This is a Sand Fire Tiger dragon we just got today...He is about 11.5 inches long and weighs in at 74 grams.

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Thanks for looking :cheers:

Vibrant colors on him

Congrats on the newbie

He's a looker! Congrats on the new pickup!

Sand Fire Tiger? Sounds dangerous. Looks great though.

Thanks Guys.....Quig they are sometimes called lavender dragons because of their side bars. I do think the Sand fire tiger is more fitting though :yessir: Looks and sounds dangerous like you said :cool:

John, that guy is a hottie!

He looks great John! Congrats:cheers:

That dude is smokin bro! Congrats!

Looks like he is on fire -- beautiful dude! :rockon:

Thanks everyone

John, who'd you pick him up from?

John, who'd you pick him up from?

Angie Husk over on Fauna....Really great to deal with :cheers:

So....how many you have now 83?


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So....how many you have now 83?


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4 so far :cheers:

BTW John, I'd love to see your caging setups for them!

BTW John, I'd love to see your caging setups for them!

I'll get some pictures....Basically a 50 gallon aqaurium for each pair right now.....Bit more room then they probably need right now....But should be fine for them as they grow and mature out.....I put paper all the way around the glass right now as they want to try and fight them selves or something when they see thier reflection in the glass....I'm hoping to take the paper down as soon as they get more settled in...Just one way of keeping the stress down till then with them....

I'm using Zoo meds Vita Sand for substrate and for lighting I'm using the Zilla 36" combo Fixture I really like it...It's expensive but really nice...has a timer and all the lights needed in one.....UBV and UVA....Wth infare red for night heat....It's stable sitting on top of the aquariums and allows me to get in and out without moving lights each time to feed them...Bigger items such as cleaning the cage I have to move it some...

I have 2 VERY curious house cats and stable lighting to reduce fire hazard was a must!!

Overall they like...Right now I have the smaller pair divided off in the aquarium to farther reduce stress on them as well...

Ah, thanks for the setup info. I'm sure we'll end up with a female eventually, and I wasn't sure if we'd keep them in aquariums or end up buying cages for them.

Any questions or suggestions about what I'm doing or how I'm doing it...post away I'm still very new to keeping these guys...So I open to hearing things :yessir:

I'm starting a Dubia roach colony as well....The stinky cricket poo has got to be contained some how :lol: I probably can't get away from them totally but at least reduce the amount of crickets needed by having some roaches.

Ah, thanks for the setup info. I'm sure we'll end up with a female eventually, and I wasn't sure if we'd keep them in aquariums or end up buying cages for them.

You can't beat there personallity....They done have me pinned as the cricket guy who feeds them....:lol: That arm wave they do is priceless IMO

Very nice looking beardie you got john. now since i know nothing about them, are all of them little spike like scales i see hard and sharp or are they soft and flexible? i'm sure thats a dumb question but i havent ever actually held one before lol.

I'll get some pictures....Basically a 50 gallon aqaurium for each pair right now.....Bit more room then they probably need right now....But should be fine for them as they grow and mature out.....I put paper all the way around the glass right now as they want to try and fight them selves or something when they see thier reflection in the glass....I'm hoping to take the paper down as soon as they get more settled in...Just one way of keeping the stress down till then with them....

I'm using Zoo meds Vita Sand for substrate and for lighting I'm using the Zilla 36" combo Fixture I really like it...It's expensive but really nice...has a timer and all the lights needed in one.....UBV and UVA....Wth infare red for night heat....It's stable sitting on top of the aquariums and allows me to get in and out without moving lights each time to feed them...Bigger items such as cleaning the cage I have to move it some...

I have 2 VERY curious house cats and stable lighting to reduce fire hazard was a must!!

Overall they like...Right now I have the smaller pair divided off in the aquarium to farther reduce stress on them as well...


John Ill tell ya straight up I dont like sand for anything. Vitasand, whatever. Big rip off. Lizard care is very similar across the board. We sometimes make it more complicated than it needs to be. Id go for a sand/soil mix. Sifted topsoil (organic) and playsand. MUCH cheaper and I think a better solution. If you think about it very few herps actually live in sand. Sandy soil? You betcha. But straight sand? Not many. A few desert species. The sandy soil will clump making it less likely to be swallowed and with a touch of water added it hold a burrow should they choose to dig one. And it wont fly into everything once packed down. I know a lot of the care sheets recommend sand so this is just one guys opinion. Me no likely sand on its own.

