http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/25/the_adolescent_angst_of_barack_obama_97162.html

Alrighty, here we go.

Back in July 2007, Obama said that he would meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other tyrants without preconditions.

Maybe in these two years he has learned that invading other countries is not the answer (look at Vietnam and Korea).

Again, why is the US responsible for what happens in other countries?

Let's be fair here, it's only been like, what, 2 weeks since the elections in Iran? Give them some time and wait to see how it develops before sending in troops.

And, thank God that Obama is making this decision.

Plus, Obama shows a continued distaste for missile defense when tyrants are aiming missiles at us and our friends.

Do we really want another pissing contest like the Cold War?

Later, Matt

Alrighty, here we go.

Back in July 2007, Obama said that he would meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other tyrants without preconditions.

Maybe in these two years he has learned that invading other countries is not the answer (look at Vietnam and Korea).

Again, why is the US responsible for what happens in other countries?

Let's be fair here, it's only been like, what, 2 weeks since the elections in Iran? Give them some time and wait to see how it develops before sending in troops.

And, thank God that Obama is making this decision.

Plus, Obama shows a continued distaste for missile defense when tyrants are aiming missiles at us and our friends.

Do we really want another pissing contest like the Cold War?

Later, Matt

Do we really want another pissing contest like the Cold War?

Later, Matt

:lol: YEAH that's exactly what this is............. It's not like N. Korea is trying to move missiles capable of carrying a nuclear payload to the US and potentially selling them to TERRORISTS who WILL use them against us given the option is any different than a gigantic country like the USSR stockpiling nuclear weapons as their defense against us stockpiling nuclear weapons.

This is NOT going to be a cold war, North Korea is throwing it in our faces that they HAVE WMDs and WILL use them against us and little BO is sitting with one thumb up his ass and the other in his mouth just "waiting to see what is going to happen" BULLSHIT.

BT you must be felling political whats up with all the Obama threads?

The way I look at it is leave the politics to the politicians! We all can make assumptions but the fact is we are not informed, there are things going on behind the scenes that the public is not told. I dont see anything wrong with having decent discussion about whats going on in the Middle East, N.Korea or Obama's policies as long as they dont turn unpatriotic. As far as Michael Baron(media in general) report I dont pay it any mind, Ill just wait till I see what type of individual Obama is when he is near the end of his term when he finishes his job.

I dont see anything wrong with having decent discussion about whats going on in the Middle East, N.Korea or Obama's policies as long as they dont turn unpatriotic.

Please explain what your definition of "unpatriotic" is. I'm curious.

:lol: YEAH that's exactly what this is............. It's not like N. Korea is trying to move missiles capable of carrying a nuclear payload to the US and potentially selling them to TERRORISTS who WILL use them against us given the option is any different than a gigantic country like the USSR stockpiling nuclear weapons as their defense against us stockpiling nuclear weapons.

This is NOT going to be a cold war, North Korea is throwing it in our faces that they HAVE WMDs and WILL use them against us and little BO is sitting with one thumb up his ass and the other in his mouth just "waiting to see what is going to happen" BULLSHIT.

If the US is going to make more nuclear weapons (yay, even more debt :wamma:), tell me how it's not the same as the Cold War?

If the US is going to make more nuclear weapons (yay, even more debt :wamma:), tell me how it's not the same as the Cold War?

Huh? Who's said anything about the US making more nuclear weapons. Part of Big O's agenda is making sure that we dismantle our nukes. I'm talking about the other countries (North Korea, Pakistan, Iran) that now have the capability to produce nuclear weapons, the ability to launch missiles capable of hitting US territories and people with their finger on the trigger that are just friggin crazy enough to push it! Meanwhile our president sits back and talks about forming diplomatic relationships with the same terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying us.

Huh? Who's said anything about the US making more nuclear weapons. Part of Big O's agenda is making sure that we dismantle our nukes. I'm talking about the other countries (North Korea, Pakistan, Iran) that now have the capability to produce nuclear weapons, the ability to launch missiles capable of hitting US territories and people with their finger on the trigger that are just friggin crazy enough to push it! Meanwhile our president sits back and talks about forming diplomatic relationships with the same terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying us.

Thanks for reading my post.

I said IF the US is gonna start making more nuclear weapons.

Tell me - with links please - where you hear of these "friggin crazy" and "hell-bent" terrorists?

Thanks for reading my post.

I said IF the US is gonna start making more nuclear weapons.

Tell me - with links please - where you hear of these "friggin crazy" and "hell-bent" terrorists?

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/18/kim-jong-il-to-provide-hawaiian-fireworks-for-4th-of-july/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear_91

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090625/D991L8J80.html

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1997/apr/07/driven-by-oil-and-spite-for-us-iran-reaches-for-do/

I'll get you some more gladly once I'm done with work kid, that took me all of 5 minutes to collect (try google sometime it's pretty cool what you can find). Sorry to burst your bubble but there are people out there who hate this country.

Thanks for reading my post.

I said IF the US is gonna start making more nuclear weapons.

Tell me - with links please - where you hear of these "friggin crazy" and "hell-bent" terrorists?

Also, you should probably have read my post I never said anything about the US producing more nuclear weapons :machinegun:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/18/kim-jong-il-to-provide-hawaiian-fireworks-for-4th-of-july/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear_91

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090625/D991L8J80.html

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1997/apr/07/driven-by-oil-and-spite-for-us-iran-reaches-for-do/

I'll get you some more gladly once I'm done with work kid, that took me all of 5 minutes to collect (try google sometime it's pretty cool what you can find). Sorry to burst your bubble but there are people out there who hate this country.

Thanks, I apprecaite it.

Also, you should probably have read my post I never said anything about the US producing more nuclear weapons :machinegun:

Yep, you're right, I misread it. :o

Can we keep the machine guns out of this please? It seems to be a recurring theme here at the BLBC, sorry to say. :cheers:

Please explain what your definition of "unpatriotic" is. I'm curious.


Im extreme, I think anyone who is talking s*** about are commander and chief is unpatriotic, that's just me tho...you know. I look it like this he is the boss the person who represents the USA If we make him look bad then what does that say about us. In any respect there are people who talk and people who take action and its up to us to decide what side of the fence you land.

Peoples is mad that they didnt win.


Thats all this is.


You didnt win the election...and your STILL butt hurt.

If McCain would have won, you would be bitchin that even HE is not doing it right.

Peoples is mad that they didnt win.


Thats all this is.


You didnt win the election...and your STILL butt hurt.

If McCain would have won, you would be bitchin that even HE is not doing it right.


Damn straight! I'll bitch and complain till whoever is there gets it right for the american people.

Im extreme, I think anyone who is talking s*** about are commander and chief is unpatriotic, that's just me tho...you know. I look it like this he is the boss the person who represents the USA If we make him look bad then what does that say about us. In any respect there are people who talk and people who take action and its up to us to decide what side of the fence you land.

Oh yeah?? I think it's the utmost form of patriotism to disagree with your leadership when they are wrong. Talk shit, throw shit, break shit whatever it takes. This nation was built precisely because of that reason.

I am a member of the loyal opposition. I am against anyone that does not stand for the best interests of this country regardless of what position they may hold.

If McCain would have won, you would be bitchin that even HE is not doing it right.

:lol: why is it that people still assume if you hate BO you're for McCain? McCain was a piece of shit liberal republican candidate that should never have been put up for office.

And you know what if he had won and was doing the same crap that Barry is doing now I'd STILL be bitching about it because it's flat out wrong no matter who is doing it.

Oh yeah?? I think it's the utmost form of patriotism to disagree with your leadership when they are wrong. Talk shit, throw shit, break shit whatever it takes. This nation was built precisely because of that reason.

I am a member of the loyal opposition. I am against anyone that does not stand for the best interests of this country regardless of what position they may hold.

By opposition you mean Republican right? It just seems that every since Bush left office that the republicans started to bitch as they lost control put them in a bad light in my eyes as if they were sore losers.
You know that when you start to play hard ball in the Majors the position of wrong or right gets blurry!

Damn straight! I'll bitch and complain till whoever is there gets it right for the american people.


Jay, I couldn't have said it any better. This country belongs to the American people, we are not here to serve the politicians it is the other way around.:yessir:

By opposition you mean Republican right? It just seems that every since Bush left office that the republicans started to bitch as they lost control put them in a bad light in my eyes as if they were sore losers.
You know that when you start to play hard ball in the Majors the position of wrong or right gets blurry!

I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm a libertarian so yeah...... There hasn't been a viable libertarian candidate running for president for a long time besides Ron Paul and even he was a little iffy. Granted the majority of candidates I've voted for have been GOP but that's just a matter of them being the lesser of two evils not because I gave a crap about them or their policies for the most part.

I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm a libertarian so yeah...... There hasn't been a viable libertarian candidate running for president for a long time besides Ron Paul and even he was a little iffy. Granted the majority of candidates I've voted for have been GOP but that's just a matter of them being the lesser of two evils not because I gave a crap about them or their policies for the most part.

I hear ya bro, my thought are almost the same.

BT you must be felling political whats up with all the Obama threads?

The way I look at it is leave the politics to the politicians! We all can make assumptions but the fact is we are not informed, there are things going on behind the scenes that the public is not told. I dont see anything wrong with having decent discussion about whats going on in the Middle East, N.Korea or Obama's policies as long as they dont turn unpatriotic. As far as Michael Baron(media in general) report I dont pay it any mind, Ill just wait till I see what type of individual Obama is when he is near the end of his term when he finishes his job.

What's up with the threads...I hate Obama - That can't be hard to figure out...IMO - His policies - All of them suck ass...

Peoples is mad that they didnt win.


Thats all this is.


You didnt win the election...and your STILL butt hurt.

If McCain would have won, you would be bitchin that even HE is not doing it right.

I'm not mad I didn't win - I didn't run...Butt hurt? I've said it before - They all suck...Your clown just happens to suck worse...

What's up with the threads...I hate Obama - That can't be hard to figure out...IMO - His policies - All of them suck ass...

Well said BT :yessir::yessir:

What's up with the threads...I hate Obama - That can't be hard to figure out...IMO - His policies - All of them suck ass...

And you know every single one of his policies?!?! Wow.....

I'm not mad I didn't win - I didn't run...Butt hurt? I've said it before - They all suck...Your clown just happens to suck worse...

My clown?? LOL You crack me up BT.

Of course Im not happy with the way the economy is, of course he is making drastic changes that some people are obviously afraid of :rolleyes:.

If he is really effin up that bad, it will just make it that much better when your "clowns" come to "save the day"

And you know every single one of his policies?!?! Wow.....



My clown?? LOL You crack me up BT.

Of course Im not happy with the way the economy is, of course he is making drastic changes that some people are obviously afraid of :rolleyes:.

If he is really effin up that bad, it will just make it that much better when your "clowns" come to "save the day"

No - I don't know every single one of his policies...But the ones I do know - Suck...

Drastic changes - Yep I'd say so...A Global Healthcare plan that can't be paid for - That will never work...Higher taxes...Goverment owed car companies and banks...Don't forget we own AIG - Bout 80% I beleive...Keep going?

I have no clowns - Once again - They all suck...This goverement is beyond saving...

If your so tired of the "I hate Obama threads" - Why you keep posting?

What's up with the threads...I hate Obama - That can't be hard to figure out...IMO - His policies - All of them suck ass...

I cant say the same, I dont agree with allot of his policies and even go as far as to say did not want him in office but to hate, nope cant do it. Hate is a very strong word IMO, there are only 3 men I save that word for and the only reason I hate them is because they took something that can never be replaced. In any respect I dont even know the man never met him probably never will so to say I hate him nope cant do it.

Bt your just not shooting off at the mouth cause your trying to uphold the persona of Rebel of the south are you.:cool:

Of course Im not happy with the way the economy is, of course he is making drastic changes that some people are obviously afraid of :rolleyes:.



Pat you may want to educate yourself on Obamas economic policies, and then you will understand the concern. Have you even bothered to read some of the info I provided in the other thread, info that is meant to explain some of the economical technicalities to you. I am trying to get you to think and not to just accept what the mainstream media spews out. In fact I don't want you to just take my word for it, that is why I provide links for you to do your own research. You like to come across as some enlightened individual but you are still in the dark ages of partisain politics.

This is about the constitution and the very ideals that men and women have sacraficed their lives for in defense of this country. I think the least you can do is educate yourself a little more about the issues at hand so you can have a debate that goes beyond wether dems are better than repubs because as BT said they all suck and it is time for a new solution. Man up Patty Cakes, I want you tell me why you feel Obamas economic policies are constitutional and not a threat to capitalism. You like to talk in vauge references, well I'm callin' you out, I want to see if you know what your talking about or if you are just another sheep regurging what AC360, Maddow, the Sportscenter guy on MSNBC and other so called enlightened ones.

Glass-Steagell is the key!

I cant say the same, I dont agree with allot of his policies and even go as far as to say did not want him in office but to hate, nope cant do it. Hate is a very strong word IMO, there are only 3 men I save that word for and the only reason I hate them is because they took something that can never be replaced. In any respect I dont even know the man never met him probably never will so to say I hate him nope cant do it.

Bt your just not shooting off at the mouth cause your trying to uphold the persona of Rebel of the south are you.:cool:

There is no persona to uphold...It is what it is...You can't hate - I can...I'm fine with that...:rebel:

Pat you may want to educate yourself on Obamas economic policies, and then you will understand the concern. Have you even bothered to read some of the info I provided in the other thread, info that is meant to explain some of the economical technicalities to you. I am trying to get you to think and not to just accept what the mainstream media spews out. In fact I don't want you to just take my word for it, that is why I provide links for you to do your own research. You like to come across as some enlightened individual but you are still in the dark ages of partisain politics.

This is about the constitution and the very ideals that men and women have sacraficed their lives for in defense of this country. I think the least you can do is educate yourself a little more about the issues at hand so you can have a debate that goes beyond wether dems are better than repubs because as BT said they all suck and it is time for a new solution. Man up Patty Cakes, I want you tell me why you feel Obamas economic policies are constitutional and not a threat to capitalism. You like to talk in vauge references, well I'm callin' you out, I want to see if you know what your talking about or if you are just another sheep regurging what AC360, Maddow, the Sportscenter guy on MSNBC and other so called enlightened ones.

Glass-Steagell is the key!

He can't and won't...Another typical sheep that can't see the obvious...

I posted 4 or 5 links to stories this morning before I left work to go home...2 actually got a rise out of some folks...The others - Not so much...

I'm curious why no one has said shit to say about Obama's great Global Healthcare Plan...Read the link -

There is no persona to uphold...It is what it is...You can't hate - I can...I'm fine with that...:rebel:

You rebel you!:rockon:

He can't and won't...Another typical sheep that can't see the obvious...

I posted 4 or 5 links to stories this morning before I left work to go home...2 actually got a rise out of some folks...The others - Not so much...

I'm curious why no one has said shit to say about Obama's great Global Healthcare Plan...Read the link -

LOL anyone that disagrees with your point of view is wrong, right? :master:

LOL anyone that disagrees with your point of view is wrong, right? :master:

Thats exactly it Matt.

If your not with em...your against em. Been like that since waaaay back in 08 LOL


I wonder what I can call BT without getting booted?


Funny how you can call everybody names, think that they are stupid and unedumakated huh BT?

Im extreme, I think anyone who is talking s*** about are commander and chief is unpatriotic, that's just me tho...you know. I look it like this he is the boss the person who represents the USA If we make him look bad then what does that say about us. In any respect there are people who talk and people who take action and its up to us to decide what side of the fence you land.


He doesn't need our help in making him look bad. He's doing a bang up job all by himself.

He doesn't need our help in making him look bad. He's doing a bang up job all by himself.
He sure does

Im extreme, I think anyone who is talking s*** about are commander and chief is unpatriotic, that's just me tho...you know. I look it like this he is the boss the person who represents the USA If we make him look bad then what does that say about us. In any respect there are people who talk and people who take action and its up to us to decide what side of the fence you land.

I don't think anyone should be placed on a level that makes them out of reach of being disagreed with. What does it say about us? Well, imo the president may be a political figure head representation of the USA, but it's the people who are the real face of any country. If we talk good or bad about the president then that shows there is still some decent form of democracy still being exercised by it's people.... freedom of speech.

People do indeed talk, they voice their opinion and I would venture to say they will take action at the next election.

Thats exactly it Matt.

If your not with em...your against em. Been like that since waaaay back in 08 LOL


I wonder what I can call BT without getting booted?


Funny how you can call everybody names, think that they are stupid and unedumakated huh BT?

Pat, since your so educated are you going to explain why you think Obamas plan is so great or are you going to just talk crap about the mythological "them"? The longer you refrain from an intellegent rebutle, the more it looks like you have nothing but regurgitated fluff to base your beliefs on. And Pat I admitted to voting for Obama, so you can't use that anti-O crap on me because I wanted him to succeed for the countrys sake. Turns out he is just another puppet, in bed with Wall Street and the Bankers. That wasn't an easy pill to swallow and it is not real fun admiting I was wrong about him but simply put "it is what it is".

Open your eyes Pat, the only one making you look "unedumakated" is yourself. Out of curiosity what flavor of Koolaid is your favorite....:lmao:.....relax...I'm just messin' with ya! But seriously if you have a valid reason to show that O is not like all the others I'd love to hear it, because you are very bold in support of Obama but fail to back up that support with facts. This isn't personal Pat, but I feel if you are going to stick your head into a political debate then please bring something tangible to the plate.

Oh...one more thing....left vs right.......dem vs rep....... is sooooooooooo 2008. They are all the same, and the sooner you realise that the sooner you will wake up and see things for what they really are and understand that we as a country have been perfectly divided by policies that don't really matter in day to day life.

I don't think anyone should be placed on a level that makes them out of reach of being disagreed with. What does it say about us? Well, imo the president may be a political figure head representation of the USA, but it's the people who are the real face of any country. If we talk good or bad about the president then that shows there is still some decent form of democracy still being exercised by it's people.... freedom of speech.

People do indeed talk, they voice their opinion and I would venture to say they will take action at the next election.


I think you misunderstood my post, I never said that people couldn't voice there opinion, I said IMO its unpatriotic to talking s*** about are commander and chief. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just plain old bashing him.

I don't think anyone should be placed on a level that makes them out of reach of being disagreed with. What does it say about us? Well, imo the president may be a political figure head representation of the USA, but it's the people who are the real face of any country. If we talk good or bad about the president then that shows there is still some decent form of democracy still being exercised by it's people.... freedom of speech.

People do indeed talk, they voice their opinion and I would venture to say they will take action at the next election.

:cheers:

I think you misunderstood my post, I never said that people couldn't voice there opinion, I said IMO its unpatriotic to talking s*** about are commander and chief. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just plain old bashing him.

Wasn't poking you with a stick - just stating that I thought about being able to talk about anyone really while not trying to say, "Hey, your wrong." Sometimes there can be a fine line between constructive or and just bashing.... of course there is always the individuals interpretation of what is and isn't bashing.


It's politics - bound to get hotter then hell sometimes.... :cheers:

Pat, since your so educated are you going to explain why you think Obamas plan is so great or are you going to just talk crap about the mythological "them"? The longer you refrain from an intellegent rebutle, the more it looks like you have nothing but regurgitated fluff to base your beliefs on. And Pat I admitted to voting for Obama, so you can't use that anti-O crap on me because I wanted him to succeed for the countrys sake. Turns out he is just another puppet, in bed with Wall Street and the Bankers. That wasn't an easy pill to swallow and it is not real fun admiting I was wrong about him but simply put "it is what it is".

Open your eyes Pat, the only one making you look "unedumakated" is yourself. Out of curiosity what flavor of Koolaid is your favorite....:lmao:.....relax...I'm just messin' with ya! But seriously if you have a valid reason to show that O is not like all the others I'd love to hear it, because you are very bold in support of Obama but fail to back up that support with facts. This isn't personal Pat, but I feel if you are going to stick your head into a political debate then please bring something tangible to the plate.

Oh...one more thing....left vs right.......dem vs rep....... is sooooooooooo 2008. They are all the same, and the sooner you realise that the sooner you will wake up and see things for what they really are and understand that we as a country have been perfectly divided by policies that don't really matter in day to day life.

Have I ever said anything about Obama, besides the fact that I voted for him?....I havent.


I am not happy with what he is doing either, nor will I say that I am savvy on everything he is doing either.


We all get our info from the same place.....

...that is unless you know someone personally who works in the white house who has access to Obama......


Come on...be real.


Me contributing to the political thread by "sticking my head out" means that I should have to know everything INSIDE AND OUT......I dont think so.


Saying all these things like "this wont work, and this wont work"....How the hell do you know unless you try it???




Ps.....Im soo in love with Grape Kool-Aid....mmmm purple stuff!!!!

Have I ever said anything about Obama, besides the fact that I voted for him?....I havent.


I am not happy with what he is doing either, nor will I say that I am savvy on everything he is doing either.


We all get our info from the same place.....

...that is unless you know someone personally who works in the white house who has access to Obama......


Come on...be real.


Me contributing to the political thread by "sticking my head out" means that I should have to know everything INSIDE AND OUT......I dont think so.


Saying all these things like "this wont work, and this wont work"....How the hell do you know unless you try it???




Ps.....Im soo in love with Grape Kool-Aid....mmmm purple stuff!!!!

Pat I am very real and I get my info from Denninger, Drudge report, Info Wars, and by doing reaserch on specific issues. I don't not trust the mainstream media that is owned by the very corporate conglomerates that own the the politicians, Obama included. There are very dedicated people out there that are trying to open the eyes of the masses but you have to be willing to go down the rabbit hole.

As far what will work and won't work, well with foriegn policy it is a crap shoot, but economics is nothing but math and laws. The math of economics is a certainty, the laws are to assure a free market system. Right now the O-team is at full steam ahead bending and breaking just about every free market law and manipulating the math as much as possible to make it look like there is progress.....green shoots! Guys like Karl Denninger, who also wished he never voted for Obama as well, are punching giant holes in the governments policies becuase Karl knows every angle of the market, finance, banking and economics. It is a lot to take in at times, but the stuff going on with the restructuring of our market systems will have long lasting affects and is much more relavent than hot button distraction issues like gay marrige, abortion, or even Sarah Palin.

Basically Pat you don't have to be a fly on the wall of the oval office to get informed, but you do have to put a lot of effort into it because there is a reason this stuff isn't on mainstream media and if it is, the MSM is days, even weeks behind on this stuff. For example, a recent story about 134 billion in U.S. bearer bonds were confiscated from two Japenese men in Italy on their way to the Swiss border. Karl Denninger using sources from outside the U.S. was following the story and the potential impact on the treasury markets for a full week and a half before our government aknowledged the incedent publicly. A couple days later Karl was invited on CNBC to talk about the issue and although Karl sees them as market pumpers he agreed only to get pre-empted by Turbo Tax Timmy Giethner. Two weeks after the incedent our gov declared the bonds forgeries and the MSM never really aknowledged the implications or questioned why two Japenese men with 134 billion in supposed forged bonds were released almost immediately. All this info was found without the help of the MSM, proving that it can be done.

For anyone curious about the mystery bonds here is a link. For perspective the amount of bonds these guys were holding would make them the 4th largest holder of U.S. debt.
http://market-ticker.org/archives/1142-The-Bond-Saga-It-Gets-More-Odd.html

Wasn't poking you with a stick - just stating that I thought about being able to talk about anyone really while not trying to say, "Hey, your wrong." Sometimes there can be a fine line between constructive or and just bashing.... of course there is always the individuals interpretation of what is and isn't bashing.


It's politics - bound to get hotter then hell sometimes.... :cheers:


That I can agree with.:cheers: