified to ship with Fedex on my own.. I had planned to use Reptster to ship but now it'll be hard to trust what they say.. I just wish that David would answer some questions about all this.. I mean this isn't the BOI.. He could come here and tell us whats what himself.. But it doesn't look like thats going to happen.. Steve could you ask David to come here and answer some of the questions that have come up?? I would really like to hear what he has to say..

Thanks
Alan

As to the post I made here... its not angry... I am pointing out holes in their story..... which looks more like swiss cheese. It just doesnt add up.... sorry if that offends some folks. I mean they claim one of the reasons for parting ways is because they dont get discounts anymore.... Why not? Im small time compaired to them... and I still do. Anyhow... since I cant question their story... I guess you can send me PM's and I will answer any questions there.



Since you can't question their story?.... please don't insinuate that reptster are protected here or that You alone cannot ask questions.... that is garbage.

We are in not in the business of playing little games..... take it to the saloon if you want to ask in a less then decent manner....

I couldn't have said it better myself.. I've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt also.. But like you said Repster won't answer questions that customers are asking.. And then another very reputable person in the biz comes here and says they're the ones working with UPS to get non-venomous snakes on-board.. It really doesn't make Reptster look good, well in my eyes it doesn't.. I guess I'll start the process of getting certified to ship with Fedex on my own.. I had planned to use Reptster to ship but now it'll be hard to trust what they say.. I just wish that David would answer some questions about all this.. I mean this isn't the BOI.. He could come here and tell us whats what himself.. But it doesn't look like thats going to happen.. Steve could you ask David to come here and answer some of the questions that have come up?? I would really like to hear what he has to say..

Thanks
Alan

I keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt. I can only guess David is working with ups and robyn and there are probably others out there trying to get ups to change their mind on snakes for the longest. I don't think just because they don't know what the other is doing means one is lying. I do wish David would come here or even on his own site and provide any info on what's going on. I like the mods over there and they do answer everything asked but it would be nice to see the owner of the company showing some face. I won't hang because of what some say but if david doesn't start appreciating his customers enough to talk to us I will stop using them when I don't need them any more.

Scott, I tried to question their story... and got shut down by Bryon... or at least that how I feel.

Scott, I tried to question their story... and got shut down by Bryon... or at least that how I feel.

I can tell you right now, ask the questions.... I don't like what I see with Reptster myself.... way too many unanswered questions for my willingness to do any form of business at this point.

That's my point of view on them and I doubt it will change until answers come forward (Which I won't hold my breath on). It will be interesting to see what the latest statement is after the 17th....

Hey folks, Robyn@Pro Exotics here : )

I have seen various threads on the UPS-live snake shipping issue, and I just wanted to clear something up. Pro Exotics is the charter member of the UPS non venomous live snake shipping program, and I don't know of any other members.[/I]
[I]Lots of folks could claim credit, I guess, but that doesn't make it true. We have done the work, and we are very excited about getting UPS to open up the non venomous snake shipping market in the reptile hobby.

This program has been rolling for a while now, and will hopefully be completed this year. This is the start of something big.

Learn more:

Pro Exotics is working together with UPS to enable live snake shipping (http://www.proexotics.com/ups_shipping.html)

Hey Tosha, the purpose of the program is to get changes made in the official UPS charter. As it stands, they ship reptiles of various types (lizards, geckos, etc) but NO SNAKES. They are strongly considering, through this Pilot Program, allowing NON VENOMOUS snakes as acceptable shipping goods. It has been going very well, and we are getting terrific feedback from them on our current snake shipments.

Whether a third party shipping company goes "live" tomorrow, or next week, they CANNOT ship snakes, and there are consequences to shipping snakes if it does happen. It could damage all progress towards getting it approved.

But yes, the goal is to open it up to other breeders and businesses. I don't make UPS policy, and that is something for UPS to decide, how to qualify, certify, or whatever the term would be, other snake shippers, and on what timetable. It is a grander plan than just PE though : )


November 17th is a funny date, since we are ACTUALLY in the pilot program and I have never heard of such a date.

I think Robin said it best in these quotes.. If you don't think this makes Reptster look bad then I don't know what to say.. Pro Exotics is the Charter member.. Wouldn't she have atleast heard about someone else in the pilot program?? Maybe maybe not, but I still think Reptster is not telling us something.. I may be missing something.. But what I gathered from the above quotes is that Pro Exotics is the only company working with UPS to get other breeders to be able to use their services.. Oh I also wanted to say thanks to Robin and Pro Exotics for trying to get UPS onboard with others shipping through them.. I think that would be a great thing for the community.. :yourock: :rockon:

Alan

Alan

I updated my profile, added an avatar pic. Not a she :D

Scott, I tried to question their story... and got shut down by Bryon... or at least that how I feel.

Kevin, the way I see it you got called out here for calling them names then I see the disrespectful quote from the BOI what the hell is that????

You have issues and you stated them, as much as I dislike reptster Steve is just a mod over, he isn't David nor is he his mouth piece so far here...we all know David doesn't come out and play anymore...

So go back over the stuff I posted here and show me exactly what you feel is pro reptster about my comments....we can discuss it here, the salon or in PM's...

I updated my profile, added an avatar pic. Not a she :D

Sorry about that Robyn.. I also mispelled your name.. :D Won't happen again.. :lol: :rockon:

Alan

Feelings- not hurt : )

Kevin, the way I see it you got called out here for calling them names then I see the disrespectful quote from the BOI what the hell is that????

I will tell you the same thing I told Larry when he PM'd me... the reasoning behind that post was that Im not new to the herp world or reptile sites.... I spent alot of time over at the Reptiles Mag forums and a few others, and if you said something the the mods there didnt agree with (whether it was legit or not) it got deleted. I basically wanted a record of "Their" story and my questions on record. Im not saying Larry or any of the Mods here are that way... but I KNOW that nothing is getting deleted from the BOI. If I offended you or anyone else.... I am sorry for that... that was not my intentions.

Once again.. .Im new to this site... so I was unaware of how this one works, Im glad posts dont just dissappear at random.



So go back over the stuff I posted here and show me exactly what you feel is pro reptster about my comments....we can discuss it here, the salon or in PM's...

I dont believe I ever said YOU were pro .... so not sure where this is coming from.

Scott, I tried to question their story... and got shut down by Bryon... or at least that how I feel.

Point out where I shut you down?

I told you & everyone else that the term " Ripster " would not be used in this thread. I also said heated debating was fine , ask your questions etc. The ONLY thing I shut down was any possibility of you or anyone else turning this into a pissing match or describing the BLBC in such a manner that was obviously not true.

So , again , point out where I shut you down continuing this discussion?

I am only aware of one post here that was deleted and from my understanding it isn't going to happen again. I don't hang out places where my stuff disappears. I didn't read that in your post before but I at least understand it now.


I dont believe I ever said YOU were pro .... so not sure where this is coming from.

Not specifically but you implied it with:

and it seemed like most posts were PRO RIPster. No one was questioning parts of his posts that made no sense... except maybe Sammy.

To me I read that as you were calling all of us out as pro reptster. It does say most posts but I needed clarification on it.

Personally I gave up arguing with Steve once I made the connection that he is just coping spin from David's site.

Point out where I shut you down?

I told you & everyone else that the term " Ripster " would not be used in this thread. I also said heated debating was fine , ask your questions etc. The ONLY thing I shut down was any possibility of you or anyone else turning this into a pissing match or describing the BLBC in such a manner that was obviously not true.

So , again , point out where I shut you down continuing this discussion?

Your answer

Scott, I tried to question their story... and got shut down by Bryon... or at least that how I feel.







...or describing the BLBC in such a manner that was obviously not true.


Your answer

... the reasoning behind that post was that Im not new to the herp world or reptile sites.... I spent alot of time over at the Reptiles Mag forums and a few others, and if you said something the the mods there didnt agree with (whether it was legit or not) it got deleted. I basically wanted a record of "Their" story and my questions on record. Im not saying Larry or any of the Mods here are that way... but I KNOW that nothing is getting deleted from the BOI. If I offended you or anyone else.... I am sorry for that... that was not my intentions.

Once again.. .Im new to this site... so I was unaware of how this one works, Im glad posts dont just dissappear at random.

I am only aware of one post here that was deleted and from my understanding it isn't going to happen again. I don't hang out places where my stuff disappears. I didn't read that in your post before but I at least understand it now.

Me either.... I have left a few places because of this.



To me I read that as you were calling all of us out as pro reptster. It does say most posts but I needed clarification on it.

Personally I gave up arguing with Steve once I made the connection that he is just coping spin from David's site.

I guess my main point in that post was that it seemed most folks were taking everything he stated at face value and no one really seemed to be challenging the holes in his story.

With that being said... if folks knew what had transpired recently and still took everything at face value... then it appears Pro (sorry cant type the rest... I'll get in trouble).... however I guess some may be unaware of what had been going on recently.

Once again... If you took my post the wrong way... I apologize.

I can assure you - I am NOT pro Reptster...I thought Larry and myself made that perfectly clear on Reptile Radio a few shows back when the turd hit the fan over on the BOI...Feel free to ask all the questions you want...But like the Mods said - If it turns into a pissing match - Off to the Salooon it will go...Just for the record - My bet is Reptster will be belly up in 6 months...Any takers?

My bet is Reptster will be belly up in 6 months...Any takers?

End of the year man if this UPS thing doesn't pan out the way they are feeding it to the masses which I am sure Roybn can attest to reading their trials with UPS.

They may get discounts with shipping lizards but in all honesty the USPS ships lizards...so unless they can cut those overnight prices down to $20 I don't see it helping the community as a whole. I guess we will have to wait another couple of weeks to see if anything comes out or if the site just closes.

I guess my main point in that post was that it seemed most folks were taking everything he stated at face value and no one really seemed to be challenging the holes in his story.


Once again... If you took my post the wrong way... I apologize.

They are some of the same people who don't want to be involved in the drama of that BOI thread....granted that thing grew legs and ran away compared to what it started as but the fact remains that most people won't post on BOI at all because they are worried about the attack aspect of it all that gets thrown around. My problem with posting all the time on certain topics is getting caught back up after being at work for 10 hours and then I seem like an ass because I am dragging stuff back up...:cheers:

Hell I argue and have a good time with it...you can hate me here and agree with me on the next thing. None of us are from the same cookie cutter...

I just read it one way that maybe others wouldn't have and then I make it all personal because well I'm conceded that way and the world revolves around me. No issues man :rockon:

I can assure you - I am NOT pro Reptster...I thought Larry and myself made that perfectly clear on Reptile Radio a few shows back when the turd hit the fan over on the BOI...Feel free to ask all the questions you want...But like the Mods said - If it turns into a pissing match - Off to the Salooon it will go...Just for the record - My bet is Reptster will be belly up in 6 months...Any takers?

Six months? Are you kidding, sounds like it has already happened! Nope, dont want that bet...... :)

Six months? Are you kidding, sounds like it has already happened! Nope, dont want that bet...... :)

Yeah, seems to me like it is already sinking in flames. I doubt it will last another month.. definitely not past the end of the year, seeing as all this UPS talk looks like BS.

It really does look like the Fedex pull out was a "pay up or get lost" type of thing considering that LOTS of breeders still have their Fedex accounts and discounts. It's really not that difficult to get certified with them, the only problems I've ever encountered are late arrivals. Anyone who has shipped with them knows that they won't do anything for DOA's. I don't buy any part of the story that they dropped fedex because they wouldn't break their own terms.

Anyways.. Good luck with getting UPS to ship snakes, Robyn. It's great that you are working towards opening the doors to giving people options in shipping. Hopefully it will lead to UPS and Fedex competing in prices and quality service. Thanks again.

Once again.. .Im new to this site... so I was unaware of how this one works


Perhaps you should sit back and get to know how this site works before you make any more posts. Because at this point you're coming across as a troll whose only goal is to create drama.

And just so we're clear, I AM NOT saying this to personally attack you or to hurt your feelings. It's meant as constructive criticism from the outside looking in. You really need to step away from the Reptster issue for awhile.



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No problems Jason.... however this is NOT the only thread I have posted in... and there ARE members of this site that know me... and know that Im not a troll.

Thanks for the concern though.

Jason, I have seen Kevin around the net....and not lurking under the same bridges as me at least. :lol:

Talk about beating a dead horse :machinegun::wamma:

Talk about beating a dead horse :machinegun::wamma:

Yeah it is, but if that's what it takes to get some of the info Robyn posted then it's worth a few extra kicks! :)

:letsparty: I thought so too!!

Alan

Has anyone heard anything else about the Reptster/UPS thing?? Steve are we going to be able to ship snakes?? Oh and did Larry and BT get their banner and stand back??

Alan

Has anyone heard anything else about the Reptster/UPS thing?? Steve are we going to be able to ship snakes?? Oh and did Larry and BT get their banner and stand back??

Alan

Hi, from what I understand it is still up in the air about shipping snakes with UPS. Reptster is supposed to find out on the 17th what UPS's decision is. I don't know about your second question. Maybe Larry or BT can chime in on that one.

Has anyone heard anything else about the Reptster/UPS thing?? Steve are we going to be able to ship snakes?? Oh and did Larry and BT get their banner and stand back??

Alan

Anyone reading this thread right now knows just as much as I do at the moment and to be honest with you I'm tired of speaking for David as to what is happening with the site and so are the other mods... The Idea behind the whole Reptster concept itself was a great one but I just don't know what to say about it at this point in time...

As for the Stand and Banner just like the Show Sponsorship with the Kordek's that is between David and Kelly... and between him and BT/Larry...

I'm just overall dissapointed with how things have gone and it's a shame...

IMO David should have shipped the banner and stand as he said he was or he just shouldn't have said he would all together... and as far as the situation with the Kordek's that again could have been easily prevented if David would have either said NO all together or just paid them... There are 2 sides of a story and I only heard David's on that particular situation. At the time I had no reason not to trust his side but as more things have popped up over time since the original thread on Fauna I'm just about done with the whole situation...


Hope Larry and BT get their stands/banner back... It's a damn shame. :(

Thanks for answering the questions. It's a shame he left ya'll hanging like he has.. I mean the mod team from over there have really stuck up for David.. It's cool you were trying to look out for a friend and all but like you said above maybe it's time to cut and run bro..

Alan

I made a post or two based on what he had said between his situation with the Kordek's but I shouldn't have even done that knowing it was not my situation in the first place... Of course a lesson was learned...

Other than that It's never been so much about sticking up for David but just the fact that I really believed in the site itself... and I feel that alot of people at that time sorta trashed the site itself without even giving the service a fair shot... Both before and after the situation with the Kordek's had popped up...

Either way, regardless of any of the situations between David and the Kordek's or Larry/BT... all could have been simply avoided if PROPER COMMUNICATION was made on David's Part.

You don't think he has some dirtbagginess going on?? I mean with all thats been said it sorta looks that way. I really tried to beleive in the site to. I was going to use him after I got babies on the ground. But now I just can't feel right in doing so. I'm going to get certified and just ship through my own account.

Alan

I have my own opinions but I'd rather keep them to myself then express them openly on an internet message board...

And even with as much that has happened... and I really don't want to get into it... people are still lined up waiting to ship... I guess the way you gotta think about it is 40% is 40%... IF reptster goes live with UPS and folks do see a 30-40% savings on individual packages with the most reliable method of shipping available why wouldn't you take advantage of the extra money saved?... Regardless of feelings towards the site owner.


Honestly though... whatever happens... happens... But I would rather this just be my last post in regards to the shipping or any other matters of the site regarding any business... the fact of the matter is... It's David's site, I'm just a mod.

Steven....

Originally I believed in the service as well.... I had actually based my business around being able to ship thru him....then some of his business practices came to light and I had to close up shop till I could get certified.

people are still lined up waiting to ship... I guess the way you gotta think about it is 40% is 40%... IF reptster goes live with UPS and folks do see a 30-40% savings on individual packages with the most reliable method of shipping available why wouldn't you take advantage of the extra money saved?... Regardless of feelings towards the site owner.


Its called integrity and ethics... why would I want to go into business with someone that is lacking in those areas... in the end... it would just make me look bad by association. For me is not always about the money. I would rather eat the sale then do business with someone that is shady.

I am trying to build a respectable business... and that wont be possible if you utilize the services of someone that doesnt care about their clients or their own word. I need to know that IF I have a problem.. it will get the attention it deserves.... and right now it seems like most emails and phone calls go unanswered... and he definately is not responding to questions... he is leaving you and Gerry to take the brunt of things. Which is not right... also goes to his character. Once again... why would I want to associate.... to save $10 on shipping.... I DONT THINK SO.

Steven.... I will have to give you credit though... I never would have though I would have seen the last 2 posts that you made... especially how you seemed so gung ho about David and "whatsthecompanyname". I really think you have started to see what everyone else was.

I am sorry that you and Gerry got caught up in this.... and I hope it turns out.

Maybe Larry or BT can chime in on that one.

No we haven't.. The bad part is the banner stands are not ours, they were loaned to me by a close friend and now I'll have to buy new ones..

My buddy really helped us out by loaning us these really nice banner stands at the last minute, only to be screwed in the end...

The Reptile Radio banner is looks to be gone forever as well.

Hell maybe David will send them? I doubt it because we've never heard back from him..

Thats so messed up!! That really sucks this happened to ya'll..

Alan

sad....

talk about a compete implosion!

I don't care "IF" he gets set up with UPS or FEDEX, Or Airforce one.... I wouldn't place a single second of time or money with someone like this that I think is just a shady person.... period.

LOL. Definitely not if he gets set up with Airforce One. Who knows.. with the Obama plan, they may send the snake to someone they feel is more "deserving" of it. All kidding aside, I'd rather spend the extra bucks out of pocket on the shipping to make sure that I have a reliable service and that the integrity of my business stays intact.

I have something to say, directed towards Steven mostly...

Steven, we have obviously had our disagreements in the thread on Fauna, and I was really upset about how you came across. I did understand the idea of you putting up for a buddy, but never quite understood HOW you could do that since the situation was so obviously (according to most everyone else as well as us) just bad business. Matthew and I even said that we felt bad for you guys (the mods and people who were trying so hard to work FOR Reptster/David), as we just KNEW you guys would get caught up in it when it all hit the fan. I am sorry this has happened to you guys, its wrong, and just goes to show, once again, how David treats the people who try to support him on any level. I told Gerry in emails, and I am telling you publicly, for your own good and your own reputation, get out now, and stay out, and never look back. You have plenty of time to recoup the losses YOU have incurred on your reputation, as I think you know you have gotten hit there a bit. Sure, you shot off at the mouth to quite a few people (and so did some fo the rest of us, including me), but a simple apology and focusing on your beautiful collection of animals and goals in this industry WILL put that behind you, probably sooner than later. That doesn't come from "the Kordek's" per say, but from a fellow hobbyist who can see where you can go with things.