Ive kept everything from skinks to agamids to varanids to igaunids on sandy soil. And its worked well for all of them.

If you really wanna use sand just get pre washed playsand for about $3 for a 40lb bag. That Zoo Med stuff too pricey for me. A farmboy should know this. :D

Breardies do like to dig if given the chance. Im sure you've seen that already.

Otherwise sounds like you got a handle on it. Even know the paper trick :D

I'm starting a Dubia roach colony as well.....


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John Ill tell ya straight up I dont like sand for anything. Vitasand, whatever. Big rip off. Lizard care is very similar across the board. We sometimes make it more complicated than it needs to be. Id go for a sand/soil mix. Sifted topsoil (organic) and playsand. MUCH cheaper and I think a better solution. If you think about it very few herps actually live in sand. Sandy soil? You betcha. But straight sand? Not many. A few desert species. The sandy soil will clump making it less likely to be swallowed and with a touch of water added it hold a burrow should they choose to dig one. And it wont fly into everything once packed down. I know a lot of the care sheets recommend sand so this is just one guys opinion. Me no likely sand on its own.

Ive kept everything from skinks to agamids to varanids to igaunids on sandy soil. And its worked well for all of them.

If you really wanna use sand just get pre washed playsand for about $3 for a 40lb bag. That Zoo Med stuff too pricey for me. A farmboy should know this. :D

Breardies do like to dig if given the chance. Im sure you've seen that already.

Otherwise sounds like you got a handle on it. Even know the paper trick :D

Might give that a try before buying anymore sand next time...I like the sound of it as you described though makes sense...Thanks :cheers:

Might give that a try before buying anymore sand next time...I like the sound of it as you described though makes sense...Thanks :cheers:

JUst one guys opinion. I know Im outnumbered in the beardie community.

JUst one guys opinion. I know Im outnumbered in the beardie community.

Hog wash to the numbers....I trust your word anyday :yessir:

Awesome addition John! He's a hottie!

As far as the substrate issue, we took our breeders advice and just got plain ole play sand for our guy and he doesn't seem to mind it so far. I never heard of mixing it with soil but it doesn't sound like a horrible idea. We'll see what happens, I guess!

Do you have pics of your other 3 posted somewhere? If not, post em up!! :D

Just to clarify Im not challenging the big breeders. There is no doubt that sand works. Sure it does. So would newspaper. Probably cypress mulch too. Although Id for sure go with playsand over Zoomed stuff simply for the price.

Just throwing around ideas. Perhaps exploring other options.

Very nice beardie. Looks like he's gonna stay nice and bright.:cheers:

Awesome addition John! He's a hottie!

As far as the substrate issue, we took our breeders advice and just got plain ole play sand for our guy and he doesn't seem to mind it so far. I never heard of mixing it with soil but it doesn't sound like a horrible idea. We'll see what happens, I guess!

Do you have pics of your other 3 posted somewhere? If not, post em up!! :D

Thanks.....The others are on here somewhere....I'll get updates if not tonight tommorrow :cheers:

That is one beautiful beardie.

Just to clarify Im not challenging the big breeders. There is no doubt that sand works. Sure it does. So would newspaper. Probably cypress mulch too. Although Id for sure go with playsand over Zoomed stuff simply for the price.

Just throwing around ideas. Perhaps exploring other options.

We understand ya....Well I do at least...I think most others do to....I can think of one or two that might not....But I think it's good to hear ideas outside the norm of things....especially if they work for someone :yessir:

wow john sweet

We understand ya....Well I do at least...I think most others do to....I can think of one or two that might not....But I think it's good to hear ideas outside the norm of things....especially if they work for someone :yessir:

I definitely agree. There are so many people that are very set in their ways and think that everybody should do it the same way or they don't care about their pets. The thing is, as all reptile owners probably know, all animals are gonna be different. And different methods are gonna work for different people. I think it's important to share ideas with other owners.

Great looking newbie!

I agree with V on the substrate choice, I found a really good deal on that brick fiber stuff and they loved it...plus when it was time to lay eggs I would wet down the entire cage and once she picked the temp with nest sites I only had to wet down that area...to each his own, my brother keeps his on sand now despite all my guiding...LOL

So....how many you have now 83?


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That's next summer....:cheers: