is it needed o breed desert kings, cali kings, florida/brooks kings and honduran milks?

cheers guys :yessir:

I have bred several different kings with no brumation. Why? When I first started back in the stone age I didnt know any better. And later on certain animals that I wasnt planning on breeding didnt get brumated and then I figured what the heck and just put them together. They bred and produced fertile eggs which hatched.

I have read that brumation can improve fecundity. I have no reason to doubt that. It is the natural way after all. Personally I didnt notice a difference between brumated animals and non brumated animals. Roughly the same number of eggs, same hatch rate, healthy babies. I didnt see a difference.

If I were to breed colubrids again I would brumate as I see no reason not to and I do believe it does increase your chances of a successful breeding despite my past experiences. I may have gotten lucky, who knows.

V hit it right on. Some will breed without it, some wont. I have always brumated my colubrids so I have never tested fate.

V hit it right on. Some will breed without it, some wont. I have always brumated my colubrids so I have never tested fate.

Yeah, its a good idea. It may have been that at the time I lived in NY at my parents house and my old man was a stickler about that thermostat. We froze our butts off. The snakes were on heat tape (Old school not flexwatt) but the ambient temperature in the room went down in the winter time. So that may have had something to do with it. Not a proper brumation by any means but a definite temperature drop.

When I brumated I put them in the attic and it got COLD! It was a little scary. I would go up to check on them and they were literally cold to the touch. Like they just came out of a fridge. That was hard for a teenager who was taught "Reptiles need heat" to handle. I had no control over how cold it got up there. I was at the mercy of Mother Nature and my old man. LOL! Luckily, I never lost a snake or had one get sick. They all came out of it fine. Shows you how resilient colubrids are. Especially corns. You need a shotgun to kill an adult corn.

SOme of the biggest corn breeders live in Florida and dont get much of a brumation either. Obviously it doesnt hurt their production much.....

SOme of the biggest corn breeders live in Florida and dont get much of a brumation either. Obviously it doesnt hurt their production much.....

True. But then again I think I could breed corns in a freezer.

I like to tell story about the time I was cleaning cages. I pulled a female out and put her in a holding tub. Then I pulled this very young male out and just tossed him in with the female for a few minutes while I cleaned the cages. 5 minutes later I go get them and they are locked up. Unreal. She became gravid and laid (If I remember correctly) 9 eggs. All hatched. Just what I wanted, 9 normal corns that I couldnt give away. :greenman:

But I just cant resist hatching the eggs. Oh yeah these were hatched in a shoebox on the top shelf of my room. Corns are so easy.

I prefer it so it sets the cycle...

Yeah I sold Buckskin my vanishing pattern corns last year and I put them in the same box to deliver them. Low and behold I get to his house and look in the box and they are doing the dirty..... All he had to do was hatch the freaking eggs! :mad:

Yeah I sold Buckskin my vanishing pattern corns last year and I put them in the same box to deliver them. Low and behold I get to his house and look in the box and they are doing the dirty..... All he had to do was hatch the freaking eggs! :mad:

Hatch the eggs, clean the babies every other day and get them eating...:lmao:

Don't really brumate and have eggs coming out of my ears at times...

Don't really brumate and have eggs coming out of my ears at times...

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Hatch the eggs, clean the babies every other day and get them eating...:lmao:

Yeah I guess he did get that part too! :devil: But i will tell you that pair is gorgeous. The female is one of the most perfect normals (het vanishing pattern) I have ever seen.

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Well, I have been dubbed Egghead by some :D

I don't really think that it is neccessary to brumate. I brumate most of my collection just to give myself a break for 3 months. I've found this 'off time' is very important in order to mentally charge up for the next season.

I don't really think that it is neccessary to brumate. I brumate most of my collection just to give myself a break for 3 months. I've found this 'off time' is very important in order to mentally charge up for the next season.

I dont deal with colubrids but this would be the main reason I would brumate. To avoid burn out.

is it needed o breed desert kings, cali kings, florida/brooks kings and honduran milks?

cheers guys :yessir:

Brumation may not be 100% needed, but my experience is you get more consistanty fertile clutches with higher yeilds!

As you know living were we both do, you don't get long constant durations of even cold temps. I have never had a problem with any of those types you mentioned breeding as they can easily detect the seasonal change and get exposed to good "tastes" of the cold fronts that do hang around for a while here in central Florida.

My Outer banks I keep closer to the exposure of the cool temps by the outside door as they will totally go off feed and shut down from about late January to about April. I figure since when does it ever get or stay 60 degrees in Latin America where Honduran's are native?..LOL!


~Doug