I also want to say I respect your statements about our situation on this forum, and suggest maybe you hit Fauna and let your feelings be known since the issue is SO huge over there. You are right, it WAS between David and us (and anyone else he had issues with), but unfortunately for everyone involved, we are just too stubborn to keep our mouths shut and brought it out. And unfortunately for you guys (his supporters), he screwed you guys by leaving you hanging and using you as his mouthpieces. Hell, I have even used that term to describe you several times ("his mouthpiece Mr. Kelley"), and others have as well. But, you were doing what you thought was right and standing up for a buddy. I will hold you no fault for that, and have no problem wiping the slate clean and starting OUR relationship over, breeder to breeder, hobbyist to hobbyist.

I guess I took your statements as a vague apology, and I hope I am not reading into things too much. Just like most people, Matthew and I have basically figured out that David screwed us and everyone else, and that we will never see a dime from him (and neither will most of the people he screwed). But bigger than that, I think you guys, as his supporters, are getting that reality brick upside the head that he really does NOT care about anyone but himself, and is willing to screw his own friends to do what he feels he can. I don't wish that on anyone no matter what, because it just HURTS to be screwed over by a friend.

So, in essence, you can consider this MY olive branch to you - let's just move forward as people who seem to love the same animals, and let bygones be bygones. I just hope you don't get (or haven't gotten) too hurt in this situation professionally, as you have a lot of potential to be something good in this industry.

As far as the UPS thing goes, I think the info for an update has been posted on Fauna, and I will not rehash it here. But it looks like David has basically told the community "screw you, we are only flippers in shipping now" in not so many words. I hope that helps people see where he is really coming from if they didn't before...straight from his pocketbook and nowhere else...

Kelly Kordek

I do apologize for what I have said in the fauna thread...In regards to you Kelly and anyone else who might have taken offense to any statements I made...

As far as my current association with Reptster I have stepped down from being a site admin and am moving on accordingly. I'm honestly just tired and fed up with the whole situation. Sad to have seen the way things have gone and right now I'm just focusing on this years breeding season and the animals...



...This is suppose to be all about the animals right?

I do apologize for what I have said in the fauna thread...In regards to you Kelly and anyone else who might have taken offense to any statements I made...

As far as my current association with Reptster I have stepped down from being a site admin and am moving on accordingly. I'm honestly just tired and fed up with the whole situation. Sad to have seen the way things have gone and right now I'm just focusing on this years breeding season and the animals...



...This is suppose to be all about the animals right?

I think that's a positive step forward Steven.... focus on the animals and move on.

Good move.

Alan

I'm another one that will have to give you a pat on the back Steve...you were standing for what you (and most of us at one time) believed in, you stuck it out as long as you felt comfortable. There is no harm in that in my eyes...

I haven't been back to the fauna thread in awhile mainly because my mind was made up to take any hit on my end then compromise my integrity as I saw it...

I do apologize for what I have said in the fauna thread...In regards to you Kelly and anyone else who might have taken offense to any statements I made...

As far as my current association with Reptster I have stepped down from being a site admin and am moving on accordingly. I'm honestly just tired and fed up with the whole situation. Sad to have seen the way things have gone and right now I'm just focusing on this years breeding season and the animals...



...This is suppose to be all about the animals right?

:cheers:

As far as my current association with Reptster I have stepped down from being a site admin and am moving on accordingly.

Smart move Steve...:yessir:

Kudos to both Steve and Kelly for moving on. I too have supported a buddy in this hobby until I got the knife in the back and had to eat crow.... It sucks big time...

I do apologize for what I have said in the fauna thread...In regards to you Kelly and anyone else who might have taken offense to any statements I made...

As far as my current association with Reptster I have stepped down from being a site admin and am moving on accordingly. I'm honestly just tired and fed up with the whole situation. Sad to have seen the way things have gone and right now I'm just focusing on this years breeding season and the animals...



...This is suppose to be all about the animals right?

Thats definately a step in the right direction.